I believe that the itention of all these is to balance the clases which is a really good idea, but on this particular case there has been a huge mistake.
Have you consider people using anti archer song?
have you consider people using shield with buffs that greatly reduces damage to arrows and other attacks?
Have you consider people using anti archer DANCE that literaly makes an archer useless?
In numbers, yes, pph+he may have higher p atk, but in REAL WORLD SCENARIO, having DNET Heavy Set, Dyes STR+4, P Atk Pot, Icarus Bow +8 Lvl 9 as Attribute, Tattoo of Ogre lvl 4, Quen Cat Buff and ofc dances and COV. having 10k p atk, baium, aq etc
The real damage to a player using ati archer song and bless shield defense goes to: 2,000 "dealing this damage to a mage SPS/EE"
In other hand, the same mage dealing 1k normal damage with 400!!!! WATER ATTRIBUTE DEFENSE AND 1.7K M DEF, so yes, thanks for trying to balance the clases but now archers are pathetic.
I just wonder why GM staff cant do these test on their own, create these characters and have them checked in a pvp for testing, that is the easiest and fastest and more accurate way of knowingif what you did is correct instead of listening to those people giving you the wrong information for their own good, anyway Thanks for reading and thanks for balancing as well.
Some mage kicked ur azz while u're farming?
He got resists to u...and u have 400 against him (weapon is 450 full as far i know...so its still -50)
Ur damage is lower also bcuz of COP (reduces crit dmg received)
and 1,7 m.def? cmoooooooon.... i get 2,8~3k using -men dyes... 1,7m.def cant handle with 5/6k m.atk (as far i know)
Buff Properly, all the archers that i know still kick azzes
What you just proved is that 1.7k m def cant handle 5/6k m def which is my point. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
You just proved that Im right, you just proved that Mages are over powered and that you are more than happy with this nerfing on the mages+warrior classes.
Thank you for your information, now gm team, read the small lines between his post and you got your answer.
Treta smena plackovci :S
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 06:33:41 AM
poft poft poft
For ur info: 1,7 m.def is low ....6k m.atk is high... follow this logic :)
Quote from: DKociak on June 22, 2011, 07:50:35 AM
Why i hit ppl for 100 and ppl hitting me for 200000 WHY?!!! GOD TELL ME WHYYYY!!!!!???????? Im know im "noob" but WHY!!!???
wear armor and jewelery?
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 06:33:41 AM
What you just proved is that 1.7k m def cant handle 5/6k m def which is my point. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
You just proved that Im right, you just proved that Mages are over powered and that you are more than happy with this nerfing on the mages+warrior classes.
Thank you for your information, now gm team, read the small lines between his post and you got your answer.
I can't belive what I see. Fighters hit like crazy, and You cry on forum couse smbd kicked Your ass. Also check how many HP You have and how many have mage.
And 1.7 k mdef is very low, Try use at least A grade jevelery (mj or smth....dunno)
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 06:02:18 AM
I believe that the itention of all these is to balance the clases which is a really good idea, but on this particular case there has been a huge mistake.
Have you consider people using anti archer song?
have you consider people using shield with buffs that greatly reduces damage to arrows and other attacks?
Have you consider people using anti archer DANCE that literaly makes an archer useless?
In numbers, yes, pph+he may have higher p atk, but in REAL WORLD SCENARIO, having DNET Heavy Set, Dyes STR+4, P Atk Pot, Icarus Bow +8 Lvl 9 as Attribute, Tattoo of Ogre lvl 4, Quen Cat Buff and ofc dances and COV. having 10k p atk, baium, aq etc
The real damage to a player using ati archer song and bless shield defense goes to: 2,000 "dealing this damage to a mage SPS/EE"
In other hand, the same mage dealing 1k normal damage with 400!!!! WATER ATTRIBUTE DEFENSE AND 1.7K M DEF, so yes, thanks for trying to balance the clases but now archers are pathetic.
I just wonder why GM staff cant do these test on their own, create these characters and have them checked in a pvp for testing, that is the easiest and fastest and more accurate way of knowingif what you did is correct instead of listening to those people giving you the wrong information for their own good, anyway Thanks for reading and thanks for balancing as well.
Now it's the same as it's since C4/IL :D
I am HE/WK and believe me, 8-16k dmg on mages/archers was just boring.... But some well buffed mages were geting only 2k so?
Conclusion: Buffs > all :)
Only that sh1ty atk.speed sucks agains mages... Heal > dmg :P
Stop crying cos ur archer dun kill mages with 2 hits anymore, I can speak from fact here that there are some archer on server who still deal large damage (8k+) to full buffed mages. So not only do you want to outrun & outrange mages you also want 2 hits to kill, how about GM make new skill called Mage freeze for archer, when archer targets mage they freeze and can't hit back. Will you be happy then???
Quote from: lasombra on June 22, 2011, 09:53:11 AM
I can't belive what I see. Fighters hit like crazy, and You cry on forum couse smbd kicked Your ass. Also check how many HP You have and how many have mage.
And 1.7 k mdef is very low, Try use at least A grade jevelery (mj or smth....dunno)
u are the last that should talk :) or post your m def stat !!!!!! (SHE IS EDITED !!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEE)
now, all flame feliiiiii
Quote from: Piccy on June 22, 2011, 01:58:12 PM
u are the last that should talk :) or post your m def stat !!!!!! (SHE IS EDITED !!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEE)
now, all flame feliiiiii
LOLed xD
BTW Piccy, read PM plz
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 06:02:18 AM
I believe that the itention of all these is to balance the clases which is a really good idea, but on this particular case there has been a huge mistake.
Have you consider people using anti archer song?
have you consider people using shield with buffs that greatly reduces damage to arrows and other attacks?
Have you consider people using anti archer DANCE that literaly makes an archer useless?
In numbers, yes, pph+he may have higher p atk, but in REAL WORLD SCENARIO, having DNET Heavy Set, Dyes STR+4, P Atk Pot, Icarus Bow +8 Lvl 9 as Attribute, Tattoo of Ogre lvl 4, Quen Cat Buff and ofc dances and COV. having 10k p atk, baium, aq etc
The real damage to a player using ati archer song and bless shield defense goes to: 2,000 "dealing this damage to a mage SPS/EE"
In other hand, the same mage dealing 1k normal damage with 400!!!! WATER ATTRIBUTE DEFENSE AND 1.7K M DEF, so yes, thanks for trying to balance the clases but now archers are pathetic.
I just wonder why GM staff cant do these test on their own, create these characters and have them checked in a pvp for testing, that is the easiest and fastest and more accurate way of knowingif what you did is correct instead of listening to those people giving you the wrong information for their own good, anyway Thanks for reading and thanks for balancing as well.
teoretical yes but in pratice archer always be beter then mage
but at moment dunno why nerfed atk sped (FW dont work, haste retail dont have this same chances like was in hellbound and max atk sped is 1500). Now p atk is nerfed even on class whos was all ok (just lol). I hope casting speed be also nerfed to 1500 or incrase atk speed on wariors to 1999
5 days ago i pvp against a es/sps (dnet vesper), using my da/th (dnet heavy), i hade 2.9k of m def and fuker hit me non lower then 2k, in less then 5 sec i got 6 hits between 2k and 4k, with 2.9k of mdef and 230 attr agains water :D, :'( so the easier way to solve this problem was to not go again to that zone xD hehehe (cuz remember that dnet vesper reduce crit hits), but it really sux :( i reach 1.5k of attack speed w/o using passive haste, i whent for spirit cuz at least i reach 1500 and 100 pts estra to p atack.
Wanna solve your problems, do a mage :D
nerf casting speed to 1500 like atk sped :P ;D
Quote from: sirSethan on June 22, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
nerf casting speed to 1500 like atk sped :P ;D
Hmmm... It's my 1st time when I have to agree with you :D
But they won't do it ;)
They removed stacking masteries so long ago, in c4. Since c4 there is soo many buff againts fighters that were implented, yet not that many agaisnt mages. For example, Windstorm, Chant of protection, Counter Critical(Now). Mages also have a hudge benefit from using a shield. Dyna shield gives 321 pdef +100% shield pdef from shield buff, thats +642 pdef during a successful shield block, +80% shield defence sucess rate.... How much pdef a mage can get nowadays ? 2k i am sure, + 642 from shield.
I was playing a sws/ee and on full buffed i never got hit more than 800 dmg.
While fighters didnt get more buffs agaisnt magic.
The attack speed/casting speed nerf ratio from ncsoft is also ridiculous. 1500 for fighters is very low attack speed, and 2500 for mages is quite high, i think from all mages only sps can achieve this, and even then its not "so" common... Even drake said this in the past that we cant have everything like ncsoft because we have too many custom stuff, thats one thing that has to be re-thought about, as same as fighter/mages patk. I doesnt need to be so much more, but it should give a bonus.
A HE/PP vs HE, same lvl/equip/buff and the unsubbed HE could win... its all a matter of luck on who will evade/crit the most.
Thank you for your post, I really appreciate that you are being honest and you would like the server to be more balanced as we all want to play with our different races/characters.
There is a fact in here, Mages are indeed over powered, not only because of the damage, but because of the buffs combos.
As you stated, there are many buffs that greatly reduces the damage dealed by a warrior "Specially Archers".
So my question is, whats the point of the "unique DN subclass system"?, We Obviously did a mage+warrior for p atk/atk speed reasons but what is the point now?, we all can make ourself buffers and now a stupid WL+HE has higher P atk. so where is the balance?
GM Staff, PLEASE create yourself some characters and as the other guy stated, buff yourself correctly and test by your own, do the math, 2k m def and 400 attribute resist will never match SONG+Chant of Protection+Greater Shield+Blessed Shield and even worst, DZ anti archer.
1,5k cast for mage... hahahahahah!then try make buff with that cast!! just LOL!!
guys:all mages have less p def/m def like wariors so mages must have more cast for use hit/heal in same time...its simply!
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 22, 2011, 11:57:02 PM
1,5k cast for mage... hahahahahah!then try make buff with that cast!! just LOL!!
guys:all mages have less p def/m def like wariors so mages must have more cast for use hit/heal in same time...its simply!
Lower p.def? Lower m.def? Since when? :D Add Shield for that ;)
p def from shield its not to much......
Quote from: lasombra on June 22, 2011, 09:53:11 AM
I can't belive what I see. Fighters hit like crazy, and You cry on forum couse smbd kicked Your ass. Also check how many HP You have and how many have mage.
And 1.7 k mdef is very low, Try use at least A grade jevelery (mj or smth....dunno)
Sure archers have more HP but do archers have the ability to heal themselfs? Imagine how fair it would be if mages would have the same amount HP as archers + they'll be able to heal themselfs. So that was a bit of a useless point of view from you.
Personally i think there's nothing wrong with mages and archers now. Everytime there's a complain topic about archers or mages, what i don't get that there's not being thought of other kind of classes/play styles (i just guess there are not enough of those peoples).
