Quotebugfix manaburn should work correctly now
bullshit
so thats mean we have a lil bit competition between mana burn vs lethal^^
lethal was nerfed on oly already
and if its a personal flame i doubt u can show me many mages who had chances vs me before that retarded mana burn boost
Quote from: Daniel Defoe on September 12, 2009, 10:43:48 PM
wassup alex cant kill sh1ty mage??... i heard that u got red duals .... anyway trackzero said he is working on nerf we will see :P
not sure u killed any mage with celestial+mana burn with your glad, but i killed quite a lot with my daggers when I managed to save 500 mana after celestial is over xd
the main problem is when u get hit by a 900~1.5k mana burn, not the celestial, heals, m.crit or whatever. it's not a nerf/fix, it's a boost lol
honestly, i don't fvcking care about a normal mana burn. the REAL problem comes when a crit happens. and since everyone is catching wm active/passive, that's not that..how to say, balanced?
u know what. it would be balanced to cap the m.crit of mana burn. i'm not talking about the landing rate of a generic m.crit, but the power. HALF POWER ON M.CRIT OF MANA BURN would be the perfect FIX, imo.
i disagree. if u delete m.crits with mana burn, u mages are all freaked up :)
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 14, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
they cant half power coz the m crit its always 4x the normal one , so that would mean to make it 2x which they cant coz nc soft made crits 4x , but they can remove crit from mana burn which is a good idea because i agree crits on mp burn sux^^
Funny, you know shit.
They can't remove magic crit on mana burn, removing it would mean removing magic criticals on all magic attacks. They can in fact change the magic crit power, to something else than x4, but that also effects all magic attacks.
Mana burn was ok even earlier when actually nobody used it, but now its just like oly for mages is easy as never before since all strong oly mages are subbed to supports with mana burn.
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 14, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
they cant half power coz the m crit its always 4x the normal one , so that would mean to make it 2x which they cant coz nc soft made crits 4x , but they can remove crit from mana burn which is a good idea because i agree crits on mp burn sux^^
u know what u talking about? o,-
its time for.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skills with Changes to Existing Effects
# Wild Magic (Skill): The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
# Wild Magic (Item): The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
# Dance of Siren: The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
Changes to Magic Critical Damage
* The magic critical rate has been increased to 10 times.
* The magic critical damage has been decreased to 3 times from 4 times of normal damage.
* The magic critical damage rate has been adjusted so that its occurrence rate does not exceed a maximum of 20%.
Changes to Magic Damage Skills
* Magic damage is no longer a static value.
* The range of possible magic damage depends on the type of weapon being used.
Quote from: freezoid1 on September 14, 2009, 10:36:48 AM
its time for.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skills with Changes to Existing Effects
# Wild Magic (Skill): The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
# Wild Magic (Item): The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
# Dance of Siren: The magic critical rate has been adjusted.
Changes to Magic Critical Damage
* The magic critical rate has been increased to 10 times.
* The magic critical damage has been decreased to 3 times from 4 times of normal damage.
* The magic critical damage rate has been adjusted so that its occurrence rate does not exceed a maximum of 20%.
Changes to Magic Damage Skills
* Magic damage is no longer a static value.
* The range of possible magic damage depends on the type of weapon being used.
which means? Using Hurricane with bow is now much better option? :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on September 14, 2009, 11:46:24 AM
which means? Using Hurricane with bow is now much better option? :D
it means the matk of mage weapons will differ not only by grade, but also by type of the weapon (blunt/staff/sword/etc)
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
it means the matk of mage weapons will differ not only by grade, but also by type of the weapon (blunt/staff/sword/etc)
wu? that's what I said! :D Using bow as a mage = longer range :D
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
it means the matk of mage weapons will differ not only by grade, but also by type of the weapon (blunt/staff/sword/etc)
+1
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 14, 2009, 11:27:11 PM
ok mister pro and all knowing,actually every1 cried when m crit was 100% ' omg w8 for hellbound!! m crit 20% max!!axaxaxaxa and u ll sux no more 100% m crit u sux!' and now when its 20% max they still cry ,so when they will stop =)? make it 1% max mby =)?
You really didn't get my post did you?
Quote from: Kikolina on September 15, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
how sure are u? i havnt seen the source code yet myself, but i believe it cant be hard removing crits from single skill,
just an example; if its the way u think, that theres a parameter(magic crit) that applys on every magic attack, than changing mana burn to another type (debuff/curse) should fix the problem, since they cant crit, right?
if its the way; magic_critical_hit=1 (0), its even simplier, as much as i understand coding :P
i believe its more about what decision to take, than how to put the decision in reality :P
That's not the case afaik, Drake would have to add that himself, atm if he removes magic crit from 1 skill he will remove it from all magic attacks.
Removing magic crit from mana burn was the first suggestion I gave to Drake (and with me a few others) and Drake gave all of us the same explanation.
what about lowering the landing rate? just like it was before, wouldn't be that bad for both sides.
Quote from: Valyant on September 15, 2009, 05:42:01 PM
what about lowering the landing rate? just like it was before, wouldn't be that bad for both sides.
what it was before was a fu.cking useless skill
and this is again about oly, so overpower archers pls couse i can't kill anything in oly with my he/wl!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 15, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
what it was before was a fu.cking useless skill
and this is again about oly, so overpower archers pls couse i can't kill anything in oly with my he/wl!
where is the link between 100% mana burn with 3 sec re-use and archers?
