Hello.
Well i didnt play about 2y. I dont know how works archers in hellbound so i ask u for advice.
I want to make new archer/xx no mutant. What is nice for pvp, can stand a bit longer, is not going to nerf soon?
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on April 14, 2010, 03:38:59 PM
pr/ps
he/wk
arcehr/tank
ofc when u have good eq, full buff
For me at massPVP better is archer/summoner, because u have almost all the time tp( 50% dmg u are getting, so not big dmg from all the classes).
wasnt they nerfed just now? =)
Advice:
+ pr/bd
HE/GL.
Quote from: Ashlynn on April 14, 2010, 08:44:53 PM
HE/GL.
Totally Agree , probably the most surprising , funny , innovative , strong archer sub.
Glad's side provides you many more benefits than any class else.
Warcry gives 25% patk ( more than WL's one for the ones who don't know.. )
Duelist spirit , as far as I tested it with the bow It gave something like 10% pvp damage bonus , plus you can enchant it ( No idea if it works anyway xD try it urself )
Light's masteries should give still a bit of pdef bonus
You got 2x dashes ( stackable...wich make you a kiting machine.. )
10 seconds of immortality in wich you may also distract the enemies , taking their hits for a while until you party helps you.
Tons of hp , battle roar liv 1 ( that restores 10% of your max hp , that means if you got 10k hp you'r gonna gain 1k back... )
Lionheart , makes you almost unvulnerable against any kind of debuffs
*Breavehart , restores 1k cp , usefull on pvp
In my honest opinion , it's the most worthy to be done atm , not just another one of those so pro he/wk wich look all the same for god's sake !
Edit*
Taken by an impetus for talking about that awesome class , I forgot to add some lil' things like
*Sagittarius got blessing of arrow (HIghly decreases skill reuse time ), combining it with glad's skill makes you good even in olympiads against bow resist chars , plus decreasing battle roar reuse provide you a nice amount of healed hp in low time
Quote from: Dhart on April 15, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
Totally Agree , probably the most surprising , funny , innovative , strong archer sub.
Glad's side provides you many more benefits than any class else.
Warcry gives 25% patk ( more than WL's one for the ones who don't know.. )
Duelist spirit , as far as I tested it with the bow It gave something like 10% pvp damage bonus , plus you can enchant it ( No idea if it works anyway xD try it urself )
Light's masteries should give still a bit of pdef bonus
You got 2x dashes ( stackable...wich make you a kiting machine.. )
10 seconds of immortality in wich you may also distract the enemies , taking their hits for a while until you party helps you.
Tons of hp , battle roar liv 1 ( that restores 10% of your max hp , that means if you got 10k hp you'r gonna gain 1k back... )
Lionheart , makes you almost unvulnerable against any kind of debuffs
*Breavehart , restores 1k cp , usefull on pvp
In my honest opinion , it's the most worthy to be done atm , not just another one of those so pro he/wk wich look all the same for god's sake !
Edit*
Taken by an impetus for talking about that awesome class , I forgot to add some lil' things like
*Sagittarius got blessing of arrow (HIghly decreases skill reuse time ), combining it with glad's skill makes you good even in olympiads against bow resist chars , plus decreasing battle roar reuse provide you a nice amount of healed hp in low time
+ Against tank combos you are still pretty powerful with duals.
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Does Final Frenzy of GL also work with bow? :-\
I'd rather make PR/GL,DeadEye is still worth and u'd have Crit.Power lvl 3,also u wouldn't be slow cos of GL's Dash.Imo the best dmg dealer around.
Quote from: Sephiroth on April 18, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
I'd rather make PR/GL,DeadEye is still worth and u'd have Crit.Power lvl 3,also u wouldn't be slow cos of GL's Dash.Imo the best dmg dealer around.
Yes , but he's looking for a non mutant char , that's why I pointed out the gl/he :p
Quote from: Dhart on April 18, 2010, 01:32:28 PM
Yes , but he's looking for a non mutant char , that's why I pointed out the gl/he :p
I pointed out GL/HE! :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on April 18, 2010, 03:06:59 PM
I pointed out GL/HE! :D
Not really ! you just mentioned it U_U
Quote from: Dhart on April 18, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
Not really ! you just mentioned it U_U
and you just mentioned its advantages :P
Quote from: Dhart on April 18, 2010, 01:32:28 PM
Yes , but he's looking for a non mutant char , that's why I pointed out the gl/he :p
Well,I'd waste my time making a mutant char,it'd be worth to make a PR/GL instead of HE/GL,and there'd be no problem with FSs if he makes dwarf mutant.
Anyway,if he doesn't have time or don't wanna make mutant,HE/GL is a good one,but don't forget'bout HE/WK,always useful and a good char ;)
Quote from: Sephiroth on April 18, 2010, 04:19:40 PM
Well,I'd waste my time making a mutant char,it'd be worth to make a PR/GL instead of HE/GL,and there'd be no problem with FSs if he makes dwarf mutant.