Cause seriously, is it worth playing gladiator / tyrant / summoner (a summon that doesn't die with 1 crit and cant reach more then 800? dmg) / tank (on actuall tank style with shield + sword) / warlord (on actuall WL style with an spear?) simple answer no. When joining this server u got 3 options: mage / archer / dagger char... What's up with that? there are people that would like playing other kind of classes but it's just useless since they'r worth 0 and can't compeet even a bit with the other classes. And tbh it would be much more fun if other classes would be made playable, cause pvp like this is sorta boring and could be way more fun.
Only reason i could think off why the situation is like this is basically that everyone donates for the other classes wich means the higher staff doesn't even think a bit about other classes.
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 23, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
p def from shield its not to much......
+642 Pdef is alot...
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 22, 2011, 11:57:02 PM
1,5k cast for mage... hahahahahah!then try make buff with that cast!! just LOL!!
guys:all mages have less p def/m def like wariors so mages must have more cast for use hit/heal in same time...its simply!
a "normal" mage does not have to hit and heal, just one of both.
i have a pp/necro with 1.5 cast in dances+pp buff and pof. I dont lack cast speed to buff a whole party, whats your point ?
Quote from: GekKey on June 23, 2011, 01:14:17 AM
+642 Pdef is alot...
a "normal" mage does not have to hit and heal, just one of both.
i have a pp/necro with 1.5 cast in dances+pp buff and pof. I dont lack cast speed to buff a whole party, whats your point ?
hit/heal i mean: 1xhit,2x heal..
i play on sps/ee and IMHO cast 1999 ist good(but since HB 2,5 ...my lovely...:PPPP ).with that cast i can vs archer/dager hit him and heal myself.on cast 1,5 hmm...its hard stay alive...
i dont see the point of this topic tbh all mage/fighter combos was a kinde of balanced in the last 2 months before we went in gracia now with the new choronical they forgot to check the staking masterys anyway the only unbalance now problem and why the mages are most OP is coz the new gracia futher ressit buffs nothing els what`s mean ressit water wind holy unholy and what ever we have songs`s dance now not droping the mage dmg in % kust simple add attributs in ur stats ye ok gracia futher yes atributs help alot to drop dmg no mether fighter mage but is a problem that in gracia final we dont have duble atribut in 1 part armor to can at last make 2 parts each elemental atack + some buffs to rich aorund 400 what will help alot but nscoft did not think on that in gracia they fix it that in epilog in epilog u can put 2-3 atributs in 1 part so we all know next new chronical is good dream so our soulutions is help by gms to balance this or rerroll on mages and ofc best mage combo tank/mage who will get from archers max 600 dmg and will deal 1k-2k normal hits + incrased cirtical rate
So guys injoy in spam topic and soon all will be solved cheers
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Im amazed how youre so confident being such an ignorant person, 400 water defense as attribute, 2k+ m def with protection of rune, elemental, holy etc, songs, dances, water def, WATER DEF POT and the normal hit on me was 1k.
While my damage having over 9,000 p atk, queen cat buff, dances, cov, berserker, AQ, Baium, Certifications, IC+8 LVL9, was 2k on an EE/SPS. IF CRITICAL, if not 200.
If you state that this is ok then, my friend you are just talking to yourself.
Now please, GM Team if you are going to balance stuff, why did you literally DESTROYED the mage+warrior subclass combo?, why dont you DESTROY the tank+warrior as well? or why dont you do the same "stacking fix" to any other subclass combo?
Quote from: R3mm on June 23, 2011, 02:43:18 AM
So guys injoy in spam topic and soon all will be solved cheers
Im amazed how youre so confident being such an ignorant person, 400 water defense as attribute, 2k+ m def with protection of rune, elemental, holy etc, songs, dances, water def, WATER DEF POT and the normal hit on me was 1k.
While my damage having over 9,000 p atk, queen cat buff, dances, cov, berserker, AQ, Baium, Certifications, IC+8 LVL9, was 2k on an EE/SPS.
If you state that this is ok then, my friend you are just talking to yourself.
Now please, GM Team if you are going to balance stuff, why did you literally DESTROYED the mage+warrior subclass combo?, why dont you DESTROY the tank+warrior as well? or why dont you do the same "stacking fix" to any other subclass combo?
Donno where u read it in my post that i say that mage`s not hit u hard i say it that atributs in armor are the only this what can drop the mage dmg i did not say they will hit u 200 if u have full ressit vs some mage dude before each elemental ressit was working 20-30% lowering mage dmg what`s mean if u have his attribut + 30% elemental protection +20% water essit +elemental song 20% calucalte the dmg that mage will hit u { not sure if was corect % on the buffs resist but was around that numbers } so there u go ur asnwer from god dark elf mage u can resive now 2-3k normal dmg not ciritcal if u dont have any atribut in ur armor so 1 k i wont count it like a high dmg
The fact here:
Subclass Combo
Tank+Warrior result: either the warrior class got benefits from tank class or tank class got benefits from warrior class.
Tank+Mage result: the mage class gets benefits from tank buffs and skills
summoner+mage: transfer of pain, casting speed and reuse delay and cubics are given as bonus due to stacking subclasses.
Warrior+Warrior: same thing, stacking skills or passive skills for example th+he boost atk speed and critical dmg and rate are increased as well as evasion and speed.
But what about mage + warrior?
Havent you realized that you have literally desotryed this subclass combo? the benefits SHOULD be p atk and atk speed as well as m def, thats why many of us picked this particular subclass combo.
GM Team, I know youre trying to balance the clases but put it this way, each subclass combo has its own benefits and what you have done is literaly destroyed the mage+warrior BENEFITS, so what is the point now of having a prophet+warrior?
I didnt read all posts from the last page...but some points
@the guy that got raped by es/sps (u got pwnt bcuz he used light against you, water resist wont save you)
My point is: There are 5 (max) es/sps that i know @ the server, all of them use Light and Water in weapons (2 weapons obviously ;D), but @ pvp, 90% use holy (including me)
@1500 casting cap: LOL'ed... Arcane Agility is already useless for elfs bcuz Summoners can have 2500 with the passives well enchanted.. 1500 is acumen + zerk for me (and i havent dnet/vesper or w/e...but i still do low dmg bcuz of mine itens [not complaining, just dont want to listen "OMFG, all mages are OP" bcuz of this comment])
Archers arent supposed to have 1500 atk all the time lol...bows are slow...what do u want? daggers can easely get it, the points that they'll not gain, not are the same diference that elfs wont, since isnt all daggers who reach it w/o passive cert.
If u guys want to have 2k atk spd / 500 crit rate / 8k p.atk / kill any1 in 3 crit max...go play some wtflol pvp server
/peace
Quote from: R3mm on June 23, 2011, 02:43:18 AM
While my damage having over 9,000 p atk,
And that was normal? ;) Believe, it wasn't at all, compared to other combos, same race.
Where from you got that mistake that PP subclass for HE was intended to add pattack from weapon masteries stack? That was fix years ago, maybe you didn't played here; then you could simply ask on "nooby boards"
Quote from: R3mm on June 23, 2011, 04:43:54 AM
The fact here:
Subclass Combo
Tank+Warrior result: either the warrior class got benefits from tank class or tank class got benefits from warrior class.
Tank+Mage result: the mage class gets benefits from tank buffs and skills
summoner+mage: transfer of pain, casting speed and reuse delay and cubics are given as bonus due to stacking subclasses.
Warrior+Warrior: same thing, stacking skills or passive skills for example th+he boost atk speed and critical dmg and rate are increased as well as evasion and speed.
But what about mage + warrior?
Havent you realized that you have literally desotryed this subclass combo? the benefits SHOULD be p atk and atk speed as well as m def, thats why many of us picked this particular subclass combo.
GM Team, I know youre trying to balance the clases but put it this way, each subclass combo has its own benefits and what you have done is literaly destroyed the mage+warrior BENEFITS, so what is the point now of having a prophet+warrior?
No, these shouldn't be since you already have a masteries that give you those bonuses
And obviously all those ppl who are actually crying for those stacking masteries aren't old player and don't know that they were fixed in past.
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 22, 2011, 11:57:02 PM
1,5k cast for mage... hahahahahah!then try make buff with that cast!! just LOL!!
guys:all mages have less p def/m def like wariors so mages must have more cast for use hit/heal in same time...its simply!
less p def?? me mage got 2,7k on self in fokin robe xD
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 23, 2011, 02:06:57 AM
hit/heal i mean: 1xhit,2x heal..
i play on sps/ee and IMHO cast 1999 ist good(but since HB 2,5 ...my lovely...:PPPP ).with that cast i can vs archer/dager hit him and heal myself.on cast 1,5 hmm...its hard stay alive...
You just prove what i meant. On retail you nuke because your a mage or you heal because your a healer. Since here we have sub, the fact that u cannot heal+nuke and kill people is not a reason to not reduce cast speed.
Quote from: Neozinhu on June 23, 2011, 06:07:40 AM
I didnt read all posts from the last page...but some points
@the guy that got raped by es/sps (u got pwnt bcuz he used light against you, water resist wont save you)
My point is: There are 5 (max) es/sps that i know @ the server, all of them use Light and Water in weapons (2 weapons obviously ;D), but @ pvp, 90% use holy (including me)
@1500 casting cap: LOL'ed... Arcane Agility is already useless for elfs bcuz Summoners can have 2500 with the passives well enchanted.. 1500 is acumen + zerk for me (and i havent dnet/vesper or w/e...but i still do low dmg bcuz of mine itens [not complaining, just dont want to listen "OMFG, all mages are OP" bcuz of this comment])
Archers arent supposed to have 1500 atk all the time lol...bows are slow...what do u want? daggers can easely get it, the points that they'll not gain, not are the same diference that elfs wont, since isnt all daggers who reach it w/o passive cert.
If u guys want to have 2k atk spd / 500 crit rate / 8k p.atk / kill any1 in 3 crit max...go play some wtflol pvp server
/peace
This cap mostly affect and screw up daggers.
Sure, archers cant have these stats. But a mage can have 2.5kpdef 2.5k cast, 8k matk, and new insane crit rate. We are a like u call "wtflol pvp server"
Quote from: stanko on June 23, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
No, these shouldn't be since you already have a masteries that give you those bonuses
And obviously all those ppl who are actually crying for those stacking masteries aren't old player and don't know that they were fixed in past.
Not all, I remember playing my sr/es in old times, with a carnage bow, gsa and dance had over 1.6k attack speed, and pof was self buff only, so no pof.
Then, they removed the light armor atk speed stack and made patk stack bonus. At that point we were able to use pof. I would say at this time, indeed fighter/mage combo where overpowered.
Then they removed them, imo it was fair.
Then came more resistance against crits/bow attack and now i think something should have been reconsidered
Quote from: Zippey on June 22, 2011, 01:36:08 PM
Stop crying cos ur archer dun kill mages with 2 hits anymore, I can speak from fact here that there are some archer on server who still deal large damage (8k+) to full buffed mages. So not only do you want to outrun & outrange mages you also want 2 hits to kill, how about GM make new skill called Mage freeze for archer, when archer targets mage they freeze and can't hit back. Will you be happy then???
