Tank "nerfs"

[=drake=]

We have done more tests on our side.
See changelog for upcoming changes in Deflect Arrow.

[BRANDEN]

We have done more tests on our side.
See changelog for upcoming changes in Deflect Arrow.

honestly i don't see why the need for mp consumption on the toggle, the mp consumption not so big to hinder a tank during pvp but it keeps us from keeping it on at all time during farming..etc like holy armor/weapon.
the mp consumption is just there to annoy us with no real reason, i understand nerfing the effect to balance but why it drain mana too???!!!

[=drake=]

the mp consumption is just there to annoy us with no real reason, i understand nerfing the effect to balance but why it drain mana too???!!!

Because they cant cancel it out from you.

[BRANDEN]

but archers doesn't have cancel...unless its archer/nuker which would be weird.
and before you made it a toggle even if it were to get canceled it could be insta casted again, so i still don't see a good reason for it.

[Chicks]

honestly i don't see why the need for mp consumption on the toggle, the mp consumption not so big to hinder a tank during pvp but it keeps us from keeping it on at all time during farming..etc like holy armor/weapon.
the mp consumption is just there to annoy us with no real reason, i understand nerfing the effect to balance but why it drain mana too???!!!

Depending on your class it IS a big issue. My tk is mana hungry in pvp with aggression spamming + guard stance + shield forteresse (and in some cases some 3rd class toggles too, fortitude if I recall the name.) Combined with deflect arrow it's just not worth using it. The gain I get from all other spells for even a short duration (30 sec for exemple) greatly overcome the gain I would get from keeping deflect arrow up, simply because deflect arrow is specific to archers while guard stance/shield fort is useful against all figthers, archers included.

I guess we'll wait for the actual mana consumption of the change, as the rule is not listed (or I missed it) before criticizing too much, but on paper it's ok. It does help tank/daggers or tank/duals, but still does nothing to full tank setup (not that I expect much love in that aspect, but just saying).

[=drake=]

I guess we'll wait for the actual mana consumption of the change, as the rule is not listed (or I missed it) before criticizing too much, but on paper it's ok. It does help tank/daggers or tank/duals, but still does nothing to full tank setup (not that I expect much love in that aspect, but just saying).

But for your point of view what is the pure tank setup beside an unsubclassed tank?

[Chicks]

But for your point of view what is the pure tank setup beside an unsubclassed tank?

a tank using, MAINLY BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, a blunt/sword as main weapon. Switching to bow/pole when needed (pvp mainly, pole can be used to farm faster too). Tank/glad, tank/WL, tank/summoner, tank/healer (as figther with Acu wep, seen it before), tk/sws (I guess SK/BD could work too but it's not optimal. At all) and lastly, DA/PAL. This is the general vision I have of a pure tank.

For my previous post, regarding having all toggles on, read it as : a tank oriented in defensive capabilities, not offensive, for mass pvp (siege mainly)/RB.