Dont open retarded Hellbound chronicle again. Open low rate 5-15x H5 serbidore. Look at Dragon its up for a 100 years allready, maybe theres a reason for it. Hellbound serbidores dies after 1 month l3l.
1st: dragon has active gm :D
2nd: dragon has no players too - they log for siege/oly :D
its not that dnet is bad, but the lineage 2 scene is dying everywhere. Dnet is still one of the best servers to play.
Quote from: Zilex on May 10, 2017, 07:34:33 PM
its not that dnet is bad, but the lineage 2 scene is dying everywhere.
European scene, sure. Russian not really. Alot of RU&Int servers have good online numbers.
But the best server to be on if the only game you play is L2, then it's Lineage 2 Classic(4Game). No wipes no bullsh1ts, nothing. Big online numbers GranKain on peak time has 6500 online which is the cap for their servers, Shilien has 4k+ and Skelth(EU- International has 1200+).
Quote from: Zilex on May 10, 2017, 07:34:33 PM
its not that dnet is bad, but the lineage 2 scene is dying everywhere. Dnet is still one of the best servers to play.
Well it's not hard to be the "best" when there's no substack competition. They just have a good foundation and playerbase.
Afaik there's some 1+3 acumulative subs servers out there and only another 1+1 server which is interlude with npc buffer.
Not my cup of tea.
I hope DN keeps providing low/midrate servers. The lowest the best. But character balancing is also a BIG factor.
Just don't bother opening new server and waste everyones time, if you won't get an active gm.
H5 would be fun tbh. No need to farm hellbound to get itams, Vesper spoilable/weapon from quest, vorpals from drop, mages archers melee parties all viable. More endgame locations etc. could be nice. Tho prolly some heavy balancing should occur or 90% serbidor would be glads ;D Also more posibilities for dn to make some monies with exp cookies , vit hats and shit like that, on rates 3-5x those would help.
Quote from: Lamb on May 11, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
H5 would be fun tbh. No need to farm hellbound to get itams, Vesper spoilable/weapon from quest, vorpals from drop, mages archers melee parties all viable. More endgame locations etc. could be nice. Tho prolly some heavy balancing should occur or 90% serbidor would be glads ;D Also more posibilities for dn to make some monies with exp cookies , vit hats and shit like that, on rates 3-5x those would help.
On HB u have more viable setups than on H5 bro :D
H5 restricts late game way more than u'd think
Maybe then its a good idea to bring back interlude, H5 is just plain easy to play.. Hellbound is kinda messed up but fun tho play tho, interlude was the best.
forum up PogChamp
Interlude might solve the "no pvp" issue cause for how long will people be pve farming am I right
Quote from: Peorexo on May 12, 2017, 05:07:26 PM
On HB u have more viable setups than on H5 bro :D
H5 restricts late game way more than u'd think
lol
HB is the easiest chronicle for mages. Attr system early to mid game(easy 40% to 70% increase damage) + 4x m crit damage + no crit cap + pre-nerfed renewall and pony buff = Ez. Oh + tattos cast and CHP, i almost forgot those...
Archers suck. Trickster and zerkers are awesome. Melee, lol, no mobility + no CoV - penalty.
Tons of missing enchantment routes that should have been added.
Majority of substack combos are useless.
I'm not saying H5 is good but Gracia Final Skilldata + formula changes fixed alot of the HB problems.
GF progression is another story tho.
Quote from: Picksy on May 13, 2017, 12:32:56 AM
Interlude might solve the "no pvp" issue cause for how long will people be pve farming am I right
There's a way to simulate interlude playstyle when it comes to progression/gear in HB/GF servers. Despawn the npc that starts the quest to open HB = profit. Add dark/holy stones to dark water dragons so that every class has access to "their attribute" and there you go. After 2~3 months GMs can reactivate the npc and everyone will be full geared to farm in HB island.
On official servers players experienced this, when HB patch hitted everyone was fully geared with OE gear/skills ready for HB PvP :) Proof(check skills + video description): https://youtu.be/Id3IB_j1qMo
There wont be any excuses this way.
Quote from: Clonage on May 13, 2017, 12:53:41 AM
lol
HB is the easiest chronicle for mages. Attr system early to mid game(easy 40% to 70% increase damage) + 4x m crit damage + no crit cap + pre-nerfed renewall and pony buff = Ez. Oh + tattos cast and CHP, i almost forgot those...
Archers suck. Trickster and zerkers are awesome. Melee, lol, no mobility + no CoV - penalty.
Tons of missing enchantment routes that should have been added.
Majority of substack combos are useless.
I'm not saying H5 is good but Gracia Final Skilldata + formula changes fixed alot of the HB problems.
GF progression is another story tho.
There's a way to simulate interlude playstyle when it comes to progression/gear in HB/GF servers. Despawn the npc that starts the quest to open HB = profit. Add dark/holy stones to dark water dragons so that every class has access to "their attribute" and there you go. After 2~3 months GMs can reactivate the npc and everyone will be full geared to farm in HB island.
