As some of you may have noticed, through all the development process of L2 since prelude till Gracia final, they made it easier and easier for newbies to start, level and reach high levels.
Don't believe? just look how they increased the range lvl of newbie players buffs, starting weapons, vitality, free gk under lvl 40, much more equipment quests to start...
And here? what happens? beginning and reaching high lvl is harder and harder. I don't mean levelling, I mean buying shits, finding shots, crystals that are normally sold at normal prices in starting towns.
You think: what a stupid guy, last time I levelled a reroll, I put it lvl 40 in 2h-2days-2weeks (tick the right answer), yes, sure, but you had a buff bot (and I'm nice, I could have said a pair of subbed buff bots, let's say a se/bd and WC/sws... what? you don't have at least oe of those? n44b!)) after you, top equip, shots and pots and whatever you needed to start.
Now, imagine a new comer: wanna buy a C set? nah!!! you can't find it. buy it at luxury shop, noob! want a C weapon? sls is 60kk. farm ol furs, noob! can't find shots at a decent price? level a crafter, noob! (but I don't want to lvl a crafter, sir, plix help! adena, plix!)
need aa? pay 5kk for priest for having bugged (no, not tie, BUG) validation period.
ok, so he managed to do all this. Time to get a horn. ahhh !WTB horn 1.2kkk! (yeah, he's a freaking rich newcomer) lol noob! give me 12dc not less! or (and this is true and Im not inventing it) give me 100kk adena and you'll (perhaps) be able to participate in a golky
(should I say it's from a nice Italian force member?) What? you're not sure to get a horn? I don't give a freak.
What? RB are stronger? lol, learn to play noob. What, you're not in a big ally? learn to play noob. Join us and if you are a good little boy (aka smd), we'll give you equip and horn.
well. Enough. All this because I heard horn price rocket jumped to 50 lunargents +aa in NM. well.
I'm kinda fed up of all the shits here.
Don't you understand why they make it easier to reach high lvl in oficial? if no, then sorry, nothing can be done for you.
see you.
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 12:13:01 AM
As some of you may have noticed, through all the development process of L2 since prelude till Gracia final, they made it easier and easier for newbies to start, level and reach high levels.
Don't believe? just look how they increased the range lvl of newbie players buffs, starting weapons, vitality, free gk under lvl 40, much more equipment quests to start...
And here? what happens? beginning and reaching high lvl is harder and harder. I don't mean levelling, I mean buying shits, finding shots, crystals that are normally sold at normal prices in starting towns.
You think: what a stupid guy, last time I levelled a reroll, I put it lvl 40 in 2h-2days-2weeks (tick the right answer), yes, sure, but you had a buff bot (and I'm nice, I could have said a pair of subbed buff bots, let's say a se/bd and WC/sws... what? you don't have at least oe of those? n44b!)) after you, top equip, shots and pots and whatever you needed to start.
Now, imagine a new comer: wanna buy a C set? nah!!! you can't find it. buy it at luxury shop, noob! want a C weapon? sls is 60kk. farm ol furs, noob! can't find shots at a decent price? level a crafter, noob! (but I don't want to lvl a crafter, sir, plix help! adena, plix!)
need aa? pay 5kk for priest for having bugged (no, not tie, BUG) validation period.
ok, so he managed to do all this. Time to get a horn. ahhh !WTB horn 1.2kkk! (yeah, he's a freaking rich newcomer) lol noob! give me 12dc not less! or (and this is true and Im not inventing it) give me 100kk adena and you'll (perhaps) be able to participate in a golky
(should I say it's from a nice Italian force member?) What? you're not sure to get a horn? I don't give a freak.
What? RB are stronger? lol, learn to play noob. What, you're not in a big ally? learn to play noob. Join us and if you are a good little boy (aka smd), we'll give you equip and horn.
well. Enough. All this because I heard horn price rocket jumped to 50 lunargents +aa in NM. well.
I'm kinda fed up of all the shits here.
Don't you understand why they make it easier to reach high lvl in oficial? if no, then sorry, nothing can be done for you.
see you.
they should raise a statue honoured to you ehlena
one of the very few guys of this network who rly cares about it , not about new armours/weapons/ and all sh1tty donable equips ... about players...
but as u mentioned this network is changing...as long as players change too.. ( ... )
this time is not drake/mod's fault...the only fault is of players who make this servers sh1t...for every1 , old players inculded ( after 3 years of playing I still can't buy a dinasty , and prolly i'll leave my server without having it)
and its fault of ppl who can just : create buffbots > do u see any pp around selling buffs?.. icreasing prices of EVERYTHING > Coins at 500kk...on infinity... ppl farming golkies with their alt chars > 8 coins for a horn...
peeps became stupid..and now we gotta pay the consequences... and as long as ppl won't use their brain...this network will become worse and worse..
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 12:37:16 AM
they should raise a statue honoured to you ehlena
one of the very few guys of this network who rly cares about it , not about new armours/weapons/ and all sh1tty donable equips ... about players...
but as u mentioned this network is changing...as long as players change too.. ( ... )
this time is not drake/mod's fault...the only fault is of players who make this servers sh1t...for every1 , old players inculded ( after 3 years of playing I still can't buy a dinasty , and prolly i'll leave my server without having it)
and its fault of ppl who can just : create buffbots > do u see any pp around selling buffs?.. icreasing prices of EVERYTHING > Coins at 500kk...on infinity... ppl farming golkies with their alt chars > 8 coins for a horn...
peeps became stupid..and now we gotta pay the consequences... and as long as ppl won't use their brain...this network will become worse and worse..
so, maybe is problem with u, because take 5k posts then spend time in game is weird, dont u think?
