today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
not playin dedicated olys since a long, but by my experience outside oly... i can tell u that the daggerist boost is not what i expected but smth is better than nothing, im hittin a bit more but with the increased dmg on mages, there is always mages arround and that rise the posibility of those mages being sps's and ofc blizzard whores :D (they dont need to spamm it cos of landing rate)... just saying
about the daggerist boost, it gave me a push to dont give up on that class... mby increase dmg another 20% :x so we can all remember the good old days :D
Quote from: cristianvernal on October 27, 2009, 01:11:28 AM
not playin dedicated olys since a long, but by my experience outside oly... i can tell u that the daggerist boost is not what i expected but smth is better than nothing, im hittin a bit more but with the increased dmg on mages, there is always mages arround and that rise the posibility of those mages being sps's and ofc blizzard whores :D (they dont need to spamm it cos of landing rate)... just saying
about the daggerist boost, it gave me a push to dont give up on that class... mby increase dmg another 20% :x so we can all remember the good old days :D
well i am pretty sure that if there was a boost it wasnt 30%,i would have noticed it since the dmg from the back dealed by any aw is quite nice,and some1 should be handicapped to not notice it.and if there was a boost its for sure not more than 5% lol. :X
ah and btw,the thing u've noticed out side oly might be caused by a lack of some buffs dye to the less buff slots.
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
if you stab mage for 2.5 why you cry ? it's half of thier hp on oly...
Quote from: Diver on October 27, 2009, 07:12:39 AM
if you stab mage for 2.5 why you cry ? it's half of thier hp on oly...
to stab for a 2.5k i have to be exactly in their back and most of the mages can avoid that by slowing me down or mana burning the shit out of me.so its not as easy as u think to stab some1 for that amount of dmg.
and i dunno why u consider this as a cry topic?its something meant to be...i am sure that if u read that there will be a boost of ur class which is quite rarely seen dye to nerves that r quite retarded,u will make a topic of this kind aswell.
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 11:32:27 AM
to stab for a 2.5k i have to be exactly in their back and most of the mages can avoid that by slowing me down or mana burning the shit out of me.so its not as easy as u think to stab some1 for that amount of dmg.
and i dunno why u consider this as a cry topic?its something meant to be...i am sure that if u read that there will be a boost of ur class which is quite rarely seen dye to nerves that r quite retarded,u will make a topic of this kind aswell.
u r not used to this kind of replys?, i mean ppl only post qq and shits.... from all the ppl posting on this forum, only 30% of them constributes with smth....
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
you mean drakslord one blowing EVERY of my pets is not enough ? ah yeah, it's nice as well when he backstabs for 5k, boost more maybe?
btw, when he critic backstab blow ( happens often enough), he merely takes 3x the total hp of my magnus with pof.
oh, i almost forgot normal hits for 2k dmg.
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
At least, unnerf the summons, that's total bullshit now, magnus +5 with 600 pdef after pdef buffs ? >.>
tbh you guys don't have all your FSs, since they aren't at dony, but i supose as aw you have the equivalent of TH's expose weakpoint and this skill is just ftw...
As for track, there mere fact i deal more damages with lvl 35 spells, yes, the spells i had from elf wizard first change class at lvl 35, than with pet +16, should makes you laugh your ass off and, hopefully..... delete the nerf you guys freaking did on sumoners.
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
Yes dager's bosted but this buff bar its shit now for DAGER!! we have to much skils to do something for example: Mirage,dash(blinding),UE, Focus power(death), mortal strike(mortal blow).
And what about mage's its big JOKE now sps/es hits for 6k+ on 2,2k m.def its SO FUCING FUNNY
I can say ONLY that BOST its SHIT i prefer to play before update.
Give other buff bar for potions only and its ok for my lovly class.
Quote from: our4n0s on October 27, 2009, 01:17:45 PM
tbh you guys don't have all your FSs, since they aren't at dony, but i supose as aw you have the equivalent of TH's expose weakpoint and this skill is just ftw...
As for track, there mere fact i deal more damages with lvl 35 spells, yes, the spells i had from elf wizard first change class at lvl 35, than with pet +16, should makes you laugh your ass off and, hopefully..... delete the nerf you guys freaking did on sumoners.
:) i still remember pony at karik in c3
was better than a ty/de :D
Quote from: Dag on October 27, 2009, 01:59:34 PM
:) i still remember pony at karik in c3
was better than a ty/de :D
too bad i had a TH on infinity in c3 >.>
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
I noticed something like this too. Dagger damage was boosted in some way, but actually its noticeable only in huge ammounts (like what was 4k earlier became now 5k or so). Tanks and heavy armored classes still take shit hits like if it was 600-700 before the update it stays the same after. If it would be a pure 30% boost i'd hit at least for 800-900 now lol.