On official servers players experienced this, when HB patch hitted everyone was fully geared with OE gear/skills ready for HB PvP :) Proof(check skills + video description): https://youtu.be/Id3IB_j1qMo
There wont be any excuses this way.
Go again through my movies, i was getting 300-400 normal dmg from other mages with S gear and element make that *4 and thats huge 1.5k~ avg mcrit having 9k total hp+cp on mage, considering the only high dmg threat (500-600 normal) was high-end SH thats still enough to survive with mage character, which is way easier on fighter when u have total above 12k. With Trickster i was dishing out like 2-4k crits with 3-5 hits per second, thats on par with he/glad (and he/wl) are the highest DPS classes on last Hellraiser, no competition whatsoever with any other class, what about daggers dishing 5-10k crits constantly ? Too weak to play?
Speed issue? Archers have counter dash + HE have dashes, kamalols blinks, playing with SE/SK fixes almost all speed problems having 2x ROOT, add one bp/da to pt and with hamstring ur catching everyone with every party setup. Flame Icon, ever heard? Ren/Champ insanely broken as well giving on dagger/tank SOF reuse of like what 3-4 minutes ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFjfWNrEA48
Here you have hellraiser half-baked archer pt vs gm-frand clan with high-end skills + epics
About H5 setups:
Glads+da
Glad+nukers
Glad+melee
TripleCancel
2tricksters+da
3tricksters
seems legit :D
make stucksub great again :'(
Quote from: Peorexo on May 13, 2017, 09:35:10 AM
Go again through my movies, i was getting 300-400 normal dmg from other mages with S gear and element make that *4 and thats huge 1.5k~ avg mcrit having 9k total hp+cp on mage, considering the only high dmg threat (500-600 normal) was high-end SH thats still enough to survive with mage character, which is way easier on fighter when u have total above 12k. With Trickster i was dishing out like 2-4k crits with 3-5 hits per second, thats on par with he/glad (and he/wl) are the highest DPS classes on last Hellraiser, no competition whatsoever with any other class, what about daggers dishing 5-10k crits constantly ? Too weak to play?
Speed issue? Archers have counter dash + HE have dashes, kamalols blinks, playing with SE/SK fixes almost all speed problems having 2x ROOT, add one bp/da to pt and with hamstring ur catching everyone with every party setup. Flame Icon, ever heard? Ren/Champ insanely broken as well giving on dagger/tank SOF reuse of like what 3-4 minutes ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFjfWNrEA48
Here you have hellraiser half-baked archer pt vs gm-frand clan with high-end skills + epics
About H5 setups:
Glads+da
Glad+nukers
Glad+melee
TripleCancel
2tricksters+da
3tricksters
seems legit :D
Uh. You're exagerating a "lil bit". So you were also dealing 600 dmg aswell? :/ I dont think so... Custom pots, tattoos and bullshits. People are so fuking baited by these items only 1~2 thing are viable the rest is what we call in portuguese: "Encher chouriços". You have to test/know what they actually do to get any type of advantage from them. Pots dont even show the values. Offensive ones are useless. Of course your gonna have unbalanced PvP on this type of servers. How can people not learn that intruducing new stuff to the game breaks it. Even substack it self does. Substack is hard enough to balance and we still get custom pots + tattoos, iks necro de....
Did i ever said trick was bad? Windstorm doesnt even affect them lol. Trick zerker is full of steroids, debuffs and utility skills.
When i speak about no mobility on melees im excluding kamaels, of course(?). And specificaly talking about daggers since they are the only melee characters without any ranged skill. Dunno why you talk about HE having dash, ecks dee. Counter dash sure sws sr and done. No need lolhawkeyes in party. HE/WL is a fuking monster in PvE Tho, holy shit, his damage is insane in HB.
SE/SK instead of EE/xx??? Yeah right... Maybe if prohpecies, touch/spirit of shilen were GF+ sure. What another viable combo? O_O Just by changing skills! *Mind blown* I can see bp da work in melee pt tho, nice one. But DA is so underpowered in HB compared to HB and GF tanks....
I think i can count with only one hand how many times i got stabbed on HR2 out side of olys.
Do you even know what does a good game look like? -> When casual players(assuming class combo wise) and harcore players both have a good experience.(Hi interlude)
Did any of that happen in both Hellraiser servers? Nop. Why? Custom bullshit items. Untouched skills. The only way to have fun in HR is for hardcore(passionate) players cuz they learn how to break the game(again classe wise) and play what's "Meta" vs "scrubs". Substack has more diversity theoretically but in reallity most combos are useless and it reflects in very little diversity in compositions.(He/WK iz best hue hue) I had more fun in HR1 then in HR2, HR1 had more ppl = more PvP. HR2 was more social for me, got to know more ppl, still had some fun vs cheat0rs criting me for 500 on shield cyka blyat.
Substack has more diversity theoretically but in reallity most combos are useless and it reflects in very little diversity in compositions.(He/WK iz best hue hue)
With your H5 example you just showed more viability in comps then in HR.
