what's your opininon ? is good th/shilien knight?
what's the best subclass or mutation ?
Why would u make mutant if already best subs for this char in the same race , Paladin or War lord .
any way if u look for amutant Th/xx I would say go for TH/sws .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on May 25, 2009, 03:08:24 AM
Why would u make mutant if already best subs for this char in the same race , Paladin or War lord .
any way if u look for amutant Th/xx I would say go for TH/sws .
this guy knows his shit. listen well and you will go far ;P
th/wl or th/pp if not mutant
th/sws and th/bd have problems with mana
TH/Wlk aint bad either.
Quote from: Mooondust on May 25, 2009, 12:09:06 PM
th/pal and th/wl for mass
th/pp for 1v1/oly mass also :)
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Quote from: Duff368 on May 24, 2009, 10:25:53 PM
what's your opininon ? is good th/shilien knight?
what's the best subclass or mutation ?
there is no best
Quote from: SpoilerAngel on May 26, 2009, 06:20:39 PM
there is no best
Yeah but ppl still have to talk shit about their super pro th subs :p
psst best sub is th/th, my friend got one and he has 5000 pvps, no joke
th/necro pwns :P
Quote from: Mohit0 on May 26, 2009, 07:18:43 PM
th/necro pwns :P
In IL times TH/SS is the best sub... mirage+proeminence ftw. :P
Over all the best char is the char u know how to play with it , but some classes are just over powered and ONLY non skilled players will look for one to become equal with others .
Quote from: Saorin on May 25, 2009, 04:44:26 AM
this guy knows his shit. listen well and you will go far ;P
Hope u come back my friend . :)
Quote from: Vegas on May 25, 2009, 10:39:49 AM
th/wl or th/pp if not mutant
th/sws and th/bd have problems with mana
rofl, i have th/sws, songs+9 0 mana problem u want know why?
focus mind from sws + pasive skill when running hp/mp regen increased _ rege pot.... trust me..... th/pal or th/wl have much more mp problem
Quote from: cofo on May 26, 2009, 07:12:12 PM
Yeah but ppl still have to talk shit about their super pro th subs :p
psst best sub is th/th, my friend got one and he has 5000 pvps, no joke
THAT IS EASY TO CHECK ^^ th w/o sub 5 k pvp ? sure....... btw u can easy check who have how much pvp score, and best pvp dagger with most pvp point is Simun on Dnx15, almost 8 pvp point, behind him is K0rina and Alex ,
Th/Wl has got worse than it was on Interlude. Focus attack doesn't work anymore with dagger. I did 5k crits on mages with dc robe set while I was on pp and bd. Anyway these times are over. Focus attack was a great advantage but it won't work now. Although I love revival, battle roar and the cp recovery skill. Also you have a LOT of CP but low m.def due to no Anti-Magic. Also the stuns are amazing. An a-grade or s-grade pole without SA will do it.
Th/Pal is just a monster. If you can play it (which is easier, way easier than th/wl)it's a good choice.
Anyway NOW as Mystic Immunity is an attack speed based skill I would choose Th/PP... You can go on selfbuffs as TH doesn't need too many buffs. Although a songer on dual or maybe a dancer would be cool. On mass pvp's you got buffs anyway. Now having mystic immunity based on attack speed means you are immune to ANY debuffs. Cancel isn't a debuff though if you think that. I am not sure how much surrender and vortex increase in percents but I'll just say someone does 500 dmg on you, can't get surrender/vortex on you but when he is fighting a th/wl or someone without mystic immunity he got good chances to get it through. Also vortex got way better now (the debuff effect at least) and you may get damaged by 1000 dmg with surrender+vortex if as example each increases by 25%... Now anyway you'll get 1200 damage on the th/wl due to the not existing anti-magic passive skills. That's the difference. On mass pvp's you're the first one dead when any spellsinger has ur target and you don't have his (to switch as example).
Anyway if you can play a class very well go for it even if it has disatvantages.
I like my pw/tk most anyway. It's some kind of a lethal lucker from time to time but it's damn strong.
Hope it helps
aw/pal sounds good
Quote from: xD on May 28, 2009, 04:12:21 PM
aw/pal sounds good
Tbh i wouldn't go through the trouble of making aw/pal when aw/sk is just as good if not better.
what about good old th/da ? :P also th/wk is good imo at least it was..
in the end its all about the players skills:P
Quote from: Hybrek on May 28, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
what about good old th/da ? :P also th/wk is good imo at least it was..
in the end its all about the players skills:P
Ye i said the same before.... th/wlk if you have to have TH. If it's just any dagger i would definately go for aw/ps.
aw/ps hmmm I haven't tried one but seen a few. Indeed it might be cool anyway pw/tk rox ::)
Quote from: AmayZang on May 30, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
aw/ps hmmm I haven't tried one but seen a few. Indeed it might be cool anyway pw/tk rox ::)
pw/tk? lol.... let;s see.... weak out dmg, tk is on the worst tankers, what is good in pw/tk ?
th/pal >aw/sk >pw/tk so....
Quote from: Brevv on May 30, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
pw/tk? lol.... let;s see.... weak out dmg, tk is on the worst tankers, what is good in pw/tk ?
th/pal >aw/sk >pw/tk so....