Quote from: Alex on September 15, 2009, 06:52:44 PM
where is the link between 100% mana burn with 3 sec re-use and archers?
you made this topic cause you get defeated in oly
I want that my he/wl can win with a fair chance against sps/ee, bp/wk, es/ee, th/pp in olympiad.
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 15, 2009, 09:13:21 PM
i piss on ur post ;) get it ?
just like whole forum on you :) I can imagine.
Quote from: wildpussy on September 15, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
you made this topic cause you get defeated in oly
I want that my he/wl can win with a fair chance against sps/ee, bp/wk, es/ee, th/pp in olympiad.
U'r a tard,all the classes u posted r the best at Oly,and Alex made this topic cos he plays several daggers at Oly and he realised Mana Burn should be nerfed once again,the same Lethal chance is low.
And u play a char that in Oly is as useless as any archer nowadays.
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 15, 2009, 09:13:21 PM
i piss on ur post ;) get it ?
And that's all you will ever be able to do.
if EVEN laser says mana burn is overpowered, it means its rly rly strong lol
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 15, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
U'r a tard,all the classes u posted r the best at Oly,and Alex made this topic cos he plays several daggers at Oly and he realised Mana Burn should be nerfed once again,the same Lethal chance is low.
And u play a char that in Oly is as useless as any archer nowadays.
wow, you understand, that some chars are for oly, and some not
so leave focking skills nerfs, and leave as is, some chars for oly, some for mass pvp
if Alex became so lame cause of 1 skill, which came in IL with many "bad for mage" dagger skills, he should try other chars
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 15, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
U'r a tard,all the classes u posted r the best at Oly,and Alex made this topic cos he plays several daggers at Oly and he realised Mana Burn should be nerfed once again,the same Lethal chance is low.
And u play a char that in Oly is as useless as any archer nowadays.
well thx alot for enlighten me, i did not know that the classes i have posted are the best classes for olympiad, i did also not know that alex made this topic cause he gets owned in oly by elven elders, and what can i do now with me he/wl ? i must reroll?? :( should not all the daggers and elven elder be nerfed to a level where he/wl can beat them? they are all overpowered in oly!!!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 15, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
you made this topic cause you get defeated in oly
I want that my he/wl can win with a fair chance against sps/ee, bp/wk, es/ee, th/pp in olympiad.
Ah so you wouldnt make a topic if lethal rate would be risen to 50% and oly became unplayable for any other chars except daggers? Or you would reroll? Come on you'd go on forum and make topic even worse than this one.
Quote from: flamingAwe on September 15, 2009, 10:37:11 PM
wow, you understand, that some chars are for oly, and some not
so leave focking skills nerfs, and leave as is, some chars for oly, some for mass pvp
if Alex became so lame cause of 1 skill, which came in IL with many "bad for mage" dagger skills, he should try other chars
Oh I must have missed something! Since when daggers became chars for mass pvp? Maybe only dagger/wl and barely dagger/tank. Daggers on dragon were always oly chars and when there was lethal nerf I said nothing tho I really need lethals vs such "oly-bot-type" chars as support/support or support/tank.
But now this mana burn is extremely lame. Even if it won't crit you have approximately 20-30 seconds to kill mana burn-mage with dagger if it will crit u have 4x less time xd. Im not speaking about gladiators and mages w/o mana burn cuz they are totally freaked up now since they cant kill that fast.
And mana burn now is even worse than lethal. If you get lethal you can heal yourself and win if you are lucky, and mana burn just leaves you a "countdown" untill you are defeated, it doesn't leave any damn chance since most of "ex-oly classes" cannot do a shit without mana.
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 15, 2009, 10:37:26 PM
depends on ur classes, if ur ee-xx with wm augument u have nice crit rate, if ur ee sws ,bp wk u have nice reuse time etc,its not about it being overpowered, it was bugged before coz 99% was failing and it shouldnt fail almost at all, just like other magical skills ,i mean take a sps ee for example lv 85, and got hit some1hydroblast, how many times u get 'attack failed' ? i think 1 from 1k hits or so,the point is the aim of the skill mana burn is to burn enemies mana, and since now its reuse was nerfed once,coz on IL start u could use burn non stop ,i mean 1 sec reuse even on sux mage ( low cast/ low reuse) ,but like i said before, im not counting on mana burn too much, nerf it i dont care , make it 50% land rate or 1/2 its power, rly dont care coz i can pwn w/o it too ,w/o any problem ;)
p.s all the time all cry about mages, why dont u look at archers with icarus bow or at ty/de,or even at daggers with dmg on blows which i think is too high anyway ;)
i lol'd
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Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
his point is, stop changing outer game for something that is fuked up at olympiad cos at the moment, mana burn outside town is as it should be, usefull skill, when at olympiad its pretty overpowered :P (sorry awe but fuk ur burn crits xD)
Maybe its ok for mages who can run L2W bot-recharger during open-field pvp, but for everybody else is it? I got 900 (~30% of my mana pool) mana burned on oly with crit. Outside of oly I get all mana burned up (just 2x mana burn crits) before I even reach the target if we're both on full buff cool, huh? Oh ps. I have ~240 speed on dash.
Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
thats how its ment to be lol, talking "im just 2 burn crits", like u arent 2 high power skill crits.. atm outside town mana burn is balanced ..
and with 240 speed i doubt ppl make 2 mana burn crits (risking IF it will crit) rather than trying to slow u down
Actually Im not mage and I have waay more HP than mana and there are 4 resists against each element and 0 against mana burn so yeah Im kinda not "2 high power skill crits" if I got that part right, though I dont know maybe on infinity ppl dont use resists in pvp...
Yep, right after landing 100% blizzard they burn my mana 2 times with 80% mcrit rate and Im done. This is the real pvp, play hard go pro!
Quote from: Alex on September 16, 2009, 11:57:51 AM
Actually Im not mage and I have waay more HP than mana and there are 4 resists against each element and 0 against mana burn so yeah Im kinda not "2 high power skill crits" if I got that part right, though I dont know maybe on infinity ppl dont use resists in pvp...
Yep, right after landing 100% blizzard they burn my mana 2 times with 80% mcrit rate and Im done. This is the real pvp, play hard go pro!
Well...Blizzard isn't 100% but even 80% is quite high to make almost every blizzard landing.Just remove aug from oly or reroll to pp/he,the only class that seems to have good chances against sps/ee with sniper+icarus
Quote from: Dadghamor on September 16, 2009, 12:05:36 PM
Well...Blizzard isn't 100% but even 80% is quite high to make almost every blizzard landing.Just remove aug from oly or reroll to pp/he,the only class that seems to have good chances against sps/ee with sniper+icarus
Slow lvl 3 with 80% land rate (as its said but since the announcement it always lands anyway) and 900 range thats already too much and now this mana burn too. As for he/pp even with +15 icarus its impossible to win sps/ee on oly, u simply can tank with a shield lol.
Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
there are non attribute skills which does ~1k dmg on 2.6k m def non crit..
mhm here on infinity m crit rate is max 1/3, gl criting burns :P...
Lol are you speaking about those noob skills like aura symphony and so on? xD I never had a problem with such skills except extremely overpowered debuff from blizzard, skilled mage never starts pvp vs dagger with these skills.
I heard infinity "doesnt have GMs" and all the changes come up on NM first so infinity should have most of settings "by default". And why would u have different mcrit rate since it never changed in HB anyway.
Quote from: Alex on September 16, 2009, 12:27:25 PM
Slow lvl 3 with 80% land rate (as its said but since tlhe announcement it always lands anyway) and 900 range thats already too much and now this mana burn too. As for he/pp even with +15 icarus its impossible to win sps/ee on oly, u simply can tank with a shield lol.
got some points, although mana burn outside oly is balanced, at least it is on NM, and you will never make me believe you get mcrited for 1 k + outside oly on full buffs, except if your opp as some so called jedis weapons from DN.
Also, at least on NM, it is true that pp/he has very good chance vs sps ee while using ic bow +++, they can't even tank with a shield.
Also, we got an sr/sws that kills about 90% of Sps/ee joining oly.
Mana burn is clearly OP in olympiad though, making it reuse x4 seems a correct solution to me.
Quote from: Alex on September 16, 2009, 04:45:31 AM
Ah so you wouldnt make a topic if lethal rate would be risen to 50% and oly became unplayable for any other chars except daggers? Or you would reroll? Come on you'd go on forum and make topic even worse than this one.
Oh I must have missed something! Since when daggers became chars for mass pvp? Maybe only dagger/wl and barely dagger/tank. Daggers on dragon were always oly chars and when there was lethal nerf I said nothing tho I really need lethals vs such "oly-bot-type" chars as support/support or support/tank.
But now this mana burn is extremely lame. Even if it won't crit you have approximately 20-30 seconds to kill mana burn-mage with dagger if it will crit u have 4x less time xd. Im not speaking about gladiators and mages w/o mana burn cuz they are totally freaked up now since they cant kill that fast.
And mana burn now is even worse than lethal. If you get lethal you can heal yourself and win if you are lucky, and mana burn just leaves you a "countdown" untill you are defeated, it doesn't leave any damn chance since most of "ex-oly classes" cannot do a shit without mana.
your stupid shit dagger ain't anymore for oly, live with it and make es/ee or cry if you wish <3
mana burn ain't overpowered outside oly, lethal is still one big bullshit, mirage still has the same bug since IL
and what's most interesting that no1 so far has yet cry-ed about BP/WK, this is the true best char in oly, with or without mana you're a little shit to it :>
Quote from: wildpussy on September 15, 2009, 11:04:21 PM
well thx alot for enlighten me, i did not know that the classes i have posted are the best classes for olympiad, i did also not know that alex made this topic cause he gets owned in oly by elven elders, and what can i do now with me he/wl ? i must reroll?? :( should not all the daggers and elven elder be nerfed to a level where he/wl can beat them? they are all overpowered in oly!!!
U'r just a noob,final point.
Quote from: wildpussy on September 16, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
your stupid shit dagger ain't anymore for oly, live with it and make es/ee or cry if you wish <3
mana burn ain't overpowered outside oly, lethal is still one big bullshit, mirage still has the same bug since IL
and what's most interesting that no1 so far has yet cry-ed about BP/WK, this is the true best char in oly, with or without mana you're a little shit to it :>
Who cares?
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 16, 2009, 03:43:53 PM
U'r just a noob,final point.