What's viable in HR?
Imo:
Nukers+zerker
Nukers
2 trick + smthg
3 Tricks
Btw i dont give a shit about h5, ecks dee. Since DN HB is downgraded from GF it would be alot easier to change stuff to GF values instead of getting new server files. Yea i know Glad +skills 30 + duelist spirit +30 + Final secret hit like a truck and that's why we need tweaking in substack and continued work from staff. Fyck all these releasing server and going AFK. I'd rather have 1 year of full fuking beta testing then playing current state of HR over and over with 2~3 months MAX of playtime.
It's gotten to a point were compositions are stall and boring. Sws/ee bd/se are mandatary with probably 1~2 exceptions, everything else will make your party win probability decrease DRASTICALLY. They have no weakness. In HR1 they had 1 weakness and GMs decided to take it away. Bravo.
As i keep saying there's 2 many bait combos, there's no natural direction like on retail servers for party compositions or any balance for diversity.(decreased mana consumption on bard/fighters.... The problem was never lack of mana on fighter pt to begin with... Oh nvm what am i'm talking about... fighters go vs 4~5 burners. Of course they have no mana. Let's buff mp consumption on bard/fighters! Wrong.
I'm looking at the game from a different prespective now then i had a year ago. If casuals don't have fun you will end up with an empty server in 1 month. That's the difference between a good game and a bad game(Substack is a complete different game). Just look at League of legos and Overwatch. Off meta heroes are viable, AT LEAST, in specific situations/maps/comps. In substack this will never happen when you have example OP bard/rechargers(cough cough sws sr) all the other combos are useless. Their just not viable, You cant out performe current bard/recharger with bard/whateverthefuk. Another example why casuals matter for server health: GranKain has 6.5k at peak time. Top sides have roughly arround 400 on RMT, 300+ on ROA and 150 on Rise, that makes the rest of the online numbers are "casuals", smaller clans, boxes and shops. The game is fun if you play X or Y or Z class, it doesnt matter. This happens with all servers and chronicles. Everyone influences the game, specially the economy.
Ofc there will always be the best class(combo) but atleast make everything else fun and a bit viable.
Quote from: Clonage on May 13, 2017, 06:53:30 PM
Uh. You're exagerating a "lil bit". So you were also dealing 600 dmg aswell? :/ I dont think so... Custom pots, tattoos and bullshits. People are so fuking baited by these items only 1~2 thing are viable the rest is what we call in portuguese: "Encher chouriços". You have to test/know what they actually do to get any type of advantage from them. Pots dont even show the values. Offensive ones are useless. Of course your gonna have unbalanced PvP on this type of servers. How can people not learn that intruducing new stuff to the game breaks it. Even substack it self does. Substack is hard enough to balance and we still get custom pots + tattoos, iks necro de....
Did i ever said trick was bad? Windstorm doesnt even affect them lol. Trick zerker is full of steroids, debuffs and utility skills.
When i speak about no mobility on melees im excluding kamaels, of course(?). And specificaly talking about daggers since they are the only melee characters without any ranged skill. Dunno why you talk about HE having dash, ecks dee. Counter dash sure sws sr and done. No need lolhawkeyes in party. HE/WL is a fuking monster in PvE Tho, holy shit, his damage is insane in HB.
SE/SK instead of EE/xx??? Yeah right... Maybe if prohpecies, touch/spirit of shilen were GF+ sure. What another viable combo? O_O Just by changing skills! *Mind blown* I can see bp da work in melee pt tho, nice one. But DA is so underpowered in HB compared to HB and GF tanks....
I think i can count with only one hand how many times i got stabbed on HR2 out side of olys.
Do you even know what does a good game look like? -> When casual players(assuming class combo wise) and harcore players both have a good experience.(Hi interlude)
Did any of that happen in both Hellraiser servers? Nop. Why? Custom bullshit items. Untouched skills. The only way to have fun in HR is for hardcore(passionate) players cuz they learn how to break the game(again classe wise) and play what's "Meta" vs "scrubs". Substack has more diversity theoretically but in reallity most combos are useless and it reflects in very little diversity in compositions.(He/WK iz best hue hue) I had more fun in HR1 then in HR2, HR1 had more ppl = more PvP. HR2 was more social for me, got to know more ppl, still had some fun vs cheat0rs criting me for 500 on shield cyka blyat.
Substack has more diversity theoretically but in reallity most combos are useless and it reflects in very little diversity in compositions.(He/WK iz best hue hue)
With your H5 example you just showed more viability in comps then in HR.
What's viable in HR?
Imo:
Nukers+zerker
Nukers
2 trick + smthg
3 Tricks
Btw i dont give a shit about h5, ecks dee. Since DN HB is downgraded from GF it would be alot easier to change stuff to GF values instead of getting new server files. Yea i know Glad +skills 30 + duelist spirit +30 + Final secret hit like a truck and that's why we need tweaking in substack and continued work from staff. Fyck all these releasing server and going AFK. I'd rather have 1 year of full fuking beta testing then playing current state of HR over and over with 2~3 months MAX of playtime.
