Many are complaining that SPS/EE are overpowered in olympiad mainly but not only.
Somehow, i feel they are right.
Let me share you my experiences with SPS/EE back in C4/IL and now.
The problem is that SPS/EE has a sum of skills that give them a lot of advantages over other mage/xx combo, like mage/summoner like me for example. Which are the reasons?
1. Erase landing rate is still a lot. [Nerf suggestion: nerf erase]
2. The power of the heals is way stronger than the usual damage they take from regular power nukes in oly because of the Dynasty jewels. Combine that with the M.def bonus from POW and the lots of mana they have from DNET sets, that makes them able to take full loads of nukes without spending too much mana for heals. In oly i am much rather going to run out of mana hitting one of them than he runs out of mana healing himself. [Nerf suggestion: nerf either healing skills or increase mana consumption for them]
3.Back in c4 or even IL i used to win like 50% of the fights with top SPS/EE or even more because the pets i used to have were more powerful compared to the SPS/EE's defensive abilities. In order to have a balanced server, we need to give a fighting chance to summoners as well. The high defence that DNET set provides, combined to erase and healing capacities and the pet's nerf makes summons very weak in comparison [Suggestion: give us back the original stats of summons from the beginning of IL, remove the nerf they suffered]
Just a few suggestion to fix an unballanced situation.. feel free to post more ideas or to flame me.
~Wind
are your summons OE? u know the land rate of erase on OE summons like +12 and higher is not so easy, i must cast it min -3 4 times with enchanted erase. But its only my expiriens, mby somebody will share more
Well, I don't really find erase landing a lot lately, sometimes you're lucky but often it doesn't land in PvPs.
lol sps/ee are not op for sure acttualy they are fu cked up if u ask me. and do nott complaing about sps/ee in olympaida when there are classes inside olympaida that can it u for 19k-20k with 1 hit no matter if u got a good gear or not. so dont say that sps/ee are op for god shake.
in pvp sps/ee atm arenot op ,
Quote from: NIORI on August 28, 2009, 12:26:47 PM
lol sps/ee are not op for sure acttualy they are fu cked up if u ask me. and do nott complaing about sps/ee in olympaida when there are classes inside olympaida that can it u for 19k-20k with 1 hit no matter if u got a good gear or not. so dont say that sps/ee are op for god shake.
in pvp sps/ee atm arenot op ,
omg what class hited you so much? i have never resive such dmg in oly
Quote from: Marinella on August 28, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
omg what class hited you so much? i have never resive such dmg in oly
ty/de imo
imo just not good tactic with ty/de if he resive such dmg, coz its not OP class at oly at all
+1 Wind sps/ee is OP on oly coz i can win almost each class on oly with my bp/wk but i won only 1 freaking time with sps/ee why? coz of his heal/mana burn/blizzard etc. now mana burn is sux but bp/wk have it too so when EE class re nerfed bp/wk is nerfed too coz of erase/mana burn and its not the deal that u ll nerf skills imo nerf sps/ee stats .... anyway u can get crit from sps/ee on oly like 1/3 so what u can do if u ll get 3k + few hits for 800 on ur ass? u cant heal ur self so fast like sps/ee is hitting/healing and now we have oly buffs and its sux coz sps/ee can get emp/acu/zerk/ + self buff ,pow so he's a damn freaking DD
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 28, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
Many are complaining that SPS/EE are overpowered in olympiad mainly but not only.
Somehow, i feel they are right.
Let me share you my experiences with SPS/EE back in C4/IL and now.
The problem is that SPS/EE has a sum of skills that give them a lot of advantages over other mage/xx combo, like mage/summoner like me for example. Which are the reasons?