Who cares?
argument of the day!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 16, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
your stupid shit dagger ain't anymore for oly, live with it and make es/ee or cry if you wish <3
mana burn ain't overpowered outside oly, lethal is still one big bullshit, mirage still has the same bug since IL
and what's most interesting that no1 so far has yet cry-ed about BP/WK, this is the true best char in oly, with or without mana you're a little shit to it :>
Your "true best char in oly" bp/wk was just a nice food with few points for my glad/pp, th/pp and many other chars (not mine) who know how to use Erase skill before unexplained mana burn boost, though it was a pain in the ass for my pw/sws always :(
As for part with insults, lethals and "the terrible Mirage bug". First points on your dullness and unability to build up a worthy argument. About second - if you didn't know you can't lethal if there is no 73 mana for a bad evil skill which can lethal with 1% chance. Third just proves I'm only wasting time with you and you don't know anything about L2, by the way thanks for showing that, at least now I know there is 1 less person to argue about mana burn with since you can't overpersuade someone who's stuck so deep in his ignorance.
Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
no kiddin, but talking like every skill is crit, using those wouldnt do much difference than mana burning, even gaining on time.. for sure they' re useless, half server crying how they re doing 200 dmg thinking spaming hydro will bring them win, doing these a bit would bring differ resoults
in IL i had perma crit rate, 100%, 1/1, HB came, if its like u say, 80%, it had to change at least to that but i seriously doubt its that high, and since u said u aint a mage, cant relay on u either and still believe we got 1/3 cap..
Ok, I will test crit rate today with my sps/ee. Don't have passive/active aug, but I will use BW robe for more WIT.
Quote from: Alex on September 16, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
Your "true best char in oly" bp/wk was just a nice food with few points for my glad/pp, th/pp and many other chars (not mine) who know how to use Erase skill before unexplained mana burn boost, though it was a pain in the ass for my pw/sws always :(
As for part with insults, lethals and "the terrible Mirage bug". First points on your dullness and unability to build up a worthy argument. About second - if you didn't know you can't lethal if there is no 73 mana for a bad evil skill which can lethal with 1% chance. Third just proves I'm only wasting time with you and you don't know anything about L2, by the way thanks for showing that, at least now I know there is 1 less person to argue about mana burn with since you can't overpersuade someone who's stuck so deep in his ignorance.
as long as dragon or NM has 0 good bp/wk oly players, i'm fine with the fact it will never be nerfed :>
and your argument about mirage is not an exploit skill proves you only play oly, so why bother arguing with some1 that has no clue of how skills come out elsewhere
anyway:
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 16, 2009, 03:43:53 PM
Who cares?
i'm sure drake does care about the fact, you can't play oly anymore!!!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 16, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
anyway:i'm sure drake does care about the fact, you can't play oly anymore!!!
Isn't this the 3th or 4th time u reply to the same answer? ...
Drake doesn't give a shit,there's always been powerfull and weak chars at Oly,and HE/WL has never been an Oly char,neither u could play Oly with many other combos,u rather gtfo,nobody cares'bout Oly.(But the skills fixes have been done cos of Oly,lmao)
Quote from: Sephiroth on September 16, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
Isn't this the 3th or 4th time u reply to the same answer? ...
Drake doesn't give a shit,there's always been powerfull and weak chars at Oly,and HE/WL has never been an Oly char,neither u could play Oly with many other combos,u rather gtfo,nobody cares'bout Oly.(But the skills fixes have been done cos of Oly,lmao)
stop saying everyone he is retarded, it should be more a sarcasme than anything else from you.
stop acting bad boy aswell, that's pity
Quote from: our4n0s on September 16, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
stop saying everyone he is retarded, it should be more a sarcasme than anything else from you.
stop acting bad boy aswell, that's pity
Look at u,I guess it'll be the 1st time u'll see a mirror.
Quote from: wildpussy on September 16, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
as long as dragon or NM has 0 good bp/wk oly players, i'm fine with the fact it will never be nerfed :>
and your argument about mirage is not an exploit skill proves you only play oly, so why bother arguing with some1 that has no clue of how skills come out elsewhere
anyway:i'm sure drake does care about the fact, you can't play oly anymore!!!
Just an off-topic question: what u gonna do if ur summon is erased and u cant summon a new one with every summon cast switched? kill with 200 dmg nukes from aug? xD
Quote from: Kailenaa on September 16, 2009, 06:55:45 PM
What u gonna do with magic blackfire, without haste and ww, and with less than half mana after few secs agains NotKiko on infinity ? Im sure there is nobody who can beat him 1v1 on oly... ok, he loose sometimes but last time he had 70 wins / 0 defeats so...
oh so on infinity I can see th/pp who plays vs bp/wk without MI and spams skills with magical backfire debuff on him? cool I always wanted to see one
Actually bp/wk has got 0 chances vs classes like ty/de, sws/ee or ee/es.
Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
ty de? xD taking in count ur signature i though u re a pro :D or wait a secound, nightmare really doesnt have a decent bp wk
celestial aug and bb xd
Quote from: cofo on September 16, 2009, 08:36:24 PM
celestial aug and bb xd
does that help vs bane and restore life?
