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Started by Tagada, March 09, 2012, 10:36:01 PM

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Quote from: our4n0s on March 10, 2012, 01:36:54 AM
It s pretty easy to find out wether sps/ee needs a boost or not.
If the legendary Nitopami still is playing his almighty piece of garbage, then sps/ee is perfectly fine

And the case is closed.  ;D

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Quote from: Tagada on March 09, 2012, 10:36:01 PM
crying time
so I cry too for boost SPS/EE because now really few people play this char.

please check if u can do something  ;D

Your last words were the essence " plese check if u can do something" I can throw back this words. So man, check if u can do something!
First of all:
1.  good oe weapon,
2. 540 attribut is a must, without it u can only kill your brain, but not enemy.
3. wild magic passive augument is welcome
4. oe arcana power - enchanted +15 gives 33% to m atak (+8% additional)
5. +30 hydro to power is welcome, dont tell me its expensive, farm fortress, and for sure u will get enough gcm
6. Vesper robe +3 is ok, but u need all parts 240 (ofc diffrent attribute each - sorry I suspect u have rather low knowledge about l2)
 * dnet robe +6 is cheaper, even +8 u can buy cheaper 240 attribut, and it gives more p def, and more HP points
7. If u play mass pvp, choose target wise, no need to broke fingers all the time attacking tanks....lol. Try to remember what ppl u hit strong.
8.  If u play 1 vs 1, mostly u lose cause \;
  a) lacking of expiriance fighting with specific class.
  b) lacking attribute vallue in set or not full water 540 in your weapon
  c) not proper buff
  d) not useing  Enlightement....

and now some sketched an approximate maths betwen sps and sh:

dyes +4 int, +4 wit both chars, lets say  the Highest is 100%
dark elf:   48 int /  23  vit / +4 int  gives +29% m atak to basic +4 vit  =>+21%
elf:           41 int /  28  vit / +4 int gives +21% m atak  to basic +4 vit  =>+25%
human:   45 int /  24  vit / +4 int gives +25% m atak to basic  +4 vit  =>+22%

elf cast speed = 100%         elf m atak =  53%
dark elf cast speed = 73%   de m atak = 100% (+25% empowering echo)
human cast speed = 84%   hu m atak = 78,5%

for me it looks like everything is perfectly balanced, even if balance is in this way +1% cast speed for sps = +2% m atak for sh. Practise shows that its still more advantage for sps. That's why NCsoft have implemented empowering echo for SH which gives +25% m atak and consume  35% more mana. But still SH is not so good as sps at oly. At any pvp i think there is some kind of balance betwen mages.
Focus about everyting what can make your char stronger, if u make everything that is possible, than consider to swear about something....but than u wont have any reason

P.S. I'm playing sps/ee since C4, and i'm really happy about my char.






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Quote from: G4T on March 10, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
Your last words were the essence " plese check if u can do something" I can throw back this words. So man, check if u can do something!
First of all:
1.  good oe weapon,
2. 540 attribut is a must, without it u can only kill your brain, but not enemy.
3. wild magic passive augument is welcome
4. oe arcana power - enchanted +15 gives 33% to m atak (+8% additional)
5. +30 hydro to power is welcome, dont tell me its expensive, farm fortress, and for sure u will get enough gcm
6. Vesper robe +3 is ok, but u need all parts 240 (ofc diffrent attribute each - sorry I suspect u have rather low knowledge about l2)
 * dnet robe +6 is cheaper, even +8 u can buy cheaper 240 attribut, and it gives more p def, and more HP points
7. If u play mass pvp, choose target wise, no need to broke fingers all the time attacking tanks....lol. Try to remember what ppl u hit strong.
8.  If u play 1 vs 1, mostly u lose cause \;
  a) lacking of expiriance fighting with specific class.
  b) lacking attribute vallue in set or not full water 540 in your weapon
  c) not proper buff
  d) not useing  Enlightement....

and now some sketched an approximate maths betwen sps and sh:

dyes +4 int, +4 wit both chars, lets say  the Highest is 100%
dark elf:   48 int /  23  vit / +4 int  gives +29% m atak to basic +4 vit  =>+21%
elf:           41 int /  28  vit / +4 int gives +21% m atak  to basic +4 vit  =>+25%
human:   45 int /  24  vit / +4 int gives +25% m atak to basic  +4 vit  =>+22%

elf cast speed = 100%         elf m atak =  53%
dark elf cast speed = 73%   de m atak = 100% (+25% empowering echo)
human cast speed = 84%   hu m atak = 78,5%

for me it looks like everything is perfectly balanced, even if balance is in this way +1% cast speed for sps = +2% m atak for sh. Practise shows that its still more advantage for sps. That's why NCsoft have implemented empowering echo for SH which gives +25% m atak and consume  35% more mana. But still SH is not so good as sps at oly. At any pvp i think there is some kind of balance betwen mages.
Focus about everyting what can make your char stronger, if u make everything that is possible, than consider to swear about something....but than u wont have any reason