It's gotten to a point were compositions are stall and boring. Sws/ee bd/se are mandatary with probably 1~2 exceptions, everything else will make your party win probability decrease DRASTICALLY. They have no weakness. In HR1 they had 1 weakness and GMs decided to take it away. Bravo.
As i keep saying there's 2 many bait combos, there's no natural direction like on retail servers for party compositions or any balance for diversity.(decreased mana consumption on bard/fighters.... The problem was never lack of mana on fighter pt to begin with... Oh nvm what am i'm talking about... fighters go vs 4~5 burners. Of course they have no mana. Let's buff mp consumption on bard/fighters! Wrong.
I'm looking at the game from a different prespective now then i had a year ago. If casuals don't have fun you will end up with an empty server in 1 month. That's the difference between a good game and a bad game(Substack is a complete different game). Just look at League of legos and Overwatch. Off meta heroes are viable, AT LEAST, in specific situations/maps/comps. In substack this will never happen when you have example OP bard/rechargers(cough cough sws sr) all the other combos are useless. Their just not viable, You cant out performe current bard/recharger with bard/whateverthefuk. Another example why casuals matter for server health: GranKain has 6.5k at peak time. Top sides have roughly arround 400 on RMT, 300+ on ROA and 150 on Rise, that makes the rest of the online numbers are "casuals", smaller clans, boxes and shops. The game is fun if you play X or Y or Z class, it doesnt matter. This happens with all servers and chronicles. Everyone influences the game, specially the economy.
Ofc there will always be the best class(combo) but atleast make everything else fun and a bit viable.
About dmg dealt/received, you think game should be balanced the way casuals/noobs wants? Maybe make 1 uncancellable buff available for everyone that grants effects from everything u should be using and keep the game fair and simple? That wont solve shit anyway. Every character is playable, but requires more thoughts and preparation with whole party composition to be viable. And by viable i dont mean equally strong as god-tier setups, but viable to the level which allows you to 9v9, stand your ground againts most compositions depending only on your very own skill cap.
Server wasnt and will never be as populated as classic/rpg ones. This is designed for completely different people. DN community will not stand the kind of gameplay that kind of server is offering and thus is one of the reasons they will never be able to compete and the top level. That you can clearly see at any ours pvp movies when we were mostly outnumbered right?
bd/se and ee/sws a must in parties? Not really, you can swap the combos a bit, shift the characters and u might even get a better outcome. Substack let you have more of everything in party and some people instead of thinking clearly how to use it, they forget about balancing the offense/defense factor of any setup. I've spotted 5-6 dd parties in the wild. Are they bad? Maybe not, the raw burst can potentialy shut down the supportive parties (this was shown on 9v9 tournament E-global hosted recently).
People hate on SE cuz it doesnt have proper healing nor blessing of eva, but whats the real problem? SE/SK is one of the strongest classes out there for fighter parties its not a healer deal with it.
TBH smth like se/sk + aw/sk + trick zerk + glad/xx that could potentially 2second wipe any composition if you could get the stuff going correctly.
While yeah thats kind of exaggaration considering u need to keep some things going for that to work out, it still does have huge potential on its own.
Tell me one thing, why u consider composition having bd/se + sws/ee boring cuz its "mandatory" when you REALLY need to have recharge and bards 100% of time anyway? The point if this combos let you choose 7 remaining characters with less restrictions. This is just optimal. In everyday servers u need to have sws bd ee/se + 2 cardis like 99% of the time so ?
Casuals not having fun... Lets look at the numbers. If server had 1000 unique players and we had like 3 top sides all of them having atleast 50 unique players at its own. Thats doesnt conclude the list of clans and players. We can easily assume 300-400 players will be completely casual logging time-to-time and not taking parts in grand battles, but they do pvp at spots, forts. They do go oly. The rest semi-active players from all the other clans are battling each other more often that we do probably know, and i guess thats fun definition for them. Most of them dont want to fight againts the top and its their every own choice to make. Now if we look at that and consider how we didnt have any action as top clan then im pretty sure we had less fun than this casuals :)
While I agree there were things that could have gone better for HR1 and HR2 I do honestly believe that this is not the problem about the classes nor balance on its own.
I am considering the HR2 as pretty balanced all-around 9v9 party oriented compositions, its just most IL mentallity players couldt understand why archers on 2 dual boxes cant pew pew that good anymore i guess.
stfu u both wanna be's, bow down to the necro power.
Just fking listen to players feedback plssssssssssssss
Quote from: Picksy on May 13, 2017, 10:01:48 AM
make stucksub great again :'(
totally agree
when going to kill golka was the great thing
making camp for respawn... ppl pking to get horn
orcs as leaders and lot of people raiding the boss to get the horn
https://youtu.be/_td95CSbXw4
make dragon network great again :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Peorexo on May 13, 2017, 08:46:02 PM
About dmg dealt/received, you think game should be balanced the way casuals/noobs wants? Maybe make 1 uncancellable buff available for everyone that grants effects from everything u should be using and keep the game fair and simple? That wont solve shit anyway. Every character is playable, but requires more thoughts and preparation with whole party composition to be viable. And by viable i dont mean equally strong as god-tier setups, but viable to the level which allows you to 9v9, stand your ground againts most compositions depending only on your very own skill cap.