1. Erase landing rate is still a lot. [Nerf suggestion: nerf erase]
2. The power of the heals is way stronger than the usual damage they take from regular power nukes in oly because of the Dynasty jewels. Combine that with the M.def bonus from POW and the lots of mana they have from DNET sets, that makes them able to take full loads of nukes without spending too much mana for heals. In oly i am much rather going to run out of mana hitting one of them than he runs out of mana healing himself. [Nerf suggestion: nerf either healing skills or increase mana consumption for them]
3.Back in c4 or even IL i used to win like 50% of the fights with top SPS/EE or even more because the pets i used to have were more powerful compared to the SPS/EE's defensive abilities. In order to have a balanced server, we need to give a fighting chance to summoners as well. The high defence that DNET set provides, combined to erase and healing capacities and the pet's nerf makes summons very weak in comparison [Suggestion: give us back the original stats of summons from the beginning of IL, remove the nerf they suffered]
Just a few suggestion to fix an unballanced situation.. feel free to post more ideas or to flame me.
~Wind
qq huiu ! ;D
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 28, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
Many are complaining that SPS/EE are overpowered in olympiad mainly but not only.
Somehow, i feel they are right.
Let me share you my experiences with SPS/EE back in C4/IL and now.
The problem is that SPS/EE has a sum of skills that give them a lot of advantages over other mage/xx combo, like mage/summoner like me for example. Which are the reasons?
1. Erase landing rate is still a lot. [Nerf suggestion: nerf erase]
2. The power of the heals is way stronger than the usual damage they take from regular power nukes in oly because of the Dynasty jewels. Combine that with the M.def bonus from POW and the lots of mana they have from DNET sets, that makes them able to take full loads of nukes without spending too much mana for heals. In oly i am much rather going to run out of mana hitting one of them than he runs out of mana healing himself. [Nerf suggestion: nerf either healing skills or increase mana consumption for them]
3.Back in c4 or even IL i used to win like 50% of the fights with top SPS/EE or even more because the pets i used to have were more powerful compared to the SPS/EE's defensive abilities. In order to have a balanced server, we need to give a fighting chance to summoners as well. The high defence that DNET set provides, combined to erase and healing capacities and the pet's nerf makes summons very weak in comparison [Suggestion: give us back the original stats of summons from the beginning of IL, remove the nerf they suffered]
Just a few suggestion to fix an unballanced situation.. feel free to post more ideas or to flame me.
~Wind
wrong.
Plus, nerfing their skills for olympiad while mages already suck at pvp? bah..
Nah, the truth is, olympiad is balanced, the only thing that matters now is how you feature/play/ use tactic with your char.
Lets see, niori has 10 pts on nostradamus tho he has top gear, nitopami has 300 pts ;D
But there are only 4 sps ee above 100 pts.
Now, th/pp ty/de will farm sps/ee, just like many other class as ty/wc or ty/ol sws/ee or even me as ee/es.
@ marinella, spash on his ty/de with DHA+3 and w/o augment crits for 14k average sps ee.
Actually guys, no offense but.... if you would let olympiad players talk when it comes to olympiad, seriously, that could be smarter.. atm the topic is already spammed and none of these guys play olympiad (even you windpenis).
So, accept the fact that es/sps is not meant to rule olympiad, c4 times are over, you lost nice things from these times, you got nice things from HB tho, get used to it and if you wish to play olympiad just make yourself a bot.
Eventually, i will agree with the sumons idea, at least for 3rd class sumons that are like pathetic.
But we asked it xxxx times, it wont happen i got used to it, suggest you do the same :(
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 28, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
Many are complaining that SPS/EE are overpowered in olympiad mainly but not only.
Somehow, i feel they are right.
Let me share you my experiences with SPS/EE back in C4/IL and now.
The problem is that SPS/EE has a sum of skills that give them a lot of advantages over other mage/xx combo, like mage/summoner like me for example. Which are the reasons?
