nice updates, but one question, why u make it "gracia final like" when we have (lets say) hellbound? Maybe change all to gracia... cuz now it seems Dnet is poor hybrid of interlude/hb/gracia.
For me it sux -1 for that update.
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 20, 2010, 06:14:11 PM
nice updates, but one question, why u make it "gracia final like" when we have (lets say) hellbound? Maybe change all to gracia... cuz now it seems Dnet is poor hybrid of interlude/hb/gracia.
For me it sux -1 for that update.
maybe cuz SE was a dead class that nobody plays if not in dualbox?? =D
Ncsoft noticed it in gracia final XD
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8243/turkmenbashigoldstatuec.jpg)
we have part kameal mixed with hellbound
and why ONLY one class get SE get skills from Gracia ???? what the hell , all classes or noone simple get new skills
maybe SE donated 1000 coins?? :o
and why pow pov vop cov work like in gracia , we have hellbound why only this skills work like in gracia?
More changes more ppl will leave, fix bugs first , than make changes
Big +1 gonna make active supports usefull!
Quote from: greg270 on January 20, 2010, 08:26:48 PM
we have part kameal mixed with hellbound
and why ONLY one class get SE get skills from Gracia ???? what the hell , all classes or noone simple get new skills
maybe SE donated 1000 coins?? :o
and why pow pov vop cov work like in gracia , we have hellbound why only this skills work like in gracia?
More changes more ppl will leave, fix bugs first , than make changes
Because SE class was D.E.A.D. Definitively Extremely and Absolutely Dead.
Quote from: kidicarus on January 20, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
Big +1 gonna make active supports usefull!
for this they could fix nuking augs :P
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
for this they could fix nuking augs :P
U got almost perma Celestial on Pet and want more power? ::)
P.s
Nerf this damn ES/EE ;D
Quote from: zippobg on January 20, 2010, 10:02:49 PM
U got almost perma Celestial on Pet and want more power? ::)
i didn't mean augs for oly, i mean for outside world :P
and damn, forget about my celestial, during short reuse almost anyone can 2-3 shot summon, yday sps/ee 1 hited him, 11k hp, check oly xml, there are more OP classes!!!!!
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 10:06:53 PM
i didn't mean augs for oly, i mean for outside world :P
and damn, forget about my celestial, during short reuse almost anyone can 2-3 shot summon, yday sps/ee 1 hited him, 11k hp, check oly xml, there are more OP classes!!!!!
how about u use UD in between?
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 20, 2010, 10:06:53 PM
i didn't mean augs for oly, i mean for outside world :P
and damn, forget about my celestial, during short reuse almost anyone can 2-3 shot summon, yday sps/ee 1 hited him, 11k hp, check oly xml, there are more OP classes!!!!!
I'm not in OP list xD
hmmm powi still doesn't work like cov ???
| PoF | PoWa | PoWi | CoV | VoP |
| P.atk | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| P.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Hit | | | | 4 | |
| Crit | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Crit dmg | 20% | | | 20% | |
| Avo |
| A.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| C.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.atk | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Speed | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% |
| HP regen | 20% |
| MP regen | | 20% |
| Max HP | | | 20% | 20% |
| Max MP | 20% | | | | 20% |
| VR | | | 5% |
| Clarity | | 5% |
| M.crit rate | 2 | 2 | | 2 |
| M.crit dmg | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Debuff resist | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| Max CP | | | | | 20% |
20% = Max +20% and restore increased amount.
Edit : 20% m.crit damage on PoWa was my mistake. Now fixed. Thanks to riddler !
Edit : M.crit rate "2" is same effect as Wild Magic Lv.2 in Gracia Part 1 or later versions
Quote from: Finisterre on January 21, 2010, 12:36:10 AM
| PoF | PoWa | PoWi | CoV | VoP |
| P.atk | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| P.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Hit | | | | 4 | |
| Crit | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Crit dmg | 20% | | | 20% | |
| Avo |
| A.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| C.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.atk | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Speed | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% |
| HP regen | 20% |
| MP regen | | 20% |
| Max HP | | | 20% | 20% |
| Max MP | 20% | | | | 20% |
| VR | | | 5% |
| Clarity | | 5% |
| M.crit rate | 2 | 2 | | 2 |
| M.crit dmg | | 20% | | | 20% |
| Debuff resist | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| Max CP | | | | | 20% |
20% = Max +20% and restore increased amount.
ok ok but why changing something to gracia like if we are in hb? and what the hell is that major heal for se? this isnt even in gracia. 2classes arent enough? Lets make 3 sub stack...