Server wasnt and will never be as populated as classic/rpg ones. This is designed for completely different people. DN community will not stand the kind of gameplay that kind of server is offering and thus is one of the reasons they will never be able to compete and the top level. That you can clearly see at any ours pvp movies when we were mostly outnumbered right?
bd/se and ee/sws a must in parties? Not really, you can swap the combos a bit, shift the characters and u might even get a better outcome. Substack let you have more of everything in party and some people instead of thinking clearly how to use it, they forget about balancing the offense/defense factor of any setup. I've spotted 5-6 dd parties in the wild. Are they bad? Maybe not, the raw burst can potentialy shut down the supportive parties (this was shown on 9v9 tournament E-global hosted recently).
People hate on SE cuz it doesnt have proper healing nor blessing of eva, but whats the real problem? SE/SK is one of the strongest classes out there for fighter parties its not a healer deal with it.
TBH smth like se/sk + aw/sk + trick zerk + glad/xx that could potentially 2second wipe any composition if you could get the stuff going correctly.
While yeah thats kind of exaggaration considering u need to keep some things going for that to work out, it still does have huge potential on its own.
Tell me one thing, why u consider composition having bd/se + sws/ee boring cuz its "mandatory" when you REALLY need to have recharge and bards 100% of time anyway? The point if this combos let you choose 7 remaining characters with less restrictions. This is just optimal. In everyday servers u need to have sws bd ee/se + 2 cardis like 99% of the time so ?
Casuals not having fun... Lets look at the numbers. If server had 1000 unique players and we had like 3 top sides all of them having atleast 50 unique players at its own. Thats doesnt conclude the list of clans and players. We can easily assume 300-400 players will be completely casual logging time-to-time and not taking parts in grand battles, but they do pvp at spots, forts. They do go oly. The rest semi-active players from all the other clans are battling each other more often that we do probably know, and i guess thats fun definition for them. Most of them dont want to fight againts the top and its their every own choice to make. Now if we look at that and consider how we didnt have any action as top clan then im pretty sure we had less fun than this casuals :)
While I agree there were things that could have gone better for HR1 and HR2 I do honestly believe that this is not the problem about the classes nor balance on its own.
I am considering the HR2 as pretty balanced all-around 9v9 party oriented compositions, its just most IL mentallity players couldt understand why archers on 2 dual boxes cant pew pew that good anymore i guess.
Good read.
I dont consider them to be boring in terms of gameplay, i was going to roll myself an ee sws on last server(i actually had that on one sub xD). It's just boring to see them the most viable in each comp(besides sws sr). I'd love to see bard/tanks maybe even bard/dders, as weaker combos, but still somewhat viable to play. It's just that we have so many combinations for nothing. :(
Also i've been playing on eglobal and i can say that almost no1 as ever heard of DN. Even a colleague of mine from work that plays L2 for 10 years hasnt heard of it... It's not hard to try and impress new players that never heard of it to try it out. They just need to hear some interesting words from publicity/Ads/announcement and that's it. Something like: "Bored of traditional lineage and wanna try something new and complex? try out our substack server bla bla bla"
Peorexo and Clonage
consider writing a book plox...
the history of ur lifes tho...
what unnecesary dump of text...
;D
Quote from: HerrMayer on May 13, 2017, 11:50:04 PM
Peorexo and Clonage
consider writing a book plox...
the history of ur lifes tho...
what unnecesary dump of text...
;D
Unlike you, i come to forums to try and express my ideas to help improve what we have atm. And as you can see there's other people with other ideas and points of view which is always interesting. And that's the point of forums.
Picksy say sorry for baiting this guy...
#makenecrobishopgr8again
right keep trying... be sure to not fail 8)
but... you can keep that unlike me
bcz i did it many times during nightmare and arena times
for arena it was a shame... noone paid atention to feedback as resulted server died empty
so... b4 saying about me be sure 100%
Quote from: Clonage on May 14, 2017, 12:08:45 AM
#makenecrobishopgr8again
+1 kappa
And yeah i tried to convince my pt of using bd/sk, like srsly this shit supposed to be so freaking good considering the skillset in HB :D
Quote from: Peorexo on May 14, 2017, 01:27:08 AM
+1 kappa
And yeah i tried to convince my pt of using bd/sk, like srsly this shit supposed to be so freaking good considering the skillset in HB :D
but then u think "why dafuq am I taking melee control in my comp as a tank if I can just get a zerker and thats all the control I need" and then u make bd/se like everyone else XD
Quote from: Picksy on May 14, 2017, 04:31:44 AM
but then u think "why dafuq am I taking melee control in my comp as a tank if I can just get a zerker and thats all the control I need" and then u make bd/se like everyone else XD
Nah it was to make zerker more effective bro :P
Lots of good discussions going on here, feelsgoodman :D I have to say I agree alot with what clonage is saying (although I am a firm believer that all classes can be good in the right hands). Making the life easier for melees by making cov enchantable for decrease penalty wouldn't be a bad thing. Banes and block ww that even removes chp kills alot of the kill potential for melees since you can't even pop a new chp immediately coz of reuse delay.. Furthermore I think the map of L2 is just to big, there's so many places to farm before entering HB that you can easily go unnoticed until you're 85 by using different farm spots which kills pvp alot imo. I'm not normally a fan of custom zones but heck I don't know, it might not be all bad..