NCsoft made that cause server is 1x. Here, you got bigger rate. Plus less popularity on server, makes things like you mention.
Well nice ideas.. i hope something will be done with popularity of server.. we need fresh blood...
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 12:13:01 AM
As some of you may have noticed, through all the development process of L2 since prelude till Gracia final, they made it easier and easier for newbies to start, level and reach high levels.
Don't believe? just look how they increased the range lvl of newbie players buffs, starting weapons, vitality, free gk under lvl 40, much more equipment quests to start...
And here? what happens? beginning and reaching high lvl is harder and harder. I don't mean levelling, I mean buying shits, finding shots, crystals that are normally sold at normal prices in starting towns.
You think: what a stupid guy, last time I levelled a reroll, I put it lvl 40 in 2h-2days-2weeks (tick the right answer), yes, sure, but you had a buff bot (and I'm nice, I could have said a pair of subbed buff bots, let's say a se/bd and WC/sws... what? you don't have at least oe of those? n44b!)) after you, top equip, shots and pots and whatever you needed to start.
Now, imagine a new comer: wanna buy a C set? nah!!! you can't find it. buy it at luxury shop, noob! want a C weapon? sls is 60kk. farm ol furs, noob! can't find shots at a decent price? level a crafter, noob! (but I don't want to lvl a crafter, sir, plix help! adena, plix!)
need aa? pay 5kk for priest for having bugged (no, not tie, BUG) validation period.
ok, so he managed to do all this. Time to get a horn. ahhh !WTB horn 1.2kkk! (yeah, he's a freaking rich newcomer) lol noob! give me 12dc not less! or (and this is true and Im not inventing it) give me 100kk adena and you'll (perhaps) be able to participate in a golky
(should I say it's from a nice Italian force member?) What? you're not sure to get a horn? I don't give a freak.
What? RB are stronger? lol, learn to play noob. What, you're not in a big ally? learn to play noob. Join us and if you are a good little boy (aka smd), we'll give you equip and horn.
well. Enough. All this because I heard horn price rocket jumped to 50 lunargents +aa in NM. well.
I'm kinda fed up of all the shits here.
Don't you understand why they make it easier to reach high lvl in oficial? if no, then sorry, nothing can be done for you.
see you.
xD Horn is not 1.2kkk, horn = 20 coins, 20 coins = 18 KKK xD
Quote from: ribera on May 19, 2009, 02:58:40 AM
xD Horn is not 1.2kkk, horn = 20 coins, 20 coins = 18 KKK xD
in infinity is around 8-9 coins :P = 4-4,5kkk
Quote from: TheLox on May 19, 2009, 01:04:22 AM
NCsoft made that cause server is 1x. Here, you got bigger rate. Plus less popularity on server, makes things like you mention.
Did you read him post good?
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 12:13:01 AM
.....................................And here? what happens? beginning and reaching high lvl is harder and harder. I don't mean levelling, I mean buying shits, finding shots, crystals that are normally sold at normal prices in starting towns...........................................
You are right ehlena - no one care if that is not donation option.
For example: in start on HB set of leader on royal guards/knights working well. In 1 or 2 days they was again disabled or bugged ( dunno what exactly ) , but not working again. I try to get attention in NM general section with a lot of bumps, but not even single answer why they are disabled, will they work in future and bla bla. DN :-\ - nothing more to say.
As i always said lower lvl bonuses
(free LESSER buff ex: lvl 1 might acu etc) that can help someone starting, but arn't substitute of real buff
D and C shots buyable at npc
C set buyable at npc
the good old lesser mana potions
those are all things that can help someone at least to a decent lvl
Quote from: Kikolina on May 19, 2009, 09:35:07 AM
u got buffs at newbie helper till lv 40 or so if its ur first char on the account ..
i m not saying they don't exist
i say that this is the way to help ppl :)
we are all lvl 80, and still here askin pls pp buff :D
imagine a lvl 3 char!!!!
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 12:13:01 AM
As some of you may have noticed, through all the development process of L2 since prelude till Gracia final, they made it easier and easier for newbies to start, level and reach high levels.
Don't believe? just look how they increased the range lvl of newbie players buffs, starting weapons, vitality, free gk under lvl 40, much more equipment quests to start...
And here? what happens? beginning and reaching high lvl is harder and harder. I don't mean levelling, I mean buying shits, finding shots, crystals that are normally sold at normal prices in starting towns.
You think: what a stupid guy, last time I levelled a reroll, I put it lvl 40 in 2h-2days-2weeks (tick the right answer), yes, sure, but you had a buff bot (and I'm nice, I could have said a pair of subbed buff bots, let's say a se/bd and WC/sws... what? you don't have at least oe of those? n44b!)) after you, top equip, shots and pots and whatever you needed to start.
Now, imagine a new comer: wanna buy a C set? nah!!! you can't find it. buy it at luxury shop, noob! want a C weapon? sls is 60kk. farm ol furs, noob! can't find shots at a decent price? level a crafter, noob! (but I don't want to lvl a crafter, sir, plix help! adena, plix!)
need aa? pay 5kk for priest for having bugged (no, not tie, BUG) validation period.
ok, so he managed to do all this. Time to get a horn. ahhh !WTB horn 1.2kkk! (yeah, he's a freaking rich newcomer) lol noob! give me 12dc not less! or (and this is true and Im not inventing it) give me 100kk adena and you'll (perhaps) be able to participate in a golky
(should I say it's from a nice Italian force member?) What? you're not sure to get a horn? I don't give a freak.
