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Title: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 22, 2015, 12:38:47 PM
Hi
Dagger best choice ?
th,pw,sk ? sub on ? Why ?
Thx for answers
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 24, 2015, 09:19:15 PM
Any1?

BTW Merry Christmas!   ;-)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Blizzer on December 24, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
dagger sux, make mage
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: HugeTits on December 24, 2015, 10:35:48 PM
they are fine if u know how to play.
p.s. dont listen naap bartek aka blizzerlefthands xD
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 01:55:03 AM
Quote from: HugeTits on December 24, 2015, 10:35:48 PM
they are fine if u know how to play.
p.s. dont listen naap bartek aka blizzerlefthands xD
still better then scary "the retarded facestaber"

Daggers:
TH/Glad - best DPS / one shot frag for mages
TH/WL - about 10% less DMG but more sustain + IMBA stuns / two shots frag for mages
PW/TK - very good sustain / lower (or even the lowest) dmg / many awesome and usefull skills
AW/SK - good dmg / powerfull debuffs / and my favorite dagger class <3
TH/PAL - combination of two tanks above
other classes are simply useless (except for TH/PP for oly)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 10:09:21 AM
Quote from: sc0vy on December 22, 2015, 12:38:47 PM
Hi
Dagger best choice ?
th,pw,sk ? sub on ? Why ?
Thx for answers
anything u like and can/want to play  jesus its rly not hard to take 2classes skills and think if u could make use of it.   :)   

even stacked pw/es  could rape most of enemy.
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: HugeTits on December 25, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 10:09:21 AM
anything u like and can/want to play  jesus its rly not hard to take 2classes skills and think if u could make use of it.   :)   

even stacked pw/es  could rape most of enemy.
pw/ee or th/bp :]
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
thx for answers. I wonder, I have enough time to be near mage ? or they kill short range class for 2-3 hits.
Btw sorry for my english ;)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
thx for answers. I wonder, I have enough time to be near mage ? or they kill short range class for 2-3 hits.
Btw sorry for my english ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJC2uoa_h8&feature=youtu.be  you tell me.
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 11:49:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJC2uoa_h8&feature=youtu.be  you tell me.

"We are in the process of this film. Please check back later."
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: fajnynick on December 25, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: HugeTits on December 25, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
pw/ee or th/bp :]

At Dragon I was playing PW/EE:
-chain heal with instant cast
-stigma with 100% land rate
-pow
-amazing speed/evasion
-block ww
-high cast speed in light

that sub was strange, but works at pvp and oly ;)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: fajnynick on December 25, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
At Dragon I was playing PW/EE:
-chain heal with instant cast
-stigma with 100% land rate
-pow
-amazing speed/evasion
-block ww
-high cast speed in light

that sub was strange, but works at pvp and oly ;)
such subs are too hard to understand for sheeps,  omg Scary play aw/se I will make AW/SE must be good!@  half year later,  here are my aw/se passes play it for me plssssssss!@! (C) 2ppl at this server :)) 

bish/th, I saw one on old dragon, was quite annoyin to kill bish with mirage :)    dash is nice for kiting too :)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: fajnynick on December 25, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Probably you have right, but mirrage re-use for INT character is soooo long, or I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 11:50:49 AM
"We are in the process of this film. Please check back later."

that means he was stil uploading this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJC2uoa_h8(&feature=youtu.be)

finally scary learned how to make at least watchable movie
now you've got to learn how to play dagger coz your pvp looks like a mess (arcane pvp agains FF at 4:20 best example)
PS: wtf was this action with blizzer at the end ? it was a lethal win ? or you just want to show how sux you are ???????
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: fajnynick on December 25, 2015, 01:02:54 PM
At Dragon I was playing PW/EE:
-chain heal with instant cast        <- not in HB
-stigma with 100% land rate       <- not in HB
-pow                                         <- not in HB
-amazing speed/evasion             <- same speed as other daggers (or mb 3-4 more not a big deal)
-block ww                                  <- might be
-high cast speed in light              <- cast for ? heal ? recharge ? rebuff ?????

that sub was strange, but works at pvp and oly ;)         <- even TH/Sorc might work against noob enemys
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: fajnynick on December 25, 2015, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 01:18:46 PM


I know, that's why I wrote, I had pw/ee at Dragon x15 ;)
Also evas blessing is cool ;)

and cast speed it good to spell block ww, fast rebuffs (like ww), stigma etc :)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: kamilbruno on December 25, 2015, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 11:49:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJC2uoa_h8&feature=youtu.be  you tell me.