2 things about OP archers:
1. 4-5 archers with highly enchanted euquipment is not equal with "archers". (on last siege i got 18830 crit dmg from a mage, should i tell from now that the mages hits 18k? not...)
2. when theese nerfs were badly needed, the mages had only maja/dc robes but now all have better sets, better pdef and tons of archer resist buffs what we did not have in C4. Now the archers have only nerfed or non working skills and they lost a lot of attack speed too. I think now they are weaker compared to mages than in the HB, so here is the time to think over it. :)
Ok stacking masteries were fixed I understand but why the hell we got now less p.atak and less a.speed than in hb ???In hb the stacking masteries were fixed to but now the p.atak and a.speed isn't the same as it was in hb it's lower wtf.It's less with 600-800 p.atak than in hb,about a.speed can't rember exactly maybe someone knows, really nice job.
Quote from: GekKey on June 23, 2011, 05:45:23 PM
Sure, archers cant have these stats. But a mage can have 2.5kpdef 2.5k cast, 8k matk, and new insane crit rate. We are a like u call "wtflol pvp server"
Mages with nice equips can get it, w/o "normal stuff" only ES can have 2,5k casting i think, and 8k m.atk are easy only in D.Elf stats
Max that i got was 5...with +int dyes =X
Ps.: I'm not counting Enlightment bcuz its 10 seconds
Quote from: Neozinhu on June 23, 2011, 09:22:27 PM
Mages with nice equips can get it, w/o "normal stuff" only ES can have 2,5k casting i think, and 8k m.atk are easy only in D.Elf stats
Max that i got was 5...with +int dyes =X
Ps.: I'm not counting Enlightment bcuz its 10 seconds
search the forum, there are some topic about best stats with screenshots. Check it and u will be surprised :)
Quote from: Neozinhu on June 23, 2011, 09:22:27 PM
Mages with nice equips can get it, w/o "normal stuff" only ES can have 2,5k casting i think, and 8k m.atk are easy only in D.Elf stats
Max that i got was 5...with +int dyes =X
Ps.: I'm not counting Enlightment bcuz its 10 seconds
its same about archer.
GIVE INTERLUDE BACK!
Neozinhu:
2,4-2,5k cast in sps its normal on HB,not only es...
btw.some1 wrote about shield..i try it and when i worn shield i dont have any p def more...its normal?or i make smth wrong?
Quote from: DarkLoverPL on June 23, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
Neozinhu:
2,4-2,5k cast in sps its normal on HB,not only es...
btw.some1 wrote about shield..i try it and when i worn shield i dont have any p def more...its normal?or i make smth wrong?
the shield does not add the pdef to stats, it adds it when ur shield defense succeds, that mean, you have fe: 2k pdef, shield pdef is 400. on non shield sucess atk, ur pdef will be 2000, and on shield success attack, ur pdef will be equivalent to 2400
Quote from: GekKey on June 24, 2011, 04:54:08 AM
the shield does not add the pdef to stats, it adds it when ur shield defense succeds, that mean, you have fe: 2k pdef, shield pdef is 400. on non shield sucess atk, ur pdef will be 2000, and on shield success attack, ur pdef will be equivalent to 2400
I always thought that when i hit only 1dmg that is when u see "your shiel defence was succeded".
That is called "Excelent Shield defense" and then yes dmg is shjtty, but its much much rarer
Quote from: GekKey on June 23, 2011, 05:45:23 PM
This cap mostly affect and screw up daggers.
Sure, archers cant have these stats. But a mage can have 2.5kpdef 2.5k cast, 8k matk, and new insane crit rate. We are a like u call "wtflol pvp server"
Sry just a smal correction... We are a, like u call, "wtflol mage pvp server"...
I understand, that some1 who plays a mage class will always say he's weak...not mucho hp...less p def (lol'ed on that one), bla bla bla<-----Bullshit!!
Facts are facts.... how are you supose to kill some1 who heals him self for 1.8k when you only manage to CRIT him for 600??? What do you do?? You bullshit him to death like most of you guys do here on forum?
What else can we (warriors) do if not :D :D :D! Hey at least my char looks good!! I don't use pijamas!!
Java why i see you in every cry topic ? Cant you handle few days on not crying to nerf someone.
I'm not saying that all here say bullshit coz some is true (like f.e. 1,5k atk spd limit is crazy...), but still again i see crys coz you ppls dont own anymore..cant win, or need to use few more hits than before so lets nerf someone !
p.s not all mages can heal themselves FYI
on sieges you see 80% archers, who crying here about mages, go reroll to one, you will be /GODMODE
Gekkey u must really sux if u cant win now with anyone mages :P
Today i got 3 frags on BA on dino and me dmg was this same like 5 days before :D :D
Ask Ol3j ;D ;D
Quote from: sirSethan on June 24, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
Gekkey u must really sux if u cant win now with anyone mages :P
Today i got 3 frags on BA on dino and me dmg was this same like 5 days before :D :D
Ask Ol3j ;D ;D
Damn, you are so powerfull!
Join to BArmy and we will own the whole server and Epic Bosses! Plz Sethan! We need you so badly!
Quote from: PolSilv3r on June 24, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
Damn, you are so powerfull!
Join to BArmy and we will own the whole server and Epic Bosses! Plz Sethan! We need you so badly!
sorry but i got 1 rule... no leader idiots :P Kick tukan and all hun and i join ;D ;D
Here is another fact:
People will always comment stuff that will obviously help their current class/character, instead of posting usefull information.
I still do not understand why GM Team cant do their own characters and have them tested in a private area, you could also pm me If you want to do some testings with different equipment, different races etc.
At the end, what you will realize is that mages have a clear advantage over a warrior, specially archers since there are many buffs that lower the damage recieved by an arrow, being admins you already know this.
But what about mages?, if you guys are testing mages buffed with only pph buffs that would be a massacre for the mage "depending on the subclass combo", but if you take highly buffed mages againts warriors, what are the buffs that you could get againts magic?, attribute resistance on my case over 380 water and 2k m def and average normal damage using hydro blast on me 1k, critical 4k while mine, with the previous p atk 9,000 2k on a mage if critical success.
The point is highly buffed vs highly buffed, high resistance againts critical damage vs m def buffs, hey,Just compare
Highly buffed mages "anti archer song, anti archer dance, songs, dances, chant of protection, bless shield lvl6, earth chant or greater shield" vs
Hihgly buffed warriors "queen cat, songs, dance, cov if possible +whatever passive/active skill from your class..
If the balance made on the server isnt accurate, you could be the very best lineage 2 player of all times but playing with a wrong subclass or nerfed one, you will easily get kill by somebody who has the right buffs and is spamming F1 like Hydro blast
Ahahaha nice sethan 3 frags on 3 mages (where i afk eating, but that actualy doesnt matter :P ), buffed purely for pve, when you had whole pt on your back, for sure bufed to pvp, so its easy to have frags :) . Oh well be happy, we're enemy so cant cry that got killed, even if not rdy for any kind of fight :)
R3emm playing mage isnt one skill, i assure we have much more skill than your average archer, and good player use all their skills not just f1 and attack, this goes to all mages and fighters :)
Good buff also is needed always if you want to have chance in pvp.
Quote from: sirSethan on June 24, 2011, 10:54:15 PM
sorry but i got 1 rule... no leader idiots :P Kick tukan and all hun and i join ;D ;D
We have a clanrule too and we mustnt invite idiots, so u dont have any reason after Tukann's and hungarian players leaving :D :P
Quote from: 0l3j on June 25, 2011, 12:19:22 AM
Ahahaha nice sethan 3 frags on 3 mages (where i afk eating, but that actualy doesnt matter :P ), buffed purely for pve, when you had whole pt on your back, for sure bufed to pvp, so its easy to have frags :) . Oh well be happy, we're enemy so cant cry that got killed, even if not rdy for any kind of fight :)
u wanna tell me u was on bot on rex on BA CREST???? :o :o :o :o
I asking becose u hiting rex (and me leter) and u tell u was afk :D :D
WTB pvp script xD
Quote from: sirSethan on June 25, 2011, 08:39:15 AM
u wanna tell me u was on bot on rex on BA CREST???? :o :o :o :o
I asking becose u hiting rex (and me leter) and u tell u was afk :D :D
WTB pvp script xD
Ahahaha dream more, pls dont drink when you play l2 coz you have delussions, i was afk so coudnt hit trex at all and whats more funny by the time i got back to pc i was dead already so do tell me how could i hit you ?
I know I'm awesome and can do impossible that must be the reason, rly if you make up stories at least make them little more realistic so there would be a little chance for someone to believe in them.
Everyone that play mages come in this topic and is like OMG OMG NO STACK and you tell us fighter/mage we cry. I dont talk about 100% working stacking masteries, but maybe like 10 to 25% working bonus would balance it out.
Open a test server. Mages/anything vs Fighter/mystic combo
and take off all attribute and attribute buffs such as resist water etc.., to take them off of the equation.
3 level of equipement, 4 level of buffs
Equip 1st level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
All clean
Equip 2nd level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
All +6
Equip 3rd level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
Weapon +15, Armor/Jewel +6
Buffs 1st lvl pp/ee/se/wc
Buffs 2nd lvl pp/ee/se/wc + dances only
Buffs 3rd lvl pp/ee/se/wc + songs only
Buffs 4th lvl pp/ee/se/wc + dances/songs.cat/pony etc..
Imo mages will win in every case, except when they are on buffs 3rd lvl there you will see them die
Quote from: GekKey on June 25, 2011, 07:25:08 PM
Everyone that play mages come in this topic and is like OMG OMG NO STACK and you tell us fighter/mage we cry. I dont talk about 100% working stacking masteries, but maybe like 10 to 25% working bonus would balance it out.
Open a test server. Mages/anything vs Fighter/mystic combo
and take off all attribute and attribute buffs such as resist water etc.., to take them off of the equation.
3 level of equipement, 4 level of buffs
Equip 1st level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
All clean
Equip 2nd level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
All +6
Equip 3rd level Dnets dynasty + icarus weapon + full boss jewels
Weapon +15, Armor/Jewel +6
Buffs 1st lvl pp/ee/se/wc
Buffs 2nd lvl pp/ee/se/wc + dances only
Buffs 3rd lvl pp/ee/se/wc + songs only
Buffs 4th lvl pp/ee/se/wc + dances/songs.cat/pony etc..
Imo mages will win in every case, except when they are on buffs 3rd lvl there you will see them die
wtf you talking about ???? mages have no chance to survive vs archers w/o windstorm, and you say that they can win only w/o songs oO
and its not just stuped pvp,with th/pp now who have dnete set rb jewel i cant make hb quest i am dying all the time,sux demage ,th/pp now cant kill elpy i think i quit ...
Quote from: paypal2 on June 25, 2011, 08:46:36 PM
and its not just stuped pvp,with th/pp now who have dnete set rb jewel i cant make hb quest i am dying all the time,sux demage ,th/pp now cant kill elpy i think i quit ...