Quote from: Kikolina on September 16, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
being wwless makes ur opponent easily overheal lethals, till u run out of mana i d be running around without cat, once u cant MI urself anymore +15 trance lands in max 20 trys, believe me its not hard on 1.6k c speed, summon cat ( not hard even untranced without mana ) and u re down :P
if somehow that wouldnt work, i would try rabbits lv 4, since ure on MI, no dash, no ww, pof, i doubt u could stay in range for switching and i wouldnt be able to summon single cat on 1.6k c speed :P
MI re-use is still faster than 30 sec w/o haste, even if somehow I ran out of mana saving 70 mana for re-MI wasnt a problem at all before retarded mana burn boost.
And you really think lethal was the only way to kill bp/wk? I'd just take icarus bow and make more damage than you and win in the end by time-out since trying to kill you makes no sense anyway. With pof thx to TH stats/passives I still move faster than u without pof and u wont believe, but I have rabbits too! xD
But doh now its anyway pointless, with new mana burn Im out of mana before I manage to land erase on summon, so its useless to argue about that for now.
Quote from: Alex on September 16, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
MI re-use is still faster than 30 sec w/o haste, even if somehow I ran out of mana saving 70 mana for re-MI wasnt a problem at all before retarded mana burn boost.
And you really think lethal was the only way to kill bp/wk? I'd just take icarus bow and make more damage than you and win in the end by time-out since trying to kill you makes no sense anyway. With pof thx to TH stats/passives I still move faster than u without pof and u wont believe, but I have rabbits too! xD
But doh now its anyway pointless, with new mana burn Im out of mana before I manage to land erase on summon, so its useless to argue about that for now.
that 200 damage nuke will kill you before any timeout .... and your speed with rabbits, zerk, pof is what? 160-170? (with lame attack speed)
bp/wk has over 180 speed with ww+zerk+rabbits (no +dex)
MI won't help you win :>
Quote from: Kailenaa on September 16, 2009, 06:55:45 PM
What u gonna do with magic blackfire, without haste and ww, and with less than half mana after few secs agains NotKiko on infinity ? Im sure there is nobody who can beat him 1v1 on oly... ok, he loose sometimes but last time he had 70 wins / 0 defeats so...
there is no sws/ee ; ee/es on inf or what lol? a wk should never stand a chance against one of these
Quote from: our4n0s on September 17, 2009, 12:54:25 AM
there is no sws/ee ; ee/es on inf or what lol? a wk should never stand a chance against one of these
Wait for it... they are 5x you know, takes a bit longer for them to reroll^^
Quote from: Kailenaa on September 17, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
no way. Bp/wk got mage bane, and magic blackfire/ arcana smth +15 land almost always
Magic Blackfire^^ Thought it was a typo first, but I see you keep calling it that :p
As i see on 5x good sph/bd can kill often wk/bp
Quote from: Dadghamor on September 17, 2009, 01:34:29 PM
As i see on 5x good sph/bd can kill often wk/bp
SOOOOOMEtimes also some sh/se xDDDDDDDDDD
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMETIMES
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 02:20:14 PM
im sure u noticed wildpussy and flamingawe on the forum already, one of them plays sws ee, another one ee es, after all their posts i doubt u can call them literally noobs and not worth opponents :P
Im not calling anyone a noob, im just stating what I've seen happen on NM. We had bp/wlk era in IL, but nowadays they don't really stand a chance vs a well geared ee/es and sws/ee.
But hey im not even allowed inside oly because of the whole cross-race sub discrimination. So better ask one of the good oly players of our server like Furesy, Rebel, Agil, and our4nos.... Non of em playing bp/wlk btw.
Quote from: Kailenaa on September 17, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
no way. Bp/wk got mage bane, and magic blackfire/ arcana smth +15 land almost always
ahahahaha, 3.4k mdef, every mental shield buffs, wisdom passiv enchanted, yeah land almost always? what a leet bullshit.
like i care of mage bane as well.
arcane somth is arcane disruption, low land rate too (not as much as it used to be JUTS LIKE backfire) and doesn't last long.
anyway, erase 40%, trance +16, mana burn... high speed/pdef/mdef (he wont warior bane) almost infinite mana, and a leet aug w/o reuse, with nice mcrit rate... bah, ee/sws is a mage killer, meet a good one and you have no chance.
point is, you can cleanse ur pet as much as you want,i will trance him just the same, waiting for erase, keeping mana burn... we don't even need to target the pet to erase nowadays (which is lame), makes everything easier..bah.
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 02:20:14 PM
now let me know where u re gonna find the mana for MI, shooting with bow + tricking switcing on low attack speed on rabbits, come on cut the crap lol, dagger cant win healer/summoner ...
gotta say this is 100% true, the only way they can do it is lethaling one of their very first blows
Quote from: kidicarus on September 17, 2009, 02:26:24 PM
Im not calling anyone a noob, im just stating what I've seen happen on NM. We had bp/wlk era in IL, but nowadays they don't really stand a chance vs a well geared ee/es and sws/ee.
