I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
1ee/es or ee/sws and I don't have right to move on dagger :) those doesnt even have anti magic armor or runes or rings and you qq? good luck in 2weeks :) there are so many ways to fk up that mele piece of shts its not even funny
Quote from: mruwqa on July 07, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
1ee/es or ee/sws and I don't have right to move on dagger :) those doesnt even have anti magic armor or runes or rings and you qq? good luck in 2weeks :) there are so many ways to fk up that mele piece of shts its not even funny
I dont talk about pvp they are normal, but pt daggers on rb`s schuldnt kill rb so easy. Speccial when there is lack of atribut stones for now.
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
I dont talk about pvp they are normal, but pt daggers on rb`s schuldnt kill rb so easy. Speccial when there is lack of atribut stones for now.
Who told you this? :D
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
I dont talk about pvp they are normal, but pt daggers on rb`s schuldnt kill rb so easy. Speccial when there is lack of atribut stones for now.
???? every S gun on server is 150 already ... or at least close to
Quote from: stanko on July 07, 2017, 05:18:16 PM
Who told you this? :D
Just fire/whater others from npc im wrong?
Earth/wind are also aviable, only holy/dark are missing
Quote from: somasz on July 07, 2017, 05:42:59 PM
Earth/wind are also aviable, only holy/dark are missing
actually u can go for dark stones but its not that easy :)
Quote from: mruwqa on July 07, 2017, 05:54:57 PM
actually u can go for dark stones but its not that easy :)
how it is possible? Some explolit? ;D
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
how it is possible? Some explolit? ;D
google it. no wonder u complain about stuff when u dont have knowledge to fight it.
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
how it is possible? Some explolit? ;D
Reward coins genius.
Quote from: mruwqa on July 07, 2017, 06:01:19 PM
google it. no wonder u complain about stuff when u dont have knowledge to fight it.
good luck googling information about 10y old update of a game that is still being updated regularly today.
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good luck googling information about 10y old update of a game that is still being updated regularly today.
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^^ ;D
Quote from: pmkaboo on July 07, 2017, 10:02:49 PM
good luck googling information about 10y old update of a game that is still being updated regularly today.
http://legacy.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_01.html some websites are also 10years old and nothing changed here, well whatever, u can get any stones from drop w/o hellbound open. eot. +reward coins
Quote from: mruwqa on July 08, 2017, 09:50:40 AM
http://legacy.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_01.html some websites are also 10years old and nothing changed here, well whatever, u can get any stones from drop w/o hellbound open. eot. +reward coins
there is absolutely no mention of attribute stones in the hellbound section, and the kamael section just tells you that they exist and what they do. so yeah, again, good luck finding info about this.
Quote from: pmkaboo on July 08, 2017, 04:38:20 PM
there is absolutely no mention of attribute stones in the hellbound section, and the kamael section just tells you that they exist and what they do. so yeah, again, good luck finding info about this.
^^ :D
https://droplist.dragon-network.net/item?name=%5Bore_of_fire%5D&server_id=0&from_level=0&id=0
don't even google
Quote from: zuul on July 09, 2017, 09:38:59 AM
https://droplist.dragon-network.net/item?name=%5Bore_of_fire%5D&server_id=0&from_level=0&id=0
don't even google
thanks, but the discussion is about dark/divine stones (https://droplist.dragon-network.net/item?name=%5Bore_of_holy%5D&server_id=1&from_level=0&id=0), i only skimmed the list but i didnt see any non-hb mob there, feel free to point it out for me. also, i would repeat myself again, but im starting to feel stupid.
Quote from: pmkaboo on July 09, 2017, 12:03:34 PM
thanks, but the discussion is about dark/divine stones (https://droplist.dragon-network.net/item?name=%5Bore_of_holy%5D&server_id=1&from_level=0&id=0), i only skimmed the list but i didnt see any non-hb mob there, feel free to point it out for me. also, i would repeat myself again, but im starting to feel stupid.
there are instances on iop in which some of this mobs are
Quote from: Peorexo on July 09, 2017, 12:26:20 PM
there are instances on iop in which some of this mobs are
wow thanks, now i only have to go kill a hundred of every mob on iop to find the one with divine stones :D
Feed the dragon. Or is it for other stones?
Quote from: Tessellate on July 09, 2017, 01:45:58 PM
Feed the dragon. Or is it for other stones?
I think its water stones
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
+1
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
I agree with you. Daggers have too much dmg or too much chance for lethal. One of this should be decrease.
But in my opinion only damge from blows should be decrease. Chance for lethal is so high, and should be enought.
I understand scary and others daggers( if i'm playin op class i will try spam and find many ways to say others: "no, daggers is rly low, and damage around 5k is not good") , but be fair to others. Daggers are the best class atm on the server and dmg is too high.
Daggers should have bigger dmg than other classes, they are only chars that must reach close combat + enemys back to make proper dmg.
Any other mage can come and hit you for 8k easily, glad hitting 2k+ with aoe 0cooldown, archers hit hard but hey shiro is killing me on HS with backstab please nerf daggers
Quote from: somasz on July 12, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
Daggers should have bigger dmg than other classes, they are only chars that must reach close combat + enemys back to make proper dmg.
Close combat for dagger/
tank isn't problem, you know it. Remember about lethals, rate of it is high too. Consider it and be fair for other classes.
There are many ways to counter dagger/tank, unless we are talking about meaningless mambo jumbo pvp at hot springs spawn.
