Olympiad blessing is a HP/MP regeneration for both fighters and mage with fixed percentage + effect of acumen buff stacking with the normal buff , thats was fair when fighters used to have haste and mages olympiad sprint + this acumen effect .
Now u can get acumen buff from olympiad manager , so unbalanced to keep the acumen effect of olympiad blessing stacking with the acumen the buff which is available now for every mage class .
Remove the acumen effect of olympiad blessing or make it not stackable with acumen the buff ( maybe setup it to work when acumen the buff is gone coz of mage pane or cancle ) or give it an extra effect of haste too :P .
read 50 times and not even 1 flame?
Why not.... But there are fixes to do before starting takin care of that
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 15, 2009, 10:17:19 AM
Olympiad blessing is a HP/MP regeneration for both fighters and mage with fixed percentage + effect of acumen buff stacking with the normal buff , thats was fair when fighters used to have haste and mages olympiad sprint + this acumen effect .
Now u can get acumen buff from olympiad manager , so unbalanced to keep the acumen effect of olympiad blessing stacking with the acumen the buff which is available now for every mage class .
Remove the acumen effect of olympiad blessing or make it not stackable with acumen the buff ( maybe setup it to work when acumen the buff is gone coz of mage pane or cancle ) or give it an extra effect of haste too :P .
really? maybe mages will can use bsss? i think if daggers/archers can use ss why we cant use our bsss what we use on normal pvp .....
this topic is funny :P
Quote from: Kobra on July 15, 2009, 12:41:47 PM
really? maybe mages will can use bsss? i think if daggers/archers can use ss why we cant use our bsss what we use on normal pvp .....
this topic is funny :P
if it's funny, maybe you can logically explain why mages have 2x acumen at same time?
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 12:25:48 PM
Why not.... But there are fixes to do before starting takin care of that
nerfing erase?
and if it was extra haste ?
U would say "there are fixes to do before starting takin care of that"?
@Kobra ask NCsoft about ss.They can explain u why even creat spiritshot.
Quote from: flamingAwe on July 15, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
if it's funny, maybe you can logically explain why mages have 2x acumen at same time?
and told by a ES..... +1 Awe
simply, buff at npc in oly are unbalanced due Dnet subclass
or u remove something.....
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 15, 2009, 10:17:19 AM
Olympiad blessing is a HP/MP regeneration for both fighters and mage with fixed percentage + effect of acumen buff stacking with the normal buff , thats was fair when fighters used to have haste and mages olympiad sprint + this acumen effect .
Now u can get acumen buff from olympiad manager , so unbalanced to keep the acumen effect of olympiad blessing stacking with the acumen the buff which is available now for every mage class .
Remove the acumen effect of olympiad blessing or make it not stackable with acumen the buff ( maybe setup it to work when acumen the buff is gone coz of mage pane or cancle ) or give it an extra effect of haste too :P .
this server is dead anyways , im leaving today , Gl all and hf :P
Quote from: SpoilerAngel on July 15, 2009, 02:47:05 PM
this server is dead anyways , im leaving today , Gl all and hf :P
Vai will be happy =o
olympiad blessing has haste as well .. cut the crap please ...
acumen was added later but originally there was haste always
Quote from: kuko on July 15, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
nerfing erase?
and if it was extra haste ?
U would say "there are fixes to do before starting takin care of that"?
@Kobra ask NCsoft about ss.They can explain u why even creat spiritshot.
Ncsoft didn't allow bsss at oly because oly fights on offi are on self, w/o stacking shites, meaning quite 0 buffs unless you are support.
And offi doesn't have -50% damages..
Yeah fix erase first, because it has already started, yet erase is still OP, i suggest finishing something before starting another
Quote from: Kobra on July 15, 2009, 12:41:47 PM
really? maybe mages will can use bsss? i think if daggers/archers can use ss why we cant use our bsss what we use on normal pvp .....
this topic is funny :P
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Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 05:31:49 PM
Ncsoft didn't allow bsss at oly because oly fights on offi are on self, w/o stacking shites, meaning quite 0 buffs unless you are support.
And offi doesn't have -50% damages..
Yeah fix erase first, because it has already started, yet erase is still OP, i suggest finishing something before starting another
damage reduction not working since HB , we all wanted it back but after we realised how much damage resists are now like chant of protection , song of wind storm , song of elemental and new options to enchant resists buffs + power which made damage way balanced and pvps longer enough to have fun without need for damage reduction system .