But hey im not even allowed inside oly because of the whole cross-race sub discrimination. So better ask one of the good oly players of our server like Furesy, Rebel, Agil, and our4nos.... Non of em playing bp/wlk btw.
furesy never played oly, it's either me or kazi on LE, me this month although... kazi missing in the char you mentioned, he is a oly master :>
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
well as bp, i dont really find a way of being beated by lethal since runing around makes delay of 2-3 sec before the dagger is near u again, greater battle heal usually does the job easily :)
you got 1.6k speed you said? i have 2.2k.
first skill you do is warior bane isn't it? well if he lethals while you do it, he may very well remain on full atk speed ( plus you miss shakle) you wont make me believe you will heal before his next hit, even the time to retarget urself will be too much
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
oh sorry, yes first blow can take my ass down :P
about bane depends, if he s 600r+ i start with mage since erase can fuk me up more =)
and how u shackle on mi ? :P
shakle that's for later, the point is he can (almost) never win out of lethal (and i don't even use mana burn on my ee/es vs best THs, even now), i have 2.2k c speed, shakle and warior bane, and our THs btw do not use MI against us, which i understand tbh
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
forgot my celestial in upper post xD so im safe from very first blows also xD well moments ago alex was being smart how he s on perma MI.. :P since the shackle can be the same pain in the ass as backfire i concluded.. whatever..
btw u re ee es right? how u got 3.4k m def? :)
i created ee/sws and ee/es (oly augment side), i play both ;D, 3.4k is for the ee/sws, in dynasty, and jewels +4/5
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 03:16:23 PM
aha cos i was wondering, 2,2k c speed and 3.4k m def :D
anyway, if i find u bp/wk noble lvl 85 with a basic nuke augment, rb set (dyn ring instead of AQ) +4/5, wanna give it a try 1 night on NM?
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 03:26:52 PM
hahaha i ve though of making one at dragon since i saw daggers so high, bog price there is really cute, but than the school started and i didnt find the time :P
anyway sure, anytime, fighers shouldnt be the problem, but we'll see how it will go against mages without active barrier :P pm me msn or something to talk it out, im rly excited xD
check pms
Quote from: Kikolina on September 17, 2009, 03:26:52 PM
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lol'd.hard !
Quote from: our4n0s on September 17, 2009, 02:37:01 PM
furesy never played oly, it's either me or kazi on LE, me this month although... kazi missing in the char you mentioned, he is a oly master :>
Kk, thought it was Furesy who played LimitedEdition for the most-part now.
PS. I don't even know why im discussing this... I HATE OLY! Gief underground colliseum so I can fight aswell!
I never really payed attention on mana burn, but yesterday i was bored and tried olympiad for fun, I went vs LimitedEdition and in no time i was like without MP haha, i kinda loled then.
Anyway one thing i must say, i dont understand how people can be satisfied when winning a fight basicly because of mana burn.
Afraid of loosing a fight without it or something? :P I mean come on... how fun can it be to spam a skill untill ur oponent can hardly do something back...
But well /care haha.
Quote from: FadeAway on September 18, 2009, 12:24:44 PM
I never really payed attention on mana burn, but yesterday i was bored and tried olympiad for fun, I went vs LimitedEdition and in no time i was like without MP haha, i kinda loled then.
Anyway one thing i must say, i dont understand how people can be satisfied when winning a fight basicly because of mana burn.
Afraid of loosing a fight without it or something? :P I mean come on... how fun can it be to spam a skill untill ur oponent can hardly do something back...
But well /care haha.
yeh its a skill for anchor-style "pros" xd
Quote from: FadeAway on September 18, 2009, 12:24:44 PM
I never really payed attention on mana burn, but yesterday i was bored and tried olympiad for fun, I went vs LimitedEdition and in no time i was like without MP haha, i kinda loled then.
Anyway one thing i must say, i dont understand how people can be satisfied when winning a fight basicly because of mana burn.
Afraid of loosing a fight without it or something? :P I mean come on... how fun can it be to spam a skill untill ur oponent can hardly do something back...
But well /care haha.
How fun can be killing only by lethals?How fun can be winning by anchor? there are so many things....This is l2 not hello kitty
Quote from: Dadghamor on September 18, 2009, 04:29:55 PM
How fun can be killing only by lethals?How fun can be winning by anchor? there are so many things....This is l2 not hello kitty
Lethals got decreased so shush, and do you see any necro's running from the opponent and only using anchor on the person?
And both lethal and anchor has a xxx chance of succesing, with mana burn there aint much you can do about it...
+ You can do nothing about doing a lethal... it just happens
+ Even if anchor land's you still got a chance being allive after the effect is down
Quote from: FadeAway on September 18, 2009, 06:18:24 PM
Lethals got decreased so shush, and do you see any necro's running from the opponent and only using anchor on the person?
And both lethal and anchor has a xxx chance of succesing, with mana burn there aint much you can do about it...
+ You can do nothing about doing a lethal... it just happens
+ Even if anchor land's you still got a chance being allive after the effect is down
still your only way on beating a es/ee, sws/ee and bp/wk is more or less lethal, so tell me where is the fun in that? mind as well make oly games like mybrute.com :)
remove mana burn, lethals, acumen, empower, augments, ty/de from oly, all know it's overpowered, after we can start cry-ing about ty/wc and ty/ol again!!
Quote from: wildpussy on September 18, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
still your only way on beating a es/ee, sws/ee and bp/wk is more or less lethal, so tell me where is the fun in that? mind as well make oly games like mybrute.com :)
remove mana burn, lethals, acumen, empower, augments, ty/de from oly, all know it's overpowered, after we can start cry-ing about ty/wc and ty/ol again!!
augments are already removed from oly, today's update !