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 21, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
ok ok but why changing something to gracia like if we are in hb? and what the hell is that major heal for se? this isnt even in gracia. 2classes arent enough? Lets make 3 sub stack...
Maybe they wanna balanca classes? And try to make playable again dead classes?
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 21, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
ok ok but why changing something to gracia like if we are in hb? and what the hell is that major heal for se? this isnt even in gracia. 2classes arent enough? Lets make 3 sub stack...
coz then can make "we have HB with gracia feature" :o
Quote from: SyD on January 21, 2010, 07:29:16 AM
Maybe they wanna balanca classes? And try to make playable again dead classes?
They would better balance it with Dnet Set Mark II and Vesper bow with "very fast" attack speed.
Quote from: Finisterre on January 21, 2010, 12:36:10 AM
| PoF | PoWa | PoWi | CoV | VoP |
| P.atk | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| P.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Hit | | | | 4 | |
| Crit | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Crit dmg | 20% | | | 20% | |
| Avo |
| A.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| C.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.atk | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Speed | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% |
| HP regen | 20% |
| MP regen | | 20% |
| Max HP | | | 20% | 20% |
| Max MP | 20% | | | | 20% |
| VR | | | 5% |
| Clarity | | 5% |
| M.crit rate | 2 | 2 | | 2 |
| M.crit dmg | | 20% | | | 20% |
| Debuff resist | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| Max CP | | | | | 20% |
20% = Max +20% and restore increased amount.
Ok, but this is how it is, or how it should be? I'm not sure, because i haven't done any tests, but many ppl says that pow gives less mcrit rate than before. Mayby someone test it?
well in loader it's written that U need to wait 24/48 hours to see 100% effective ^^
i hope so , cause powi still works like normal powi on infi >:(
Quote from: Malandro on January 21, 2010, 11:32:25 AM
i hope so , cause powi still works like normal powi on infi >:(
infi didn't have restart yet, log more boxes to crash it and get this update :D
:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 21, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
ok ok but why changing something to gracia like if we are in hb? and what the hell is that major heal for se? this isnt even in gracia. 2classes arent enough? Lets make 3 sub stack...
Remember that DN's not retail like server ?
Btw, in official SE can choose 4 skills from Resist Poison/Repose/Hold Undead/Holy Weapon/Regeneration/Requiem/Return/Peace/Agility/Greater Battle Heal/Bless Shield/Mass Ressurrection/Party Recall/Decrease Weight/Restore Life/Resist Shock/Benediction/Serenade of Eva/Advanced Block/Prayer/Body of Avatar/Resist Unholy/Magical Backfire/Clarity/Mana Storm/Major Group Heal/Celestial Shield/Might of Heaven/Vitalize/Trance/Turn Undead/Major Heal and ofc enchant it.
Quote from: Finisterre on January 21, 2010, 02:27:01 PM
Btw, in official SE can choose 4 skills from Resist Poison/Repose/Hold Undead/Holy Weapon/Regeneration/Requiem/Return/Peace/Agility/Greater Battle Heal/Bless Shield/Mass Ressurrection/Party Recall/Decrease Weight/Restore Life/Resist Shock/Benediction/Serenade of Eva/Advanced Block/Prayer/Body of Avatar/Resist Unholy/Magical Backfire/Clarity/Mana Storm/Major Group Heal/Celestial Shield/Might of Heaven/Vitalize/Trance/Turn Undead/Major Heal and ofc enchant it.
Hello Mr.Obvious, not only SE, all healers can.
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 21, 2010, 03:10:42 PM
Hello Mr.Obvious, not only SE, all healers can.
ee and bp can take less than SE, only SE can take 4, this is what he ment
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 21, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
ok ok but why changing something to gracia like if we are in hb? and what the hell is that major heal for se? this isnt even in gracia. 2classes arent enough? Lets make 3 sub stack...
wow and ur crying again xD when daggers were boosted all was fine, now when finally SE is worth smthing more than being a bot ppl cry? U cant be serious
ps:i dont like change in pof :< it hurts he/pp :<<<<
Quote from: Finisterre on January 21, 2010, 12:36:10 AM
| PoF | PoWa | PoWi | CoV | VoP |
| P.atk | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| P.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Hit | | | | 4 | |
| Crit | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Crit dmg | 20% | | | 20% | |
| Avo |
| A.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| C.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.atk | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Speed | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% |
| HP regen | 20% |
| MP regen | | 20% |
| Max HP | | | 20% | 20% |
| Max MP | 20% | | | | 20% |
| VR | | | 5% |
| Clarity | | 5% |
| M.crit rate | 2 | 2 | | 2 |
| M.crit dmg | | 20% | | | 20% |
| Debuff resist | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| Max CP | | | | | 20% |
20% = Max +20% and restore increased amount.
what about magnus?? maybe lets create a page in wiki ?