I have been watching oly lately and I think erase now success rate is around 55/60% , and summoners/healers and summoners / buffers still pownz without domination .
and for altheo .. ur encouraging way of thinking that u showed agreeing with removing ur second acumen in oly :D made me wanna ask u some thing , don't u since nerf of mana burn have more fun in oly ?! I mean befor ur chance to win was 100% , used to go on fight with almost full self trust and just need to spam 2 buttons to win in few secs ... for now it's way more fun at least u have a Competition , chance to win or lose which in it self pure pleasure .
Quote from: SpoilerAngel on July 15, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
u wont come back , cya :P
see what happens if u pk afk peeps that u can't kill normal way?
now go QQ and leave
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 15, 2009, 06:25:43 PM
and for altheo .. ur encouraging way of thinking that u showed agreeing with removing ur second acumen in oly :D made me wanna ask u some thing , don't u since nerf of mana burn have more fun in oly ?! I mean befor ur chance to win was 100% , used to go on fight with almost full self trust and just need to spam 2 buttons to win in few secs ... for now it's way more fun at least u have a Competition , chance to win or lose which in it self pure pleasure .
Didn't know about the -50% dmg not working, checked it and indeed you are right.
About mana burn, first, it's a bug, second, it was never easy winning with that, i had like 70% rate win vs sps/ee on wm with the real nerf made by drake.
So, atm , i reached this win rate back thanks to stone, but now its really spamming f1 for overnuking the sps, while mana burning them was definitely harder than you think.
So, for the same win rate, i actually prefered back then when we had mana burn, i made a few pvp too and tbh, i think BPs are kind of OP w/o mana burn.
Tho, i would like to have a mana burn back before the bug, so ~ 65% land rate, but with mcrit disabled, unfortunetly it is impossible :-\.
But i don't care much if you ask me, i compensated mburn by stone... i wish oly blessing gets removed because then sws/ee shall fail to good pp/th, while atm it's nearly allmighty against everyone
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 06:36:33 PM
Didn't know about the -50% dmg not working, checked it and indeed you are right.
About mana burn, first, it's a bug, second, it was never easy winning with that, i had like 70% rate win vs sps/ee on wm with the real nerf made by drake.
So, atm , i reached this win rate back thanks to stone, but now its really spamming f1 for overnuking the sps, while mana burning them was definitely harder than you think.
So, for the same win rate, i actually prefered back then when we had mana burn, i made a few pvp too and tbh, i think BPs are kind of OP w/o mana burn.
Tho, i would like to have a mana burn back before the bug, so ~ 65% land rate, but with mcrit disabled, unfortunetly it is impossible :-\.
But i don't care much if you ask me, i compensated mburn by stone... i wish oly blessing gets removed because then sws/ee shall fail to good pp/th, while atm it's nearly allmighty against everyone
actualy I remember that you said it with ur own tounge here that u had 100% chance with mana burn agumentation and we don't need to talk about that coz we already saw it with our own eyes too so I won't talk about that any more .
bishops are so far away from being OP in Oly specially vs other mages coz simply the combos that have m.def buff in Oly would be bp/pal bp/da and bp/pp and we don't see this combos dominating at all , now matches are longer till the end of it so what longer fights means more fun .. I still can't get what used to please u in 15 secs matches .. ::)
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 06:36:33 PM
Didn't know about the -50% dmg not working, checked it and indeed you are right.
About mana burn, first, it's a bug, second, it was never easy winning with that, i had like 70% rate win vs sps/ee on wm with the real nerf made by drake.
So, atm , i reached this win rate back thanks to stone, but now its really spamming f1 for overnuking the sps, while mana burning them was definitely harder than you think.
So, for the same win rate, i actually prefered back then when we had mana burn, i made a few pvp too and tbh, i think BPs are kind of OP w/o mana burn.
Tho, i would like to have a mana burn back before the bug, so ~ 65% land rate, but with mcrit disabled, unfortunetly it is impossible :-\.