I suggest you turn all that gear on and start using SSS / Buffs.
Quote from: paypal2 on June 25, 2011, 08:46:36 PM
and its not just stuped pvp,with th/pp now who have dnete set rb jewel i cant make hb quest i am dying all the time,sux demage ,th/pp now cant kill elpy i think i quit ...
i was HB earlier with my th/pp 81 Draco set / baium+Qa / as+h+8 full attirbute and my bd/se :) sure mobs are hitting me for 1k lol i got 3k from one arcane who did a crit magic XD but with the skills of the SE "STIGMA and HEX" i can deal 6/7k damage on them and dont die (btw i take one by one maybe 2 max XD but wtf why HB are so hard now :s )
Quote from: Locus on June 25, 2011, 08:30:17 PM
wtf you talking about ???? mages have no chance to survive vs archers w/o windstorm, and you say that they can win only w/o songs oO
I meant this is where fighter stand more chances because of crits. Songs do not improve so much damagewise mage attack
After many different spam/opinion by many players.
The reason of why I created this post is to let the GM team that I am not the only one affected by this "fix", the "fix" as you call it is not a nerf, is not a de-power, it is actually disabling 1 subclass out of the mage+warrior.
The reason is,
THERE IS NO STACK, Weapon Mastery is from prophet, Archer, dagger or whatever mastery is from the second subclass.
Where is the stack?
If you call this stack "passive skills from 1 class + passive skills of subclass", then DELETE EVERY SINGLE passive skill from ALL THE CHARACTERS/SUBCLASS COMBOS, as hey, YOU ARE INDEED STACKING 2 passive skill sets.
If you believe there is too much advantage out of these subclasses combos, reduce de weapon mastery to be 50% effect as you are forcing all the affected players either to re-roll as Im doing or Leave the community.
Quote from: seboulba on June 25, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
i was HB earlier with my th/pp 81 Draco set / baium+Qa / as+h+8 full attirbute and my bd/se :) sure mobs are hitting me for 1k lol i got 3k from one arcane who did a crit magic XD but with the skills of the SE "STIGMA and HEX" i can deal 6/7k damage on them and dont die (btw i take one by one maybe 2 max XD but wtf why HB are so hard now :s )
HB should ba that hard :)
Ok R3mm no more spam from me :P
Quote from: seboulba on June 25, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
i was HB earlier with my th/pp 81 Draco set / baium+Qa / as+h+8 full attirbute and my bd/se :) sure mobs are hitting me for 1k lol i got 3k from one arcane who did a crit magic XD but with the skills of the SE "STIGMA and HEX" i can deal 6/7k damage on them and dont die (btw i take one by one maybe 2 max XD but wtf why HB are so hard now :s )
Well about make mobs harder is good idea, now u dont see ppls making trains and killing all, no more "one men one army"
Quote from: GekKey on June 25, 2011, 07:25:08 PM
Open a test server. Mages/anything vs Fighter/mystic combo
Dont waste your time with posting about it! Archers must be nerfed, this fossilized thesis is burnt into their mind. Ppl/GMs dont mind if the environments were changed with every chronicle changing, they dont want to think on it again, cos this situation is comfortable for them. The only solution would be if every dispensable fighter/mage would reroll to fighter/tank and mages can fight against bunch of tanks. Thats what they deserved :P
Drake has SPS/EE - eot! :)
Why taking archer/suport combo you wanna hit like DD/DD with surive abilities like DD/tank and at same time have self buffs? Why taking DD/suport combo for you not enought advantage like - suporting ur party and you craying only about DMG ? Why each time you wine about anty archer/fighters buffs wich L2 got during last content patches and totally forgot also about debuffs wich in right hands can increase fighters DMG to insane rates ?
LA2 it's not a single-player game and sometimes if you wanna deal decent dmg you should have team play.
IMO staking weapon mastery wont bring any balance in game becouse ur dmg still will be low on chars with deflect arrows +shield and at same time will be disbalanced against chars w/o such abilities. So mby ur main problem not in ur char but in ur hands + some other chars (for example xx/tank) got to many adventages.
Quote from: Defoe on June 26, 2011, 11:42:41 AM
Why taking archer/suport combo you wanna hit like DD/DD with surive abilities like DD/tank and at same time have self buffs? Why taking DD/suport combo for you not enought advantage like - suporting ur party and you craying only about DMG ? Why each time you wine about anty archer/fighters buffs wich L2 got during last content patches and totally forgot also about debuffs wich in right hands can increase fighters DMG to insane rates ?
LA2 it's not a single-player game and sometimes if you wanna deal decent dmg you should have team play.
IMO staking weapon mastery wont bring any balance in game becouse ur dmg still will be low on chars with deflect arrows +shield and at same time will be disbalanced against chars w/o such abilities. So mby ur main problem not in ur char but in ur hands + some other chars (for example xx/tank) got to many adventages.
DN is single player serv from long ago (one man armys). Thats why so many ppl are pissed off with gracia upgrade coz its harder to play single now and thats what they used to play. How many shouts "lf pt, or lf ppl to rb" you seen at last year/2 years? There is no new players on serv, there is no random pts as it was in C4. Sieges/epics and few mass pvp is ofc exeptions though, but only then its mmo here. Ppl exp/farm/making quests alone.
Quote from: Defoe on June 26, 2011, 11:42:41 AM
Why taking archer/suport combo you wanna hit like DD/DD with surive abilities like DD/tank and at same time have self buffs? Why taking DD/suport combo for you not enought advantage like - suporting ur party and you craying only about DMG ?
I think u have just partially right. The coin always has another side. As i read this topic, nobody told he wants an archer/mage combo with insane pattack with very high pdef. I am a HE/PP and i can tell u, this is the weakest archer/support combo. No extra dmg, no extra def, no transfer pain. As u told, just selfbuffs. Thats why sometimes there are only 1-2 online PP in a whole ally. But pls, dont talk about these buffs like it would be really only selfbuffs, cos the whole party needs the PP buffs, and in the older chronicle it was even more needed. So the only reason in taking these sub is really the need.
But i am wondering why is it strange for u if a PP wants to get some plus from the sub except buffs. Somehow its normal for us when a fighter or a nuker gets amazing pdef/def skills, or a DD gets bigger a.speed, p.attack or defs from his sub. Just that +1000 p.attack is so big problem for us, what a PP could get. Donno why...
Quote from: Defoe on June 26, 2011, 11:42:41 AM
Why each time you wine about anty archer/fighters buffs wich L2 got during last content patches and totally forgot also about debuffs wich in right hands can increase fighters DMG to insane rates ?
I can tell u why. Because if u use the proper archer and fighter resist buffs, u can have blockshield, hex and so on, the archers dmg is ridiculous. (ridiculous means under 100) These archer resist buffs dont lower the dmg, but makes u immortal. Here is a picture about it. She is not a tank:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1870/shot00000yi.jpg)
Almost all archer skill is nerfed or can make really low dmg. Just compare our 3rd class skills to the 3rd class skills of a mage. For example to a spellsinger which is the most played mage on our server.
Lethal shot -> When did u hear last time, that a lethal shot killed somebody from an archer? The mage skills works way better, i experienced it many times. Dont misunderstand me, i dont want to kill somebody with one shot so often as the vortex lands, but i would be happy with 1 lethal/week. Really, without any joke.
Hamstring shot -> Low dmg and its landrate is incredibly lower than the same debuff of mages like blizzard/freezing etc.
Focus skillmastery -> doesnt work, donno if its nerfed or just bugged. But the mages toggle skill for bigger mattack/cspeed is working fine
2nd class skills:
Vicious stance -> nerfed to 0 on archers
Burst shot -> also has very low dmg, cannot be compared to mages AOE skills
double shot -> i think it must be nerfed, cos i think a skill with 4870 power must make bigger dmg than 600 (with average items, not with IC+14 :D )
These things are the reason of the archers cry and this is why archers became stupid "F1 char". A half year ago Piccy told they/he wants to fix the wrong archer skills, i donno if anything has been changed.
So i tell again, not the dmg, but the character is bad (has lots of problem), maybe these nerfs was needed in C4, but with this wide range of archer resist buffs so many nerf (dont forget the icarus) is more than necessary.
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1870/shot00000yi.jpg)
each archer hitting so low on player with bladestorm on, noone has problem with it]
try to use cov sometimes
Quote from: Tabbox on June 26, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
try to use cov sometimes
rofl, maybe they like magnus xD
Quote from: Triuferkkk on June 26, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
rofl, maybe they like magnus xD
more speed is the key of the win
Quote from: stanko on June 26, 2011, 03:49:29 PM
more speed is the key of the win
it doesnt convince me tbh
btw i supose that archers will doesnt work, it never activates
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
I think u have just partially right. The coin always has another side. As i read this topic, nobody told he wants an archer/mage combo with insane pattack with very high pdef. I am a HE/PP and i can tell u, this is the weakest archer/support combo. No extra dmg, no extra def, no transfer pain. As u told, just selfbuffs. Thats why sometimes there are only 1-2 online PP in a whole ally. But pls, dont talk about these buffs like it would be really only selfbuffs, cos the whole party needs the PP buffs, and in the older chronicle it was even more needed. So the only reason in taking these sub is really the need.
But i am wondering why is it strange for u if a PP wants to get some plus from the sub except buffs. Somehow its normal for us when a fighter or a nuker gets amazing pdef/def skills, or a DD gets bigger a.speed, p.attack or defs from his sub. Just that +1000 p.attack is so big problem for us, what a PP could get. Donno why...
I can tell u why. Because if u use the proper archer and fighter resist buffs, u can have blockshield, hex and so on, the archers dmg is ridiculous. (ridiculous means under 100) These archer resist buffs dont lower the dmg, but makes u immortal. Here is a picture about it. She is not a tank:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1870/shot00000yi.jpg)
Almost all archer skill is nerfed or can make really low dmg. Just compare our 3rd class skills to the 3rd class skills of a mage. For example to a spellsinger which is the most played mage on our server.
Lethal shot -> When did u hear last time, that a lethal shot killed somebody from an archer? The mage skills works way better, i experienced it many times. Dont misunderstand me, i dont want to kill somebody with one shot so often as the vortex lands, but i would be happy with 1 lethal/week. Really, without any joke.
Hamstring shot -> Low dmg and its landrate is incredibly lower than the same debuff of mages like blizzard/freezing etc.
Focus skillmastery -> doesnt work, donno if its nerfed or just bugged. But the mages toggle skill for bigger mattack/cspeed is working fine
2nd class skills:
Vicious stance -> nerfed to 0 on archers
Burst shot -> also has very low dmg, cannot be compared to mages AOE skills
double shot -> i think it must be nerfed, cos i think a skill with 4870 power must make bigger dmg than 600 (with average items, not with IC+14 :D )
These things are the reason of the archers cry and this is why archers became stupid "F1 char". A half year ago Piccy told they/he wants to fix the wrong archer skills, i donno if anything has been changed.
