You sub your char for what? Just for simple pvp without goals?
cuz you cant use it in epic boss pvp, cant use it on hb. So the subbed char is just useless :DD you don't even need to sub your char if you don't want to farm pvp points :D
It's same like you play on official, without stacksubs, and then you go to dn login arena to have fun.
Quote from: Kotlet on April 29, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
145,8789%
Have you made poll or what?
They're using google analytics :D
I honestly think that its not that bad..
HB will be full ot Partys not of Tyr + Bots, and Exp eaters.
Oly will be 100% balanced.
Also the Epic Rb's will require parcipitation of more than one organized PT. Isnt that kind'a better?
Ty/De etc will be able to farm FOG / IT / DINO etc. max lvl 80 is not bad so well .. ?
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Any way... I know that most people dont want to break the habbits of theyr whole life and they want to play with theyr own self but well.
but if i think about it, i will have more time if this system stays, cuz i won't play l2 at all :D
Quote from: Biolo_idiota on April 29, 2010, 09:50:33 PMI honestly think that its not that bad..
HB will be full ot Partys not of Tyr + Bots, and Exp eaters.
Oly will be 100% balanced.
Also the Epic Rb's will require parcipitation of more than one organized PT. Isnt that kind'a better?
not so good, since the l2 is a bugged shit, with more ppl it will be 1 fps (gta4 runs much better than l2 with 100 ppl near :DDDD)
there will be no more ppl. ppl play bcuz they want, not bcuz their ally command them when they needed in pvp.
I don't said i have problem with the oly restriction, that is the only good thing in it.
"HB will be full ot Partys not of Tyr + Bots, and Exp eaters. " what is the connection between bots, exp eaters, and stack sub?
If i want these i gonna play on an official like server without stacksubs, cuz they are SAME. I wanted to play here bcuz of stacksub, but since it made useless, i won't. So if gms don't want a normal sub system, they should just delete stacksubs, cuz it's useless already.
This is the best solution, no more noobs with 3x box ownig partys at most important places. You will have to use some tactic, gather a good team. no more tyr/destro farming epic bosses. Oly will be again playable without sps/ee and th/pp. Finnaly at DN servers we will have team play as it used to be in c4 times.
So i bet that a lot of ppl at 8 pm tomorrow will start adventure at Valkyria. If you complain about such system no one will cry for you.
Quote from: LMS on April 29, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
This is the best solution, no more noobs with 3x box ownig partys at most important places. You will have to use some tactic, gather a good team. no more tyr/destro farming epic bosses. Oly will be again playable without sps/ee and th/pp. Finnaly at DN servers we will have team play as it used to be in c4 times.
So i bet that a lot of ppl at 8 pm tomorrow will start adventure at Valkyria. If you complain about such system no one will cry for you.
+1
Well i completely agree with you disc. This new sub system is more than strange for me. I used to play here few years ago and than i moved to retail type server but it's a little bit boring for me now. So i wanted to go back to substack server. When i saw that DNet is opening new server i was happy because infinity and nightmare are too old for me. I finally saw opportunity to fresh start on substack serv. Now after this new update i think i won't play here. And I'm very disappointed because i had plans and i wanted to play with old friends :'/
Well GMs i think no one would be angry if you move server opening for few days and make normal Dnet sub system.
Please think about it.
ok QQ_QQ but they could just make normal retail type server because i don't know now what will be more useless main or retail :|
But however i will test it in game ... So don't judge server before it even start :)
Quote from: Vessar on April 29, 2010, 10:28:47 PM
no one would be angry
I will be angry :D
but you can move openings for 12h, beacuse I have others things to do on friday evening. No one would be angry :P
Ok sorry i forget about ppl that like that system
But after rethink this whole topic about new subsystem i belive that making another poll and voting for new system sub or dnet is not good idea. Just waste of time :P
yea i w8 for this server 1 or 2 months and now gms say faking shit rules n/c ofc i`ll not join here cya
Quote from: qwertyzxc on April 29, 2010, 10:36:53 PM
yea i w8 for this server 1 or 2 months and now gms say faking shit rules n/c ofc i`ll not join here cya
Yes i think that MOST ppl that wanted to join here have same feelings but i think we should try...
