Im asking only opinions ::)
wouldnt it be nice a new x15 server fresh started here?
I think many ppl will come if we just put Coins at quest item and dont start with b/a grade donations until 2 months after server start :)
Any opinion or comment plx ;)
(this is not a thread for gm :P)
and who is gonna pay for that?
Quote from: Futile on November 24, 2009, 08:40:42 PM
and who is gonna pay for that?
I dont say 0 donation lol
I say just the first month only donation for accesory/quests/Clan lvl 5 etc :P
yy make new server and same donny system as on frintezza
Quote from: BanThemAll on November 24, 2009, 08:43:33 PM
I dont say 0 donation lol
I say just the first month only donation for accesory/quests/Clan lvl 5 etc :P
thats nice but u need more things to make a better server..
like making dnet sets questeable or spoileable (not only for ppl with coins)
Dont put in donny icarus/dynasty weapons never (maybe only dynasty weaps/dnet sets recipes but not from the start )
No donation for make +++ weapons
Many nubs events from to start and low lvl mana pots in shop xD
When i think more i post.. :D
Quote from: vaiper on November 24, 2009, 09:12:22 PM
thats nice but u need more things to make a better server..
like making dnet sets questeable or spoileable (not only for ppl with coins)
Dont put in donny icarus/dynasty weapons never (maybe only dynasty weaps/dnet sets recipes but not from the start )
No donation for make +++ weapons
Many nubs events from to start and low lvl mana pots in shop xD
When i think more i post.. :D
Nice ones..
Any other suggestions ppl? :D
such server would die after 3 months (or little more, just like fritnezza ;])
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on November 25, 2009, 01:31:17 AM
such server would die after 3 months (or little more, just like fritnezza ;])
and why u think that? lol
If the server is good with no bugs and start with many ppl why would it die?
u think servers with more than 4 years just say "i wont die"?
Quote from: BanThemAll on November 25, 2009, 01:59:21 AM
and why u think that? lol
If the server is good with no bugs and start with many ppl why would it die?
Ask fritenzza staff :).
PS. That new server would prolly run with same files as all other servers here, so what makes u think it wouldnt have bugs?
I think only new server or wipe can reborn dn. Dn it's like "mercedes" or "BMW" in l2 servers but rylly needs "w@#!" or creative ideas.
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on November 25, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
Ask fritenzza staff :).
PS. That new server would prolly run with same files as all other servers here, so what makes u think it wouldnt have bugs?
Frintezza will die only coz they had bad history before (many wipes/server down/ppl leaving very fast) and they didnt make enough advertising about new server..its just almost the same ppl that played before and leaved.
And they have a sh!ty comunity ..not like ours 8)
Quote from: BanThemAll on November 25, 2009, 05:19:13 PM
And they have a sh!ty comunity ..not like ours 8)
U are right about that, i think many ppl from nm/dragon/infy want a new server, and ppl from frintezza want a better server with more ppl
so i guess this server would have many ppl,and is the best way to get new players also.
No one is saying wipe here, just to open a new server from 0..
this way we keep old players and get more new players
imo all the loosers from nm/dragon/infinity who have big ambitions are asking for a wipe or new server, cuz they think that if they start since begining they will mean something... thats pretty naive thinking. They think that items makes a player, and the answer is NO. Ofc items help a lot but skilled player can kill every1 if he reach some basic lvl of equipment ( i mean s grade) The story will be the same as always, they will cry cuz some1 will donate for a weapon +25 etc etc etc and they will go to they old nm/dragon/infinity when theyl get bored to get owned by some new nicks. That eauqls death of the "new server".
PS. Im not the guy who have +9999 weapon/armor, just some s grade weapon and armor, with such stuff u really can defeat every1.
The idea of "new server" is pretty crazy for me, i wish that gms wont take it seriosly. They should take care of servers we have now, then make some new battlefields.
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on November 26, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
imo all the loosers from nm/dragon/infinity who have big ambitions are asking for a wipe or new server, cuz they think that if they start since begining they will mean something... thats pretty naive thinking. They think that items makes a player, and the answer is NO. Ofc items help a lot but skilled player can kill every1 if he reach some basic lvl of equipment ( i mean s grade) The story will be the same as always, they will cry cuz some1 will donate for a weapon +25 etc etc etc and they will go to they old nm/dragon/infinity when theyl get bored to get owned by some new nicks. That eauqls death of the "new server".
PS. Im not the guy who have +9999 weapon/armor, just some s grade weapon and armor, with such stuff u really can defeat every1.