But i don't care much if you ask me, i compensated mburn by stone... i wish oly blessing gets removed because then sws/ee shall fail to good pp/th, while atm it's nearly allmighty against everyone
QQ moarrrrrr
Quote from: lucifsg on July 15, 2009, 06:56:25 PM
QQ moarrrrrr
sure that u made quote to the right person ? ::) thats would be first flame at this topic ... till now 200 ppl checked it and 0 flames ;D
Quote from: Diabolical on July 15, 2009, 05:25:49 PM
olympiad blessing has haste as well .. cut the crap please ...
acumen was added later but originally there was haste always
haste buff is added as normal separate buff like sprint lvl 1 for mages. current oly blessing adds just slight speed increase and c.spd
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 06:21:35 PM
droped Anth +4, QQ
if it makes you feel better , im very happy
Quote from: cthon on July 15, 2009, 06:28:59 PM
see what happens if u pk afk peeps that u can't kill normal way?
now go QQ and leave
i kill you 1v1 just u got always full buffs and me nope, anyway i respect my enemies so Gl and hf in dead server ;P
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 15, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
actualy I remember that you said it with ur own tounge here that u had 100% chance with mana burn agumentation and we don't need to talk about that coz we already saw it with our own eyes too so I won't talk about that any more .
bishops are so far away from being OP in Oly specially vs other mages coz simply the combos that have m.def buff in Oly would be bp/pal bp/da and bp/pp and we don't see this combos dominating at all , now matches are longer till the end of it so what longer fights means more fun .. I still can't get what used to please u in 15 secs matches .. ::)
'i made a few pvp...and think BP kinda OP', not at oly, at pvps, without mana burn, they are OP imo
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 07:29:01 PM
'i made a few pvp...and think BP kinda OP', not at oly, at pvps, without mana burn, they are OP imo
how come OP on pvps full buffed and u can nuke him with 3x of his heal can recover .... what is the idea to heal with 1.7k and u got hitted with 4/5 k as amagic critical nuke or critical arrow on the back or acritical stap from adaggerist or 1 hit from ty/des or 2 hits from ty/pal xD , u make me feel like it was the only way to kill abp is to burn his mana .... which is not true coz bishops used to get head shots from almost all classes and the only decent bishop that is hard to kill is bp/tanker coz he is atanker not abishop .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 15, 2009, 07:35:10 PM
how come OP on pvps full buffed and u can nuke him with 3x of his heal can recover .... what is the idea to heal with 1.7k and u got hitted with 4/5 k as amagic critical nuke or critical arrow on the back or acritical stap from adaggerist or 1 hit from ty/des or 2 hits from ty/pal xD , u make me feel like it was the only way to kill abp is to burn his mana .... which is not true coz bishops used to get head shots from almost all classes and the only decent bishop that is hard to kill is bp/tanker coz he is atanker not abishop .
i got a bp tk, archer wouldn't crit it more than 800 at IL, i bet its lower with propers buff now, i would say like 400 max.
and, definitely, any resist buffed BP wont get crited for more than 900 by any mage.
They don't need mcrit buffs, leaves place, btb and bts are in one buff.
So yeah, i think they re kinda OP, and if you get mcrited for 5k, it only means you ubber fail at buffing yourself
tbh, remove emp/ olybuff acu from oly :>, then i can win sps ee
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 08:00:42 PM
tbh, remove emp/ olybuff acu from oly :>, then i can win sps ee
better give mage bane to ES xD
Quote from: flamingAwe on July 15, 2009, 11:40:28 PM
better give mage bane to ES xD
damn do u know how many times i just wished they had done it ? ;D
Quote from: our4n0s on July 15, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
i got a bp tk, archer wouldn't crit it more than 800 at IL, i bet its lower with propers buff now, i would say like 400 max.
and, definitely, any resist buffed BP wont get crited for more than 900 by any mage.
They don't need mcrit buffs, leaves place, btb and bts are in one buff.
