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Started by Clonage, December 14, 2016, 06:07:35 AM

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Clonage

Since i saw some crying about archers being bad and mages OP here's my personal Tier list on Characters for Archer Party....
Some compositions, tips and suggestions.

PS: This is only my point of view. I'm no pro. I dont even play archer lel.
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Archers:

S Tier
-Trick/Zerker
-HE/GLAD

A Tier
-Trick/SLH
-HE/WL
-SR/TK

B Tier
-PR/SK

C Tier
-HE/PAL(weak character. Only do one if you really need a Pala for Flame icon. If you dont care about flame icon then dont even do it.)

Garbage Tier
Archer/summoner(nothing good here for you or for party. Most likely you will have BP/WK in party. No significant increase in damage or any help at all for party).

Supports:

S Tier
-WC/OL
-BP/WK
-BP/Pal(24/7 flame icon)
-BD/SE
-SWS/SR
-EE/ES

A Tier
-SWS/EE
-SE/PS

B Tier
-SE/SK

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Example of Compositions(don't take them all seriously):


Comp#1:

WC/OL
BP/PAL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/SR
BD/SE
HE/Glad
Arba DB
Arba Slh

Balanced and flexible comp. 1 min pranah + 15sec SOF, 2x sublime self sacrifice(30 seconds party celestial), high mana burn and heal, high atk speed and burst.


Comp#2:
WC/OL
BP/WK
EE/ES
SWS/EE
BD/SE
HE/Glad
Trick DB
Trick SLH
SR/TK

Compared with comp#1 Less heal, higher mana pool, Same number of dders but 1 of them is more solid. No Flame icon :(.

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Tips:
Proc Silver ranger Counter rapid Shot before PvP. Haste Certificate proc aswell if u can. Use Fists weapon it helps(by using fists u can also proc fighters Will and it also gives atk speed with bow).
DONT ZERK VS MAGES. It's not worth to loose 16% Mdef just to gain 8% P atk... Use P atk pot instead.
Get Protection of Rune + Elemental ASAP.
Get S grade Armor ASAP to put stones. You will mostly get always breakpointed with 150 weapons +20 base element from skill + element type enchant + Elemental Seed(20 element). Which means you get damaged by an aditional 70%.
Still getting nuked hard? M def pot.
What about now? Really....... Use Prophet buff elemental protection. Song of elemental protection aswell...
There's Elemental pots in rune and aden, they are fvcking good.
Enchant Real Target from Trickster ASAP. Each +1 on -pdef or -mdef is 1%(At skill +30 its -30%).
Violent temper helps. Hex also but they do not stack. -23%pdef
Flame icon works with bows.(Atleast attack speed, not sure about crit dmg)
If you are solo player do not play archer or at least go for trickster.
Archers are bad in skirmishes unless there's a trickster. Archers shine mostly in Party with proper setup and support.

Still think archers are bad?
Here's a screenshot from my sr/sws with bow during beta(look at attack speed):

Not even maxed out on Atk speed, these numbers can go higher. There's alot of atk speed multipliers... Use your heads a bit please :D

Have a good one!

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Clonage

Quote from: Blizzer on December 14, 2016, 07:49:27 AM
Making it short: I'm not playing archer but here are some tips so you guys keep playing them so I can have someone to 2-shot with my mage :)
Sure i can clearly 2 shot engame archers with 4k+CP, 10k+ HP, properly buffed, with more then 1:30sec with high mdef + invincibility.







































Kappa.


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Quote from: Clonage on December 14, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
Sure i can clearly 2 shot engame archers with 4k+CP, 10k+ HP, properly buffed, with more then 1:30sec with high mdef + invincibility.







































Kappa.
Thank you a milion for this post man.
And please dont waste time on replying to forum ninjas that always know the best in theory.
Ill keep this section clean.

Thank you once again for a wonderful post and time spent on this matter.
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+GekKey+

I like the 1st combination, but i think I would prefer trading the he/glad for pr/bd and the bd/se for another ee/es

Clonage

1st comp is probably the best comp for archers atm.

HE/Glad hits like a truck with Duelist spirit enchanted on PvP power.

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+GekKey+

I am not denying this fact, but i find ee better than se since they have a mire effective heal thus why i would be willing to sacrifice a bit of damage

Peorexo

Quote from: +GekKey+ on December 14, 2016, 08:10:09 PM
I am not denying this fact, but i find ee better than se since they have a mire effective heal thus why i would be willing to sacrifice a bit of damage
ee is not a healer

+GekKey+

I never said that, i said its heal is more effective than an se and thys why i prefered switching the se for an ee

Peorexo

Quote from: +GekKey+ on December 14, 2016, 08:27:46 PM
I never said that, i said its heal is more effective than an se and thys why i prefered switching the se for an ee
excluding eva, there is no reason to get 2nd ee, when u can get block shield and hex and root

+GekKey+

Have violent temper which is like hex. I do miss block shield but the range is bad compared to bows.

Peorexo

Quote from: +GekKey+ on December 14, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
Have violent temper which is like hex. I do miss block shield but the range is bad compared to bows.
Temper is low range as well + it takes time which could be used to dealing damage, its effect is superior to hex but it takes time which could be spent better. It might be not much for some, but overall even this kind of efficiency matters in high level 9v9's.

It is not like i am saying EE is bad or SE is ultra op must-have, but this is simply a trade-off damage for survivability.

Picksy

as a fighter pt, you should always have an SE imo.
Its way to valuable for fighters to actually get replaced by any other class