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Title: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Nabz0r on May 23, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
Ok so im thinking about making a ol/es (stfu i dont what to know ur oppinion on the char) so i tested not the seraphim buff but the sws renewal buff on my lvl 61 sps. So with pp buffs+dances+renewal, at 1847 cast speed, only 1st hit is at normal cast speed, the rest were slower because my SS was delaying. So i was casting at same speed as if i didnt use SS,and to me thats just freaked up. Can someone tell me if its a fact or just my freakin imagination.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Atta on May 23, 2009, 11:45:59 PM
fact. that's why maxing out cast speed is fun for taking pics and no more. you can always just wait half a second for ur ss to load up
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Nabz0r on May 24, 2009, 12:06:34 AM
Ok...so its a fact,and that means what? dont use seraphim buff? or what? because its better anyway to have the buff then to not have it, at 1.8k (around 2.1 with arcane agility) the cast without ss is better then the cast without renewal.
Anyway i still want to hear more about it. Saying that max cast isnt good its not a solution for me...if thats the case...there will be one more bow on server ffs :|
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: WindPhoenix on May 24, 2009, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: Kikolina on May 24, 2009, 11:04:52 AM
that happens maybe to 1-2 nukes, its not like perma lol, and it can also happen at lower casting speed (f.e. it happens many times with my sps ee on oly), i still believe it has smth to do with sending / receiving packets and my shiity connection, cos when i look to other sps ee s they just heal faster >.>, so the thing that bigger cast makes ss not working (if i understood u correct?) is bullshit, 90% of the time on my sps ee i can nuke normally on 2.4k (also no difference on 2.7)  :)
i reached 3081 casting on ES/SPS and i can reach 3100+
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: wildpussy on May 24, 2009, 01:34:14 PM
give me es noble, i can reach ~3750 :>
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Nabz0r on May 24, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
Guys stick to the point.Another friend tested on his sps,and same shit, SS doesnt activate in time,it same with SS or without after 1st hit. No one on this server can give me a straight answer?
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: WindPhoenix on May 24, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: Nabz0r on May 24, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
Guys stick to the point.Another friend tested on his sps,and same shit, SS doesnt activate in time,it same with SS or without after 1st hit. No one on this server can give me a straight answer?
its about server lag. a ES/SPS on full buff and arcane agility has such a huge casting speed that the SS fail to fire that fast. hence, you shoot like 1/3 or even 1/2 hits w/o ss.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: wildpussy on May 24, 2009, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: Nabz0r on May 24, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
Guys stick to the point.Another friend tested on his sps,and same shit, SS doesnt activate in time,it same with SS or without after 1st hit. No one on this server can give me a straight answer?
straight answer: the server is not fast enough, all you can do is stop holding attack button and wait for SS use or lower ur casting to a rate where u'll be able to hold it without problem

ps. try it at normal hour and try it at 4 AM when 300 people online ....
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: b_tudor on May 24, 2009, 02:40:23 PM
well, i think i have the solution. I have an old kit of 2x512 ddr2 kingmax. i`ll send it to drake, since he can`t afford some more ram, on the crappy servers. Guess donations aren`t so generouss....
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Dadghamor on May 24, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
manual activating of suolshot like c3... ;P
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: DaVinci on May 24, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Kikolina on May 24, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
and lol ? u think i dont know sps es can reach taht much (more than u)? or what is the point of ur post? being dumb and showing off? lol
hypocrite kid, u did it first lol
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: DaVinci on May 24, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: Kikolina on May 24, 2009, 06:21:41 PM
LOL? i told that my ss doesnt lagg at the c speed i got, what is showing off here? guy posted his c speed without mentioning anything else like YEA I GOT MORE ON SPS ES THAN SPS EE HAS HAHAHHA H IM THE BETS LOL omfg, ur bow blown ur mind?


ps: 3.1 on sps es is still low xD
you doing it again, rofl :D:D
ps: u got the biggest penis, happy now ?
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Nabz0r on May 25, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
Pff that freaking sucks....thx for the answer guys. Been very helpfull
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 11:23:50 AM
Quote from: Nabz0r on May 23, 2009, 10:53:53 PM
Ok so im thinking about making a ol/es (stfu i dont what to know ur oppinion on the char) so i tested not the seraphim buff but the sws renewal buff on my lvl 61 sps. So with pp buffs+dances+renewal, at 1847 cast speed, only 1st hit is at normal cast speed, the rest were slower because my SS was delaying. So i was casting at same speed as if i didnt use SS,and to me thats just freaked up. Can someone tell me if its a fact or just my freakin imagination.

Huh.... necro/es on 3106 cast speed had no trouble with bss lag. Mb it has something to do with your computer aswell? Or have i just been lucky?
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: PoToSi on May 25, 2009, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 11:23:50 AM
Huh.... necro/es on 3106 cast speed had no trouble with bss lag. Mb it has something to do with your computer aswell? Or have i just been lucky?

Its not about cast, but reuse.

If you spam Hydro blast at such cast speed (or even lower) with no reuse, one skill is used after other, and no ss loads between, maybe while you use the skill.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: PoToSi on May 25, 2009, 01:39:17 PM
Its not about cast, but reuse.

If you spam Hydro blast at such cast speed (or even lower) with no reuse, one skill is used after other, and no ss loads between, maybe while you use the skill.

I tested it with vampiric claw, and seraphimbuff. It had no reuse at all and was like 2 strings of red beads pumping towards me.... draining all my MP in about 4 seconds. Completely useless but i did the same dmg on every hit so the bsss loaded every time.