The idea of "new server" is pretty crazy for me, i wish that gms wont take it seriosly. They should take care of servers we have now, then make some new battlefields.
Actually nm/infy/dragon are almost always 2 ally side based.. like ally "x" vs ally "y" for all rbs and big sieges..and its rly boring
i think with a new server many ppl from other servers will come and make a better server.
atm everyone that thinks about DN thinks about corruption or donation... shouldnt we change that?
A fresh server with many ppl would do that..
ehhhh....why dnt "compress" infinity/dragon/nightmare in one sever??? -if it is possible ofc with chars items etc
just imagine...how manny ppls in same time / clans, allys, PVP???? :O
its not possible i think but sounds great a?? xD
Quote from: trooperXkoki on November 26, 2009, 05:06:09 AM
ehhhh....why dnt "compress" infinity/dragon/nightmare in one sever??? -if it is possible ofc with chars items etc
just imagine...how manny ppls in same time / clans, allys, PVP???? :O
its not possible i think but sounds great a?? xD
Thats actually nice idea, consolidate those 3 severs into one, reset hero/castle status. There would be many strong sides of the conflict, sounds rly fun, just like old times
Quote from: vaiper on November 26, 2009, 02:19:17 AM
Actually nm/infy/dragon are almost always 2 ally side based.. like ally "x" vs ally "y" for all rbs and big sieges..and its rly boring
And you think that on fresh serwer would be different ? Don't be naive there allways would be two sides sooner or later...
Quote from: trooperXkoki on November 26, 2009, 05:06:09 AM
ehhhh....why dnt "compress" infinity/dragon/nightmare in one sever??? -if it is possible ofc with chars items etc
just imagine...how manny ppls in same time / clans, allys, PVP???? :O
its not possible i think but sounds great a?? xD
It would be good WITHOUT overenchants, and without the exploited money (cuz fe on infy the old adena exploiters never banned(cuz gm didn't give a shit), so they have all the money that they made from exploit
So the only good transfer method would be:
-transfer only the current equipment what is currently weared by char, a little fixed adena amount for start (fe 10 million), and ofc the chars itself, with all skills that they learned
But that's a big problem with this... ppl will start to make lvl 1 chars and put all of their equipment on those to be transfered to new server.
So then the only method can be the full new server, and no transfer. (maybe transfer just the chars, and clans without ANY items)
If will be new server here,lot of players from current servers (15x,30x...etc) will move to it,so if it will be succesfull,can prehaps move lot of players so current servers will have less ppl. My opinion
Quote from: Skeletor on December 03, 2009, 03:03:07 PM
If will be new server here,lot of players from current servers (15x,30x...etc) will move to it,so if it will be succesfull,can prehaps move lot of players so current servers will have less ppl. My opinion
There is not many good l2 off servers now..
So i guess a new server will bring many ppl and make old ppl come back also
Imagine that u are a nub and join any of our servers..
u make some adena to check aden or giran for ppl and shops (thats what i make first in any server)
u see all the ppl with dyna set and +++ weapons..
They will just leave coz they wil think they never will get those stuff.
I saw that happen to lots of new players in nightmare and infinity.
Atm players are looking only for fresh started servers. (u can check that in pmfun or any l2 forum)
Quote from: disc on December 03, 2009, 02:48:21 PM
(maybe transfer just the chars, and clans without ANY items)
i think that we can try this one...
mi clanless but is ok :P
It's not possible to merge Dragon / Nightmare / Infinity, already tried.
Quote from: Furesy on December 05, 2009, 10:57:44 AM
It's not possible to merge Dragon / Nightmare / Infinity, already tried.
So the only way to get more ppl is with a new server..
Quote from: Furesy on December 05, 2009, 10:57:44 AM
It's not possible to merge Dragon / Nightmare / Infinity, already tried.
in theory it should be posible since gm can delete/create items/chars in their server.
i dont say its easy but it is posible.
Quote from: BanThemAll on December 05, 2009, 06:21:42 PM
So the only way to get more ppl is with a new server..
+1
Quote from: BanThemAll on December 05, 2009, 12:23:43 AM
Imagine that u are a nub and join any of our servers..
u make some adena to check aden or giran for ppl and shops (thats what i make first in any server)
u see all the ppl with dyna set and +++ weapons..
They will just leave coz they wil think they never will get those stuff.
I saw that happen to lots of new players in nightmare and infinity.
Atm players are looking only for fresh started servers. (u can check that in pmfun or any l2 forum)
100% true
Quote from: BanThemAll on December 05, 2009, 06:21:42 PM
So the only way to get more ppl is with a new server..
useless.