So i tell again, not the dmg, but the character is bad (has lots of problem), maybe these nerfs was needed in C4, but with this wide range of archer resist buffs so many nerf (dont forget the icarus) is more than necessary.
what i can say....
u sux like always :D and its not bug:P u always was noob;D
Quote from: Triuferkkk on June 26, 2011, 03:09:48 PM
each archer hitting so low on player with bladestorm on, noone has problem with it]
OMG, where did i say i have problem with it?
Do u really dont understand what u read? This screenshot was just an example to show the effectiveness of the bladestorm. (defoe said before that the archer resist doesnt matter, if we use proper debuffs on the target, then archers "can increase DMG to insane rates".)
Quote from: Ondall on June 26, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
Owned :D
Owned? Sure? So u think if i would use cov instead of magnus, then i would hit 6K? If you really think that cov would be relevant in this case, then u are the owned one... Anyway, thx for teaching me about buffs, i see u also got the point! Its a real pleasure to have conversation with persons like u.
I dont think we must analize my buffs, but i can tell u why we had magnus. Yousti's party was running out heine without 3rd class buff and they were faster than us. Our WC is a smart guy who knows more about this game than "next time use cov", he can always fit our buffs to the situation and he replaced the cov for magnus to give us back the speed to reach them.
you dont read with understanding, and nothing will help you to increase your dmg while bladestorm is on (ofc if you count 20 dmg as increase)
other thing seems you never saw song of wind lol
Quote from: sirSethan on June 26, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
what i can say....
u sux like always :D and its not bug:P u always was noob;D
like u always was a tard ;) and ur parents feel it bug but actualy its not :-*
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
I think u have just partially right. The coin always has another side. As i read this topic, nobody told he wants an archer/mage combo with insane pattack with very high pdef. I am a HE/PP and i can tell u, this is the weakest archer/support combo. No extra dmg, no extra def, no transfer pain. As u told, just selfbuffs. Thats why sometimes there are only 1-2 online PP in a whole ally. But pls, dont talk about these buffs like it would be really only selfbuffs, cos the whole party needs the PP buffs, and in the older chronicle it was even more needed. So the only reason in taking these sub is really the need.
But i am wondering why is it strange for u if a PP wants to get some plus from the sub except buffs. Somehow its normal for us when a fighter or a nuker gets amazing pdef/def skills, or a DD gets bigger a.speed, p.attack or defs from his sub. Just that +1000 p.attack is so big problem for us, what a PP could get. Donno why...
I can tell u why. Because if u use the proper archer and fighter resist buffs, u can have blockshield, hex and so on, the archers dmg is ridiculous. (ridiculous means under 100) These archer resist buffs dont lower the dmg, but makes u immortal. Here is a picture about it. She is not a tank:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1870/shot00000yi.jpg)
Almost all archer skill is nerfed or can make really low dmg. Just compare our 3rd class skills to the 3rd class skills of a mage. For example to a spellsinger which is the most played mage on our server.
Lethal shot -> When did u hear last time, that a lethal shot killed somebody from an archer? The mage skills works way better, i experienced it many times. Dont misunderstand me, i dont want to kill somebody with one shot so often as the vortex lands, but i would be happy with 1 lethal/week. Really, without any joke.
Hamstring shot -> Low dmg and its landrate is incredibly lower than the same debuff of mages like blizzard/freezing etc.
Focus skillmastery -> doesnt work, donno if its nerfed or just bugged. But the mages toggle skill for bigger mattack/cspeed is working fine
2nd class skills:
Vicious stance -> nerfed to 0 on archers
Burst shot -> also has very low dmg, cannot be compared to mages AOE skills
double shot -> i think it must be nerfed, cos i think a skill with 4870 power must make bigger dmg than 600 (with average items, not with IC+14 :D )
These things are the reason of the archers cry and this is why archers became stupid "F1 char". A half year ago Piccy told they/he wants to fix the wrong archer skills, i donno if anything has been changed.
So i tell again, not the dmg, but the character is bad (has lots of problem), maybe these nerfs was needed in C4, but with this wide range of archer resist buffs so many nerf (dont forget the icarus) is more than necessary.
GM TEAM,
would you please be so kind to explain this image?, people using A grade robe sets and A grade or weapons or even Dyasty robe sets are completly killing us in combat while we deal 500 damage having over 6k p atk, so my questio is, WHERE IS THE BALANCE?
Quote from: sirSethan on June 26, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
what i can say....
Sethan pls, dont say anything. I know its hard to u to understand a little more complicated posts like your sethanglis, so i explain u again, this screenshot just shown the effectiveness of the bladestorm, cos someone said the archer resist doesnt matter. I didnt tell a word aboutif it is bug or if it is good or not.
You have also archer/mage, so your idiot spam in the topic where I/we wanted to make this char better, told everything about your intellectual level.
Quote from: Triuferkkk on June 26, 2011, 04:40:23 PM
you dont read with understanding, and nothing will help you to increase your dmg while bladestorm is on (ofc if you count 20 dmg as increase)
other thing seems you never saw song of wind lol
I give it up...
Omg, pls understand me! I was the one who said we cant hit harder. Once again. Defoe said we always forget about the debuffs when we are whineing about the archer resist buff. He was who told that if we would use debuffs, then our dmg could be insane even if the target uses resist against us.
About wind song, thnx again the enlightment about buffs! As a PP i really never heared about wind song, but thnx for god, our sws did, and used it as u can see my very last buff. And great thx to everybody, who couldnt tell any clever thing about the point of my msg, but made a post about how noob we are, and about buffs what we have never seen before... Now make another post pls about the skillbar as the noobs used to, if they have no opinion, but want to deride sombody. Thx! :P
Reroll .
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
I give it up...
Omg, pls understand me! I was the one who said we cant hit harder. Once again. Defoe said we always forget about the debuffs when we are whineing about the archer resist buff. He was who told that if we would use debuffs, then our dmg could be insane even if the target uses resist against us.
About wind song, thnx again the enlightment about buffs! As a PP i really never heared about wind song, but thnx for god, our sws did, and used it as u can see my very last buff. And great thx to everybody, who couldnt tell any clever thing about the point of my msg, but made a post about how noob we are, and about buffs what we have never seen before... Now make another post pls about the skillbar as the noobs used to, if they have no opinion, but want to deride sombody. Thx! :P
i worte wind song not windstorm ...
since you explained you were to slow and used magnus ...
Quote from: ylim on June 26, 2011, 04:40:35 PM
like u always was a tard ;) and ur parents feel it bug but actualy its not :-*
no bug was when they kick u from aod:D
Quote from: Triuferkkk on June 26, 2011, 06:02:35 PM
i worte wind song not windstorm ...
U are right with this, i checked it better and the last buff is really isnt wind song, but windstorm. So Ika is noob or was far away from us, but the magnus in this situation was ok :P
Anything about the archer skills, nerfs, dmg, etc? Or just about the buffs? At this point i can totally understand the guys who hide their stats/buffs/skillbar. Now i know they have nothing to hide, but that way they can avoid useless offtopic conversations :P
Quote from: sirSethan on June 26, 2011, 07:18:38 PM
no bug was when they kick u from aod:D
He was one of the most successful leader of the AOD, but u cant be the member of that clan. That is not bug too :P
They should better nerf daggers and CP reuse time (now is too fast :P ) :)
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
You have also archer/mage, so your idiot spam in the topic where I/we wanted to make this char better, told everything about your intellectual level.
but i always was beter then u :P
Even if u get xxx wepon u be noob forever :P
Quote from: DKociak on June 22, 2011, 07:50:35 AM
Why i hit ppl for 100 and ppl hitting me for 200000 WHY?!!! GOD TELL ME WHYYYY!!!!!???????? Im know im "noob" but WHY!!!???
100 ppl hitting u for 20k dmg..!! I'll tell you what to do----->Just Leave ;D ;D ;D ::)
Quote from: WhiteJack on June 26, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
100 ppl hitting u for 20k dmg..!! I'll tell you what to do----->Just Leave ;D ;D ;D ::)
For some people it is way to hard to stay in the topic, regarding archers, anythig with the proper buffs is almost ivinsible againts any archer, even in low s grade.
We are all waiting for an official reply from the gm team, what are they going to do regardig this "fix" as they call it.
Thanks
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
dude on bladestorm mage ve 200 m atk he wont hit u for more than 20 either and its few second dance so stop kurwa cry lol . gaimardi hit me for 5k and he s archer other archers hit kinda hard too compared to hellbound . and i doubt u hit so low.
Quote from: jygh on June 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
dude on bladestorm mage ve 200 m atk he wont hit u for more than 20 either and its few second dance so stop kurwa cry lol . gaimardi hit me for 5k and he s archer other archers hit kinda hard too compared to hellbound . and i doubt u hit so low.
nerf archers more!
Quote from: Enerilla on June 26, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Just wonder, how stacking mastery gonna help you against Bladestorm dance ?
Quote from: sirSethan on June 26, 2011, 07:18:38 PM
no bug was when they kick u from aod:D
i was kicked from AOD ? :o but sure u have mroe info about my and AOD relation then me :D
Quote from: jygh on June 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
dude on bladestorm mage ve 200 m atk he wont hit u for more than 20 either and its few second dance so stop kurwa cry lol . gaimardi hit me for 5k and he s archer other archers hit kinda hard too compared to hellbound . and i doubt u hit so low.
Dont compare Gaimardi to normal archers. I believe there were mutants or well equipped archers, but we are talking about average fighte/mage combos (and i was talking especially he/pp), so i do not understand how is Gaimardi connected to the topic.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 27, 2011, 02:35:29 PM
Dont compare Gaimardi to normal archers. I believe there were mutants or well equipped archers, but we are talking about average fighte/mage combos (and i was talking especially he/pp), so i do not understand how is Gaimardi connected to the topic.
Agreed, he is editted!
Quote from: Defoe on June 27, 2011, 01:26:08 PM
Just wonder, how stacking mastery gonna help you against Bladestorm dance ?
I know well, that there is no help against bladestorm, BUT!
Defoe, let me to cite u and after it i hope u can answer for your question, cos u were who told the archer resist buff doesnt matter:
Quote from: Defoe on June 26, 2011, 11:42:41 AMWhy each time you wine about anty archer/fighters buffs wich L2 got during last content patches and totally forgot also about debuffs wich in right hands can increase fighters DMG to insane rates ?
Quote from: Enerilla on June 27, 2011, 02:40:32 PM
I know well, that there is no help against bladestorm, BUT!
Defoe, let me to cite u and after it i hope u can answer for your question, cos u were who told the archer resist buff doesnt matter:
use noise
Quote from: jygh on June 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
dude on bladestorm mage ve 200 m atk he wont hit u for more than 20 either and its few second dance so stop kurwa cry lol . gaimardi hit me for 5k and he s archer other archers hit kinda hard too compared to hellbound . and i doubt u hit so low.