What? RB are stronger? lol, learn to play noob. What, you're not in a big ally? learn to play noob. Join us and if you are a good little boy (aka smd), we'll give you equip and horn.
well. Enough. All this because I heard horn price rocket jumped to 50 lunargents +aa in NM. well.
I'm kinda fed up of all the shits here.
Don't you understand why they make it easier to reach high lvl in oficial? if no, then sorry, nothing can be done for you.
see you.
100% agreed
+1 to you
+1
Is it that hard... really?
Sure getting gear is hard, but hell i remember playing b-grade set untill lvl 73 the first time i started. You don't have to have the top set of each grade as soon as you reach the appropriate lvl.
And A-grade set's are really cheap nowadays so you actually should be able to buy that after lvling from 40-60 in mahum-fur places. And you can always use shadow weapons.
But i agree that getting a horn is freaked up.... i've played for like 3 or 4 years now, and i have never once gotten a damn horn. Out of all the golky's taht i've camped out of all the golkys taht i've been a part of killing I have never once got a horn. Everytime it's been time for me to subclass i've given up and donated for the damn thing.
Can't even imagine how hard it is now that the golky's have been boosted. They should lower the luna price for horn cause right now its ridiculous.
Quote from: Kikolina on May 19, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
u re dreaming ppl will lower prices to attract new players and have their own lose? are u kidding me lol? everyone is looking only on himself, 70% ppls iqs arent bigger than a FU NOOB DONATOR after a lost pvp, there are actually people that are scamming around, if gms did better job, no walker = nicer prices, but on the other side we got a rly nice drake that can manage every price compared to a donny and fuk up everything :P
100% agree. As ppl (and it's "considered" normal, not by me, but hey.. I'm not alone here) aim at reaching their goal fast and whatever the price, there must be INVOLVED and FAIR gms ("I have a dream,....."). The server should be managed correctly and deeply.
Dnet just proves how anarchy can be a weird way of going with unmature, selfish ppl (don't take it for you personally, whoever read this, I just meant human beings are like this, as we can even see with our shitty globalized freaked up economy -> btw, don't you find a clear similarity, here?^^')
Quote from: Kikolina on May 19, 2009, 09:35:07 AM
u got buffs at newbie helper till lv 40 or so if its ur first char on the account .
you're right, but just look what NCsoft did (and they are not recognized as the best MMORPG managers around...) FREE gk till lvl 40, buffs up to lvl (not 40 but) 62, now.
The EXTREME minimum on infinity (I don't speak for other servers where levelling must be faster) are D shots in npc, in gludio and Dion. C shots can be more easily crafted in giran (but for how much time? the record of min seller number is 10 now....)
we are all top lvl, needing only S shots... 2 solutions:
- always see the same old guys, coming less and less often because of boredom, remove all towns except aden, leave only castles and fortresses, varka spawn, and lvl 75+ levelling spots;
- play L2, not cs.
Quote from: kidicarus on May 19, 2009, 10:59:43 AM
Is it that hard... really?
Sure getting gear is hard, but hell i remember playing b-grade set untill lvl 73 the first time i started. You don't have to have the top set of each grade as soon as you reach the appropriate lvl.
And A-grade set's are really cheap nowadays so you actually should be able to buy that after lvling from 40-60 in mahum-fur places. And you can always use shadow weapons.
But i agree that getting a horn is freaked up.... i've played for like 3 or 4 years now, and i have never once gotten a damn horn. Out of all the golky's taht i've camped out of all the golkys taht i've been a part of killing I have never once got a horn. Everytime it's been time for me to subclass i've given up and donated for the damn thing.
Can't even imagine how hard it is now that the golky's have been boosted. They should lower the luna price for horn cause right now its ridiculous.
+1 except for the part about you B grade at lvl 73. I was also playing in B grade up to 70 I think, but what was the top equip at that time?? a DNet dyna set that could be bought for my ass skin that not even adena limit could reach? or a fairly easily craftable A grade?
BUT as you pointed, the problem is not equip, on that I concur. Even us, with our 10 ppl clan can get S sets and weapons.
the problem is horn and subclass. Just a few weeks ago, it was still possible to camp golkies, gather up a party and kill him. But now?
"Hello, I'm PS 76, invite me in party to kill golky, plox!" lol. Ok, it's 5 dc (if they didn't already pk you on sight).
and now, a hint: in french, DC can be initials for "Dans ton Cul" -> in your ass :D
.....
OMG you stupid orc, who will read those tons of crap?
sorry for writing so much. I'm selbuffed.
Quote from: Khaot on May 19, 2009, 12:41:10 AM
so, maybe is problem with u, because take 5k posts then spend time in game is weird, dont u think?
/flame
in spite of you i'm not so idiot to spend my life playing 192380192381209812 hours in this stupid game , and writing in forum requires ... how much to write a post ? 20 secs ? and im not that moron to sell with huge prices everything I'v , even to my clan members just for my own profit , mby u'r , but now tell me an easy to way to get dinasty/oe equips without donate or play in a uber clan since years =)
once again , idiot , my post count doesnt show anything
/flame
stop posting stupid things and keep the topic UP
@kiko
the way could be easy ... following ur words it would be quite enough...don't donate =)...the point expressed by ehlena is 80% player's fault
ppl are simply too selfish ( and don't say that it's not true...cause u know better than me =)...)