Good points guys ....the only problem is that all this discussion is in vain if WE DONT HAVE ACTIVE COMPETENT GM who can solve casual problems like scamers/cheaters/game ruiners/item sellers for money + organise PVP/PVE events,voting system and so many other 'things'.The only main problem would be there arent such nice ppl available to offer themselves as a 'mister nice guy GAME MASTER,all problems solver'.The funny part is that there is always time to achieve something,create a dream server even if it will be in 2020 , all u need is desire.What blows my mind is that DNET was so popular at one point ,that these guys could make tons of money , but for some reason they didint care.Keep it up guys,u can still do it!
P.S The first step into achieving succes mister trackzero would be to actually listen to critique and not delete posts only coz u are mad,and wonder urself 'hmmm,i wonder whats the point of these guys' chat'
there are plenty of capable people in this community but they also want to play. My suggestion is to get like 3 or 4 guys who can act as forum and ingame "HELPER" like.. to give info when people need etc etc. But this time, just don't give any permissions to those people, just let them be a support to whoever the gm is
Quote from: Easley on May 14, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
Lots of good discussions going on here, feelsgoodman :D I have to say I agree alot with what clonage is saying (although I am a firm believer that all classes can be good in the right hands). Making the life easier for melees by making cov enchantable for decrease penalty wouldn't be a bad thing. Banes and block ww that even removes chp kills alot of the kill potential for melees since you can't even pop a new chp immediately coz of reuse delay.. Furthermore I think the map of L2 is just to big, there's so many places to farm before entering HB that you can easily go unnoticed until you're 85 by using different farm spots which kills pvp alot imo. I'm not normally a fan of custom zones but heck I don't know, it might not be all bad..
All classes are good in the right hands, but new playstyles are added to our version of the game compared to retail. Alot more mana damage is probably imo one the biggest problems we have. Just by having more mana damage then another party you can dry them from mana especially on this chronicle. It wont really matter if you're skilled on another BD or SWS combo, it's just how the game works. Sure that DD/xx are factored by your skill, but even inside dd/xx you have classes that will never shine alone.
freak CHP, Chant of blood awakening isn't Bana'ble.
Well, from what i've heard Donny had all recs and parts even 100% recs so yeah(correct me if im wrong). That's why we never saw ALOT of characters farming in X spots.
Another factor is High EXP vs Drop rate. We have High exp gain AND boosted quest. Since quests are boosted in chance and reward there's less time needed to farm same spot consistently... And after you get what you need from a quest you can just jump arround from spot to spot cuz exp is high enough in all places. I would love to see exp curve be the same as current adena curve.
Quote from: Clonage on May 14, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
All classes are good in the right hands, but new playstyles are added to our version of the game compared to retail. Alot more mana damage is probably imo one the biggest problems we have. Just by having more mana damage then another party you can dry them from mana especially on this chronicle. It wont really matter if you're skilled on another BD or SWS combo, it's just how the game works. Sure that DD/xx are factored by your skill, but even inside dd/xx you have classes that will never shine alone.
freak CHP, Chant of blood awakening isn't Bana'ble.
Well, from what i've heard Donny had all recs and parts even 100% recs so yeah(correct me if im wrong). That's why we never saw ALOT of characters farming in X spots.
Another factor is High EXP vs Drop rate. We have High exp gain AND boosted quest. Since quests are boosted in chance and reward there's less time needed to farm same spot consistently... And after you get what you need from a quest you can just jump arround from spot to spot cuz exp is high enough in all places. I would love to see exp curve be the same as current adena curve.
Tarantula dynamic rates were cool, you speeding through the boring <60 parts and then u finish at 79->80 x2 rates ^^
Quote from: Peorexo on May 14, 2017, 10:58:14 PM
Tarantula dynamic rates were cool, you speeding through the boring <60 parts and then u finish at 79->80 x2 rates ^^
Yeah was awesome :D
Quote from: Clonage on May 14, 2017, 12:08:45 AM
Unlike you, i come to forums to try and express my ideas to help improve what we have atm. And as you can see there are other people with other ideas and points of view which are always interesting. And that's the point of forums.
+1
One way to solve the problem of "there are alot of locations to go thats why there isnt much pvp" is to instead of adding custom farm zones, just increase the drops or spoils or wtv in some zone, to make people want to go tho those specific zones.