Also if mage with shield buffs is tanking me with a shield damage is extremely low too, yea sps/ee is that mage usually.
That makes me think of either wrong calculation or wrong boost or some details of "30% skill damage boost" are hidden.
I've sent a pm to GM about my noobish thoughts related to that update, but no answer, perhaps he's too busy I dont blame him at least he does more than most of other GMs.
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
where did i refer to oly?i said that i just joined oly,coz there was no pvp and i was bored,so i decided to go in and what i found out was that the mentioned boost didnt seem as it should be...if u read the title of the topic i think that i've clearly said what i meant...
Quote from: our4n0s on October 27, 2009, 12:53:01 PM
you mean drakslord one blowing EVERY of my pets is not enough ? ah yeah, it's nice as well when he backstabs for 5k, boost more maybe?
btw, when he critic backstab blow ( happens often enough), he merely takes 3x the total hp of my magnus with pof.
oh, i almost forgot normal hits for 2k dmg.At least, unnerf the summons, that's total bullshit now, magnus +5 with 600 pdef after pdef buffs ? >.>
i dont give a flying freak what does draks do in oly.as i already replied to track,its just that the boost didnt seem as it was mentioned.ok?
btw lol.u complain of drakslord for blowing ur pets away,ok,but think again for all the other daggerist u've mana burned the crap out,sum it up and i hope u'll see what my point is.
Quote from: Mitzahd on October 28, 2009, 02:20:15 AM
wow ur stabbing 2,5k a sps ee and its low?not to mention 5k backstab if double dmg,which is similar to The sps ee is dead almost 1 shot,what else u wanna?stabs for 5k normals?lol,not to mention with critical wound and expose weak point u stab much more ,i got 2,8k from blizzer and he was w/o focus power ,and it wasnt double dmg,with focus power would be arround 4k,not to mention if bluff lands its GG,and ur still crying ,lol,for sure ur a noob dagger, ask alex teach u some dagger lessons :)
another freakin retard.no i dont want to 1 shot/blow/hit/kick/w/e any1.and if u use ur brains a bit,u will freakin get the freakin point that a freakin AW cant freakIN GET anywhere close to a damned sps/xx thats non stop spamming blizzard which has 99% landing rate,no mater how much m def u've got.got it now?hope so now creep back to the hole u've left tearing ur lame ass with the proish ego u've got and choke on.
anyways i kinda figured it out and i think its cause my char wasnt in my hands for a while.w/e
Quote from: MisiekIII on October 27, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
Yes dager's bosted but this buff bar its shit now for DAGER!! we have to much skils to do something for example: Mirage,dash(blinding),UE, Focus power(death), mortal strike(mortal blow).
And what about mage's its big JOKE now sps/es hits for 6k+ on 2,2k m.def its SO FUCING FUNNY
I can say ONLY that BOST its SHIT i prefer to play before update.
Give other buff bar for potions only and its ok for my lovly class.
becouse i am mage . and with 2.3k ma defe is no way to hit u , and u dont need all that ma defe u need only to take resist then u will see if a mage will hit u more than 1k .
what about buff bar. the buff bar is how should be . we are suppose to take 24 buf max not 34 . with previus buff bar u could take attack bufs + resist + magic dfence. + speed buff lol. that's why nsoft made it 24 and not 34 to avoid those kind op
Quote from: NIORI on October 28, 2009, 12:10:18 PM
becouse i am mage . and with 2.3k ma defe is no way to hit u , and u dont need all that ma defe u need only to take resist then u will see if a mage will hit u more than 1k .
what about buff bar. the buff bar is how should be . we are suppose to take 24 buf max not 34 . with previus buff bar u could take attack bufs + resist + magic dfence. + speed buff lol. that's why nsoft made it 24 and not 34 to avoid those kind op
???
But the problem and 10 topics here are about that we cant take all needed resist coz we dont have space for this in new buff bar.