But then on death spike it was more like 70% loaded bsss. Mb the skill has something to do with it, or mb i was just lucky :/

But at 2k cast theres almost never a bsss problem.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Akon on May 25, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
I tested it with vampiric claw, and seraphimbuff. It had no reuse at all and was like 2 strings of red beads pumping towards me.... draining all my MP in about 4 seconds. Completely useless but i did the same dmg on every hit so the bsss loaded every time.

But then on death spike it was more like 70% loaded bsss. Mb the skill has something to do with it, or mb i was just lucky :/

But at 2k cast theres almost never a bsss problem.

Vamp Claw has bigger reuse than Death spike, IMO is clear now..  our server cant reply this cast/reuse , i dont think its our connection problem.

ur Vamp Claw works, cuz it has a way more reuse than death spike, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Dag on May 25, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
i want that casting ....in bow atk speed !!!!!!!!! at least 1500-2000 plsssss
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Akon on May 25, 2009, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: Dag on May 25, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
i want that casting ....in bow atk speed !!!!!!!!! at least 1500-2000 plsssss

SS lags, i experiencied it in c4 with he/ty on puma.
happens also  on fighters hehe.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: WindPhoenix on May 25, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: Dag on May 25, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
i want that casting ....in bow atk speed !!!!!!!!! at least 1500-2000 plsssss
ok, just give me the crit rate of archers.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: FadeAway on May 25, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on May 25, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
ok, just give me the crit rate of archers.

did archers ever have 100% crit rate? beqause i clearly remember mages had 100% m crit rate

and dont know how it is with mages but on my pal/tyr like 30% of my soulshots didnt load just beqause of the high atk speed.
But imo it's a bit of a server problem, i mean c'mon i've seen people with 5k c speed on java servers and each soulshot loaded.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: FadeAway on May 25, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
did archers ever have 100% crit rate? beqause i clearly remember mages had 100% m crit rate

and dont know how it is with mages but on my pal/tyr like 30% of my soulshots didnt load just beqause of the high atk speed.
But imo it's a bit of a server problem, i mean c'mon i've seen people with 5k c speed on java servers and each soulshot loaded.

I have screen from c3 when my th got 1100~ critrate, so fighters have actually been able to reach 100% aswell :p
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: FadeAway on May 25, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 03:32:48 PM
I have screen from c3 when my th got 1100~ critrate, so fighters have actually been able to reach 100% aswell :p

i played 1 week in c3 time, so i had no clue about that xD. But that's WAY back haha
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: WindPhoenix on May 25, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: FadeAway on May 25, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
i played 1 week in c3 time, so i had no clue about that xD. But that's WAY back haha
So is mage crit rate, WAS 100% now is crap compared to archers.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Akon on May 25, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: WindPhoenix on May 25, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
So is mage crit rate, WAS 100% now is crap compared to archers.

thats why mages have debuffs, cancels, blocks, etc etc etc, and fighters no.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: thechewu on May 25, 2009, 03:40:44 PM
Quote from: FadeAway on May 25, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
did archers ever have 100% crit rate? beqause i clearly remember mages had 100% m crit rate

and dont know how it is with mages but on my pal/tyr like 30% of my soulshots didnt load just beqause of the high atk speed.
But imo it's a bit of a server problem, i mean c'mon i've seen people with 5k c speed on java servers and each soulshot loaded.
yea its kinda embarasing for dn that ss dont lagg on l2core where u can get 7k cast 
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: WindPhoenix on May 25, 2009, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Akon on May 25, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
thats why mages have debuffs, cancels, blocks, etc etc etc, and fighters no.
true  :P
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Dhart on May 25, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Akon on May 25, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
thats why mages have debuffs, cancels, blocks, etc etc etc, and fighters no.
amen
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Playboy on May 25, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
yes, they have sleep, debuffs (min 5), cubics,cancel  etc, but archer have F1 = 1-2 shots , and mage cant even cast this 1 or 2 debuffs  when he get hit 10k in d. robe and TP :D
R.I.P
Quote from: Dhart on May 25, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
amen
good joke  :P
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Akon on May 25, 2009, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: Playboy on May 25, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
yes, they have sleep, debuffs (min 5), cubics,cancel  etc, but archer have F1 = 1-2 shots , and mage cant even cast this 1 or 2 debuffs  when he get hit 10k in d. robe and TP :D
R.I.P

get a tanker Subclass if u want be a Archer killer, or simple use Buffs  for shield Defense

archers ARE SUPOSED to be the mage killer.
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Painkiler on May 25, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Akon on May 25, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
thats why mages have debuffs, cancels, blocks, etc etc etc, and fighters no.
give me crit power buffs , higher speed , more hp/cp , almost no mana usage with bow, arrow resists buffs for every1 and ok
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Painkiler on May 25, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
give me crit power buffs , higher speed , more hp/cp , almost no mana usage with bow, arrow resists buffs for every1 and ok

Welcome to hellbound. We have both songs and dance to reduce archer dmg. Besides you already have deflect lvl 4 so what are u whining about....
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Akon on May 25, 2009, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: kidicarus on May 25, 2009, 05:00:17 PM
. Besides you already have deflect lvl 4 so what are u whining about....

everyone always has something to cry about... its normal  on DN
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Dag on May 25, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: Akon on May 25, 2009, 04:48:59 PM

archers ARE SUPOSED to be the mage killer.
but we ar DN
always keep in mind :D
Title: Re: Help with nuker/es
Post by: Painkiler on May 25, 2009, 10:26:05 PM
then i dont know why u r crying all the time about mages ;) every class have + and -