Quote from: wildpussy on September 18, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
still your only way on beating a es/ee, sws/ee and bp/wk is more or less lethal, so tell me where is the fun in that? mind as well make oly games like mybrute.com :)
remove mana burn, lethals, acumen, empower, augments, ty/de from oly, all know it's overpowered, after we can start cry-ing about ty/wc and ty/ol again!!
after "mirage bug" u are calling ty/de an overpowered oly class xD you keep making yourself look more and more noobish
any dagger deals easily with them, but I already can see there are no good daggers on infinity, no? xd
Quote from: Alex on September 18, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
after "mirage bug" u are calling ty/de an overpowered oly class xD you keep making yourself look more and more noobish
any dagger deals easily with them, but I already can see there are no good daggers on infinity, no? xd
tbh on NM i think we got decent daggers, our good ty de win quite all the time, but no doubt you are way better than any dagger from infinity or NM right?
Quote from: our4n0s on September 18, 2009, 07:02:00 PM
tbh on NM i think we got decent daggers, our good ty de win quite all the time, but no doubt you are way better than any dagger from infinity or NM right?
idk how good our ty/des are, but often I dont wanna even waste UE and refresh on them to wait 5 min for re-use after xd
Quote from: Alex on September 18, 2009, 07:21:41 PM
idk how good our ty/des are, but often I dont wanna even waste UE and refresh on them to wait 5 min for re-use after xd
lol xd, well on NM they don't wanna waste UE and refresh cuz would end up just the same and they couldn't use the reuse skill time of ty de to join again i guess xd
I don't understand why ppl complain about mana burn and not about Magic Critial Rate.
And lol...I really wanna see your pro dagger owning De/tyr...maybe on NM destroyers are played at full hp?You hope in a bluff+ backstab against a destro with lionheart,fortitude and other shits?
Quote from: Alex on September 18, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
after "mirage bug" u are calling ty/de an overpowered oly class xD you keep making yourself look more and more noobish
any dagger deals easily with them, but I already can see there are no good daggers on infinity, no? xd
well you only donate for gear and play oly, so you have no clue about what is mirage used for outside oly, some of us have actualy killed the big bosses to get our raid jewels and gear u know, and btw ty/de is a good char that can beat sws/ee pretty easy if prepared
so we have it
th/pp > ty/de > sws/ee > th/pp, all is balanced!! :D you're not meant to win all xD
Quote from: Kikolina on September 18, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
u wont ran out of arguments if i start again what x char does to y ?
obviously u arent aware of what mirage is capable to do to particular thing i wont name since everyone would start using it =)
dadg, probably they are without zaken and antha not to get their hp above 30 cos of vrage but they arent aware of their zaken resistance status, talking of dragon :P
and seriously what is wrong with m crit rate lol ?
Nothing...was only to add some flames to the topic..
But I'm still wondering how cuolb be so much difference in only 25x ....
Quote from: wildpussy on September 18, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
well you only donate for gear and play oly, so you have no clue about what is mirage used for outside oly, some of us have actualy killed the big bosses to get our raid jewels and gear u know, and btw ty/de is a good char that can beat sws/ee pretty easy if prepared
so we have it
th/pp > ty/de > sws/ee > th/pp, all is balanced!! :D you're not meant to win all xD
too bad u speak too much for someone who knows a shit about me and especially about game, btw your pre-last phrase actually means th/pp > th/pp and th/pp > sws/ee while the last phrase means totally opposite, got some problems with math symbols?
Quote from: Alex on September 18, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
too bad u speak too much for someone who knows a shit about me and especially about game, btw your pre-last phrase actually means th/pp > th/pp and th/pp > sws/ee while the last phrase means totally opposite, got some problems with math symbols?
It's called sarcasm dude!
Quote from: Dadghamor on September 19, 2009, 02:54:44 AM
It's called sarcasm dude!
You are overestimating your friend.
Quote from: Alex on September 18, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
too bad u speak too much for someone who knows a shit about me and especially about game, btw your pre-last phrase actually means th/pp > th/pp and th/pp > sws/ee while the last phrase means totally opposite, got some problems with math symbols?
well i should have known it would be too hard to understand for you, my bad, next time i draw you a circle
i have no idea why u r arguing with those guys alex...
Quote from: spacemonkey on September 19, 2009, 11:31:07 AM
i have no idea why u r arguing with those guys alex...
Indeed, trying to convince mana burn whores that their mana burn shouldn't work this way is something like trying to explain to a psycho that he has mental problems. I'll quit it, I gave all the necessary proves.
ps. all the rest crying to keep mana burn like this just suck w/o it xd
Quote from: Alex on September 19, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
Indeed, trying to convince mana burn whores that their mana burn shouldn't work this way is something like trying to explain to a psycho that he has mental problems. I'll quit it, I gave all the necessary proves.
ps. all the rest crying to keep mana burn like this just suck w/o it xd
well, now that augments are nerfed you won't lose ee/sws nor ee/es, i am sure you already raped sps/ee and any other mage, so what's the matter with mana burn ? well, you will prolly lose sometimes to wk/pp but that's pretty normal isn't it?
now if you answer me you will never lose wk/pp, i will tell you you just didn't meet any good one :) and still.... why would you care about mana burn?
