Mana potionts are too weak. Enhanced mana potions give 300MP in 20sec thats just too low. Nowadays when mass PvPs are longer and longer couse of skills like FoI and SoF, is playing dmg dealer mage quite impossible couse you are without MP in few sec. Mana pots should restore MP instantly with some reuse time.
Ever heard of support classes?
If people are incapable of playing their support sub sides, or even incapable of playing a stand-alone support class, it's their problem. One of the best insults people come up with then I play SWS/EE in PvP is being called a 'buff-bot', makes me laugh every time.
my party never had a problem with mana , ask ur EE and SE to recharge u in middle of pvp instead of spamming F1
Quote from: Diabolical on August 26, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
my party never had a problem with mana , ask ur EE and SE to recharge u in middle of pvp instead of spamming F1
I have 5,5k MP and I am without MP in 28 sec. = thats about 200 MP every sec. (with echo + 2x arcana + tp when I using dmg skills) so you wont be able to recharge me...
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
I have 5,5k MP and I am without MP in 28 sec. = thats about 200 MP every sec. (with echo + 2x arcana + tp when I using dmg skills) so you wont be able to recharge me...
An EE or SE with the proper buffs can recharge u the same amount (or even more) of mana u spend every second.
Anyway if Drake turn E. Mana to restore mana instantly a lot of people would reroll for classes that can kill rly fast (but consume lot of mana), like TH.
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
I have 5,5k MP and I am without MP in 28 sec. = thats about 200 MP every sec. (with echo + 2x arcana + tp when I using dmg skills) so you wont be able to recharge me...
then reduce the amount of mana consumption by turning some of these off , plus i would understand 1 arcana but no need for the casting one rly
Quote from: Diabolical on August 26, 2009, 07:19:14 PM
then reduce the amount of mana consumption by turning some of these off , plus i would understand 1 arcana but no need for the casting one rly
I know what to do for reduce it, but my point is that classes like mine or TH (as Weezer said), cant be play on full of their potencial for longer time, but F1 archers can.
Instant mana pots = balance
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 07:26:10 PM
I know what to do for reduce it, but my point is that classes like mine or TH (as Weezer said), cant be play on full of their potencial for longer time, but F1 archers can.
Instant mana pots = balance
I think u wont get my point... if we have instant potions people would reroll for TH cause then u can keep using skills as long as they have mana potions to use, that would be insane.
For example imagine a pt like: WC/BP, BP/PA, some TH/PA, BD/XX, SWS/PW. As long as they have mana potions they can kill almost everyone, even when 3:1 pvp.
Quote from: Weezer on August 26, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
I think u wont get my point... if we have instant potions people would reroll for TH cause then u can keep using skills as long as they have mana potions to use, that would be insane.
It will be insane if it be 500MP every 0,1sec, but 200MP with 2sec reuse or 300MP for a certain amount of time (5sec insted of 20sec as it is now).
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
It will be insane if it be 500MP every 0,1sec, but 200MP with 2sec reuse or 300MP for a certain amount of time (5sec insted of 20sec as it is now).
Come on it's insane in the same way. With all buffs available to use that prevents damage from mages a fighter pt with BP recovering 200-500 MP each 5 secs u dont have a chance to kill it with a mage pt.
And if we consider a BP/PA for example neither mages or archers would have a chance to kill it.
U'r SH/PS
U'r meant to waste many MP if u wanna deal ur best dmg...Emp.Echo increases the amount of Mana consumption for a 30% if I'm not wrong..and A.Power for a 20% or so?
U should take Clarity and have always a SE or EE in pt as rechargers,but BPs,OLs,and any kind of supporters have priority.So,all u can do is not to spam Hurricane till u'r out of mana.
Change the reuse to 10 sec with 250 recovery for mana pot. I think is not to much.
Mass recharge + elixir...
lul so think what poeple have to do on retail where they have only elixirs
absolutly stupid idea with mana potions that restore mp instantly. Dragon-network was 1 of first serv from all amount of free servers that made mana pots with slowly effect restore mana - and it made gameplay closer to real off gameplay. u need to manage your mana if u have good dps - you have higher mp consumption.
