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Title: Dagger party
Post by: Morel on June 05, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Morela noob.

I am looking for suggestion about exping with dagger party, 78+ lvl.

Lets say setup is :
Berk/Slh or Berk/Trick
Dagger/tank
Dagger/tank
+ supports

Is it possible to farm with this party on HB ? Do anything before HB, like iop/fog/IT/MOS ?
Or there is need to replace one dagger with tyr or glad ?

And what about epics (Valakas/Anth/Tezza)? This party will be amazing on pvp before epic rbs, but what to do after you get in ?
There will be basically only one DD (if you get that tyr/de) - not to mention, that I am not sure if this orc will stay alive  5 secs when celestials are gone.

Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Seboulba1988 on June 05, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
u can add 1 th/warlord i think :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YmbaU1Udg   <3 ofc not the same Chronicle but dagger still pownz
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Peorexo on June 05, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Morel on June 05, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Morela noob.

I am looking for suggestion about exping with dagger party, 78+ lvl.

Lets say setup is :
Berk/Slh or Berk/Trick
Dagger/tank
Dagger/tank
+ supports

Is it possible to farm with this party on HB ? Do anything before HB, like iop/fog/IT/MOS ?
Or there is need to replace one dagger with tyr or glad ?

And what about epics (Valakas/Anth/Tezza)? This party will be amazing on pvp before epic rbs, but what to do after you get in ?
There will be basically only one DD (if you get that tyr/de) - not to mention, that I am not sure if this orc will stay alive  5 secs when celestials are gone.
upper mos is ur best bet, on epics u are as useless as it gets, unless ofc everyone has long shot and bow.
Well instead of tanks you can get one WL or Glad or Des, for aoe, together with berks it should work nice (post 79 it is easy)
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 05, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
freak daggers, lets make glads party!
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: Morel on June 05, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Morela noob.

I am looking for suggestion about exping with dagger party, 78+ lvl.

Lets say setup is :
Berk/Slh or Berk/Trick
Dagger/tank
Dagger/tank
+ supports

Is it possible to farm with this party on HB ? Do anything before HB, like iop/fog/IT/MOS ?
Or there is need to replace one dagger with tyr or glad ?

And what about epics (Valakas/Anth/Tezza)? This party will be amazing on pvp before epic rbs, but what to do after you get in ?
There will be basically only one DD (if you get that tyr/de) - not to mention, that I am not sure if this orc will stay alive  5 secs when celestials are gone.

Hmm on GF top melee cp is:
Zerk
Slh
Trick
TH
+
Supports

You have tons of variations of this in substack.

Trick/slh
Zerk/trick
Dagger/xx

Variation comes on the other slots.

You can play 1bp/pal with Boxed Cat Buff. Which opens a slot for another DDer allowing you to play a more agressive comp. Tbh it really depends on your SLH/trick playstyle. He can play 24/7 as mage for Steal divinity, or as archer and steal only fighters. If he plays mage style in PvP get another DDer 100%, if not it's up to you to decide what you need.
Bards kinda have to go Oracle sub if u play this 1bp 4 dder comp.

So basicly:
ol wc
bp pal
ee es
sws ee
bd se
DD/xx
dagger/tank?
zerk trick
Trick slh

There's alot of variations...

Double bp. 2pt ud 2 prannah(at least)
wc ol
bp pal
Bp wk
ee es
bd xx
sws xx
Dagger tank
kamael
kamael

There's also double/triple cancel comp.
Use your imagination ^^.

I personally dont like Zerk/Slh but there's ppl that do.

You 100% need a pala in party, Flame icon is awesome.

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Pagans Higher levels. Respawns are super fast, full of mobs and groups. I dont understand why both HR no1 was there... MoS aswell. Enchant quests ftw :)
If retail partys can farm in HB you can aswell. RT on -pdef enchanted + VT or Hex will make your like ez.