Those who can't get OE stuff on current servers, won't get it on new one either. Old/rich ppl will just sell their stuff for coins and buy OE stuff on new server anyway. So the situation will remain same, but you'll just divide community into 4 pieces instead of merging it somehow.
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 07:31:59 PM
useless.
Those who can't get OE stuff on current servers, won't get it on new one either. Old/rich ppl will just sell their stuff for coins and buy OE stuff on new server anyway. So the situation will remain same, but you'll just divide community into 4 pieces instead of merging it somehow.
How can u buy OE items on a new server? maybe hom+6 :P (no one have S grade till 2 or 3 months after a server starts)
And making dnet set questeable and coins quest item would make things way better for new players.
I think many players for infy/dragoN/nightmare will go to new server +players from other servers (like frintezza that is already dying), if only 30% of players on night/infy/dragon go to new server it will be 2kppl at least and plus new players. I guess more than 30% will go.
Quote from: vaiper on December 07, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
How can u buy OE items on a new server? maybe hom+6 :P (no one have S grade till 2 or 3 months after a server starts)
BEWS.
or Donate to keep server alive.
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 07:45:23 PM
BEWS.
or Donate to keep server alive.
I heard that its not posible to donate for OE weapons ..but w/e
Maybe making dony sell only items B grade/Low A for the first 2months.. then old S recipes 60%.
4 months later put C4 S weapons in dony
And later s80 Recipes only. Not weapons or sets.
That way it will be a long server with no OE weapons.
Quote from: vaiper on December 07, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
I heard that its not posible to donate for OE weapons ..but w/e
Maybe making dony sell only items B grade/Low A for the first 2months.. then old S recipes 60%.
4 months later put C4 S weapons in dony
And later s80 Recipes only. Not weapons or sets.
That way it will be a long server with no OE weapons.
Wau! And what is so helpful in fact that OE will come later? Even if your weird idea will become true, still there would be new players crying about OE. That would be just those who will come later. So, again, where is the help? To make it short, you just want to be powerful as well, but you need new server for that...
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 07:56:58 PM
Wau! And what is so helpful in fact that OE will come later? Even if your weird idea will become true, still there would be new players crying about OE. That would be just those who will come later. So, again, where is the help? To make it short, you just want to be powerful as well, but you need new server for that...
lol
I dont need anything i have all what i need on NM.. and more also.
but i want a new server with many ppl and bring new ppl to the community.
Quote from: vaiper on December 07, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
lol
I dont need anything i have all what i need on NM.. and more also.
but i want a new server with many ppl and bring new ppl to the community.
So go vote in top200. Though it is not that drastical change, you can do it on your own and it is much more useful than making crazy plans with servers.
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 07:56:58 PM
Wau! And what is so helpful in fact that OE will come later? Even if your weird idea will become true, still there would be new players crying about OE. That would be just those who will come later. So, again, where is the help? To make it short, you just want to be powerful as well, but you need new server for that...
Btw why do you get involved, No one is touching the server that you play in so this thread shouldn't be in your interest. Probably you are shitting your pants because if there was an opportunity for other players to play on a fresh server they will take it and you'll be left pwning your clan mates.
Having a new server will be a new challenge that will give people a lot of fun.
Quote from: Zarok on December 07, 2009, 08:45:40 PM
Btw why do you get involved, No one is touching the server that you play in so this thread shouldn't be in your interest. Probably you are shitting your pants because if there was an opportunity for other players to play on a fresh server they will take it and you'll be left pwning your clan mates.
Having a new server will be a new challenge that will give people a lot of fun.
Following your logic, this thread shoud have zero replies because we all play somewhere. Funny.
And no, don't worry, I am not shitting my pants; I think that new server would have even lower population than any of DN servers.
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 08:25:59 PM
So go vote in top200. Though it is not that drastical change, you can do it on your own and it is much more useful than making crazy plans with servers.
U think we will make to the top 10?
always the 1-3 top servers pay to get there
the others just make vote rewards or use scripts.
and if u r looking for a good server dont check tops just check pmfun or any l2 forum.
Quote from: vaiper on December 07, 2009, 09:01:17 PM
U think we will make to the top 10?
always the 1-3 top servers pay to get there
the others just make vote rewards or use scripts.
and if u r looking for a good server dont check tops just check pmfun or any l2 forum.
I am not looking for any server.
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 07, 2009, 09:15:01 PM
I am not looking for any server.
im just telling that being in top make almost no diference..
join w.r.ath xD
no, I wouldn't start again from 0.