Yes ncsoft made it 24(or 18-20) but on off you have another bar for dance/song and one more for pots ...
up, btw funny how 18% mage damage boost is far easier to notice than 30% dagger damage boost
no offense, but this is a really funny topic
Quote from: Endorama on October 27, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
today after reading these wonderful news about a boost of the crit dmg,i decided to finally log ig and check it out myself,but unfortunately,when i went to oly i didnt feel any boost.example :before i was stabbing a random sps/ee with dnet robe set for 2.5k,when i logged today i saw the same dmg instead of 2,5+30% of 2,5+30% of ~1k p atk.blows aint based on p.atk,but for sure 30% would bring at least another 100 dmg to a blow and since every blizzard lands i need to deal as much dmg as possible on a blow.
hope some1 else noticed it aswell.
yes i noticed it too, not only pvp but pve too.The famous boost dagger downtime, which last for 3-4 days, was again a good reason to boost the "poor" mages, only that we don`t have to know the truth from the beggining, they let us discover by ourselves.again, dragon notwork ftw!! i don`t get why sps.ee are complaining here.A sps.ee like laserkiller, with a good gear and everything kills me in oly before i get to him or finish buff ;) ;)
Quote from: Alex on October 28, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
I noticed something like this too. Dagger damage was boosted in some way, but actually its noticeable only in huge ammounts (like what was 4k earlier became now 5k or so). Tanks and heavy armored classes still take shit hits like if it was 600-700 before the update it stays the same after. If it would be a pure 30% boost i'd hit at least for 800-900 now lol.
Also if mage with shield buffs is tanking me with a shield damage is extremely low too, yea sps/ee is that mage usually.
That makes me think of either wrong calculation or wrong boost or some details of "30% skill damage boost" are hidden.
I've sent a pm to GM about my noobish thoughts related to that update, but no answer, perhaps he's too busy I dont blame him at least he does more than most of other GMs.
let me simply guess, somebody messed up the formular.
if u add +30% to the calculation of dmg, at the wrong place, u get such results, that are unoticeable at lower hits, but more realistic noticeable at the larger numbers.
Alex stop cry like kid ... if you dont like it leave dont cry no1 care ...
AND AGAIN
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
Quote from: ahamzz on November 01, 2009, 01:33:24 PM
Alex stop cry like kid ... if you dont like it leave dont cry no1 care ...
AND AGAIN
u can cry about ur hate over me in dragon general section, im busy here /ignore
Quote from: Alex on October 28, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
I noticed something like this too. Dagger damage was boosted in some way, but actually its noticeable only in huge ammounts (like what was 4k earlier became now 5k or so). Tanks and heavy armored classes still take shit hits like if it was 600-700 before the update it stays the same after. If it would be a pure 30% boost i'd hit at least for 800-900 now lol.
Also if mage with shield buffs is tanking me with a shield damage is extremely low too, yea sps/ee is that mage usually.
That makes me think of either wrong calculation or wrong boost or some details of "30% skill damage boost" are hidden.
I've sent a pm to GM about my noobish thoughts related to that update, but no answer, perhaps he's too busy I dont blame him at least he does more than most of other GMs.
its cause they added +30+18% to mage damage instead of +30 to daggers xD
(quite obvious mage damage got more than 18% boost btw, if anyone noticed, lol)
Quote from: kang on November 01, 2009, 02:56:18 PM
its cause they added +30+18% to mage damage instead of +30 to daggers xD
(quite obvious mage damage got more than 18% boost btw, if anyone noticed, lol)
Aye,hit one dagger in PP/SWS buffs for 1,9k each Death Spike.
Quote from: Sephiroth on November 01, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Aye,hit one dagger in PP/SWS buffs for 1,9k each Death Spike.
I sense Noventa ressurection!
Quote from: Furesy on November 01, 2009, 03:03:25 PM
I sense Noventa ressurection!
U should play it.I think it's a funny char.
Quote from: Sephiroth on November 01, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
U should play it.I think it's a funny char.
My SWS/EE is way more fun, and it's unique on NM at PvP's xd
Quote from: Alex on November 01, 2009, 02:01:38 PM
u can cry about ur hate over me in dragon general section, im busy here /ignore
After no1 care for you at dragon you start cry to TrackZero
And btw l2 is not only oly , leave town retard .i.
You are like laser realy , sad :S JUST CRY CRYYYYYYYYY
Quote from: Alex on October 28, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
I noticed something like this too. Dagger damage was boosted in some way, but actually its noticeable only in huge ammounts (like what was 4k earlier became now 5k or so). Tanks and heavy armored classes still take shit hits like if it was 600-700 before the update it stays the same after. If it would be a pure 30% boost i'd hit at least for 800-900 now lol.
Also if mage with shield buffs is tanking me with a shield damage is extremely low too, yea sps/ee is that mage usually.
That makes me think of either wrong calculation or wrong boost or some details of "30% skill damage boost" are hidden.
I've sent a pm to GM about my noobish thoughts related to that update, but no answer, perhaps he's too busy I dont blame him at least he does more than most of other GMs.