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
ppl are simply too selfish ( and don't say that it's not true...cause u know better than me =)...)
and how do u expect that it would change?
one way is drake put coins buyable in NPC with adena, with a fixed price, it would stabilish a bit prices.
example: coins 1 month ago in 5x = 380kk, now 500kk, ofc its players fault, its rly simple, im accounter, i know what generates it, but no way to make changes on it, unless some GM move ass to help economy.
Quote from: Akon on May 19, 2009, 05:00:19 PM
and how do u expect that it would change?
one way is drake put coins buyable in NPC with adena, with a fixed price, it would stabilish a bit prices.
example: coins 1 month ago in 5x = 380kk, now 500kk, ofc its players fault, its rly simple, im accounter, i know what generates it, but no way to make changes on it, unless some GM move ass to help economy.
so thinking that way
if u see a market selling milk for 200 euros u buy it untill the market changes his prices ?
once again
ppl . are . dumb
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 05:05:18 PM
so thinking that way
if u see a market selling milk for 200 euros u buy it untill the market changes his prices ?
once again
ppl . are . dumb
the prob is, D coins, buy everything...
then, a guy donate and get 200 coins lets say,
he wants a horn...
ok, horn price is 5 dc , but the mofo who has the horn, wants 7 for it, and since 7 coins looking in 200 is almost nothing, he buys, and the price gradually goes up in that way. BUT OFC if he dont buy at this price, ppls wont sell it expensivier, its rly simple. but ofc, wont happen.
Quote from: Akon on May 19, 2009, 05:17:33 PM
the prob is, D coins, buy everything...
then, a guy donate and get 200 coins lets say,
he wants a horn...
ok, horn price is 5 dc , but the mofo who has the horn, wants 7 for it, and since 7 coins looking in 200 is almost nothing, he buys, and the price gradually goes up in that way. BUT OFC if he dont buy at this price, ppls wont sell it expensivier, its rly simple. but ofc, wont happen.
now , u got my point :P
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
now , u got my point :P
i didnt, it was my point also
simple rules of market..
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 12:37:16 AM
ppl farming golkies with their alt chars > 8 coins for a horn...
ppl =-D???????
Quote from: Dhart on May 19, 2009, 12:37:16 AM
( after 3 years of playing I still can't buy a dinasty , and prolly i'll leave my server without having it)
spamming hours on forum will not make appear a dynasty in your inventory XD
there is too much adena on market, and nothing to buy at NPC (only D weapons for crystalls and Ore for making shots. and GK)
Adena amount rises, prices rise as well.
After drake removed D and C shots from NPC, prices for this shots rised a lot (x4-x10 times)
what new player will be able to pay 50 adena for SSD (craft price 10a)?
but anyway, if drake was ready to lose several full servers from network, and didn't do anything to stop that, there will be nothing done to get new players to still exixsting servers.
c'on guys we need 1 adena grinder...
some cool event that suck adena from the server (not like bews lolevent that made more damage that benefits to the server)...
maybe setting an npc that sells all kinds of lifestones for adena with a price equal to the market vault of xxxxx grade lifestone lvl xx...
or maybe an npc that sells L2-scrolls with all kinds of buffs/dances/songs that stand for 1 hour... setting price for 20kk each =-P
damn this 1 would destroy trillions of adena in few days... ofc...buffers will be workless for some week.... but surely the adena will go down...
write your ideas...
easyest way to burn adena?
just remember that ppl are lazy (99%of them)
so put something needed in shop for a decent price and u got the point
Quote from: Akon on May 19, 2009, 05:00:19 PM
and how do u expect that it would change?
just make dc not tradable?
dc is supposed to go from player to donny, nothing more, nothing less.
people are speculating over dc, making an adena bubble (like the dollar bubble for stock options and/or subprimes). the problem is that adena is not limited (not like true money) so this bubble won't explode and will grow insanely.
Quote from: Akon on May 19, 2009, 05:00:19 PM
one way is drake put coins buyable in NPC with adena, with a fixed price, it would stabilish a bit prices.
example: coins 1 month ago in 5x = 380kk, now 500kk, ofc its players fault, its rly simple, im accounter, i know what generates it, but no way to make changes on it, unless some GM move ass to help economy.
yep, good idea also. But will our mighty Drake will ear this?
+1 also for jack ideas. Lifestones is just great. Augment don't stack and you can't trade/sell/exchange them. This wold be a great way of sucking adena a little.
or make (surely asks more work) some customized items (like the arena set, but without the shitty bonus), like shields, or armors, or perhaps items with dedicated clans/allies colors? Who wouldn't like to wear unique items for a price in adena?
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
just make dc not tradable?
dc is supposed to go from player to donny, nothing more, nothing less.
people are speculating over dc, making an adena bubble (like the dollar bubble for stock options and/or subprimes). the problem is that adena is not limited (not like true money) so this bubble won't explode and will grow insanely.
yep, good idea also. But will our mighty Drake will ear this?
i love this dude <3
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
just make dc not tradable?
dc is supposed to go from player to donny, nothing more, nothing less.
people are speculating over dc, making an adena bubble (like the dollar bubble for stock options and/or subprimes). the problem is that adena is not limited (not like true money) so this bubble won't explode and will grow insanely.
yep, good idea also. But will our mighty Drake will ear this?
u have the same think as me, non tradeable would be great, cuz would stop the market to buy / sell everything for DC., and some real pricces would come back to appear, like prices not higher than 2kkk.. and since top styuffs would be lower priced, the another would graduatilly going down also.
damn, we solved dn economy.