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 19, 2009, 04:35:10 PM
yea they made atk auguments cast like 5,6 seconds ,same cast with robe set on or naked lol and shots not working,seems they made like mi and celestial not depending on casting speed, what a loser haters xD mby make all players skills to be casted in 10 seconds, dagger blows 10 seconds each see who pwns then xD
well, no need to flame tbh, maybe he just didn't get what's the augment nerf and maybe he got something to say as well, like a point i would have missed but atm, from my experience, he should kill sps/ee ee/es, he should not kill ee/sws for the main reason they wont even bother to join (xd), he shall kill bp/wk, and he shall have a decent win rate to most of pp/wk, so why would he care of mana burn? pp/ne? he ll have a decent win rate there also, bp/ne? they got a long reuse of mana burn, nothing to do with ee/Es's reuse at least.
I don't want to make so many assumptions about combo a th/pp should win or lose, like bp/wk, ee/Es or pp/wk, but being from NM and talking about dragon, kinda had no choice :P
Quote from: our4n0s on September 19, 2009, 04:43:53 PM
well, no need to flame tbh, maybe he just didn't get what's the augment nerf and maybe he got something to say as well, like a point i would have missed but atm, from my experience, he should kill sps/ee ee/es, he should not kill ee/sws for the main reason they wont even bother to join (xd), he shall kill bp/wk, and he shall have a decent win rate to most of pp/wk, so why would he care of mana burn? pp/ne? he ll have a decent win rate there also, bp/ne? they got a long reuse of mana burn, nothing to do with ee/Es's reuse at least.
I don't want to make so many assumptions about combo a th/pp should win or lose, like bp/wk, ee/Es or pp/wk, but being from NM and talking about dragon, kinda had no choice :P
to kill an ee/sws (as any dagger class) now only need make some dmg on start then spam trick switch bluff for 5 min till end of fight while they try to cast that nuke, and you must be resistant to trance and silence song
what a shit lol xD
bp/wk, es/ee still pwn, maybe es/ee will have problems, bp/wk will need only more time
Quote from: Mitzahd on September 19, 2009, 05:17:47 PM
bp wk can still kill him with cat :P anyway with augument i was hitting pp th for 200 dmg cat does better job
cat can die rly fast to OE weaps (normal hits)
but WK have reflector cat :D
ah and sps/ee probly wins now with summoner class (on timeout ofc)
Quote from: wildpussy on September 19, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
to kill an ee/sws (as any dagger class) now only need make some dmg on start then spam trick switch bluff for 5 min till end of fight while they try to cast that nuke, and you must be resistant to trance and silence song
what a shit lol xD
bp/wk, es/ee still pwn, maybe es/ee will have problems, bp/wk will need only more time
nah i am ee/es on NM, and i won everything yersterday, sws/ee is dead yeah that's what i said, its not even about tric switch etc lol, just use ur mana on blows and go afk with HP regeneration on urself till fight ends, damage wil lalways remain on pp/th sides, no matter if the ee/sws has no augment interupted.
i am not sure about bp wk tbh, pp wk ill kill th/pp yeah but bp/wk, killing good geared TH ? eww, maybe you're right...
Quote from: wildpussy on September 19, 2009, 05:23:12 PM
cat can die rly fast to OE weaps (normal hits)
but WK have reflector cat :D
ah and sps/ee probly wins now with summoner class (on timeout ofc)
nah, raped 10x ee sps yertserday, even the one on som+a+20 (highest enchant we got on NM, there are 2 only)
and how ee/es vs ty/ol, ty/wc ? specialy ty/wc with not-removable bane (for bp/wk is easy couse 1. cleanse for cripple, 2. reflector again ^^)
about bp wk i mean, good skilled/geared TH, he ll do damage very easily, then he ll run under dash and rabbit tatoo for half the fight, what will you do? xd
Quote from: wildpussy on September 19, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
and how ee/es vs ty/ol, ty/wc ? specialy ty/wc with not-removable bane (for bp/wk is easy couse 1. cleanse for cripple, 2. reflector again ^^)
well, for ty/wc, you use the pony spellcaster, with ud, he ll run away u can use aug few times and use pony to nuke few times too, i ve 2 pet ud in a fight, so thats a part.
then, its about using pony spell and unsumoning before the orcs reach it to regen hp
Quote from: our4n0s on September 19, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
about bp wk i mean, good skilled/geared TH, he ll do damage very easily, then he ll run under dash and rabbit tatoo for half the fight, what will you do? xd
bp/wk can land freezing strike (rly low lvl skill, but it lands after alot of spam :P) and without dash not sure, maybe summon is fast enough :P
or kiko told me the other 3rd class summon is very fast, but it's weak
promi can still make some small dmg and 6 min is alot
Quote from: wildpussy on September 19, 2009, 06:30:39 PM
bp/wk can land freezing strike (rly low lvl skill, but it lands after alot of spam :P) and without dash not sure, maybe summon is fast enough :P
or kiko told me the other 3rd class summon is very fast, but it's weak
really, when isay the th/pp ll run and dash o nrabit atoo.... ofc he ll keep being good, he ll trick few shits, if u forget to mana burn him for a while, he ll two blows the cat, indeed 3rd class ones suck arses on pdef, and on HP, they are almost 1 blow XD
Quote from: wildpussy on September 19, 2009, 06:30:39 PM
promi can still make some small dmg and 6 min is alot
big bs man there :P
Quote from: Alex on September 19, 2009, 09:04:39 AM
You are overestimating your friend.
Nah...how can be stimated WildPussy? :D