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
Leave town alex .... ;D
Quote from: Futile on November 01, 2009, 12:06:18 PM
let me simply guess, somebody messed up the formular.
if u add +30% to the calculation of dmg, at the wrong place, u get such results, that are unoticeable at lower hits, but more realistic noticeable at the larger numbers.
oh yea baby! ;D ;D
if you hit at lvl 81 a tank at same level for 500 dmg, is not like you will hit more with 30% +(btw where the freak is 30%?? cause seems more like 5%)
you must go and kills noobs lvl 20 in wastelands, cause there you can make some damage!! instead of 10k damage to some1, you will make 13k
this formula they all thought about is Just patethic!!
Quote from: Alex on October 28, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
I noticed something like this too. Dagger damage was boosted in some way, but actually its noticeable only in huge ammounts (like what was 4k earlier became now 5k or so). Tanks and heavy armored classes still take shit hits like if it was 600-700 before the update it stays the same after. If it would be a pure 30% boost i'd hit at least for 800-900 now lol.
Also if mage with shield buffs is tanking me with a shield damage is extremely low too, yea sps/ee is that mage usually.
That makes me think of either wrong calculation or wrong boost or some details of "30% skill damage boost" are hidden.
I've sent a pm to GM about my noobish thoughts related to that update, but no answer, perhaps he's too busy I dont blame him at least he does more than most of other GMs.
Up, I wouldn't spam here if I wasn't 100% sure in my words.
I'm wondering does those lethals still exist with the 'increased dmg' that has been setted?
Sucks for ya'll dagger chars that u'll have to wait so long for gracia final ::). Shadow step and hide are like FTW skills and atleast u'll be able doing up to 6-7k dmg critical backstabs then (how it's supposed to be).
Anyway how's Nightmare now? i still check once a while ingame (at varka), but there's like not 1 person to be found...
Did those 'mage dmg increasement' fck nightmare up or it was something else?
I never played dagger chars that much and didn't really liked them, but now i'm on some retail like server i'm really enjoying them :O.
Quote from: FadeAway on November 02, 2009, 12:54:36 PM
I'm wondering does those lethals still exist with the 'increased dmg' that has been setted?
Sucks for ya'll dagger chars that u'll have to wait so long for gracia final ::). Shadow step and hide are like FTW skills and atleast u'll be able doing up to 6-7k dmg critical backstabs then (how it's supposed to be).
Anyway how's Nightmare now? i still check once a while ingame (at varka), but there's like not 1 person to be found...
Did those 'mage dmg increasement' fck nightmare up or it was something else?
I never played dagger chars that much and didn't really liked them, but now i'm on some retail like server i'm really enjoying them :O.
assuming of course, just an aberation, that things will go here like on oficial on gracia, we will be able to make some damage with backstab.lol, dude, this is DN, where`ve you been??
damage wasnt increased, only significant boost is patk, lethals were reduced tho and I feel that too
funny but I noticed 30% p.atk boost meanwhile I didnt see 30% skill damage boost at all
daggers havent any use now in pvp, perhaps just in oly th/pp are still good, with my th/wl I only use my wl side in pvp coz its way more useful than dagger role rofl
if there was a real boost, some explanations with current damage formulas are welcome, bump.
Up ;)
Quote from: TrackZero on October 27, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
Daggers ARE boosted indeed , but as i said unknown times , L2 is not about Oly, but then again you can think w/e u like more.
Quote from: Alex on November 02, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
damage wasnt increased, only significant boost is patk, lethals were reduced tho and I feel that too
funny but I noticed 30% p.atk boost meanwhile I didnt see 30% skill damage boost at all
daggers havent any use now in pvp, perhaps just in oly th/pp are still good, with my th/wl I only use my wl side in pvp coz its way more useful than dagger role rofl
actually, that is specific the reason dagger seems got some boost in damage, the 30% p atk added.cause speaking about 30% damage just lol.If you are asking me, if they wanted to make daggers playable, was easier to remove lethal at all, along with the reduction(nerf) for psihical skills.according with the formula drake published when he implemented nerfs on daggers, long ago, the dagger was nerfed twice.first when they reduce damage made in pvp for all, and second when they discover that , being no reduction for psihical skills(drake says "that`s why all class like gladiators, daggers, archers were still hitting hard"), they reduce again the damage for all psihical skills. like i said this formula is a mess ,now,counting that they thought that making the damage bonus according with the main damage will work(+30% damage at 400 damage is shit, +30% damage at 3000 , yea , is great)
Heeeeeeeeeeeey, wake up, daggers never hit like archers!!!