This idea of making new server here would be good only if it would bring some new quality, not the another dragon/nm/infinity for guys who wanna start.
So my suggestion is:
- rates x10-x15 max
- no dnet subclass system ( wannabe pro, go retail style ;) )
- no custom sh1t like dnet sets, potions, etc.
- balanced donations (no best equipment on start)
- retail gameplay, oly etc.
- make trade money from old servers to new one possible (yeyeye new guys would freak out, but actually how it is on retail, and would bring some attantion from old dragon network players).
<joke>No guys sorry, i wont candidate for president ;P</joke>
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on December 11, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
This idea of making new server here would be good only if it would bring some new quality, not the another dragon/nm/infinity for guys who wanna start.
So my suggestion is:
- rates x10-x15 max
- no dnet subclass system ( wannabe pro, go retail style ;) )
- no custom sh1t like dnet sets, potions, etc.
- balanced donations (no best equipment on start)
- retail gameplay, oly etc.
- make trade money from old servers to new one possible (yeyeye new guys would freak out, but actually how it is on retail, and would bring some attantion from old dragon network players).
<joke>No guys sorry, i wont candidate for president ;P</joke>
Wau, so basically you want a server without features so typical for DN and with rates which already once are on DN. In addition you want a possibilty to trade money so you can pew pew pwn right few weeks after the start. Why don't you just look for a retail-like server that fulfils your needs?
Sorry, but this looks like "hai guys, I wanna own, but I don't wanna start all over again. Ah ye, I also don't wanna stack-subs and DNet sets 'coz everyone is killing me and I wanna chance to payback".
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
Wau, so basically you want a server without features so typical for DN and with rates which already once are on DN. In addition you want a possibilty to trade money so you can pew pew pwn right few weeks after the start. Why don't you just look for a retail-like server that fulfils your needs?
Sorry, but this looks like "hai guys, I wanna own, but I don't wanna start all over again. Ah ye, I also don't wanna stack-subs and DNet sets 'coz everyone is killing me and I wanna chance to payback".
who the fuk is Kaze?? =-D
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
Wau, so basically you want a server without features so typical for DN and with rates which already once are on DN. In addition you want a possibilty to trade money so you can pew pew pwn right few weeks after the start. Why don't you just look for a retail-like server that fulfils your needs?
Sorry, but this looks like "hai guys, I wanna own, but I don't wanna start all over again. Ah ye, I also don't wanna stack-subs and DNet sets 'coz everyone is killing me and I wanna chance to payback".
Ye and other ideas are like " hi guys, i wanna own but i cant, so make same new server that u have there for me to own."
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on December 11, 2009, 04:46:19 PM
Ye and other ideas are like " hi guys, i wanna own but i cant, so make same new server that u have there for me to own."
Such server would at least have same DN features which actually brought us all here some time ago. Yours would be just another crappy L2 server... ;)
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 11, 2009, 03:15:17 PM
None of your bussines! :D
oooooooooooooooooooooh c'on =-DDDDD
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 11, 2009, 05:05:03 PM
Such server would at least have same DN features which actually brought us all here some time ago. Yours would be just another crappy L2 server... ;)
ok so add corupted gm to my option if u want DN features ;)
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on December 11, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
ok so add corupted gm to my option if u want DN features ;)
This is only Dragon feature, not DN feature.
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on December 11, 2009, 05:36:26 PM
oooooooooooooooooooooh c'on =-DDDDD
The girl in his sig. >.>'
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 11, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
This is only Dragon feature, not DN feature.
Ppl are missusing DN with Dragon. Which DN means for them both Dragon and D-Network. >.<
Quote from: TheLox on December 12, 2009, 12:38:56 AM
The girl in his sig. >.>'
Ppl are missusing DN with Dragon. Which DN means for them both Dragon and D-Network. >.<
Ye I know, I was about to add something similar to my reply but I was sooo lazy. :-\ :P
Quote from: TheLox on December 12, 2009, 12:38:56 AM
The girl in his sig. >.>'
yes I got that but who is she =-D?
It's from a NFS game right? xd
Quote from: Furesy on December 15, 2009, 12:16:27 PM
It's from a NFS game right? xd
:(
Meto thought it is me :(
Quote from: Furesy on December 15, 2009, 12:16:27 PM
It's from a NFS game right? xd
aaaah tnx furesy =-D now I can sleep again xD
Quote from: Ashlynn on December 15, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
:(
Meto thought it is me :(
With what sixy lady I play and didn't have any clue! :o