1. Erase landing rate is still a lot. [Nerf suggestion: nerf erase]
2. The power of the heals is way stronger than the usual damage they take from regular power nukes in oly because of the Dynasty jewels. Combine that with the M.def bonus from POW and the lots of mana they have from DNET sets, that makes them able to take full loads of nukes without spending too much mana for heals. In oly i am much rather going to run out of mana hitting one of them than he runs out of mana healing himself. [Nerf suggestion: nerf either healing skills or increase mana consumption for them]
3.Back in c4 or even IL i used to win like 50% of the fights with top SPS/EE or even more because the pets i used to have were more powerful compared to the SPS/EE's defensive abilities. In order to have a balanced server, we need to give a fighting chance to summoners as well. The high defence that DNET set provides, combined to erase and healing capacities and the pet's nerf makes summons very weak in comparison [Suggestion: give us back the original stats of summons from the beginning of IL, remove the nerf they suffered]
Just a few suggestion to fix an unballanced situation.. feel free to post more ideas or to flame me.
~Wind
also neerf archer atack speed and crit chance
Quote from: Ozukyz on August 28, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
also neerf archer atack speed and crit chance
And nerf Ozus brain! Oh shit, its already nerfed to the bone xD
Quote from: our4n0s on August 28, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
wrong.
Plus, nerfing their skills for olympiad while mages already suck at pvp? bah..
Nah, the truth is, olympiad is balanced, the only thing that matters now is how you feature/play/ use tactic with your char.
Lets see, niori has 10 pts on nostradamus tho he has top gear, nitopami has 300 pts ;D
But there are only 4 sps ee above 100 pts.
Now, th/pp ty/de will farm sps/ee, just like many other class as ty/wc or ty/ol sws/ee or even me as ee/es.
@ marinella, spash on his ty/de with DHA+3 and w/o augment crits for 14k average sps ee.
Actually guys, no offense but.... if you would let olympiad players talk when it comes to olympiad, seriously, that could be smarter.. atm the topic is already spammed and none of these guys play olympiad (even you windpenis).
So, accept the fact that es/sps is not meant to rule olympiad, c4 times are over, you lost nice things from these times, you got nice things from HB tho, get used to it and if you wish to play olympiad just make yourself a bot.
Eventually, i will agree with the sumons idea, at least for 3rd class sumons that are like pathetic.
But we asked it xxxx times, it wont happen i got used to it, suggest you do the same :(
+1
Quote from: our4n0s on August 28, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
atm the topic is already spammed and none of these guys play olympiad (even you windpenis).
es/sps might not be the best class to play oly atm, my gear might be crappy and i might be just rusty in pvp, but still, i play oly since c4 dear Glenn :-*
Quote from: our4n0s on August 28, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
So, accept the fact that es/sps is not meant to rule olympiad, c4 times are over, you lost nice things from these times, you got nice things from HB tho, get used to it and if you wish to play olympiad just make yourself a bot.
Eventually, i will agree with the sumons idea, at least for 3rd class sumons that are like pathetic.
But we asked it xxxx times, it wont happen i got used to it, suggest you do the same :(
Q_Q
Quote from: TomekAlmighty on August 28, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
And nerf Ozus brain! Oh shit, its already nerfed to the bone xD
nerf tomeks knees so he wont be able to walk
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 28, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
Many are complaining that SPS/EE are overpowered in olympiad mainly but not only.
Somehow, i feel they are right.
Let me share you my experiences with SPS/EE back in C4/IL and now.
The problem is that SPS/EE has a sum of skills that give them a lot of advantages over other mage/xx combo, like mage/summoner like me for example. Which are the reasons?
1. Erase landing rate is still a lot. [Nerf suggestion: nerf erase]
2. The power of the heals is way stronger than the usual damage they take from regular power nukes in oly because of the Dynasty jewels. Combine that with the M.def bonus from POW and the lots of mana they have from DNET sets, that makes them able to take full loads of nukes without spending too much mana for heals. In oly i am much rather going to run out of mana hitting one of them than he runs out of mana healing himself. [Nerf suggestion: nerf either healing skills or increase mana consumption for them]
3.Back in c4 or even IL i used to win like 50% of the fights with top SPS/EE or even more because the pets i used to have were more powerful compared to the SPS/EE's defensive abilities. In order to have a balanced server, we need to give a fighting chance to summoners as well. The high defence that DNET set provides, combined to erase and healing capacities and the pet's nerf makes summons very weak in comparison [Suggestion: give us back the original stats of summons from the beginning of IL, remove the nerf they suffered]
Just a few suggestion to fix an unballanced situation.. feel free to post more ideas or to flame me.