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As for epic Bosses, use Bows on Dragons. Most if not all epics on DN have weakness to bows...
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Picksy on June 05, 2017, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 07:06:58 PM
BLABLABLA
Didn't read  8) 8)
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: Picksy on June 05, 2017, 08:03:37 PM
Didn't read  8) 8)

Go play necro, cunt.
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Spicy on June 05, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 07:06:58 PM
Hmm on GF top melee cp is:
Zerk
Slh
Trick
TH
+
Supports

You have tons of variations of this in substack.

Trick/slh
Zerk/trick
Dagger/xx

Variation comes on the other slots.

You can play 1bp/pal with Boxed Cat Buff. Which opens a slot for another DDer allowing you to play a more agressive comp. Tbh it really depends on your SLH/trick playstyle. He can play 24/7 as mage for Steal divinity, or as archer and steal only fighters. If he plays mage style in PvP get another DDer 100%, if not it's up to you to decide what you need.
Bards kinda have to go Oracle sub if u play this 1bp 4 dder comp.

So basicly:
ol wc
bp pal
ee es
sws ee
bd se
DD/xx
dagger/tank?
zerk trick
Trick slh

There's alot of variations...

Double bp. 2pt ud 2 prannah(at least)
wc ol
bp pal
Bp wk
ee es
bd xx
sws xx
Dagger tank
kamael
kamael

There's also double/triple cancel comp.
Use your imagination ^^.

I personally dont like Zerk/Slh but there's ppl that do.

You 100% need a pala in party, Flame icon is awesome.

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Pagans Higher levels. Respawns are super fast, full of mobs and groups. I dont understand why both HR no1 was there... MoS aswell. Enchant quests ftw :)
If retail partys can farm in HB you can aswell. RT on -pdef enchanted + VT or Hex will make your like ez.

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As for epic Bosses, use Bows on Dragons. Most if not all epics on DN have weakness to bows...
Do u think pw/sws might be usefull? or it is waste when u can just go pw/tk
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Spicy on June 05, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Do u think pw/sws might be usefull? or it is waste when u can just go pw/tk

Last server Ak47 did really well with this character in oly. Outside its okish for ganking in small groups + PvE. 9v9 not the best option. It can work tho if party investes in only 2 dders slots and strong burners or in aoe cancel.

I don't want to focus 2 much on compositions cuz not everyone is gonna play in CPs(i won't myself). Anything that is xx/support is usefull in it's way. It's better to have a support/dder then not having the support in party whatsoever.

Like my friend Admiral says: "Everything is strong in the right hands" :)
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Spicy on June 05, 2017, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: Clonage on June 05, 2017, 08:38:45 PM
Last server Ak47 did really well with this character in oly. Outside its okish for ganking in small groups + PvE. 9v9 not the best option. It can work tho if party investes in only 2 dders slots and strong burners or in aoe cancel.

I don't want to focus 2 much on compositions cuz not everyone is gonna play in CPs(i won't myself). Anything that is xx/support is usefull in it's way. It's better to have a support/dder then not having the support in party whatsoever.

Like my friend Admiral says: "Everything is strong in the right hands" :)
Yea thats true but having no sof and all uds kinda hurts
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Jardiro on June 05, 2017, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: Morel on June 05, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
dagger party
trying to entice some players?
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: mruwqa on June 06, 2017, 02:22:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqxHWtujWc


how about you screw what is supposted to be played and play what u want to play instead? all of u :)

se/sk for mele pt is cool too :)

ontop, well -9con dagger is pve monster    :)    but u gotta switch those one day for pvp :D 
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Morel on June 06, 2017, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: Spicy on June 05, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Do u think pw/sws might be usefull? or it is waste when u can just go pw/tk

I am not sure if this pw/sws will have enough mana pool to give all songs :o
I was thinking rather about replacing se/bd with aw/bd.

So like :
OL/WC
BP/PAL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/EE
BD/AW

ZERK/TRICK
GLAD/PAL
DAGGER/TANK

which gives 5 chars that can win on oly
berk for cc
glad for aoe exp (xddddddd)
2x dagger for burst dmg


Quote from: Jardiro on June 05, 2017, 10:48:34 PM
trying to entice some players?