If u want mp restore instantly than i`d prefer infinite MP - imagine game it will be ? :D :D if it would be like this i would leave this serv.
imo be happy u have this mana pots lol :)
We had instant manapots in the beginning. This is what happens when you implement 'unlimited mana'
Everyone rerolls to Dagger/something, SH/PS, or any OL/wc mutant.
Why? Cause theese chars are great at everything when you give them infinite mana. Mb daggers could still be beat.... but nuker/summoner on 3 toggles casting spells at you faster then you can react or Ol recovering his Hp with every spell for all infinity will be VERY overpowered......
I mean while you have MP there are pretty much no class that can outdmg you is there?
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 06:19:57 PM
Mana potionts are too weak. Enhanced mana potions give 300MP in 20sec thats just too low. Nowadays when mass PvPs are longer and longer couse of skills like FoI and SoF, is playing dmg dealer mage quite impossible couse you are without MP in few sec. Mana pots should restore MP instantly with some reuse time.
Skills min +10 cost and no have problem :D
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 06:19:57 PM
Mana potionts are too weak. Enhanced mana potions give 300MP in 20sec thats just too low. Nowadays when mass PvPs are longer and longer couse of skills like FoI and SoF, is playing dmg dealer mage quite impossible couse you are without MP in few sec. Mana pots should restore MP instantly with some reuse time.
In mass pvp if you have time to cast Foi you have time to cast mass recharge too.Put 3 mages in a safe zone a let them recharge whole ally.
Most of people doesn't know how much usefull is Arcane Wisdom on long pvp.
Learn to how to do pvp...if you are scoring max 300 to a target....change target.
Quote from: alfy on August 27, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
lul so think what poeple have to do on retail where they have only elixirs
exactly ^^ so as some1 said we can disable better mp consumption it will be the same only we safe some of F-X button with macro on keyboard
Quote from: danyelfBR on August 27, 2009, 05:46:54 PM
Skills min +10 cost and no have problem :D
nah i prefere my +15 power
okey thx for answers
that was bad idea, I accept
I can play with mana pots which we have, I am satisfied with my 30 seconds of fame in pvp with 15k/2k matk/cast.
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on August 28, 2009, 06:36:01 PM
i dont know, maybe u have over 65% weight penalty? (1lvl)?
i dont have so many problem with it on dragon, here should be the same mana ptios
Hes got a SH/PS with full power/cast speed setup. A notourious manawhore. The potions are fine.
Quote from: kidicarus on August 28, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
Hes got a SH/PS with full power/cast speed setup. A notourious manawhore. The potions are fine.
i think ur very weak in knowlege about lineage2 game
Quote from: apophis on August 26, 2009, 06:19:57 PM
Mana potionts are too weak. Enhanced mana potions give 300MP in 20sec thats just too low. Nowadays when mass PvPs are longer and longer couse of skills like FoI and SoF, is playing dmg dealer mage quite impossible couse you are without MP in few sec. Mana pots should restore MP instantly with some reuse time.
men i have a BD/SE and BD/SK and never off mp , u need use REGEN POT and no pres F1+ F22222222222222222222 ::) u need use low mag or rechar mp from SE or use Spell force mana recharg xD
Quote from: legendblack on August 29, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
men i have a BD/SE and BD/SK and never off mp , u need use REGEN POT and no pres F1+ F22222222222222222222 ::) u need use low mag or rechar mp from SE or use Spell force mana recharg xD
how can you even compare SH/PS to BD/SE ? Oo
BD/SE use for attack drain = 48MP and f.strike = 69MP with max cast about 1,6k ?
and SH/PS hurricane = 69MP, surr = 69MP, vampiric = 123MP, 2x vortex = 105MP, vortex slug = 108MP, elemental storm = 250MP, a. symphony = 250MP, demon wind = 250MP with cast about 2,1k
of couse u dont run of mana as me
regen pot ? just lol :D:D its +5MP per tick (30sec = +75MP = 1skill) how usefull
and i dont use F1+ F22222222222222222222, but alt+6, alt+7, alt+8, F3, F4, F5, F1,F2,F1,F1,F2,F5,F4,F5,F1,F2...