Are you from Russia? Proper is: ludziOM :P
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
that means he was stil uploading this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJC2uoa_h8(&feature=youtu.be)

finally scary learned how to make at least watchable movie
now you've got to learn how to play dagger coz your pvp looks like a mess (arcane pvp agains FF at 4:20 best example)
PS: wtf was this action with blizzer at the end ? it was a lethal win ? or you just want to show how sux you are ???????
(me+ random ee/es from giran + aw/se 79lvl from brazil) 3v7  pt ud on enemy either disarmed, win.  nothing else had to be done.

BTW gz Blowmeaway.  the only person to kill me 1v1 open pvp on this server on +- equal conditions :)   6:30
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
(me+ random ee/es from giran + aw/se 79lvl from brazil) 3v7  pt ud on enemy either disarmed, win.  nothing else had to be done.

BTW gz Blowmeaway.  the only person to kill me 1v1 open pvp on this server on +- equal conditions :)   6:30
yea only 1v1 cuz every pvp with u is QQ on pm if you die xD
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 02:11:07 PM
yea only 1v1 cuz every pvp with u is QQ on pm if you die xD
u didnt 1v1 me for once why do u bother to type?
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:19:23 PM
u didnt 1v1 me for once why do u bother to type?
ToI like 10 times, few times in HB.
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
ToI like 10 times, few times in HB.
huge imagination  fraps or never happend ( I love this guy claming he is alone, but what he really means its him alone +4supports carryin him :D )
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:19:23 PM
u didnt 1v1 me for once why do u bother to type?
he did and you know it well

Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
(me+ random ee/es from giran + aw/se 79lvl from brazil) 3v7  pt ud on enemy either disarmed, win.  nothing else had to be done.

That proves you dont know how to fight against such party durring such situation
kamael with "disarmed win" was in B grades = one shot frag (you hit him for 7k AT THE END) - disarm problem solved
Party UD on BP - hit pets so SoF user will die easly - SoF solved
Focusing orc during this PvP was the worst decision, especially when he was on Guts, while there was few easy targets such as BP in A-grade or WC/WL in KARMIAN
Orc wo skills is not dealing dmg so you can skip him, when he is on skills he has 30% HP so he is one stab frag
Dunno about archer dmg on you and his stun chance but probably he has -8CON and zerk so he is easy target aswell
Casting hero debuffs - SHAME (well using hero skills is always a kind of shame - at last for me) - well hero UD saved your ass diring fight with chryzo which you screw up aswell (Necro/DA better target then EE/SWS KINDA)

Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Anyway
your skills are going better:
with movie makking - (movie is intresting and watchable compared to your last productions)
and dagger gameplay - face stab ratio greatly decreased, you finally learned how to use your skills to get to the enemys back
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
BTW gz Blowmeaway.  the only person to kill me 1v1 open pvp on this server on +- equal conditions :)   6:30

loosing 1vs1 as dagger to SPS/TK shouldnt be counted as a "achievement" this class simply counter your class in every possible way

Same goes to me (SE/BD) dying from Daggers. There is no chance for me to stand against dagger (mb except root)

Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
brain explodes... pw,th,aw,aw,th,pw,aw,aw,pw,th,th,pw !!?? ... :D
It will be a hard night :)
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
brain explodes... pw,th,aw,aw,th,pw,aw,aw,pw,th,th,pw !!?? ... :D
It will be a hard night :)
dagger vs dagger pw > all
mass pvp aw/sk > all (well mirage is cool at all but aw/sk more usefull)
street actions i would go for th/wl th/glad
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
I think about pw, but I'm not sure about sub. Pw/sws i know its not so good like pw/tk, but with light set have more evasion ? Song on every time is cool.
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 25, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
I think about pw, but I'm not sure about sub. Pw/sws i know its not so good like pw/tk, but with light set have more evasion ? Song on every time is cool.