Kiedys slyszalem "Trzeba agresywnie, poprostu sie wpierdalac - na flaszach, na wszystkim, na debuffach"
Może fleszów nie ma, ale i tak bedzie zajebiscie ;D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Eddienko on June 06, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
So like :
OL/WC
BP/PAL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/EE
BD/AW

ZERK/TRICK
GLAD/PAL
DAGGER/TANK


and u wanna call this setup DAGGER PT ? :D




Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Seboulba1988 on June 06, 2017, 06:51:46 PM
i wanna try aw/se :D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Peorexo on June 06, 2017, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: Morel on June 06, 2017, 06:18:06 PM
I am not sure if this pw/sws will have enough mana pool to give all songs :o
I was thinking rather about replacing se/bd with aw/bd.

So like :
OL/WC
BP/PAL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/EE
BD/AW

ZERK/TRICK
GLAD/PAL
DAGGER/TANK

which gives 5 chars that can win on oly
berk for cc
glad for aoe exp (xddddddd)
2x dagger for burst dmg


Kiedys slyszalem "Trzeba agresywnie, poprostu sie wpierdalac - na flaszach, na wszystkim, na debuffach"
Może fleszów nie ma, ale i tak bedzie zajebiscie ;D
pierdol glad/pala zrob glad/he od saggi bedzie reuse na skillach glada to celka co 50s + 2 dashe, i uzyteczny na close + range
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Morel on June 06, 2017, 06:18:06 PM
I am not sure if this pw/sws will have enough mana pool to give all songs :o
I was thinking rather about replacing se/bd with aw/bd.

So like :
OL/WC
BP/PAL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/EE
BD/AW

ZERK/TRICK
GLAD/PAL
DAGGER/TANK

which gives 5 chars that can win on oly
berk for cc
glad for aoe exp (xddddddd)
2x dagger for burst dmg


Kiedys slyszalem "Trzeba agresywnie, poprostu sie wpierdalac - na flaszach, na wszystkim, na debuffach"
Może fleszów nie ma, ale i tak bedzie zajebiscie ;D
szukasz kolegow do party? mysle ze zdazymy pograc zanim wstanie Bless :D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 07:45:08 PM
szukasz kolegow do party? mysle ze zdazymy pograc zanim wstanie Bless :D
jak Bless juz nie wstanie XDXD
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 09:00:26 PM
jak Bless juz nie wstanie XDXD
sam nie wstaniesz jak backstaba na leb dostaniesz
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
sam nie wstaniesz jak backstaba na leb dostaniesz
idz tam graj w lola gimbie  :-*
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 09:53:41 PM
idz tam graj w lola gimbie  :-*
jak ja pro player w csgo

Morel, moge supportowac w twoim party, ale najlepiej zebys mnie z tego wyreczyl
Quote from: Eddienko on June 06, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
and u wanna call this setup DAGGER PT ? :D
yes i also think its bad parti
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: 5431 on June 06, 2017, 11:35:11 PM
having supports like 2x bp, es/ee bd/se sws/ee doesn't rly matter what dd you take, it will work, specially if your dd gonna be aw/sk 2x and trick/zerk, sadly this pt will be useless on bosses
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jardiro on June 06, 2017, 11:27:59 PM
jak ja pro player w csgo

Morel, moge supportowac w twoim party, ale najlepiej zebys mnie z tego wyreczylyes i also think its bad parti
i tak wiadomo kto bedzie bishopem ..... o ile bedzie ekipa ;p
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Seboulba1988 on June 07, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: 5431 on June 06, 2017, 11:35:11 PM
having supports like 2x bp, es/ee bd/se sws/ee doesn't rly matter what dd you take, it will work, specially if your dd gonna be aw/sk 2x and trick/zerk, sadly this pt will be useless on bosses
not so useless bro, while the main DD got the aggro, the dagger pt can make a nice damage from the back
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 04:53:50 PM
Quote from: Seboulba1988 on June 07, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
not so useless bro, while the main DD got the aggro, the dagger pt can make a nice damage from the back
having aggro doesnt mean ur opponent will expose his back to the rest, you can sidestep u know it ?
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: 5431 on June 07, 2017, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: Seboulba1988 on June 07, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
not so useless bro, while the main DD got the aggro, the dagger pt can make a nice damage from the back
normal bosses can be killed by any single dd, problem appearing when you go to antharas, valakas, even tezza and you want to kill them with one pt
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Morel on June 07, 2017, 05:23:40 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 06, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
i tak wiadomo kto bedzie bishopem ..... o ile bedzie ekipa ;p