2 days and POWI still doesnt work like in gracia RESTART INFINITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Argriev on January 21, 2010, 05:33:06 PM
what about magnus?? maybe lets create a page in wiki ?
Good idea. If you like, you can also edit DN-wiki. Please send me pm when you have questions regarding to testing/editing.
Why PoWa has +20% to magic critical damage and why PoWi doesn't have magic critical rate +20%? If we are going to have skills from gracia make the skills the same as they are in gracia.
Information from official site :
PoWa
For 5 minutes, receives help from a great spirit to increase the rate of Prominent Damage occurring through a party member's damage magic by 2, MP recovery bonus by 20%, P. Atk. by 10%, P. Def. by 20%, Atk. Spd. by 20%, M. Atk. by 20%, M. Def. by 20%, Casting Spd. by 20%, and resistance to de-buffs by 10%. Decreases moving speed by 20% and MP consumption for skill use by 5%. Consumes 10 Spirit Ore.
No information about magic critical damage!PoWi
For 5 minutes, receives help from a great spirit to increase a party member's Max HP by 20%, rate of critical attack by 20%,
rate of Prominent Damage through damage magic by 20%, P. Atk. by 10%, P. Def. by 20%, Atk. Spd. by 20%, M. Atk. by 20%, M. Def. by 20%, Casting Spd. by 20%, and resistance to de-buff by 10%. Decreases moving speed by 20%. Bestows the ability to recover as HP 5% of the standard short-range physical damage inflicted on the enemy. Consumes 10 Spirit Ore.
According to official L2 site PoWi should have +20% to magic damage rate.
New skills should be like this :
| PoF | PoWa | PoWi | CoV | VoP |
| P.atk | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| P.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Hit | | | | 4 | |
| Crit | | | 20% | | 20% |
| Crit dmg | 20% | | | 20% | |
| Avo |
| A.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| C.spd | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.atk | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| M.def | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% |
| Speed | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% | -20% |
| HP regen | 20% |
| MP regen | | 20% |
| Max HP | | | 20% | 20% |
| Max MP | 20% | | | | 20% |
| VR | | | 5% |
| Clarity | | 5% |
| M.crit rate | 2 | 2 | 20% | 2 |
| M.crit dmg | | 0% | | | 20% |
| Debuff resist | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% |
| Max CP | | | | | 20% |
20% = Max +20% and restore increased amount.
Correct me if i'm wrong ...
btw, CoV still increses crit chance
Quote from: flamingAwe on January 22, 2010, 12:55:32 PM
btw, CoV still increses crit chance
But don't increase crit dmg anymore.
Quote from: xxGEBELSxx on January 22, 2010, 12:57:57 PM
But don't increase crit dmg anymore.
yes, and finister's table showes opposite, just checked lineage2.com, now is as should - crit chance
@riddler
Could you show your source ?
KR power book is not my top source but it's one of reliable source atm.
Google translator (korean to any language) is not accurate specially for long sentence but still you can use it for short sentences.
PoF
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%ED%94%BC%EC%8B%9C+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%ED%8C%8C%EC%9D%B4%EC%96%B4
PoWa
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%ED%94%BC%EC%8B%9C+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%EC%9B%8C%ED%84%B0
PoWi
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%ED%94%BC%EC%8B%9C+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%EC%9C%88%EB%93%9C
CoV
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%B1%88%ED%8A%B8+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%EB%B9%85%ED%86%A0%EB%A6%AC
CoM
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%B1%88%ED%8A%B8+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%EB%A7%A4%EA%B7%B8%EB%84%88%EC%8A%A4
VoP
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EB%B9%85%ED%86%A0%EB%A6%AC+%EC%98%A4%EB%B8%8C+%ED%8C%8C%EC%95%84%EA%B7%B8%EB%A6%AC%EC%98%A4
@Finisterre
Well, my source is official game site -> Lineage2.com . I found this information at this link http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_05.html . You can find this link in DN loader, last [GAMEPLAY] information from 20/01. There are skills description of all prophecies at the bottom of page
To be honest i pasted this table from previous posts. I have put changes only to PoWa and PoWi. I didn't check other Prophecies.