Quote from: apophis on August 30, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
how can you even compare SH/PS to BD/SE ? Oo
BD/SE use for attack drain = 48MP and f.strike = 69MP with max cast about 1,6k ?
and SH/PS hurricane = 69MP, surr = 69MP, vampiric = 123MP, 2x vortex = 105MP, vortex slug = 108MP, elemental storm = 250MP, a. symphony = 250MP, demon wind = 250MP with cast about 2,1k
of couse u dont run of mana as me
regen pot ? just lol :D:D its +5MP per tick (30sec = +75MP = 1skill) how usefull
and i dont use F1+ F22222222222222222222, but alt+6, alt+7, alt+8, F3, F4, F5, F1,F2,F1,F1,F2,F5,F4,F5,F1,F2...
why in the name of God you use Wind vortex slug? you are wasting 108 MP just to close up the wind vortex effect for a shitty damage? slug/crusher/buster are just not worth the mana.
my opinion is , give mana pots more regenerate Mp , look how many cost some skills like elemental symphony,blizzard, aura symphony =250MP every skill, and if some1 have resist +songs u waste 1/2 or more to kill 1 men....in mass pvp every time u are without MP, what must says chars like BD/SE sps/SWS or any chars who do dances songs , they have low mp before pvp ..and not to many ppl want to play for ex:EE/SWS or any recharger , and on 85 lvl u take 90MP from recharge:D i dont agree with create instant mana potion, but mana post have to give more MP in 30 sec...
P.S. is only my opinion
P.S.2. sry for bad enghlish
and if u dont believe look on this video how he is without mana soon, and accept he killed ppl without good buffs...http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IW7JRUZ3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ORVVMIX7
Quote from: Kobra on August 30, 2009, 05:44:24 PM
my opinion is , give mana pots more regenerate Mp , look how many cost some skills like elemental symphony,blizzard, aura symphony =250MP every skill, and if some1 have resist +songs u waste 1/2 or more to kill 1 men....in mass pvp every time u are without MP, what must says chars like BD/SE sps/SWS or any chars who do dances songs , they have low mp before pvp ..and not to many ppl want to play for ex:EE/SWS or any recharger , and on 85 lvl u take 90MP from recharge:D i dont agree with create instant mana potion, but mana post have to give more MP in 30 sec...
P.S. is only my opinion
P.S.2. sry for bad enghlish
and if u dont believe look on this video how he is without mana soon, and accept he killed ppl without good buffs...http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IW7JRUZ3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ORVVMIX7
In the 2 videos he had hmmm weight limit, ofc that cant be the reason but not helps you.... I think!!
ps: what i know im a dwarf!! ;D
Nice fight btw
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 30, 2009, 02:42:04 PM
why in the name of God you use Wind vortex slug? you are wasting 108 MP just to close up the wind vortex effect for a shitty damage? slug/crusher/buster are just not worth the mana.
1. minimumum cast time
2. not shitty but same dmg as vortex+0
3. you dont have to cast it immediately after vortex but in the end of vortex effect
4. i dont need to have vortex effect on someone for 1day, i wanna kill him in few sec
5. i like the animation ^^
Quote from: apophis on August 30, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
how can you even compare SH/PS to BD/SE ? Oo
BD/SE use for attack drain = 48MP and f.strike = 69MP with max cast about 1,6k ?
and SH/PS hurricane = 69MP, surr = 69MP, vampiric = 123MP, 2x vortex = 105MP, vortex slug = 108MP, elemental storm = 250MP, a. symphony = 250MP, demon wind = 250MP with cast about 2,1k
of couse u dont run of mana as me
regen pot ? just lol :D:D its +5MP per tick (30sec = +75MP = 1skill) how usefull
and i dont use F1+ F22222222222222222222, but alt+6, alt+7, alt+8, F3, F4, F5, F1,F2,F1,F1,F2,F5,F4,F5,F1,F2...
Your problem is Emp echo + 2 arcanas = mana burn!
SH/PS is most mana drinker.
Quote from: apophis on September 01, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
1. minimumum cast time
2. not shitty but same dmg as vortex+0
3. you dont have to cast it immediately after vortex but in the end of vortex effect
4. i dont need to have vortex effect on someone for 1day, i wanna kill him in few sec
5. i like the animation ^^
hehe i guess the most important argument is the 5th one :P