This way, even if there are bots unbanned, they will be forced to go to less rewarding locations because if they go to those spots that have drops increased, they will always encounter people there who will mostl ikely pk them. I don't know, there are so many ideas that I dont understand how we dont improve this little things.
You can increase the drop rate and decrease adena rate so that you can actually use adena as currency to buy the items you need. Both HR servers had a really bad economy where you couldnt do anything with adena, I mean, adena had no value cause there was just too much adena. If you have more items than adena, people will be able to sell those items in the market because the adena they will get will have value.
Come on, l2 is here for so long we know exactly what to do to make a good server. Just ignore the people that say "this will be too hard, or this is impossible to do as a solo player" because that is just nonsense. If you are someone who likes to play alone (even tho I don't understand why you play a "MMO"rpg if you're going to play alone) then you can progress like everyone else. It is just going to take longer, as it should. Lineage 2 promotes teamplay, alot. It is one of the mmorpgs that requires more people to have in one party (9) to be effective.
But anyway, even if you don't care about it, even if you want to play solo, do it. But don't force the staff to make decisions/changes around your unconventional way of playing the game.
Quote from: Blacklist on May 14, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
Good points guys ....the only problem is that all this discussion is in vain if WE DONT HAVE ACTIVE COMPETENT GM who can solve casual problems like scamers/cheaters/game ruiners/item sellers for money + organise PVP/PVE events,voting system and so many other 'things'.The only main problem would be there arent such nice ppl available to offer themselves as a 'mister nice guy GAME MASTER,all problems solver'.The funny part is that there is always time to achieve something,create a dream server even if it will be in 2020 , all u need is desire.What blows my mind is that DNET was so popular at one point ,that these guys could make tons of money , but for some reason they didint care.Keep it up guys,u can still do it!
P.S The first step into achieving succes mister trackzero would be to actually listen to critique and not delete posts only coz u are mad,and wonder urself 'hmmm,i wonder whats the point of these guys' chat'
Actually this was the problem both times in past on this server. Files were good, classes were balanced etc, but there was real lack of feedback from staff.
Recently I've been playing on one private server on different game that has around 10k members across few server and I can tell you that their organization is awesome and it can be achieved here with a little effort. Discord is free to use software, you can make large servers without spending a dime, hire 3 guys that could be online in different time zones and can answer to community questions at any time, get developers that will be online as well - developers who can shut the server down if some fishy actions are happening and not wait 7 days until shit can't be rolled back anymore... etc
Edit:
These things are not helping, he wasn't hired that way for sure. I don't say we are not in charge for the mess, cause we could have gave him less "power" but after log checks and overall connections he was in touch with... we took him down. Also it's not easy to hire such a person who you can trust in.
Ecks dee. I mean they couldnt have guessed, but not monitoring ingame GMs lol. Also he was so greedy. He had some fuked up ideas for donations... No wonder lol.
if you don't know anything, you should not write at all.
Quote from: Blacklist on May 15, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
if you don't know anything, you should not write at all.
Nice jokes, but nobody believes u these days for anything u say allanah/track or whoever.How can u be so sure 'i dont know anything' Kappa.And 2nd of all ,how can u say ppl 'if u dont know anything ,u should not write at all', this is a fking forum ,ppl express their opinions rofl.But anyway,at the end of the day ur the lying bastards with 10 years experience who cant handle a server only because some ruskies paid u money :) hey ,dont blame me for 'not knowing anything' :) This time u really burried ur chances of creating a server, im pretty sure everybody is done with u guys and ur lies :) and gee,who2blame ?U only get 1 guess chance :)
Quote from: Blacklist on May 16, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
Nice jokes, but nobody believes u these days for anything u say allanah/track or whoever.How can u be so sure 'i dont know anything' Kappa.And 2nd of all ,how can u say ppl 'if u dont know anything ,u should not write at all', this is a fking forum ,ppl express their opinions rofl.But anyway,at the end of the day ur the lying bastards with 10 years experience who cant handle a server only because some ruskies paid u money :) hey ,dont blame me for 'not knowing anything' :)
You just making a fool of yourself, whoever you are. We absolutley have no idea what and to who are you barkig at. Anyhow, if you wish to express something dont hide under x pseudonims and explain everything, otherwise you are just wasting your time.
Cheers
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on May 16, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
You just making a fool of yourself, whoever you are. We absolutley have no idea what and to who are you barkig at. Anyhow, if you wish to express something dont hide under x pseudonims and explain everything, otherwise you are just wasting your time.