So yeah, i think they re kinda OP, and if you get mcrited for 5k, it only means you ubber fail at buffing yourself
First of all I have to admit that I never saw amount of stupidity as much as u got , really made me crack of laughing xDD , first u say that BISHOPS are OP and then you say that ppl hits ur bishop / TEMPLE KNIGHT like Elpies , then who the freak is stronge the bishop or the tanker sub to mage with full function of vengeance and deflect arrow and 25% effect of UD + shield of faith and don't bitch acting like smart ass and say we are on stack subs server and there is no clean bishop bla bla coz when I talked about bishop I ment bp/mage class or bp/wc and thats the examples we all touch in playing , rarely we see bp/tanker and it's not agod lol .
and here we get to the part that made me really ROFL , archers that used to hit u with MAX 800 ! and mages that crits u with 900 on FULL BUFFS ! and even that in IL times !! but for now 400 ! xDD what u just said purely means that u know nothing about PVPs out side oly and I won't bother myself arguing with you coz it would be like pushing pigs to air with hope that they may fly .
and about me part , ask any decent archer if he got slots for resists on full buffs and maybe you should ask about the m.critical and how much x normal damage it is now on server any way who said I got hitted with that damage :D , I ment by my speach anormal bishop without tanker sub .
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 16, 2009, 10:39:39 PM
First of all I have to admit that I never saw amount of stupidity as much as u got , really made me crack of laughing xDD , first u say that BISHOPS are OP and then you say that ppl hits ur bishop / TEMPLE KNIGHT like Elpies , then who the freak is stronge the bishop or the tanker sub to mage with full function of vengeance and deflect arrow and 25% effect of UD + shield of faith and don't bitch acting like smart ass and say we are on stack subs server and there is no clean bishop bla bla coz when I talked about bishop I ment bp/mage class or bp/wc and thats the examples we all touch in playing , rarely we see bp/tanker and it's not agod lol .
and here we get to the part that made me really ROFL , archers that used to hit u with MAX 800 ! and mages that crits u with 900 on FULL BUFFS ! and even that in IL times !! but for now 400 ! xDD what u just said purely means that u know nothing about PVPs out side oly and I won't bother myself arguing with you coz it would be like pushing pigs to air with hope that they may fly .
and about me part , ask any decent archer if he got slots for resists on full buffs and maybe you should ask about the m.critical and how much x normal damage it is now on server any way who said I got hitted with that damage :D , I ment by my speach anormal bishop without tanker sub .
Don't really see what's so funny, his kind of right. (wouldn't know about Bishop being OP, but the examples he gave are far from wrong)
Quote from: Furesy on July 17, 2009, 01:03:42 AM
Don't really see what's so funny, his kind of right. (wouldn't know about Bishop being OP, but the examples he gave are far from wrong)
If u can't see what is funny then u r blind lol , wtf his bp/TK that archers used to him for 800 and mages crit him for 900 and now ppl maybe will make 400 damage him and thats why bp is OP and should be nerfed ....
and u still ask what is funny .. the funny that he can't even separate between the power of tanker sub to mage and the normal subs like bishop/nuker or bishop/buffer and he thinks that bishop in need for nerf !
Quote from: our4n0s on July 16, 2009, 12:07:21 AM
damn do u know how many times i just wished they had done it ? ;D
<3 Cancel.
Quote from: SysTemHacK on July 17, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
If u can't see what is funny then u r blind lol , wtf his bp/TK that archers used to him for 800 and mages crit him for 900 and now ppl maybe will make 400 damage him and thats why bp is OP and should be nerfed ....
and u still ask what is funny .. the funny that he can't even separate between the power of tanker sub to mage and the normal subs like bishop/nuker or bishop/buffer and he thinks that bishop in need for nerf !
I don't see any extra defense an bishop/tank gets against mages, because it doesn't get any?
And with the new HB buffs, a tank sub is far from badly needed, since I've already tested it on my mage chars, and I can reduce archer damage to a max crit of 800, that is without tank sub or deflect arrow, adding that would decrease it to max 400. Which is exactly what he said, so your point again?
In c4 as a bishop i needed to at least hide behind my party since i died from few shoots, now they can run in the first line and wont die because nobody hits them harder than 500 damage while he can heal himself for 2k each heal. (talking about bishop/tank and bishop/summoner subs)
which is exactly true:
tank subs aren't dearly needed anymore because all fighter classes are pretty much nerfed, the major DD (archer) being a super pussy now.
however tank subs aren't that resilient against mages (by design), so if you want a character that lives long, there's only one solution and that's TP. that's why people favor classes like SH/PS:
- quite awesome casting spd for a SH
- best matk you can think of
- wind *and* dark attacks (good luck having all resists to that, let alone half resists to it)
- @! TP!
- very short reuse on pet ud (your pet will not die)
- very high pet hp (19K - TP will be extremely useful)
- good all around skills (banes, cubics, etc)
- silence