Quote from: LMS on April 29, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
This is the best solution, no more noobs with 3x box ownig partys at most important places. You will have to use some tactic, gather a good team. no more tyr/destro farming epic bosses. Oly will be again playable without sps/ee and th/pp. Finnaly at DN servers we will have team play as it used to be in c4 times.
So i bet that a lot of ppl at 8 pm tomorrow will start adventure at Valkyria. If you complain about such system no one will cry for you.
sorry but if u call noobs ppls who use ty/des who kill bosses ur a retard. On substack system u can killbosses with full pt with 39018293 ppls or just ty/des + some friends ( ofc nabish ty/des cant kill epic boss with a grade or s grade items only some ty/des can kill some good rb`s with good gear and support ) u have 2 option for that and now ? u need 47892744 ppls for kill rb and here will not play 328942 ppls becouse this server will look like 99% all others server`s
anyway ty/des cant kill epic boss like valakas/antharas so what u talking :<>
Quote from: qwertyzxc on April 29, 2010, 10:40:45 PM
sorry but if u call noobs ppls who use ty/des who kill bosses ur a retard. On substack system u can killbosses with full pt with 39018293 ppls or just ty/des + some friends ( ofc nabish ty/des cant kill epic boss with a grade or s grade items only some ty/des can kill some good rb`s with good gear and support ) u have 2 option for that and now ? u need 47892744 ppls for kill rb and here will not play 328942 ppls becouse this server will look like 99% all others server`s
anyway ty/des cant kill epic boss like valakas/antharas so what u talking :<>
I'm sorry but you are wrong about this server. It won't be like 99% of servers around. Because normal PvP ( not about epics and oly ) i can assure you will be on substacks. It just won't be that easy to make substacked char. So think about it.
Tp bad the world of dragonnetwork isnt a democratic' world
Quote from: LMS on April 29, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
This is the best solution, no more noobs with 3x box ownig partys at most important places. You will have to use some tactic, gather a good team. no more tyr/destro farming epic bosses. Oly will be again playable without sps/ee and th/pp. Finnaly at DN servers we will have team play as it used to be in c4 times
lol what a bullshit... in c4 we had NORMAL sub system...
btw it would be better to fix the exploit and bugs instead of making a dn server what's looks like a shareware game...
and if you have owned by a 3box party, then YOU need to have tactic, and better party...
I would be happy if i can play on a server like the dn was in c4. Those were the best times... but this shit VERY VERY far from that.
those who like this new system should try a server without substacks. You'll have that balance (LOL) on those, and you don't need to re equip for a varka pvp, and you'll have that "teamwork" too.
That's why i say, if i really should be an l2 nerd, i would play on an off like server, after these changes on this server, cuz it is same like here, just you don't need reequips when you move to an unrestricted zone :D and you can play with that class you want.
but really i wanted to play a stacksub server, but if there wont be stacksub server, i wont play l2 :)
beleive me, who like this shit system, a plain off like server would be better for you. Try fe l2.ru
Quote from: qwertyzxc on April 29, 2010, 10:40:45 PM
sorry but if u call noobs ppls who use ty/des who kill bosses ur a retard.
anyway ty/des cant kill epic boss like valakas/antharas so what u talking :<>
Have I? And you can use your beloved tyr/destro to kill rb- just 3 of them are restricted ... Question is what YOU are talking about ...
people came because they want new dn-style stack sub server....why dont you just give people what they want, nobody asked for a QQ fishy friendly sub style. We want pure hardcore DN server, stack-sub.
Quote from: Danoontje on April 29, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
Tp bad the world of dragonnetwork isnt a democratic' world
Realy? Even if 100 will complain - 1000 will play
Quote from: Boolets on April 30, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
people came because they want new dn-style stack sub server....why dont you just give people what they want, nobody asked for a QQ fishy friendly sub style. We want pure hardcore DN server, stack-sub.