Tk is one of the worst tankers? O.o
Quote from: Brevv on May 30, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
pw/tk? lol.... let;s see.... weak out dmg, tk is on the worst tankers, what is good in pw/tk ?
th/pal >aw/sk >pw/tk so....
i agree that pw/tk sucks (in c4 was not bad) but aw/sk is even worse xD
anyway for TH sub, want to be unique ? take hawkeye subclass, no joke
advantages:
- little more HP, more CP
- blessing of saggitarius = same as renewal (self buff) - what a dagger needs
- spirit of saggitarius = -50% MP cost of skills, for example clarity is 20%, champion 20%, renewal song 5%, this skills is better than all 3 together in terms of MP cost!
- pain of saggitarius - converts 407 HP to 61 MP, fast reuse, fast usage if you have a healer in pt
- quiver of holding makes your weight limit huge, doesnt make you stronger but it's nice to have :)
- bow skills! - you wont be as good as a real archer due to dye / buff / armor setup, but still a faster archer and with focus power won't be bad crits on running away targets (from back), also TH has problem in mass pvp, a TH/HE can have fun with bow, while other daggers are waiting for smthg to happen :D
- not a mutant - hellbound is here, mutants can't go over 80, yes yes rumors about blabla, don't count on that, i'm hearing rumor about more dnet subclass for over a year now
dissadvantages:
- not enough buff slots for everything...
still unique, and if you look on this way: a th/wl is only a TH with more HP, reviving/regeneration skills, some spear skills, and provoke :D
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on May 30, 2009, 07:37:09 PM
Tk is one of the worst tankers? O.o
yeah :D its skinny white ass elf :D
Quote from: Brevv on May 30, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
pw/tk? lol.... let;s see.... weak out dmg, tk is on the worst tankers, what is good in pw/tk ?
th/pal >aw/sk >pw/tk so....
You completely know a god damned shit. I have 1,8-1,9k on a Tk in IC +3 and the right buffs. Weak out damage, that might be right. But god damn it, look at your dex. I think the lethal strike rate is around 25% or so. At all I do a lot of lethals and I still win without them while an aw/sk is not bad too but I like the cubics. The root (which you can't escape by using escape shackle), the wind strike one which does around 400 damage (most fights take a while so there are more than useful) and of course the healing cubic which sometimes saves my arse and it rox when having touch of life. Also now in oly both, aw/sk and pw/tk are good. Although pw/tk better due to higher speed and yes the lethals do the glads.
TH/SWS is the best dagger atm ;)
Quote from: wildpussy on May 30, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
i agree that pw/tk sucks (in c4 was not bad) but aw/sk is even worse xD
anyway for TH sub, want to be unique ? take hawkeye subclass, no joke
advantages:
- little more HP, more CP
- blessing of saggitarius = same as renewal (self buff) - what a dagger needs
- spirit of saggitarius = -50% MP cost of skills, for example clarity is 20%, champion 20%, renewal song 5%, this skills is better than all 3 together in terms of MP cost!
- pain of saggitarius - converts 407 HP to 61 MP, fast reuse, fast usage if you have a healer in pt
- quiver of holding makes your weight limit huge, doesnt make you stronger but it's nice to have :)
- bow skills! - you wont be as good as a real archer due to dye / buff / armor setup, but still a faster archer and with focus power won't be bad crits on running away targets (from back), also TH has problem in mass pvp, a TH/HE can have fun with bow, while other daggers are waiting for smthg to happen :D
- not a mutant - hellbound is here, mutants can't go over 80, yes yes rumors about blabla, don't count on that, i'm hearing rumor about more dnet subclass for over a year now
dissadvantages:
- not enough buff slots for everything...
still unique, and if you look on this way: a th/wl is only a TH with more HP, reviving/regeneration skills, some spear skills, and provoke :D
I agree with you in all things u said , hilarious char and unique and fun to play with , in IL I saw PR/TH it was better than HE/TH but now the mutants cap will be annoying for now and even more on the long terms , I see u talked about speed and style of playing and attacking ways , reuse and mp generation buffs and u didn't talk about defence nor HP which thing i really like to consider in making new char .
this char is so damn weak and easy to beat , for mass pvps if he really didn't kite very well he will get " EATED " .
so if we consider TH/HE and we gave him 7/10 for attacking ways and 1/10 for defensive ways in total I can say this char is not good .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on June 01, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
I agree with you in all things u said , hilarious char and unique and fun to play with , in IL I saw PR/TH it was better than HE/TH but now the mutants cap will be annoying for now and even more on the long terms , I see u talked about speed and style of playing and attacking ways , reuse and mp generation buffs and u didn't talk about defence nor HP which thing i really like to consider in making new char .
this char is so damn weak and easy to beat , for mass pvps if he really didn't kite very well he will get " EATED " .
so if we consider TH/HE and we gave him 7/10 for attacking ways and 1/10 for defensive ways in total I can say this char is not good .
completly agree + u forgot passive attack speed from th goes for ur bow, so when u use bow u will have much more attack speed than ordinary hawkey ;)
Quote from: Brevv on June 01, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
completly agree + u forgot passive attack speed from th goes for ur bow, so when u use bow u will have much more attack speed than ordinary hawkey ;)
All archers got passive skill boost haste lvl 1 , tyrant and Assassins lvl 3 it would add some but not much .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on June 02, 2009, 04:44:05 AM
All archers got passive skill boost haste lvl 1 , tyrant and Assassins lvl 3 it would add some but not much .
but its +, its not down side, i just mentioned it