Quote from: Akon on May 19, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
u have the same think as me, non tradeable would be great, cuz would stop the market to buy / sell everything for DC., and some real pricces would come back to appear, like prices not higher than 2kkk.. and since top styuffs would be lower priced, the another would graduatilly going down also.
damn, we solved dn economy.
too bad drake will never listen to u :D
You want ppl to come here?
LOL look at those dynasty shits, and the other coin only shits what going to make the servers shittier :D
These are real anti-player things. Not just the new players avoid these servers, but the current players leave...
well i believe that when DC turns untradable new curency will start. eg. lunargents. 1 luna costs what ? 400kk ?
Quote from: Riibet on May 19, 2009, 07:39:42 PM
well i believe that when DC turns untradable new curency will start. eg. lunargents. 1 luna costs what ? 400kk ?
no no, adena will reign again, for sure.
dc never gonna be untradeable, bcuz that will cause lower demand to dc-s, so donators will donate fewer euros, and drake want MUUUCH euros....
if the enchant scrolls will be stackable the EWS/BEAS/BEWS will become the new corrency if coins will be untradable Xd
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on May 20, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
if the enchant scrolls will be stackable the EWS/BEAS/BEWS will become the new corrency if coins will be untradable Xd
since ppls bots as hell, and there is a lot of ews and other shits on market, i guess would be np,
market rules, when u have A LOT of something and many sellers , the concorrency gets biggers, and price goes down... :)
if there is a lot of EWS, why prices went from 350kk to up to 550kk?
Quote from: ehlena on May 20, 2009, 02:27:25 PM
if there is a lot of EWS, why prices went from 350kk to up to 550kk?
2 things for sure.
1 - ews is linked since long time with DC, 1 dc = 1 ews, since DC increased price, u know...
2 - at ur pm.
Quote from: Torek [IF] on May 20, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
yes but the problem is: many EWS?? many ++++++++++++++++++++ weapons
Well since with NORMAL scrolls weapons tend to break more often then not i would think that the OED weapon count actually would go down.
And i don't know about opther servers but on NM its almost impossible to buy normal EWS. Im trying to buy for 1kkk but theres noone selling. Theres actually more BEWS on the market then normal ews.
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 03:05:42 PM
Well since with NORMAL scrolls weapons tend to break more often then not i would think that the OED weapon count actually would go down.
And i don't know about opther servers but on NM its almost impossible to buy normal EWS. Im trying to buy for 1kkk but theres noone selling. Theres actually more BEWS on the market then normal ews.
in 5x actually there is many ews on market..
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 03:05:42 PM
Well since with NORMAL scrolls weapons tend to break more often then not i would think that the OED weapon count actually would go down.
And i don't know about opther servers but on NM its almost impossible to buy normal EWS. Im trying to buy for 1kkk but theres noone selling. Theres actually more BEWS on the market then normal ews.
not in infinity at least,majority of OE weapons are made with normal ews
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on May 20, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
if the enchant scrolls will be stackable the EWS/BEAS/BEWS will become the new corrency if coins will be untradable Xd
in HB they WILL be stackable, same as books at last
and prices went up, cause a lot less ppl can now farm RBs
Quote from: flamingAwe on May 20, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
in HB they WILL be stackable, same as books at last
and prices went up, cause a lot less ppl can now farm RBs
what u mean with "stackable" about enchants?
Quote from: flamingAwe on May 20, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
in HB they WILL be stackable, same as books at last
and prices went up, cause a lot less ppl can now farm RBs
1.The scrools dont stack.
2.Prices went down drastically since everyone is selling their stuff for d.coins to get icarus weapons.
Quote from: Akon on May 20, 2009, 03:51:50 PM
what u mean with "stackable" about enchants?
they use the same slot on inventory?
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 20, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
2.Prices went down drastically since everyone is selling their stuff for d.coins to get icarus weapons.
That is normal too. Happened on every update. In 3-4 months it goes back to "normal".
About the possibilities to fix economy i remeber when the adena/DC bug happened the only true solution was: WIPE IT ALL!!
With that we could fix mutants bugs, economy, etc, etc, etc. I would not have time to make a new char (DN sub+noblesse) from zero in less than 8-10 months but that would attract new players, refresh server donations and so on.
What happened? BEWS event, star wars weapons, buggers not banned and richer from their exploits.
Quote from: krivelios on May 20, 2009, 04:01:57 PM
That is normal too. Happened on every update. In 3-4 months it goes back to "normal".
About the possibilities to fix economy i remeber when the adena/DC bug happened the only true solution was: WIPE IT ALL!!
With that we could fix mutants bugs, economy, etc, etc, etc. I would not have time to make a new char (DN sub+noblesse) from zero in less than 8-10 months but that would attract new players, refresh server donations and so on.
What happened? BEWS event, star wars weapons, buggers not banned and richer from their exploits.
Wipe sounds interesting, but will never happen. ;)
And just imagine it how everyone plays in A grade and than some guys will have dynasty sets and icarus weapons killing you with 1 hit. People would leave the server becouse they will never be able to reach icarus weapons. Now its not such a big difference since non donating people can still get OED S- grade weapons that were made with enchant events so the difference between donators and non donators isnt that huge...
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 20, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
Wipe sounds interesting, but will never happen. ;)
And just imagine it how everyone plays in A grade and than some guys will have dynasty sets and icarus weapons killing you with 1 hit. People would leave the server becouse they will never be able to reach icarus weapons. Now its not such a big difference since non donating people can still get OED S- grade weapons that were made with enchant events so the difference between donators and non donators isnt that huge...