I know well, that mages dont use bladestorm just in some special case and i wasnt "cry" about bladestorm. I wrote it 3 times what i wanted with that screenshot, if u cant understand, then no sense i explaining it to u. On the other side if the bladestorm would be the only one archer rasitant thing in this game, nobody would cry cos of nerfing archers skills, p.attack and attack speed... But u are right, lets weaken the fighter/mage combos just because a phantom ranger/warlord mutant or what the fok gaimardi was hits u hard. Bravo for your thinking, that shows everything...
Quote from: G4rro on June 27, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
He is PR/HE/WL/WK . Also ive heard that he got some DESTRO self buffs for p atk . Its totally edited char .
Ahh, i see. I understand the reason at last why HE/PP needs nerf so much ;)
ps: but i think its just urban legend
Quote from: Tabbox on June 27, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
who said!
You are a famous nub!!!!
But the truth its u suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Quote from: G4rro on June 27, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
He is PR/HE/WL/WK . Also ive heard that he got some DESTRO self buffs for p atk . Its totally edited char .
What about penis? There are rumors that he got one from a black guy... Now Gaimmardi has colossal 0.5 m+ !
Quote from: G4rro on June 27, 2011, 05:54:23 PM
infact i dont care about his penis but mby u do ;)
BTW why are you still here? Why do you care so much about that server?
"Bored of L2 . Pernamently retired and switched to another game .
kk thx bb"
so kk thx bb and close the door.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 27, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
a phantom ranger/warlord mutant or what the fok gaimardi was hits u hard. Bravo for your thinking, that shows everything...
u know all mutants 85 were deleted yes? and "average" archers hit for 1.5-2.5k so i doubt is so low since they crt like 7/10
Quote from: PolSilv3r on June 27, 2011, 05:35:44 PM
What about penis? There are rumors that he got one from a black guy... Now Gaimmardi has colossal 0.5 m+ !
there are rumors that u sux so much as archer and u can just spam on forum...
Quote from: G4rro on June 27, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
btw why are you still attention whore ? I've heard that you can only write posts , instead of playing .
(http://i54.tinypic.com/290zwht.jpg)
Best defense is an attack? :)
Good! You learn so fast! :D
Quote from: Tabbox on June 27, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
there are rumors that u sux so much as archer and u can just spam on forum...
You are no1, no1 man!
Now show me what you got :)
u are so pro indeed...not!
last time i've seen u at any pvp/siege u ate 4/5k from me or any my clan mate, this is a fact.
oh well i forgot urs 11k post on forum! godman what a well know player! too bad that in game u worh a shit.
now show me what u got behind urs 11k post.
Quote from: jygh on June 27, 2011, 08:42:32 PM
u know all mutants 85 were deleted yes? and "average" archers hit for 1.5-2.5k so i doubt is so low since they crt like 7/10
Why the fok u think every ppl is stupid and doesnt know so trivial things like that? YOU mentioned him as an example for archers dmg and now u ask me if i know he is deleted? My question about him was: HOW THE FOK IS A PR/WL MUTANT CONNECTED TO A FIGHTER/MAGE TOPIC? AND YOUR ANSWER WAS "U KNOW THEY ARE DELETED?" Omg, man, do not use the forum if u are using drogs. And i stoped at this point cos I do not want problem in our ally... Pls, dont waste time with answering, i will skip your posts.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 27, 2011, 09:30:56 PM
Why the fok u think every ppl is stupid and doesnt know so trivial things like that? YOU mentioned him as an example for archers dmg and now u ask me if i know he is deleted? My question about him was: HOW THE FOK IS A PR/WL MUTANT CONNECTED TO A FIGHTER/MAGE TOPIC? AND YOUR ANSWER WAS "U KNOW THEY ARE DELETED?" Omg, man, do not use the forum if u are using drogs. And i stoped at this point cos I do not want problem in our ally... Pls, dont waste time with answering, i will skip your posts.
just for info i'm he/glad :)
Quote from: Tabbox on June 27, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
just for info i'm he/glad :)
u arent fighter/mage, so irrelevant in the warrior/mage pattack topic ;)
Quote from: Enerilla on June 27, 2011, 09:35:34 PM
u arent fighter/mage, so irrelevant in the warrior/mage pattack topic ;)
indeed :D
anyway i have a question for u,u wanna same patck as a fighter/fighter and u can even buff urself?
i'm just wondering why u are crying now, after they fix again masteries, and not in hb when ur stats was the same..
Lets go back to the main post, to the main topic and the main question to the gm team.
Do you call this a fix?
Each sucblass combo has is own advantages and disvantages, the problem here is that you have literally disabled one subclass benefits over the stacked subclass.
This is not a balance, this is not a fix, this is deleting one subclass advantage entirely.
Warrior+Warrior got some benefits, Tank+Warrior as well, Tank+Mages obviously another sort of benefits.
But the question is
Since all the players here at DNET are allowed to have 1 buffer as support character, what are the benefits of a mage+warrior?, literally speaking of prophet+warrior?
The best you can do to balance the server is give back at 50% the p atk of the "stacked" weapon mastery.
Quote from: R3mm on June 27, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
Lets go back to the main post, to the main topic and the main question to the gm team.
Do you call this a fix?
Each sucblass combo has is own advantages and disvantages, the problem here is that you have literally disabled one subclass benefits over the stacked subclass.
This is not a balance, this is not a fix, this is deleting one subclass advantage entirely.
Warrior+Warrior got some benefits, Tank+Warrior as well, Tank+Mages obviously another sort of benefits.
But the question is
Since all the players here at DNET are allowed to have 1 buffer as support character, what are the benefits of a mage+warrior?, literally speaking of prophet+warrior?
The best you can do to balance the server is give back at 50% the p atk of the "stacked" weapon mastery.
You ppl dont learn right ? First of all, the benefit of warrior/buffer like he/pp means you can take on back box combo buffer/buffer and have fullbuff (nearly ) so invalid crying argument from you guys.
In pvp most box means nothing and are just one hit coz of low equipment (not all guys have box in dnet and box is never as good as live player) so they're means nothing in pvp comapred to any player, in pvp matter this fokin he/pp so he can support his pt and himself, this itself is a reason for this sub, if you dont understand this and dont want be partialy support just pvp ownzor you should take warrior sub and dont cry here bout your bad choise.
nec/pp or sorc/pp also dont get so much from pp sub to the m atk ro other shits, beign support itself is advantage for them and their pt
They "fixed" masteries warrior/mage but why not also "fix" skills of warrior...
Right now warrior skills are nerfedbadly, like frenzy,bison.
You are funny ppl.
I remember first DN forum, was full of cry also.
Some things never change.
I play 1 char 5+ years (earlier played a bit 2 others, before maked this one).
In those 5+ years I never switched and cryied on forum how my char is weak. Even if was nerfed and sux hard.
90 % of our balance problems was always couse of YOUR crying. Ppl cry - admins try fix, change etc....and more tings is fuked.
When You get killed in game Your dk getting smaller or smth ?
Stacked weapon masteries was fuked. And very good than deleted it (earlier it also was deleted). But ofc for every pr0's it's funny when he play CS and have tank for 2 hits (or 1 if good crit)
Quote from: lasombra on June 28, 2011, 09:34:33 AM
You are funny ppl.
I remember first DN forum, was full of cry also.
Some things never change.
I play 1 char 5+ years (earlier played a bit 2 others, before maked this one).
In those 5+ years I never switched and cryied on forum how my char is weak. Even if was nerfed and sux hard.
90 % of our balance problems was always couse of YOUR crying. Ppl cry - admins try fix, change etc....and more tings is fuked.
When You get killed in game Your dk getting smaller or smth ?
Stacked weapon masteries was fuked. And very good than deleted it (earlier it also was deleted). But ofc for every pr0's it's funny when he play CS and have tank for 2 hits (or 1 if good crit)
not all players are as mature as you and me fel. :)
anyway, does sh/bd have anti magic from sh + magic resistance from bd? if yes, one of them should be removed. armor mastery from sh + armor mastery from bd? fast mana recovery from sh + focus mind from bd?
dont take this as attack on you, or your class, im sure there are many "passive stacking" issues across most subclass combos. using the warrior/mage patk "fix" analogy, they should either remove all issues, or dont touch any.
Quote from: Lopes on June 28, 2011, 10:16:16 AM
not all players are as mature as you and me fel. :)
anyway, does sh/bd have anti magic from sh + magic resistance from bd? if yes, one of them should be removed. armor mastery from sh + armor mastery from bd? fast mana recovery from sh + focus mind from bd?
dont take this as attack on you, or your class, im sure there are many "passive stacking" issues across most subclass combos. using the warrior/mage patk "fix" analogy, they should either remove all issues, or dont touch any.
anti magic and magic resistance do not stack. It was stack long time ago for some short time and it was great xD
About mana recovery and focus mind....dunno. My mana recovery is so low, than I doubt (and all skills enchanted)
Armor mastery - not stack (there are different masteries for armor anyway)
Anyway. Mana recovery is a bit different than archer\mage hitting tank for 10k.
cheers Lopes ;)
Quote from: Tabbox on June 27, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
indeed :D
anyway i have a question for u,u wanna same patck as a fighter/fighter and u can even buff urself?
i'm just wondering why u are crying now, after they fix again masteries, and not in hb when ur stats was the same..
U know well, that our stats were not the same at all! Or if u tell yours are the same, then u are really edited :P
I know masteries were fixed in the HB, but we lost attackspeed and pattack in gracia, while our targets got pdef now. So all i want to tell, the archers are weaker and weaker, the targets are stronger and stonger after every chronical change, so if they do not fok archers deliberately, then here is the time to have another think about our fully nerfed or badly working archer skills or the necessity of the archers (mainly archer supports) nerfs. I think if there will be tons of he/pal instead of he/pp that would not be good for our "haters" too.
And pls, dont talk about selfbuff in this case, when every ppl can use dual buffer it is not an advantage at all. :)
Quote from: lasombra on June 28, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
Anyway. Mana recovery is a bit different than archer\mage hitting tank for 10k.
I wanna see this archer and tank who u are talking about, Feli. An average archer cant hit a mage with 10K, not a tank in heavy, with deflect arrow, with many shield and pdef skill. I dont wanna tell u its a lie, but hard to belive. Maybe there are 1-2 archer on the server like that, but is that reasonable to nerf 100 players cos of 1-2? i think not.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 12:40:54 PM
I know masteries were fixed in the HB, but we lost attackspeed and pattack in gracia, while our targets got pdef now. So all i want to tell, the archers are weaker and weaker, the targets are stronger and stonger after every chronical change, so if they do not fok archers deliberately, then here is the time to have another think about our fully nerfed or badly working archer skills or the necessity of the archers (and archer supports) nerfs. I think if there will be tons of he/pal instead of he/pp that would not be good for our "haters" too.