Cheers
Im making a fool of myself?LMAOOO thats a good one mate.Im barking?Ur the one barking lies all over the place, i dont even care, im done playing here anyway.U can do wahtever the fuk u want, nobody will play here anyway.U hear that,im making a fool of myself coz im only puttin on the table facts that happen on #hellraiser 2.U could see me on the hero list i guess few months ago when server was bearly breathin .But anyway,thats not the point ,the point IS u guys are a big disapointment to the whole community.And dont give me that bullsh1t talk with 'ppl are x ppl are y, they flame etc' coz the only ones to blame are u , the so called admins :) I can almost put my money on the thing that u are even more corrupted than glasy,mark and the 'old school' DNET corrupted admins :) ,u can lie to newbies here but u cant lie to me buddy
Quote from: Blacklist on May 16, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
Im making a fool of myself?LMAOOO thats a good one mate.Im barking?Ur the one barking lies all over the place, i dont even care, im done playing here anyway.U can do wahtever the fuk u want, nobody will play here anyway.U hear that,im making a fool of myself coz im only puttin on the table facts that happen on #hellraiser 2.U could see me on the hero list i guess few months ago when server was bearly breathin .But anyway,thats not the point ,the point IS u guys are a big disapointment to the whole community.And dont give me that bullsh1t talk with 'ppl are x ppl are y, they flame etc' coz the only ones to blame are u , the so called admins :) I can almost put my money on the thing that u are even more corrupted than glasy,mark and the 'old school' DNET corrupted admins :) ,u can lie to newbies here but u cant lie to me buddy
Excuse me, would you mind telling me what i,we have been lying to the community?
Secondly, you are aware that Drake himeslf is behind every dn project and part of the team since always? If he cuted balls.of kotenka, mark,jug, nigel, sam, and all the other Santa clauses, why Alannah, Evacuate, and myself shoud have different treatment? Just try to think a bit and to understand that drake has access to every single log/machine of DN.
Anyway, i do agree that it was a big screwup with sam and that the holes that enabled some exploiters to profit were bad and that we had difficulties to trace everything....but well, those kind of things do happen in pc/gaming world. We will make a better place, and we will try to fulfill as much as possible demands of the community.
Cheers
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on May 16, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
Excuse me, would you mind telling me what i,we have been lying to the community?
Secondly, you are aware that Drake himeslf is behind every dn project and part of the team since always? If he cuted balls.of kotenka, mark,jug, nigel, sam, and all the other Santa clauses, why Alannah, Evacuate, and myself shoud have different treatment? Just try to think a bit and to understand that drake has access to every single log/machine of DN.
Anyway, i do agree that it was a big screwup with sam and that the holes that enabled some exploiters to profit were bad and that we had difficulties to trace everything....but well, those kind of things do happen in pc/gaming world. We will make a better place, and we will try to fulfill as much as possible demands of the community.
Cheers
So basically drake is the big bad corrupted one is what u r trying to tell me Kappa ?Why drake cut the balls only of kotenka,mark,sam etc etc etc and not urs alanah etc?Well thats pretty simple to be answered ,mby kotenka/mark/sam were doing bussiness behind drakes back and when he found out he kicked them ,while u and the crew made bussiness with drake and u are loyal to him so everything is nice and settled.Anyway,with the making a better place and fullfiling community's demands, every1 already seen what u can fullfill ,so there is nothing left to be said i guess.I wish u GL anyway ;)
Quote from: Blacklist on May 16, 2017, 07:11:10 PM
So basically drake is the big bad corrupted one is what u r trying to tell me Kappa ?Why drake cut the balls only of kotenka,mark,sam etc etc etc and not urs alanah etc?Well thats pretty simple to be answered ,mby kotenka/mark/sam were doing bussiness behind drakes back and when he found out he kicked them ,while u and the crew made bussiness with drake and u are loyal to him so everything is nice and settled.Anyway,with the making a better place and fullfiling community's demands, every1 already seen what u can fullfill ,so there is nothing left to be said i guess.I wish u GL anyway ;)
You havent reach a point where something can be explained to you, therefore, goodluck troll.
Quote from: Blacklist on May 16, 2017, 07:11:10 PM
so if you are done here, go please elsewhere
the conspiracy theory here is higher than in the X-Files
Ft. in this chapter Blacklist the GL wisher....https://youtu.be/rbBX6aEzEz8 (https://youtu.be/rbBX6aEzEz8)
Quote from: =^Alannah^= on May 16, 2017, 07:15:00 PM
so if you are done here, go please elsewhere
the conspiracy theory here is higher than in the X-Files
;D I know what Track and Glassy did to me when i was like that guy, as i can remember and count, this is my 4th profile here, and 1st three were "Hot" ;D and marked as Spammer with the highest value. So on the end that 3 are a permaban. I have taken my lesson so this one is "saint" profile, needed time to collect pieces of information and tell everyone, stop attack admins on Dragon-Networks! Drake is the only puppet master and if you don't like smth here stop frustrating people who make that other enjoy game.
Admins here are same as you are in a firm where you work if you work then you know that you are "ant" that can not say anything to his boss, so why you have guts to say anything here? Distant and "pseudonym" behind the screen doesn't make you invincible, if you have the power to change things like that, then say something smart that these admins will be proud to your ideas. Criticizing someone that is trying to do some good, is so lame.
You should be inspired by Alannah, because that person is never giving up on the task that is in front of the team for who they work. And that is for all commendation's not for "spitting" on someone's work.