Actually some of the richest ppl i know are non-donators.....
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Actually some of the richest ppl i know are non-donators.....
probably they play 18/24h
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Actually some of the richest ppl i know are non-donators.....
Im not saying only donnys have icarus weapons, if i wouldnt drop valakas half year ago i would probably have an icarus weapon, dynasty set and rb set too right now, but i was playing NM for a pretty long time :)
Quote from: Akon on May 20, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
probably they play 18/24h
Not really, you just need to be a little lucky and use your brain. I just earned arround 30 coins with hellbound update without playing at all ;)
Quote from: Akon on May 20, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
probably they play 18/24h
or they play since the begin of the server =-P
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on May 20, 2009, 04:37:25 PM
or they play since the begin of the server =-P
even in this case.. :)
i know MANY that plays since, and still dont even have DIn set...
u still need play alot/day to make it.
dont tell me a player that plays for fun, like 2h per day can get it.
Quote from: Akon on May 20, 2009, 04:39:32 PM
even in this case.. :)
i know MANY that plays since, and still dont even have DIn set...
u still need play alot/day to make it.
dont tell me a player that plays for fun, like 2h per day can get it.
ofc... if those 2 hours are not spent standing in town or in coliseum =-P
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 20, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
1.The scrools dont stack.
2.Prices went down drastically since everyone is selling their stuff for d.coins to get icarus weapons.
1.You are completely wrong,
Enchant Weapon/Armor Scrolls, Spellbooks, and Life Stones are now stackable.
2. I guess that prices of EWS will drop to 500kk (fault of anyone)? ???
blessed farmers ...
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 03:05:42 PM
Well since with NORMAL scrolls weapons tend to break more often then not i would think that the OED weapon count actually would go down.
And i don't know about opther servers but on NM its almost impossible to buy normal EWS. Im trying to buy for 1kkk but theres noone selling. Theres actually more BEWS on the market then normal ews.
you live in which world or indeed in what world do you play? IL?
I will send a screen and refresh your brainless,
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P.S: the screen was taken at early after several restarts.
Quote from: kidicarus on May 20, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Actually some of the richest ppl i know are non-donators.....
Who xd
Quote from: Akon on May 20, 2009, 04:39:32 PM
dont tell me a player that plays for fun, like 2h per day can get it.
No comment ;f
Quote from: Riibet on May 19, 2009, 07:39:42 PM
well i believe that when DC turns untradable new curency will start. eg. lunargents. 1 luna costs what ? 400kk ?
on dragon 900kk
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on May 20, 2009, 04:46:19 PM
ofc... if those 2 hours are not spent standing in town or in coliseum =-P
atm in 2 hours u can just call some parties for 1-2 rbs , and then those 2 hours almost ended and u prolly won't get any drop since u'r sharing items with 10 + ppl ( exemple )
Quote from: Dhart on May 20, 2009, 05:16:41 PM
atm in 2 hours u can just call some parties for 1-2 rbs , and then those 2 hours almost ended and u prolly won't get any drop since u'r sharing items with 10 + ppl ( exemple )
if U make 1 or 2 raids everyday trust me... soon or later U will take something... and if invest your drops in good trades... coin after coin U can buy evrything...
and the most important thing to remember is that:
money makes more money =-P
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on May 19, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
ppl =-D???????
U, se/bd, and a sws/ee as boxes xDDDDDDDDDD
:)
Quote from: TargetMe on May 20, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
U, se/bd, and a sws/ee as boxes xDDDDDDDDDD
:)
never had those kind of chars...
maybe an sh/bd... a sws/sr and a wc/ty =-D
This topic will be a shout in a mountain.....like the rest of it...
DN was ,is and will be a donators world. Normal players will get 1% chance to get GM attention. WTF NOOB U DARE TO PM MI FOR SOME SHIT A GRADE SET ? GTFO,Oh wait Ill ban u for that too...u wasted mi time! ...char xxxxxx banned for 1200 reason : GM Offense . Or u pm a gm that ur Dyna set got scammed and he ask u when did u donated for it ? U say that its not from a donation and u fired u ass up from playing to get one and he just stops ignoring. Some1 scammed ur items and turned out its a gm friend ..np the gms disappear in a sec .
Horn are pain in the ass,quest items too, not to mention to get dyna set or Icarus weapon without donating...LOL its freaking impossible for a newbie who just came here. But drake doesnt give a freak.... calculate all the dyna sets in the network and multiply the number 100 times and u will see how much cash Drake got only from some stupid OP sets,not to mention coins that were destroyed in BEWS events, horns and other shits ,now imagine what will happen with the Icarus weapons...and u gonna tell me that this goes for server taxes ? LOL Didnt u get enough Drake ? Or u greedenes is endless ? Some day that greed of urs will drag u right to the bottom and u wont like it. U r destroying party by part the biggest L2 network.
Quote from: Semper-Fi on May 20, 2009, 06:19:41 PM
This topic will be a shout in a mountain.....like the rest of it...
DN was ,is and will be a donators world. Normal players will get 1% chance to get GM attention. WTF NOOB U DARE TO PM MI FOR SOME SHIT A GRADE SET ? GTFO,Oh wait Ill ban u for that too...u wasted mi time! ...char xxxxxx banned for 1200 reason : GM Offense . Or u pm a gm that ur Dyna set got scammed and he ask u when did u donated for it ? U say that its not from a donation and u fired u ass up from playing to get one and he just stops ignoring. Some1 scammed ur items and turned out its a gm friend ..np the gms disappear in a sec .