And pls, dont talk about selfbuff in this case, when every ppl can use dual buffer it is not an advantage at all. :)
If you dont understand the improtance of your char as buffer and the fact its way better than any dual (live player always better than dual.. ), that your he/pp always will be prefered in pt than any other he/xx coz you can buff them, then you made big mistake subbing your char, if wanted fully dd char then you rly should reroll to this he/pal or he/wl and al others cryers warrior/buffers too and stop crying here if you dont understand what kind of char you made (the same goes to nukers/buffers btw )
dd/buffer (no matter mage or fighter ) should be actualy weaker than other dd/dd on same buff, for the same reason why buffer/buffer isnt for killing other players... if you made dd/dd you made it to get stronger in actual fight, if you made dd/buffer you made it to still fight but also buff others, not to get stronger in actual fight, buffer/buffer i think is obvious... its like ee/es crying that he cant kill in normal pvp.... plain stupid ppl :D
Quote from: 0l3j on June 28, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
If you dont understand the improtance of your char as buffer and the fact its way better than any dual (live player always better than dual.. ), that your he/pp always will be prefered in pt than any other he/xx coz you can buff them, then you made big mistake subbing your char, if wanted fully dd char then you rly should reroll to this he/pal or he/wl and al others cryers warrior/buffers too and stop crying here if you dont understand what kind of char you made (the same goes to nukers/buffers btw )
3 things.
1. i do know the importance of my char, but if u do so, why do u want to fok it?
2. where did u see i want a full dd char? I want working skills, and balance in nerf after we lost pattack cos the talisman, and attack speed cos the icarus nerf!
3. I wish u had no more working skills as an archer has and i wish u had so much nerfed skill what an archer has and if u would try to talk about it, i will suggest u reroll and and will call u cryer!
Nielin. Argue have no sense at all.
All knows than stacked masteries was fuked. Remember first mass pvp in gracia ? It was like CS. Remember how many ppl joined pvp before this fix ? Almoust 0...and why ? Answer was only 1 " I do mot go, till they do not fix it" Remember ?
Dont tell me archers are week pls..I pvp against archers everyday, they are not weak.
Stacked masteries was also deleted in past when we changed chronicle, so just all back to normall. All classes have deleted it.
ps1. this tank was bp/pal. Nick is no matter.
ps2. ussles discussion.
ps3. posting from mobile sux.
Quote from: lasombra on June 28, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
Nielin. Argue have no sense at all.
All knows than stacked masteries was fuked. Remember first mass pvp in gracia ? It was like CS. Remember how many ppl joined pvp before this fix ? Almoust 0...and why ? Answer was only 1 " I do mot go, till they do not fix it" Remember ?
Dont tell me archers are week pls..I pvp against archers everyday, they are not weak.
Stacked masteries was also deleted in past when we changed chronicle, so just all back to normall. All classes have deleted it.
ps1. this tank was bp/pal. Nick is no matter.
ps2. ussles discussion.
ps3. posting from mobile sux.
But as u could see i dont talk only about the fix. Could u tell me why do they have to nerf all of our skills too?
ur attack speed "nerf" wasnt only cos of icarus "nerf". its cos of gracia where all fighter class have attack speed limit. i dont think so archers so week aswell, and with those stacking masteries u had insane patk... why u want same patk like a glad/he fe. ? and anyway with every cronicle there are changes with u can live or not.
which skill is nerfed so much compare to HB ?
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 01:20:07 PM
But as u could see i dont talk only about the fix. Could u tell me why do they have to nerf all of our skills too?
lol ? what u talkin ?:D Me skils works corectly. stun works, hamstring also (with really big chances to on)
All works corectly exept 1. Sometimes is very big diffrence in dmg. ppl on this same buff with this same equipt and one time hit 200-400 and somtimes 6-7k :o
Quote from: jygh on June 27, 2011, 08:42:32 PM
u know all mutants 85 were deleted yes?
sad to say but no. not all was deleted :D :D
Quote from: ylim on June 28, 2011, 01:23:56 PM
ur attack speed "nerf" wasnt only cos of icarus "nerf". its cos of gracia where all fighter class have attack speed limit. i dont think so archers so week aswell, and with those stacking masteries u had insane patk... why u want same patk like a glad/he fe. ? and anyway with every cronicle there are changes with u can live or not.
which skill is nerfed so much compare to HB ?
Not compared to HB, these all are old nerfs from C4. Ubi, i try talk about a long process. Archers lost attack speed, pattack (so got weaker), the targets can reach higher stats (got stronger). As u said every chronicle brought some changes what we should accept. But after 3-4 years why cant we talk about f.e. the nerfed skills? Ok, lets tell that in the old days the hamstring shot was overpowered, but now, with its 300 crit dmg and 0,0001 landrate it isnt. Why cant we have another think about these skills?
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
Ok, lets tell that in the old days the hamstring shot was overpowered, but now, with its 300 crit dmg and 0,0001 landrate it isnt. Why cant we have another think about these skills?
omg u talk bullsh1ts this skill works coretly. it should give slow not fokin dmg lol
Quote from: sirSethan on June 28, 2011, 01:39:29 PM
omg u talk bullsh1ts this skill works coretly. it should give slow not fokin dmg lol
get lost idiot, dont u realize that u are speaking against your own character just to flame me? And after this idiot post u ask me in PM about skills. Lol, monkey...
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
3 things.
1. i do know the importance of my char, but if u do so, why do u want to fok it?
2. where did u see i want a full dd char? I want working skills, and balance in nerf after we lost pattack cos the talisman, and attack speed cos the icarus nerf!
3. I wish u had no more working skills as an archer has and i wish u had so much nerfed skill what an archer has and if u would try to talk about it, i will suggest u reroll and and will call u cryer!
1.Sorry but you're retarded if you dont understand you're half support you cant have bigger dmg than he/glad ....
2. Crying about those masteries you clearly show you should rerol to other char
And your last post just show you dont want fair changes you want just own, so rly gl hf crying :)
3.I had lots of not working skills and didt cry as much as you so :*
Also stop crying over the icarus it was inevitable change... Talismans ? Tal for mana reg was also greatly nerfed without recharger i'm without mana in no time and so i'm foked then. Atk spd ? I lost another time my cast, i could easly go toto 3k... but i just rearanged my char to go more for m atk If i make limit with ease...
Bout skill dont know so i have no opinion on this one, but this stakcing mastery are ok now.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
get lost idiot, dont u realize that u are speaking against your own character just to flame me? And after this idiot post u ask me in PM about skills. Lol, monkey...
u are idiot BECOSE ME HE/PP WORKS CORECTLY
Only -500 p atk theni got in HB
If u dont know how to play HE/PP beter change char lol and dont say bullsh1ts that "all dont work"
Skills works good but only p atk on he/pp is low then was in HB nothink else to add
Quote from: sirSethan on June 28, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
u are idiot BECOSE ME HE/PP WORKS CORECTLY
Only -500 p atk theni got in HB
If u dont know how to play HE/PP beter change char lol and dont say bullsh1ts that "all dont work"
Skills works good but only p atk on he/pp is low then was in HB nothink else to add
Then check again your skills mr perfect
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
get lost idiot, dont u realize that u are speaking against your own character just to flame me? And after this idiot post u ask me in PM about skills. Lol, monkey...
So you want fair fixes or just make your char own ? if the latest change sub not game....
God Even Sethan is ok with his char, what big cryer that makes you ?
edit:
Just get used to new situations stop crying , he/pp as part buffer by default shoudnt be super strong.... and i'm quite sure you're not weak :)
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
Then check again your skills mr perfect
i check ask friends from aod and Brokenangelz :D (PhantomUA and malakakakaka or somthing like that :D )
Dunno for what u cry.
BTW gm give back u money for icarus ? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 0l3j on June 28, 2011, 01:57:19 PMyou're retarded if you dont understand you're half support you cant have bigger dmg than he/glad ....
Would u cite me where did i tell i wanna have bigger dmg than he/glad?
Olej, i really thought we can have a conversation without calling each other tard in the same clan. :S
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Olej, i really thought we can have a conversation without calling each other tard in the same clan. :S
hahahah ;D
i can use better signature :P
Quote from: Enerilla on June 28, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Would u cite me where did i tell i wanna have bigger dmg than he/glad?
Olej, i really thought we can have a conversation without calling each other tard in the same clan. :S
Cryer is Cryer dont care if the same clan :)
Did anyone crying for nerfed icarus bow even checked atack speed with 1500? I checked it on SR with clean shining bow and it was shuting like foc.king AK-47.
Quote from: 0l3j on June 28, 2011, 02:46:43 PM
Cryer is Cryer dont care if the same clan :)
and tard... i see
Yes, the guy who still talks the same even when ppl told him he is wrong and cant be reasoned with, is tard
Quote from: 0l3j on June 28, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
Yes, the guy who still talks the same even when ppl told him he is wrong and cant be reasoned with, is tard
perhaps stubborn, but not tard.
all topics ends to be flame topics .... but this is unique
ppl from same clan calling each other tards .... u cross the line somehow ... better close this useless topic
edit :
what i am talking about .... 90% topics are useless , one more + or - don't make any difference
Quote from: cerebelo on June 28, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
all topics ends to be flame topics .... but this is unique
ppl from same clan calling each other tards .... u cross the line somehow ... better close this useless topic
edit :
what i am talking about .... 90% topics are useless , one more + or - don't make any difference
oh pls we're not family we dont have to like each other (we need to just tolerate at least ;p ), and we have more bad words than "tard", hell tard compared to them is nice one :D
And let it be ene, you're stubborn as hell xD (and i'm stubborn one too so no worrie .. )
For some people "most of you" it is very hard to stay in the topic, probably because you guys were not the ones who payed a lot of real money for your characters, maybe daddy or mommy bough it for you but that is not the case here.
The point here is that we have to applouse the GM TEAM for trying to balance the server which in my opinion is the best thing to do.
I created this topic because I care about the server, because I would continue to donate as many other players have but I have been told by many players, including some heroes verg0, vagner etc. that they would leave the server and stop donating because of this specific fix.
The reason?, well most of us have donated over 250 euros in our characters, our dnets, our bows, our rb jews, our quests, our BOG, our skills, and from nowhere, the reason of why we choosen an specific subclass is now gone, from nowhere our p atk is equal to a non subbed character.
To be specific, GM Team, take this into consideration:
1. Give back weapon mastery p atk in 50%
2. Reduce / Balance the element attribute system that it so messed up
3. Reduce the shield defense and rate
4. Reduce the effect of Anti Archers song & dance.
5. And most important, create yourself some characters and test by your own so stop listening to pathetic people complaing about everything.6. Complaining about weapon masteery is not pathetic as in fact it is not an stack, It is a passive skill from one subclas plus the passive skill from the other one.
We care about the server, we care about the community, lets put in numbers, how many people do you see online in a daily basis comparing it before the update and these "fixes"", if you do see more people then Please disregard my topic and close it.
PS: I Wish I had the rights to delete many comments but I dont, so please hold your finger and think it twice before posting another comment, please wait on the Official respondse from any GM/Admin. Thanks for understanding.
Quote from: R3mm on June 28, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
For some people "most of you" it is very hard to stay in the topic, probably because you guys were not the ones who payed a lot of real money for your characters, maybe daddy or mommy bough it for you but that is not the case here.
The point here is that we have to applouse the GM TEAM for trying to balance the server which in my opinion is the best thing to do.