I will play bp/pal !
Tactic will be like this : AI and Party AI 24/7. I wont even bother with healing, just resing people if someone dies xd
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 04:53:50 PM
having aggro doesnt mean ur opponent will expose his back to the rest, you can sidestep u know it ?
i believe he is talking about epics not about pvp
when it comes to valdy/anthy with melee pt, just get bows and press f1, its still better than standing and doing nothing (epics have weakness to bows, so together with trick/berk's real target even melee pt can deal nice dmg)

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Juz wole grac pierdyliardsetny raz biszkoptem niz ci go oddac Morelka :D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
i believe he is talking about epics not about pvp
when it comes to valdy/anthy with melee pt, just get bows and press f1, its still better than standing and doing nothing (epics have weakness to bows, so together with trick/berk's real target even melee pt can deal nice dmg)

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Juz wole grac pierdyliardsetny raz biszkoptem niz ci go oddac Morelka :D
no z tym RT to pojechales =) smoki aka valdy/anty maja 100% debuff immunity :D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 05:43:20 PM
no z tym RT to pojechales =) smoki aka valdy/anty maja 100% debuff immunity :D
jak rt wchodzil, chyba, moze cos mi sie pojebalo :d
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 06:01:35 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
jak rt wchodzil, chyba, moze cos mi sie pojebalo :d
ale jasne ze resisted ci nie wyskoczy, ale debuff i tak nie wchodzi :D
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Jardiro on June 07, 2017, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
jak rt wchodzil, chyba, moze cos mi sie pojebalo :d
dobra nie kompromituj sie
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Vexim on June 07, 2017, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on June 07, 2017, 06:01:35 PM
ale jasne ze resisted ci nie wyskoczy, ale debuff i tak nie wchodzi :D
wchodzi->siedzi->dziala albo wchodzi->nie siedzi-> nie dziala => wchodzi != dziala xD
cos mi sie kojarzy ze rt jako jedyny wlasnie dzialal, ale moze mi sie pojebalo, jak czlowiek siedzi caly czas na supporcie  :'( to nie zwraca uwagi na takie szczegoly

Jardiro: nauczony na sprawdzian z przyry? ^^
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: mruwqa on June 08, 2017, 01:34:23 AM
mage or archer pt cannot do epic as 1pt as well don't see where is the problem,  about agro its almost impossible to aggro bosses here, but I was dealing +- destro dmg from back as  aw/sk so I guess it's fine, its fkin stacksub, L2 is designed for nonstacksubs, stop making this game so hard :)
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: zuul on June 08, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: mruwqa on June 08, 2017, 01:34:23 AM
mage or archer pt can do epic as 1pt as well don't see where is the problem,  about agro its almost impossible to aggro bosses here, but I was dealing +- destro dmg from back as  aw/sk so I guess it's fine, its fkin stacksub, L2 is designed for nonstacksubs, stop making this game so hard :)

Now is correct.
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: 5431 on June 08, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: zuul on June 08, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
Now is correct.
also this agro is wrong, should be corrected
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: mruwqa on June 08, 2017, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: 5431 on June 08, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
also this agro is wrong, should be corrected
pvp wise agro works fine, i dont care about pve agro on fkin stacksub x500server
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Spicy on June 08, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: Seboulba1988 on June 07, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
not so useless bro, while the main DD got the aggro, the dagger pt can make a nice damage from the back
lul
Title: Re: Dagger party
Post by: Morel on June 17, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
PUT ME ON THE FRONT LINE

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