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Started by our4n0s, June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM

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our4n0s

Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude,  but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
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Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude,  but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !

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I agree, nerf erase plox ^^
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Quote from: our4n0s on June 04, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
Am I the only one thinking erase needs a nerf ?
It already needed a bigger one (bigger nerf) at Interlude,  but instead of increasing its reuse, HB decreased it.
Atm the only uses of being summoner are Arcane Agility, cubics (yet it's most likely a very small +).
Its land rate is 70%, its reuse on the selfbuff of the es ee i play for instance is 2 sec.
Not mentioning other classes like DA that doesn't stand a chance to pal when ppl re doing a char, since the panther ill be erased in a few secs and 'summon panther' skill ll be ready for reuse after something like 1 min.
+ sumoning a pet is arround 140 mp and erase s arround 58 mp.
necros are freaked too but since they have other advantages i would say they is still some point being ne.
The pets are 2-3 shots on full buffs anyway.. add erase and you quickly get the point that being a summoner at pvps is absolutly silly for anything else than Agility and pet's buff.
Ah, yes, they have some use in l2 market too since they create sumoning scrolls... sure !
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS
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Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%
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Quote from: NIORI on June 04, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%


lol damn failed!!!  10%? 
i ll tell u my experience as necro at oly is smth like 70%++ sucess rate


...maybe i am unlucky  :P


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cristianvernal

Quote from: NIORI on June 04, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Well i am the only one who thinks that erase is f uked up, it never works for me to be honestly it works like 10%

u r the only one that feels that way....erase is sick....mby increase in delay of attack augments too.... some annoying chars makes olympiads useless for normal ppl....

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olyfarmers dont like erase) lol u rox guys)
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our4n0s

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Quote from: TrackZero on June 04, 2009, 03:45:17 PM
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS
Well imo if reuse is nerfed, this may solve olympiad's sumoners problems, may add some sps/es, sorc/wk etc that are atm absolutly away from olympiad ( because there you have time to resumon, it would be worth it) they wouldn't turn into farmers ofc, far from it, but they would fight with their sub.
Now, in PvP, once your pet is erased, you've got no time to summon another one (at least in most of full buffed pvps sumon pet = 3 sec = 2 mcrit = to village)  for mages, and for fighters subed sumoners (or mere DA), once your pet is erased in pvp you don't even dare to think about sumoning another one xD.
The point is, with this 70% sucess rate, 1 erase is often enough to completely kick the subclass of, at least, wariors/sumoners.
Therefore, i would suggest a land rate nerf as well as a reuse nerf
(something like 40 -50 % land rate but not 60 - 70 %)
Quote from: Chaplin on June 04, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
olyfarmers dont like erase) lol u rox guys)
Oly isn't the point.


This wouldn't matter to me btw, since in oly, as outside oly, you need mana to erase right? aye, therefore i don't care about this nerf concerning layme.
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shehan

Quote from: TrackZero on June 04, 2009, 03:45:17 PM
Maybe , but reuse will be also nerfed..since atm is BS

Mana burn too....

kidicarus

Agree.... summons are weak enough as it is, and erase land rate is to high.

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kuko

I can agree with nerfing erase if u do the same with augm.
Welcome to the other side when someone pown u coz of insane overpowerd skills.
anyway there are much more skills to be nerfed not just erase.

p.s. I still hate u and still hope someone will remove ur augm. :D