I created this topic because I care about the server, because I would continue to donate as many other players have but I have been told by many players, including some heroes verg0, vagner etc. that they would leave the server and stop donating because of this specific fix.
The reason?, well most of us have donated over 250 euros in our characters, our dnets, our bows, our rb jews, our quests, our BOG, our skills, and from nowhere, the reason of why we choosen an specific subclass is now gone, from nowhere our p atk is equal to a non subbed character.
To be specific, GM Team, take this into consideration:
1. Give back weapon mastery p atk in 50%
2. Reduce / Balance the element attribute system that it so messed up
3. Reduce the shield defense and rate
4. Reduce the effect of Anti Archers song & dance.
5. And most important, create yourself some characters and test by your own so stop listening to pathetic people complaing about everything.6. Complaining about weapon masteery is not pathetic as in fact it is not an stack, It is a passive skill from one subclas plus the passive skill from the other one.
We care about the server, we care about the community, lets put in numbers, how many people do you see online in a daily basis comparing it before the update and these "fixes"", if you do see more people then Please disregard my topic and close it.
PS: I Wish I had the rights to delete many comments but I dont, so please hold your finger and think it twice before posting another comment, please wait on the Official respondse from any GM/Admin. Thanks for understanding.
man, you are hard to give up
read announcements for your "Official response from GM/Admin Team"
Weapon masterys FIXED.
EOT.
Quote from: R3mm on June 28, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
For some people "most of you" it is very hard to stay in the topic, probably because you guys were not the ones who payed a lot of real money for your characters, maybe daddy or mommy bough it for you but that is not the case here.
The point here is that we have to applouse the GM TEAM for trying to balance the server which in my opinion is the best thing to do.
I created this topic because I care about the server, because I would continue to donate as many other players have but I have been told by many players, including some heroes verg0, vagner etc. that they would leave the server and stop donating because of this specific fix.
The reason?, well most of us have donated over 250 euros in our characters, our dnets, our bows, our rb jews, our quests, our BOG, our skills, and from nowhere, the reason of why we choosen an specific subclass is now gone, from nowhere our p atk is equal to a non subbed character.
To be specific, GM Team, take this into consideration:
1. Give back weapon mastery p atk in 50%
2. Reduce / Balance the element attribute system that it so messed up
3. Reduce the shield defense and rate
4. Reduce the effect of Anti Archers song & dance.
5. And most important, create yourself some characters and test by your own so stop listening to pathetic people complaing about everything.6. Complaining about weapon masteery is not pathetic as in fact it is not an stack, It is a passive skill from one subclas plus the passive skill from the other one.
We care about the server, we care about the community, lets put in numbers, how many people do you see online in a daily basis comparing it before the update and these "fixes"", if you do see more people then Please disregard my topic and close it.
PS: I Wish I had the rights to delete many comments but I dont, so please hold your finger and think it twice before posting another comment, please wait on the Official respondse from any GM/Admin. Thanks for understanding.
Sry but from what i see you only care bout your char, not over all balance, and I understand you, but this is how it is, live with it.
edit: Guys if you made this sub for this buged mastery wich was fixed long time ago and now was just refixed again, you made wrong choise...
You are hallf buffers, half dd, you cant have dmg as full dd subed char and selfbuff to this....
p.s No one care how much you donated here, rly, I'm sure there are plenty guys who will donate, so few less makes no diference, threating abut donators leaving is pathetic :)
Quote from: R3mm on June 28, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
For some people "most of you" it is very hard to stay in the topic, probably because you guys were not the ones who payed a lot of real money for your characters, maybe daddy or mommy bough it for you but that is not the case here.
The point here is that we have to applouse the GM TEAM for trying to balance the server which in my opinion is the best thing to do.
I created this topic because I care about the server, because I would continue to donate as many other players have but I have been told by many players, including some heroes verg0, vagner etc. that they would leave the server and stop donating because of this specific fix.
The reason?, well most of us have donated over 250 euros in our characters, our dnets, our bows, our rb jews, our quests, our BOG, our skills, and from nowhere, the reason of why we choosen an specific subclass is now gone, from nowhere our p atk is equal to a non subbed character.
To be specific, GM Team, take this into consideration:
1. Give back weapon mastery p atk in 50%
2. Reduce / Balance the element attribute system that it so messed up
3. Reduce the shield defense and rate
4. Reduce the effect of Anti Archers song & dance.
5. And most important, create yourself some characters and test by your own so stop listening to pathetic people complaing about everything.6. Complaining about weapon masteery is not pathetic as in fact it is not an stack, It is a passive skill from one subclas plus the passive skill from the other one.
We care about the server, we care about the community, lets put in numbers, how many people do you see online in a daily basis comparing it before the update and these "fixes"", if you do see more people then Please disregard my topic and close it.
PS: I Wish I had the rights to delete many comments but I dont, so please hold your finger and think it twice before posting another comment, please wait on the Official respondse from any GM/Admin. Thanks for understanding.
im archer and im happy from me char but if u really wanna this i dont say no.
And i agree with atribute system sh + wind = to big dmg now
And they write it is fixed but its not like in hellbound (still we are - 600 p atk)
Quote from: R3mm on June 28, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
For some people "most of you" it is very hard to stay in the topic, probably because you guys were not the ones who payed a lot of real money for your characters, maybe daddy or mommy bough it for you but that is not the case here.
The point here is that we have to applouse the GM TEAM for trying to balance the server which in my opinion is the best thing to do.
I created this topic because I care about the server, because I would continue to donate as many other players have but I have been told by many players, including some heroes verg0, vagner etc. that they would leave the server and stop donating because of this specific fix.
The reason?, well most of us have donated over 250 euros in our characters, our dnets, our bows, our rb jews, our quests, our BOG, our skills, and from nowhere, the reason of why we choosen an specific subclass is now gone, from nowhere our p atk is equal to a non subbed character.
To be specific, GM Team, take this into consideration:
1. Give back weapon mastery p atk in 50%
2. Reduce / Balance the element attribute system that it so messed up
3. Reduce the shield defense and rate
4. Reduce the effect of Anti Archers song & dance.
5. And most important, create yourself some characters and test by your own so stop listening to pathetic people complaing about everything.6. Complaining about weapon masteery is not pathetic as in fact it is not an stack, It is a passive skill from one subclas plus the passive skill from the other one.
We care about the server, we care about the community, lets put in numbers, how many people do you see online in a daily basis comparing it before the update and these "fixes"", if you do see more people then Please disregard my topic and close it.
PS: I Wish I had the rights to delete many comments but I dont, so please hold your finger and think it twice before posting another comment, please wait on the Official respondse from any GM/Admin. Thanks for understanding.
and i ask again you agree to loose 20% atkspd and -8 accuracy on bow from working magician movement and weapon mastery as should in order to have back the % patk from weapon mastery? if yes is ok from me but i guess daggers will hate you for this :D
Quote from: sirSethan on June 28, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
im archer and im happy from me char but if u really wanna this i dont say no.
And i agree with atribute system sh + wind = to big dmg now
And they write it is fixed but its not like in hellbound (still we are - 600 p atk)
use proper buffs - I didn't saw any CB or other players complain about sh's dmg ;)
better check how great now work sps/sorc cancel :D
1 week playing my uber he/pp and now im again he with nerfed att power ,casting, nerfedarmor mastery.... jsut piece of shit he with pp buff ;D
btw. 18k p att and i hit bp/pal for 50 normal and 200 crits? ballance indeed balance.... ;D
Quote from: KaSaNoWa on June 29, 2011, 02:29:45 AM
btw. 18k p att and i hit bp/pal for 50 normal and 200 crits? ballance indeed balance.... ;D
18k ??? even with bow +18 u cant get this p atk :D (i tested +16 and i got 12k max)
ON th/DA (synapse anti star of aod) i hit max 900 dmg (he got pp/bd buff)
Ale i tak tadmiorwi cryty wlazily :P
Quote from: sirSethan on June 29, 2011, 06:11:21 AM
18k ??? even with bow +18 u cant get this p atk :D (i tested +16 and i got 12k max)
ON th/DA (synapse anti star of aod) i hit max 900 dmg (he got pp/bd buff)
Ale i tak tadmiorwi cryty wlazily :P
Attribute system is extreamly unbalanced, 300 def on any attribute will always kill your 9k p atk and 450 attribute attack, it will decrease the damage in over 100%.
Just tested againts an archer that has FIre lvl9, 1500 dmg with 330 fire def, 3800 damage having 20 fire def.
Just tested againts a mage, 300 earth def vs my 450 earth attack, queen cat, 7k p atk, dances, pots, etc etc average critical damage 400-500, he was using songs,pph and self buff "not even dances", character name: drkeen
Some other archers hit him for over 3k since he got low attribute defense that I wont reveal. (ofc not DB+F+10 users), Archers with Vesper+10+ and passive pvp p atk
Quote from: eagleye on June 29, 2011, 12:19:12 AM
use proper buffs - I didn't saw any CB or other players complain about sh's dmg ;)
better check how great now work sps/sorc cancel :D
:o :o
Quote from: DKociak on June 29, 2011, 09:00:20 PM
eee???...on pp baf coz i have only Pp to baf...and trust me on full buf it will little difrent mofo so dont be so happy
i was on self:P and u can trust me on full buff u dont be so happy :D
Quote from: sirSethan on June 30, 2011, 10:56:23 AM
i was on self:P and u can trust me on full buff u dont be so happy :D
Sethan, Go back to your Poké Ball!
;D
Quote from: PolSilv3r on June 30, 2011, 12:17:49 PM
Sethan, Go back to your Poké Ball!
;D
me poke ball (Dkociak) make today bless soe on Varka :(
Im saaaad :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: sirSethan on June 30, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
me poke ball (Dkociak) make today bless soe on Varka :(
Im saaaad :'( :'( :'( :'(
And you wont ever accept a single war.
im saaaaaad :'(
Quote from: FeelmyBow on June 30, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
And you wont ever accept a single war.
im saaaaaad :'(
i said we dont accept noob war with bot clans.. join aod or other FTP clan and show how u are pro
Quote from: sirSethan on June 30, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
i said we dont accept noob war with bot clans.. join aod or other FTP clan and show how u are pro
Yes im sure its that. Thank god your post count on forum is bigger then your pvp score.
Quote from: FeelmyBow on June 30, 2011, 04:08:33 PM
Yes im sure its that. Thank god your post count on forum is bigger then your pvp score.
Mine is for sure :(
Quote from: FeelmyBow on June 30, 2011, 04:08:33 PM
Yes im sure its that. Thank god your post count on forum is bigger then your pvp score.
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Anyway i got somthing 6-7k pvp on al chars:P
Last time i play this char 1 year ago and im not typical frag hunter.
I mean i dont hit random ppl who are flagged like u 8)
Quote from: sirSethan on July 01, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
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Anyway i got somthing 6-7k pvp on al chars:P
Last time i play this char 1 year ago and im not typical frag hunter.
I mean i dont hit random ppl who are flagged like u 8)
bot delevel :P