Anyway,if he doesn't have time or don't wanna make mutant,HE/GL is a good one,but don't forget'bout HE/WK,always useful and a good char ;)
he/glad > he/wk :p
Anyway dwarves mutants sux badly , plus there's a way to make mutants liv 85 with human skin:p...
Quote from: Dhart on April 18, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
he/glad > he/wk :p
Anyway dwarves mutants sux badly , plus there's a way to make mutants liv 85 with human skin:p...
Not really,different chars,while HE/GL is a pure dmg dealer HE/WK is a mix of a not so bad dmg dealer and defensive char if u'r able to keep ur cat alive.
Quote from: Sephiroth on April 18, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
Not really,different chars,while HE/GL is a pure dmg dealer HE/WK is a mix of a not so bad dmg dealer and defensive char if u'r able to keep ur cat alive.
well, try to keep your cat alive against pure dmg dealer :) You would need to be on WK stats to heal her all the time xd
Quote from: Sephiroth on April 18, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
Not really,different chars,while HE/GL is a pure dmg dealer HE/WK is a mix of a not so bad dmg dealer and defensive char if u'r able to keep ur cat alive.
I'v been using glad/wk for about 3 years and I perfectly know how it works ^^ ... maybe some times ago WK used to be good even on fighters stats if it was well used , but nowdays summon is just a 3 min buff bot , nothing else
Quote from: Ashlynn on April 18, 2010, 06:14:17 PM
well, try to keep your cat alive against pure dmg dealer :) You would need to be on WK stats to heal her all the time xd
Not really,I'm not talking'bout 1 vs 1,in Siege/Mass pvp it's easier to keep the cat in the back,the hard thing is to maintain a good amount of HP cos of TP.
Quote from: Dhart on April 18, 2010, 06:43:45 PM
I'v been using glad/wk for about 3 years and I perfectly know how it works ^^ ... maybe some times ago WK used to be good even on fighters stats if it was well used , but nowdays summon is just a 3 min buff bot , nothing else
For me it's not,perhaps my playstyle is different,I try to keep my cat alive,it's not easy,but not imposible.
I seen some SR/Glad performed very well in pvp.
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on April 20, 2010, 12:00:24 AM
I seen some SR/Glad performed very well in pvp.
pr/glad > any archer else
Well i have seen at past questions like that ,in my opinion is that all is about ur play style .
Dont forget that the char from alone wont kill anyone .
I was pleased with my he/wk and pr/wk at past but nothing cant be compared with pr/gl imo .
Take a taste from a semi-geard pr/gl on nightmare .
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Quote from: Deavon on April 22, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
Well i have seen at past questions like that ,in my opinion is that all is about ur play style .
Dont forget that the char from alone wont kill anyone .
I was pleased with my he/wk and pr/wk at past but nothing cant be compared with pr/gl imo .
Take a taste from a semi-geard pr/gl on nightmare .
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/474/shot00022a.jpg) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/shot00022a.jpg/)
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may I ask why +4 wit -4 int?
If this he/gl is so good i think they nerf him soon, so i dont want risk to waste a time.
I am thinking about he/wk right now.
Quote from: J4cKDan13L on April 22, 2010, 05:46:09 AM
may I ask why +4 wit -4 int?
Hex,Powerbreak,Freezing strike way faster ?:D
Quote from: Deavon on April 22, 2010, 01:32:03 PM
Hex,Powerbreak,Freezing strike way faster ?:D
He's nab , don't even mind replying him xD
how big is the difference in hp/cp on pr stats? and the difference in patk too?
Quote from: Caliburn on April 23, 2010, 10:27:42 PM
how big is the difference in hp/cp on pr stats? and the difference in patk too?
Patk is about the same , health's difference is huge...
Quote from: Sephiroth on April 18, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
I'd rather make PR/GL,DeadEye is still worth and u'd have Crit.Power lvl 3,also u wouldn't be slow cos of GL's Dash.Imo the best dmg dealer around.
DeadEye is sh1t since HB, in IL was good but now sux
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Quote from: Itsme9x on April 24, 2010, 03:38:56 AM
DeadEye is sh1t since HB, in IL was good but now sux
What do you mean excacly by sucks? Cause with Icarus bows i find it even more helpfull O_O
make a test whats better, 20% more atk speed, or 20% more patk and you will find out
also only usefull thing for dead eye is now for raids, to save a bit of manna use
Dead Eye nowadays is only good with Icarus bow, without it the skill sucks.
Mainly because dmg output (and crit dmg) of archers is much lower then it used to be, thus the bonus from the actual plus sides of Dead Eye are lower, while the negative effect remains the same. With a Drac bow, Dead Eye really sucks now.
Quote from: Furesy on April 24, 2010, 03:02:30 PM
Dead Eye nowadays is only good with Icarus bow, without it the skill sucks.
Mainly because dmg output (and crit dmg) of archers is much lower then it used to be, thus the bonus from the actual plus sides of Dead Eye are lower, while the negative effect remains the same. With a Drac bow, Dead Eye really sucks now.
But , he got an IC bow so pr/glad for life:p
i havent ready any previous posts, but in my opinion. best sub is your own personal view on which is the best sub, you dont need to pwn as long as you have fun. =)