P.S. I'm playing sps/ee since C4, and i'm really happy about my char.
1. +3 540atr u can make good dmg
3. on full buff u have max crit rate even w/o valakas (huge wit)
4. arcana power +0 have 30% bonus and +15 give u 35%
5. Here it depends if u make for water atr ur atr power will increase if someone would resist u but power increase dmg anyway huge enchant will mean u will rarely fail u hits. So u need to ask urself if ur enemies will have good water resistance or not :)
Other are fines

G4T

Quote from: Peorexo on March 10, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
1. +3 540atr u can make good dmg
3. on full buff u have max crit rate even w/o valakas (huge wit)
4. arcana power +0 have 30% bonus and +15 give u 35%
5. Here it depends if u make for water atr ur atr power will increase if someone would resist u but power increase dmg anyway huge enchant will mean u will rarely fail u hits. So u need to ask urself if ur enemies will have good water resistance or not :)
Other are fines

1. I don't know person who will pick +3 540 if there is possiblity to pick oe +540
3. at many situation we dont have full buff - This augu is nice for oly.  Supposition that huge vit gives hughe magic crit rate is a crap, Basic is how much? When I was checking it at C4, diffrence betwen basic sps crit magic and sh magic crit dmg was less than 1%
 buffs making m crit rate high, they were cumulative wm 300%, siren 200%, pow  100%.  till servers limit
4, you are right I was doing it from my memory, at C4 arcana power was 25%. Now its +30% (at least so is wriiten), but they count this wrong
I have log in now, buffles I have 2441 m atak, after turning on arcana power i have 3261 -> it's not +35%
2441 +35% from 2441 =  ~854.35  so we should have 2441+854= 3295
but I have with arcana power 3261 which is excatly +33,6% from 2441
same with not enchanted arcana power it gives excatly 27,3%
take pencil + paper, and check this out. Wtf we are fighting for few %? Problem is that this guy can't play his char.
5. was lazy to check what enchant will be better for me, I only checked that the best sps's use power, not attribute enchant. I think I dont want to go so far with my calculatings.
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Peorexo

Quote from: G4T on March 10, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
1. I don't know person who will pick +3 540 if there is possiblity to pick oe +540
3. at many situation we dont have full buff - This augu is nice for oly.  Supposition that huge vit gives hughe magic crit rate is a crap, Basic is how much? When I was checking it at C4, diffrence betwen basic sps crit magic and sh magic crit dmg was less than 1%
  buffs making m crit rate high, they were cumulative wm 300%, siren 200%, pow  100%.  till servers limit
4, you are right I was doing it from my memory, at C4 arcana power was 25%. Now its +30, but +15 but they count this wrong
I have log in now, buffles I have 2441 m atak, after turning on arcana power i have 3261 -> it's not +35%
2441 +35% from 2441 =  ~854.35  so we should have 2441+854= 3295
but I have with arcana power 3261 which is excatly +33,6% from 2441
same with not enchanted arcana power it gives excatly 27,3%
take pencil + paper, and check this out. Wtf we are fighting for few %? Problem is that this guy can't play his char.
5. was lazy to check what enchant will be better for me, I only checked that the best sps's use power, not attribute enchant. I think I dont want to go so far with my calculatings.
about arcana power u need count that too certs/ passives often dont stack with buffs they are give + bonus but not affected by buffs, and from that u see lower % of increased power

G4T

Quote from: Peorexo on March 10, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
about arcana power u need count that too certs/ passives often dont stack with buffs they are give + bonus but not affected by buffs, and from that u see lower % of increased power

I was checking at clanless, buffless SH without any certificate I even take off set from him and dyes +int
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Kev1

nice knowledge gz , u know what we say about knowledge ?
Knowledge is like jam less we have , more we spread  ::)
it s sarcasm post about sr boost nothing more
like my lil joke sarcasm nothing more
enjoy french spirit  ;D
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Quote from: Kev1 on March 11, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
nice knowledge gz , u know what we say about knowledge ?
Knowledge is like jam less we have , more we spread  ::)
it s sarcasm post about sr boost nothing more
like my lil joke sarcasm nothing more
enjoy french spirit  ;D

You are curiuos = you are learning ^^
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NiToPaMi

Quote from: our4n0s on March 10, 2012, 01:36:54 AM
It s pretty easy to find out wether sps/ee needs a boost or not.
If the legendary Nitopami still is playing his almighty piece of garbage, then sps/ee is perfectly fine
Altheo Legend ..Im not play sps/ee any more coz is sux..

NiToPaMi-sps/ee nobless

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Quote from: NiToPaMi on March 14, 2012, 11:49:47 AM
Altheo Legend ..Im not play sps/ee any more coz is sux..

You wanted to say, that at last is balanced? I remember When was pvp 30 vs 30 at C4, I did 27 pvp xD - ppl were 2-3 shots without m crit(hw bug). At interlude I remember when Kikos was holding as the only one nuker (sps/ee), band of 100 enemy, trying pass through him near golky toi, he had only ee/sws and se/bd on his back ( wild magic augu). Now at last its ok.
What char you are playing now?
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2sexy

Quote from: NiToPaMi on March 14, 2012, 11:49:47 AM
Altheo Legend ..Im not play sps/ee any more coz is sux..
are rumors about you trading gear/char with a guy from arena true?
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