My bad. I put 20% in wrong column. 20% m.crit damage should be on PoWind, not PoWa. Thanks for correcting riddler. :D
Description of prophecies in ttp://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_05.html is translated wrongly.
This is the original.
ttp://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EA%B7%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%8B%9C%EC%95%84+%ED%8C%8C%EC%9D%B4%EB%84%90+%ED%81%B4%EB%9E%98%EC%8A%A4
It's confusing. xD
[tr][td]M.crit dmg[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]20%[/td][td][/td][td]20%[/td][/tr]
We just wonder when:
-Kamael race will be working in 100% (skills, subs etc)
-Steel citadel will work (ppl are really bored...)
2nd thing - which wonder me is why just after event (5dc for fs), most of them was so nerfed ...
Like Lord of Vampire - which is atm useless - 25 / 30 sec buff - what a crap... Exciting adventure - if you cut it so much on time leave effect which it was or make it same as it was before (same to windriding and ghost walking), i was angry because of seed of revenge, but in my personal opinion it was nerfed too much...
Anyway on oly atm unkillable still is sps/ee ...
Thats my opinion.
Quote from: windoo on January 25, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
We just wonder when:
-Kamael race will be working in 100% (skills, subs etc)
-Steel citadel will work (ppl are really bored...)
2nd thing - which wonder me is why just after event (5dc for fs), most of them was so nerfed ...
Like Lord of Vampire - which is atm useless - 25 / 30 sec buff - what a crap... Exciting adventure - if you cut it so much on time leave effect which it was or make it same as it was before (same to windriding and ghost walking), i was angry because of seed of revenge, but in my personal opinion it was nerfed too much...
Anyway on oly atm unkillable still is sps/ee ...
Thats my opinion.
BTW FSs weren't nerfed, those work as it should like in official.
Quote from: SyD on January 26, 2010, 12:31:26 AM
BTW FSs weren't nerfed, those work as it should like in official.
Quote from: Finisterre on January 21, 2010, 02:27:01 PM
Remember that DN's not retail like server
anythink to add ;]
well lord of vampire would be cool if it would work with spells and skills for those 30 seconds ^^ at least it would have some meaning =-D
Did assassin/wizard/final servitor get changed too? Or are they still the same? Also, the loader didn't say VoP got changed, but did it get changed?
Quote from: Caliburn on February 04, 2010, 05:10:04 AM
Did assassin/wizard/final servitor get changed too? Or are they still the same? Also, the loader didn't say VoP got changed, but did it get changed?
Yea VoP got changed as well.
i doubt if even the people who do those changes, know what they have changed so far.i really doubt, and i doubt if skills works as you mention here.only profecies so far seems to work, forgotten scrols and skils related to them are totaly faked up...
LAst tank updates lol
LAst Se update lol
discrimination, only SE got gracia skill
tanks nerfed? what else stiupid ideas?
Tanks got nerfed attacks on ud, drake made mixed subsystem , so its posible make tank/archer tank / mage
and now drake , nerf tank skills for sub , its not good idea nerf any char , coz drake will pist off next ppl
good adivce , dont change anything, leave as much as possible like on official:)
Well I've got to say that it doesn't seem to be well organised with game rules randomly changing - people spend quite some time to come up with good main/sub and by time they lvl up - snap, it's all changed. As for features I suppose that it's a bad idea to mix different chronicles of the game. As a programmer I believe it is pointless to try to balance the server when skills from different chronicles start coming in - when the balance is reached it's usually broken as soon as new skills appear, then all previously updated stats/skills etc need changing again.
As for adding some skills for SE - yep definitely a +1. Most SE I saw running about were mostly dual-boxes so new skills may catch an eye of people who potentially will play that class actively. On x5 however I don't think any of them will have good time exping, most people want SE/BD with all skills already there and SE can't exp alone after lvl 60-61. I think that giving SE sort of nuke for killing undead up to lvl 74, like BP and EE would not hurt anyone but help people who still want to play support classes.
Althought not everyone is always happy after an update comes, still respect for server maintenancers. As this is L2Off serv I would be shocked if they have source code for it and therefore doing everything in Hex editor or such... People don't realise that but it's a pain in butt to change anything (pff gl locating what is where first) and even bigger pain to not break something else meanwhile - I would not even bother if all the Donat coins were going to my pocket only xD