Horn are pain in the ass,quest items too, not to mention to get dyna set or Icarus weapon without donating...LOL its freaking impossible for a newbie who just came here. But drake doesnt give a freak.... calculate all the dyna sets in the network and multiply the number 100 times and u will see how much cash Drake got only from some stupid OP sets,not to mention coins that were destroyed in BEWS events, horns and other shits ,now imagine what will happen with the Icarus weapons...and u gonna tell me that this goes for server taxes ? LOL Didnt u get enough Drake ? Or u greedenes is endless ? Some day that greed of urs will drag u right to the bottom and u wont like it. U r destroying party by part the biggest L2 network.
You're right, but so what.
Drake made this network, he can do with it whatever he likes, destroy it, take it down any minute.
Quote from: Furesy on May 20, 2009, 05:04:19 PM
Who xd
Well you and Rebel are high on the list :P Don't think rich girl Viana has donated either but not sure of that.
Quote from: Furesy on May 20, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
You're right, but so what.
Drake made this network, he can do with it whatever he likes, destroy it, take it down any minute.
yes, but there was a time when he was there often, caring, involved, and not only about the money (imo).
This is what lacks the most nowadays. We can understand he has something else to do (music or whatever) but ppl don't want to be only a complementary income only.
ehlena.. seriously... honestly.. do you believe in a change? even in the slightest possibility of it, like 0,01% chance ? ...
cmon...
if i was you i d grab my guild and search for whatever other decent place. starting over, playing as low lvl can t be worse .. how much of a "game" is left here?
Quote from: weapon_zero on May 20, 2009, 09:33:47 PM
ehlena.. seriously... honestly.. do you believe in a change? even in the slightest possibility of it, like 0,01% chance ? ...
cmon...
if i was you i d grab my guild and search for whatever other decent place. starting over, playing as low lvl can t be worse .. how much of a "game" is left here?
well...I could bet...for newbe starters wich are lvl 40-50-60 would be faster getting lvl 80 starting over new in a other server xD...
Quote from: weapon_zero on May 20, 2009, 09:33:47 PM
ehlena.. seriously... honestly.. do you believe in a change? even in the slightest possibility of it, like 0,01% chance ? ...
cmon...
if i was you i d grab my guild and search for whatever other decent place. starting over, playing as low lvl can t be worse .. how much of a "game" is left here?
I just can't help being naive ;)
Quote from: ehlena on May 19, 2009, 12:13:01 AM
why they make it easier to reach high lvl in oficial?
They have been adding new features for high levels more than low levels.
Some of 81 skills' learning level had been raised to 83. Now it's easy to get forgotten scrolls for those skills from new instance raids. Problem is exping same as before. Vitals ? Vital level 4 goes down to 3 in 20 mins at 80+ while earning 0.1~0.2% exp in official.
Oh, you can pay for tokens to play slot game to get vital charge items. ;) (well it's just an example)
We just need fun, not a complicated game system itself. It's good to have player support features but what's the point if we have nothing to use them for ?
Quote from: flamingAwe on May 19, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
there is too much adena on market, and nothing to buy at NPC (only D weapons for crystalls and Ore for making shots. and GK)
Adena amount rises, prices rise as well.
1. Its called an inflation, and you are right,when ppl have more then 2-3kk in theyre pocket theyll pay for theyre mana pots 40k+ or for theyre SS more. I've been thinking and there is no other way to maintain the economy unless it is suprevised by the GM's, ofcourse the price rises,its an economical law, its called marketing, buying for less, selling for more.And you cannot ask for ppl to selll for less to "help" the economy,as well as u cannot ask ur grocery seller down the street to lower the price on tomatos,just so poor ppl will buy. Thats why we stay and sell, for profits, ofcourse ur not gonna buy a weapon and sell it for the same price, you want to get money of it.I made more money from trades then from drops or stuff like that.All you do is buy cheap items when u see them,and sell them to a desperate guy who really need it then, its called speculation, and thats how the economy works, all over the earth, and everyone who said "ohhh i dont sell for more, i want to keep the price lower" is a lier, and we all know it, we would sell something overpriced and anybody would so dont by a hypocrite. The problem with this server is....too much adena comming to players...nothing comming out.Someone tell me what money goes into the npc? SOE?SOR?. Money devaluation...and its bad because we play here for 2-3 years, and we got lots of it, kks over kks of adena, a newcommer cand afford to pay 1kkk for an A set ( im talking of dragon,the rest i dont know).
2. One of my friends came to play last month,hes new to l2 so he didnt knew how to make money, but that compensates with the thing taht i lend him a Maj Light and a bow. He played like crazy for a 1 moth now,and u know how much he got? 1kkk because he was close to a pk when he dropped shit that he sold for 750kk. THATS IT! in 1 month with good equip he got 250kk,what can he buy with that on dragon 15x? ammm.....NOTHING!!! And not to say that he grinded fater then others with my top A equip.
3.And we get to nr.3, a sensitive spot, Doners (Drake dont faint...i understand u too man).I dont mind doners,let them have theyre way, freak it, if for me 500 euros wouldnt be that much,hell yeah i would donate rather then spend years on getting that damn horn that looks like a tooth.BUT the gap between dinasty and craftable S is too much, the gap between a DB+SA and a DB+16 is too god damn much, this is where he was wrong, when he got greedy,when he accepted 600-700 euros+ in exchange for +16 and more weapons. This is why we hate donners.