+1 for that
i probably wont play because of that stupid rules and i think many ppl think like me ;)
Quote from: disc on April 29, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
I would be happy if i can play on a server like the dn was in c4. Those were the best times... but this shit VERY VERY far from that.
Yeah, ppl were inviting you to exp party. For pvp u had to have pll with support subs in your party. Not everyone had full buff 24/7. Or boss sets. I remember when u could play PP as your main. Or even BD :o
I made my 1st sub to pp just so i could buff myself with basic buffs, not to "pwn" everyone.
All that was because ppl didnt use dualboxes or 5x boxes. Dualbox killed DN more effectively than all the corruption together.
Quote from: Boolets on April 30, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
people came because they want new dn-style stack sub server....why dont you just give people what they want, nobody asked for a QQ fishy friendly sub style. We want pure hardcore DN server, stack-sub.
Man! i love u!!
why all of us stay here? for same reazon.. DN sub..we want a hardcore playing! full pvp in everyway at everymoment.. everytime!
If i know that i will stay 80% of the time playing whit a char w/o subclass stack (that is not what i like..) i ll find a Ofitioal server..
BUT NO!!! I WANT FIGTH! I WANT SUBCLASS/STACK! I WANT A FULL PVP EVERYWAY WHIT SUBSTACK! only good idea that i see, of all of this.. Is Olys just whit main w/o subStack.. now.. sever lost 50% of ppl.. 35 to 40 ppl just of my clan. in the first 3 weeks.. will lost other amount.. in some time the server will be empy..
Sorry.. but ppl 90% of the ppl, or more, coming here (and wait more that 10 weeks!) for other server..
Dragon-summer Night's Dream
(inspired by the Day of Earth)
Quiet night (Not so holy though). Fans purrs, red eyes sparks in late hours at the pixels. Addicts click furiously.
DN-like Staff: A new server is coming! No Donies, no goodies, no cookies, no more Empire Strikes Back!!!
DN Community: Woooooooooohooooooooo!!!! Give it, give it, give it to us, OUR PRECIOUSSSSSSSSS!!!
Darth Vader: Holy Force! No power plants for glowing!?!? (breaks his light saber into two and sticks it up Palpatine's arse)
Staff: It will be Glorious, you know, x20 and Shining in the Universe!
Poland: ATTAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!
Staff: Erm... Changed the mood, it'll go to x9.
Community (suspiciously head-scratching): Dudes, will you keep that last 9-EX till the opening, will be really annoying to lose 8 more and it starts like x1 at the end.
Staff: We'll try. We do our best to have at least x3 for grand opening next... millenium. Hopefully.
Innocent bystander: What is that game again?!
Pro players: (stunning, stabbing, hammering, slaying the bystander): Population decreased.
Staff: There will be rules!
Community: WTF?! Nooooooooooooo wayyyyy!!! Die in pain, sick bastards!!!
Sin Eater: Blah!
Achmed: Silence!!!
Staff: (Silence)
Britney: Oops... They did it again!
Captain America: Why the heck you gave the Internet to these fagots?!
Staff: We experience hardware issues, sorry for the inconvenience, will be back ASAP. ETA - close to 21.12.2012, Midnight.
Community: We won't play Valky, until you make it DIFFERENT!!! Like other DN!!!
Staff: Sigh. Girls wait, sorry guys.
Community: *@^&%@#)(_&*_!@%*!@)(^#@)*^%#%!!!!! (censured)
Staff: (Turning the power off and treating headaches)
Community: (Turning the forum off and treating headaches)
FBI: (Turning the case off and treating headaches)
Everyone else: (Turning the PCs off and go to the pub)
Shakespeare (naughty): May I play with Macbeth now?
END.
Dedicated to the hard working, time- and brain-losing DN staff, not-so-hard ones too, and numerous addicts all over the world (mostly from PL), who made it REAL.
Love you all!
See you on Valky! :)
Quote from: LMS on April 30, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Realy? Even if 100 will complain - 1000 will play
i dont think so.. 90% of all ppl was waiting a simple DN-sub w/o sonations... and mutans. No a New diferent DN-sistem