~Wind
Lol this post should be called "few sugestions to track how enable sps/es to kill sps/ee" ::)
Quote from: Ozukyz on August 29, 2009, 12:53:26 AM
nerf tomeks knees so he wont be able to walk
I would still be better in pvp than you ;D
Quote from: Ozukyz on August 28, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
also neerf archer atack speed and crit chance
Nerf Icarus Spitter
Nerf M.Crit rate/power
Quote from: Sephiroth on August 29, 2009, 11:49:04 AM
Nerf Icarus Spitter
Nerf M.Crit rate/power
yea also nerf necros silence
Quote from: Soltys on August 29, 2009, 09:02:30 AM
Lol this post should be called "few sugestions to track how enable sps/es to kill sps/ee" ::)
tbh you are totally right ???
Im so sick and tired of the game being tweaked according to oly.
How many players do we have that farm oly? 10? Why da hell should the game revolve around them?
And ppl can argue that 'if it would be more balanced ppl would play' but the fact is that oly with subclass can never be completely balanced. There will always be farm-chars, farm-gear, and shitty farm augments.
You should all come play vs me in monster derby track instead.... It's a bit more underground but atleast were not racist against cross-race subs! And we go by streetrules (pots allowed)
@Wind, on equal buffs es/sps > sps/ee and if you don't agree I can't see why you play your class.
Quote from: kidicarus on August 29, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
@Wind, on equal buffs es/sps > sps/ee and if you don't agree I can't see why you play your class.
d'oh!!! ;D
you know i fully agree, but that's not oly :P
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 29, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
d'oh!!! ;D
you know i fully agree, but that's not oly :P
well out of oly i kill almst everyone when i get same buffs even with my lower gear.
and you lil penis go oly + outside pvping = balcned fun of pvp ^^
Quote from: S1x on August 29, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
Olimpiad is Balanced?? When Buff boots can kill any in oly ... w/o jokes please ...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/500400547_b16fcd1df7.jpg?v=0)
thats ur boots wind? :D almost like sqicking (or w/e) boots :D
Quote from: Takashii on August 29, 2009, 02:58:48 PM
thats ur boots wind? :D almost like sqicking (or w/e) boots :D
squeeking :)
w/e :D anyway wind u nub :<
Quote from: our4n0s on August 28, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
@ marinella, spash on his ty/de with DHA+3 and w/o augment crits for 14k average sps ee.
Actually guys, no offense but.... if you would let olympiad players talk when it comes to olympiad, seriously, that could be smarter.. atm the topic is already spammed and none of these guys play olympiad (even you windpenis).
y, im not
farming oly but i
play there sometimes. y ty/de can do crit on sps/ee but not everytime ant its not do it OP, TBH all know that nerf ty/de is rly easy like nerf de/pal - just do bison totem working only with fist and non-stuckable with franzy at all (like AI now)
Quote from: Ozukyz on August 28, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
also neerf archer atack speed and crit chance
dont need to nerf atk speed just make IC bow like it should be slow with arrow reuse like in all bows, coz now its like it was in HB betatest in off l2 server before it got fixed.
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 29, 2009, 02:23:04 PM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/500400547_b16fcd1df7.jpg?v=0)
funny, drak's post has been deleted
Quote from: WindPhoenix on August 29, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
d'oh!!! ;D
you know i fully agree, but that's not oly :P
(i guess) his point is that on equal buff es/sps > sps/ee and there is no sps ee crying about it, hence you should keep quiet when it comes to self ;)
and what did u say coz i didnt saw that :<