PW/SWS has huge evasion but PW/TK has deflect arrow and huge shield defence so evasion is not needed
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: Peorexo on December 25, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
dagger vs dagger pw > all
mass pvp aw/sk > all (well mirage is cool at all but aw/sk more usefull)
street actions i would go for th/wl th/glad
there is also ganging/ 1vXXing where PW/TK shine really huge   2x pw  1x sk (really squishy but yes, full pt with bishops its KING true king.  TH is universal, 9v9 I would rather play TK or even PAL,  pal is rlyyy good but smartcubic is doing nice job otherside :D   its really all about what kind od you like.    supports are good tho like bd,sws,se  but they are good for smaller pts and stuff.  summoners got their strenghts as well :)    most OP are obviosuly tanky ones.   I would love to be able to play other dagger combo everyday  :D
I made WL because I have never played him and always wanted to play too but I made some supports for clan/pt :)  now im very happy I had chance to play him, next on the list is PW/TK or even SWS  or AW/PS  :D
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sc0vy on December 25, 2015, 08:40:36 PM
Ok thx for answers.
Pw lf clan :D just kidding. Sub We will see, probably sws, maybe es ;) .
Cu ig
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Vargine on December 26, 2015, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: mruwqa on December 25, 2015, 08:00:52 PM
there is also ganging/ 1vXXing where PW/TK shine really huge   2x pw  1x sk (really squishy but yes, full pt with bishops its KING true king.  TH is universal, 9v9 I would rather play TK or even PAL,  pal is rlyyy good but smartcubic is doing nice job otherside :D   its really all about what kind od you like.    supports are good tho like bd,sws,se  but they are good for smaller pts and stuff.  summoners got their strenghts as well :)    most OP are obviosuly tanky ones.   I would love to be able to play other dagger combo everyday  :D
I made WL because I have never played him and always wanted to play too but I made some supports for clan/pt :)  now im very happy I had chance to play him, next on the list is PW/TK or even SWS  or AW/PS  :D

Agree
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: sheldonhaarig on December 28, 2015, 09:00:13 AM
Question to more experienced players. Is it proper to combine th and he (he and th)?
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Fanatic es on December 28, 2015, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: sheldonhaarig on December 28, 2015, 09:00:13 AM
Question to more experienced players. Is it proper to combine th and he (he and th)?
not on this chronicle, this char won't be as much effective as on gracia+
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on December 28, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: sheldonhaarig on December 28, 2015, 09:00:13 AM
Question to more experienced players. Is it proper to combine th and he (he and th)?
well  focus power is working with bow but i dont think u gonna stand at somebodys back as archer here :d
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: avsn on January 06, 2016, 03:10:41 AM
PW/SWS evasion 160...
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Urcschack on January 19, 2016, 01:49:31 AM
what do you think about th/wk :D?
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: papasmerf24 on January 19, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
Quote from: avsn on January 06, 2016, 03:10:41 AM
PW/SWS evasion 160...
its dont affect on skills:(
Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: ll aka Rusal on January 19, 2016, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: Urcschack on January 19, 2016, 01:49:31 AM
what do you think about th/wk :D?

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Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: Tescobar on January 19, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Nie wiem czy to co zrobiÅ,eÅ› jest dla Ciebie warte grania tutaj dalej :)
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Title: Re: Daggers
Post by: mruwqa on January 19, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Urcschack on January 19, 2016, 01:49:31 AM
what do you think about th/wk :D?
fun one  not that good endgame