Ok solutions? I got a few.
1st of al is DC, no more dc coins, theyre would have to be non tradeable, and no more selling weps +16,u want one? here u go 500 dc, exchange for adena, and try ur luck.And we would have something like "platinum" that its worth 1kkk at the NPC, wich cand be bought and sold for the same price.
2nd of all, get the money out of the goddamn players,and something non-tradeable or something that will raise its value in time like bews (it was a good idea...but it wasnt thought all the way). And make them keep giving theyre money to the npc so the prices will stay at the same lvl,so the money value wont decrease dramaticly.
3rd and final: Make it worth man...thats what its all about for new players, make it worth for them to stay here,let them know that after 2-3 months they will have horn,because whats everyone really hunting , equipment should be a challange, should break a sweat. But make horn accesable. Ive been playing here for 2 years man,and no...i did not get a horn,not because i didnt want to, its because 35dc its ludacris man,and its just not worth it at this price.Now with the 5 golkys mmmmm....its okay...but still not enough. Make them love DN for its subclass and make them donate for items.
And ppl pls dont try to flame, i didnt writ all this shit and grindid my mind for some idiot to say " haha 2 years and so sub...haha noob"
DC non transfereble is a good idea, also consider special items like lifestones and some special service like changing names for 100kk adena should drain econemy enough. making a new item don't help the econemy , mb if u lets say buy it for 1.2kkk, and sell it for 1kkk.
Bout golky's yeah there to tough now, mb drake should concider lowering there p def/p att m def and drop more then 1 horn as quest. if the new subsystem is gonna come, mb concider making a new questitem for the ppl that is gonna sub retail and another quest mob to kill, stronger then golky(mb even as strong as valakas?) that would own concidering u need an ally.
Quote from: zylar on May 22, 2009, 11:16:39 PM
making a new item don't help the econemy , mb if u lets say buy it for 1.2kkk, and sell it for 1kkk.
Sure we do man...cuz of the 2kkk adena limit, we need another item, that represents a fixed value of adena.And buying for 1.2kkk and seliing for 1kkk isnt a good thing...cuz then the price will oscilate. There must be the same price buying=selling. Hope u understood my point.
Quote from: zylar on May 22, 2009, 11:16:39 PM
Bout golky's yeah there to tough now, mb drake should concider lowering there p def/p att m def and drop more then 1 horn as quest. if the new subsystem is gonna come, mb concider making a new questitem for the ppl that is gonna sub retail and another quest mob to kill, stronger then golky(mb even as strong as valakas?) that would own concidering u need an ally.
True, ive seen a briliant idea on the forum.. about those nails. that would be just great.It would make it WORTH to go to golky,because alot of ppl,like me, are very unlucky.So it would be a sure thing. And we need more quest horns,not more horns simple. Dropable horns --> farming
[quote}True, ive seen a briliant idea on the forum.. about those nails. that would be just great.It would make it WORTH to go to golky,because alot of ppl,like me, are very unlucky.So it would be a sure thing. And we need more quest horns,not more horns simple. Dropable horns --> farming
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I didn't mean more dropable, but more then one quest horn from 1 golky if its posible.
Quote from: Nabz0r on May 23, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
Sure we do man...cuz of the 2kkk adena limit, we need another item, that represents a fixed value of adena.And buying for 1.2kkk and seliing for 1kkk isnt a good thing...cuz then the price will oscilate. There must be the same price buying=selling. Hope u understood my point.
By giving it an oscilating price u get money from the server too
Quote from: zylar on May 23, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
By giving it an oscilating price u get money from the server too
Care to explain?
Quote from: Nabz0r on May 22, 2009, 09:43:41 PM
Ok solutions? I got a few.
1st of al is DC, no more dc coins, theyre would have to be non tradeable, and no more selling weps +16,u want one? here u go 500 dc, exchange for adena, and try ur luck.And we would have something like "platinum" that its worth 1kkk at the NPC, wich cand be bought and sold for the same price.
2nd of all, get the money out of the goddamn players,and something non-tradeable or something that will raise its value in time like bews (it was a good idea...but it wasnt thought all the way). And make them keep giving theyre money to the npc so the prices will stay at the same lvl,so the money value wont decrease dramaticly.
3rd and final: Make it worth man...thats what its all about for new players, make it worth for them to stay here,let them know that after 2-3 months they will have horn,because whats everyone really hunting , equipment should be a challange, should break a sweat. But make horn accesable. Ive been playing here for 2 years man,and no...i did not get a horn,not because i didnt want to, its because 35dc its ludacris man,and its just not worth it at this price.Now with the 5 golkys mmmmm....its okay...but still not enough. Make them love DN for its subclass and make them donate for items.
And ppl pls dont try to flame, i didnt writ all this shit and grindid my mind for some idiot to say " haha 2 years and so sub...haha noob"
there another option: after a space of time (3 month, for example) the DC could be vanished. this means you must use the DC trading them with Donny or players, and dont store it awaiting new enchant events.
well, I'm not a big fan of economy and such stuff, but it's a bit weird, that for example Maj Light Set costs less on NM, then on Dragon.. lol. Nevermind, I would never ever start on this network from zero again. :P On Dragon especially.
Quote from: Ashlynn on May 27, 2009, 06:51:42 PM
well, I'm not a big fan of economy and such stuff, but it's a bit weird, that for example Maj Light Set costs less on NM, then on Dragon.. lol. Nevermind, I would never ever start on this network from zero again. :P On Dragon especially.
easy, more archers....