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
And what kind of l2 you played for years, where daggers cant kill rb without nukers? Have you played normal low rates where nukers have no work on RBs? Due to me I've never seen server where EVERYBODY has orc for farm and raids.
skilled players made nuker/tank on last Hellraisers = OMFG NERF NUKERS/TANKS THEY ARE TO STRONG
skilled players made dagger/tank on this server = OMFG NERF DAGGERS/TANKS THEY ARE TO STRONG
iks de
Daggers should be able to dish this amount of dmg on robe/light user with proper backstab, dunno why is it even a discussion on this matter here :D
And any proper dagger player will agree that these 1-hp lethals should be removed from the game, but this was never discussed by the GMs, even tho even NCSoft removed this sh1t later on...
Also, P.Atk oriented dagger player can make nice dmg auto attacking with some nice attack speed, I don't see a problem in this as well, so can you elaborate further what's wrong with daggers now? :D
Quote from: Morel on July 12, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
skilled players made nuker/tank on last Hellraisers = OMFG NERF NUKERS/TANKS THEY ARE TO STRONG
skilled players made dagger/tank on this server = OMFG NERF DAGGERS/TANKS THEY ARE TO STRONG
iks de
and on first server I was forced to reroll dagger because 'its useless :D' glad to see that some people learn xD
active wc/ol > boxed wc/wl + dagger without party ::)
xD
Quote from: somasz on July 12, 2017, 10:22:34 PM
active wc/ol > boxed wc/wl + dagger without party ::)
not in your mage pt ofcxD
back to topic
Yes, 1hp lethals should be removed. They encourage to mad facestabbing and hoping for lethal instead of looking for enemies back.
please no, how will i kill ppl then?
Quote from: somasz on July 13, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
back to topic
Yes, 1hp lethals should be removed. They encourage to mad facestabbing and hoping for lethal instead of looking for enemies back.
Great idea!
when you're at it , remove all buff canceling abilities from mages as well, the chance is too high so ppl just keep canceling ( block ww/shield; mage/warrior bane; cancel) untill you have 0 speed buffs and can barelly move. That would make it even, dont you think so?
Buff canceling is so retarded right now , even if a dagger kills a mage, he'll need to go back to town and rebuff. doesnt sound too much of a win for me...
Quote from: dabo on July 13, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Great idea!
when you're at it , remove all buff canceling abilities from mages as well, the chance is too high so ppl just keep canceling ( block ww/shield; mage/warrior bane; cancel) untill you have 0 speed buffs and can barelly move. That would make it even, dont you think so?
Buff canceling is so retarded right now , even if a dagger kills a mage, he'll need to go back to town and rebuff. doesnt sound too much of a win for me...
(http://i.imgur.com/mxxprym.png)
While we give and remove skills, gieb kamaels gracia final skills and reuses and un nerf steal divinity, for the fun of it :P
the entire point of dagger/tank is that u need ACTIVE SUPPORTS to ERASE him:) 1 ee/es or bish/wk u are out :) u wont kill him with F1 mimimiimbr archer, ever
Quote from: mruwqa on July 13, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
the entire point of dagger/tank is that u need ACTIVE SUPPORTS to kill him :) u wont kill him with F1 mimimiimbr archer, ever
Well...
Don't even freakin' mess with daggers.When I played archer ppl qq to nerf archers now when I play dagger ppl qq to nerf daggers...coincidence? :))
Changes were made before server went live so dream on about nerfs, some part of this community always be toxic since years.
And be happy that daggers are not at they're full potential like in c3-c4...
Quote from: reddragonjr on July 14, 2017, 03:55:33 AM
Don't even freakin' mess with daggers.When I played archer ppl qq to nerf archers now when I play dagger ppl qq to nerf daggers...coincidence? :))
Changes were made before server went live so dream on about nerfs, some part of this community always be toxic since years.
And be happy that daggers are not at they're full potential like in c3-c4...
or 1chronicle later where they have freaking Shadow Step n Hide :)
daggers are just as annoying as before, the only difference this time is that every pleb can level up and well equip one, and so theres a ton of them, but since thats a feature of the server, i wouldnt call it a problem exactly.
Quote from: Sanncheeez on July 07, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I got one question to gm`s about daggers, its not qq topic coz everyone can do for himself dagger/tank and pwnz but server iz going to be like one char server, what is i suppose not idea of dragon network coz multiclas its something what makes this server special and multi ideas, but now dagger own pvp/rb/mass pvp/ farm like everything. As i plyed l2 many years i never saw pt daggers who can kill rb whitout nukers, ofc they shuld be good in pvp and its atribute of daggers but for god sake killing rb with daggers pt it make nonsense.
did you know how to use de/ty dont you ?
...
wich idiots told you,thet daggers cannot kill rb?
i play on H5 server and on HB chronicks i farmed rbs with friends on 3 aw/sk and we 3x times faster killed rb then 3 orcs,and orcs have zealot,we killed just with daggers on bufs
Quote from: AGENTZERZ on July 17, 2017, 11:44:02 AM
wich idiots told you,thet daggers cannot kill rb?
i play on H5 server and on HB chronicks i farmed rbs with friends on 3 aw/sk and we 3x times faster killed rb then 3 orcs,and orcs have zealot,we killed just with daggers on bufs
Nub Detected xD
what you nuba doing here? :P
Quote from: AGENTZERZ on July 18, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
what you nuba doing here? :P
I dont know xD .... .i think in any moment x15 go die.... im prepare :D but idk i dont have many time for up lvls and other shit :D in dragon i log and i go pk ppl :D here .... need up support and other shits :D jajaja...
nuba i dont play here,just on dragon,but you can tell here to peoples how i farm on 15x w/o orcs just on 1-2 AW rbs,and from HB chronicks