so guys , do u like this sub system ? or u prefair the old one ?
Old one. This new system with restrictions is like someting in a shop's display window what you can't buy(here you cant use it).
Quote from: disc on May 01, 2010, 04:02:29 PM
Old one. This new system with restrictions is like someting in a shop's display window what you can't buy(here you cant use it).
old one > new one for sure
now u will have to do retail quest for sub , plus u will lose ur main class and u can't get a stucksub for it
New system suck. Only oly is good idea with new system because its more balanced. But they should let us choose that we want start with DNSub or main class. And rate..
Quote from: llllllllll on May 01, 2010, 04:05:04 PM
old one > new one for sure
now u will have to do retail quest for sub , plus u will lose ur main class and u can't get a stucksub for it
+ you cant use tha stacksubs in 90% of territories where a high lvl player goes...
those thing you're wrote arent big problems, the main problem is this territory restriction.
old 1
imo if they want a bigger popullation they should change it :)
I don't think so they will change it, they are too stubborn and conceited. ^^
Old one
Please admins think about it. Old servers with good dn sub type are too old. All ppl have S and Dynasty i won't describe details cuz i believe everyone know what i mean. This server was opportunity to start all over again with many ppl online. But n/c :/
Torn and Descent know better than you whats is better. But unfortunately they will be suprised after few weeks (days?)
I don't understand. You are smashing around, with lvl 40 - 60, and you already are complaining about new sub system....
Before, ppl were complaining about oly, valakas killed in 1 party, ty/de farming cata or mutants, now then they fixed all of those problems, you are complaining again, because you have to make retail first... so? Have you never played l2 ( I mean real l2) ? Plus, you have to make this sub for noblesse anyway, so primary, or secondary, what a diffrence...
This is system can be rly nice imo, mby there should be something like auto-switch to ur main class, f.e when u teleport to anthy lair (ppl will be able to make pvp with subs before they teleport into lair), and when u left zone u will back on ur retail + sub,
Quote from: JeEbok on May 01, 2010, 05:25:55 PM
This is system can be rly nice imo, mby there should be something like auto-switch to ur main class, f.e when u teleport to anthy lair (ppl will be able to make pvp with subs before they teleport into lair), and when u left zone u will back on ur retail + sub,
And you will fight in heavy armor on your main class Spellsinger after autoswitch?
Quote from: Kerth on May 01, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
I don't understand. You are smashing around, with lvl 40 - 60, and you already are complaining about new sub system....
Before, ppl were complaining about oly, valakas killed in 1 party, ty/de farming cata or mutants, now then they fixed all of those problems, you are complaining again, because you have to make retail first... so? Have you never played l2 ( I mean real l2) ? Plus, you have to make this sub for noblesse anyway, so primary, or secondary, what a diffrence...
If you agree of everything on server why you dont play and just waste time to talk on forum? You cannot accept the majority view? Everyone can have their own opinions. Stop blame them. Its like "You cant like red color, red suck. You dont know anything about colors". But most people likes red, and in the end it is important.
Quote from: Kerth on May 01, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
I don't understand. You are smashing around, with lvl 40 - 60, and you already are complaining about new sub system....
Before, ppl were complaining about oly, valakas killed in 1 party, ty/de farming cata or mutants, now then they fixed all of those problems, you are complaining again, because you have to make retail first... so? Have you never played l2 ( I mean real l2) ? Plus, you have to make this sub for noblesse anyway, so primary, or secondary, what a diffrence...
im not 40-60 lvl. I don't even start a char if i know i cant use stacked sub... i want use subbed chars. if can't, i rather go to an off like server without subs, or i search for a server with normal stacksub system (fe frintezza).
1 party killed valakas, why? bcuz of bugged skills, mutats was possible becuz drake left them. You're really don't know this game if you think the sub system was the cause of these... no it wasn't the cause of these was the careless gms who log in 1x in a year, don't watch bug reports. BTW on other servers since the skills have been fixed you cant kill valakas with 1 party, nor antharas...
And with bugged skills it is possible to kill epics with one party too, without stacksubs.
Never the stacksub was the problem, but the bugged shits was
Quote from: Question on May 01, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
And you will fight in heavy armor on your main class Spellsinger after autoswitch?
take set for sps.
Quote from: Question on May 01, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
If you agree of everything on server why you dont play and just waste time to talk on forum? You cannot accept the majority view? Everyone can have their own opinions. Stop blame them. Its like "You cant like red color, red suck. You dont know anything about colors". But most people likes red, and in the end it is important.
I'm not agreeing with everything, I'd prefer old subs system but why don't try this too?; about wasting time -> it's my time.
That's my opinion
Where I am blaming some1 or some1's opinion? show me that
and how can u guys say that system sux if u haven't subs ??? u 're precitioners?
That system for sure isn't the best, but don't say it totally sux after 1 day...
Quote from: JeEbok on May 01, 2010, 06:09:26 PMand how can u guys say that system sux if u haven't subs ??? u 're precitioners?
That system for sure isn't the best, but don't say it sux after 1 day...
LOL what a bullshit.
Cuz gms wrote what will be the restrictions! So it will SUXX. This isn't a undecided thing, it's a fact. I've played l2 i know 90% of time i will be on epics, and hellbound when i reach high level, and those places i cant use subs, and that's sux. The re-equipping also suxx hard with those inventory, and weight limits when you change subs...
BTW for example: why don't you buy the worst looking dirty car if you didn't even tried it? Because you know it won't be good. Same with this server, i don't want to spend time to lvl a char if i know this system will suxx...
and i wonder why really no1 see the "once you reached level 80 you can take sub"
are you blind or what, people, YOU NEED LEVEL 80 TO TAKE SUB
in old system we leveled to 76 or 77/40%, deleveled, and played with our well deserved (^^) subs back to 78 and up
what is here is: 1st you must make your main 75 or 76 without sub
after it you must level AGAIN with only 1 skill set on char to level 80
(btw, it takes really really a long time to level to 80, maybe it's easy on other server, where all have best items + af)
now you finally reached level 80/80, you are max level, you have S grades, the only good place to go farm now is Hellbound which is restricted to main only
also oly unavailable, and no idea why they did it on big raid bosses also, it has no sense, our raids are just as hard as official BECAUSE THEY ARE BOOSTED YOU IDIOTS, THEY ARE BOOSTED (only antharas has elpy official stats and is killable with 1 destroyer, not even ty/de)
and why it's easy to kill big bosses:: becos there are no developers / gms to fix Bluff, they fixed switch / trick / mirage / shield bash / stun shot / aura flash on raids, yet they left Bluff untouched
now what you will have on valkirya are either raids with official stats which will be easy for even unsubbed (but geared) chars
OR
you will have boosted valakas like on infinity which you will be able to kill only with bug, good luck becos it takes 1-3 hours to kill it with 50 subbed chars without bluff (where most have +/- all raid jewels, icarus bows, OE dyna, S weapons, DNET armors)
so what this system brings is more or less being on main not subbed char while having a sub-class for pvp and raid bosses
and i'm sure they won't make any changes to ty/de so how this will look like is again for all the normal bosses people will again make 1 ty/de, bd/se, sws/ee, pp/wk and job done (good team play server !!)
Quote from: JeEbok on May 01, 2010, 06:09:26 PM
and how can u guys say that system sux if u haven't subs ??? u 're precitioners?
if i told y Go to play in Retail server What ud say ? ofc u will say no cause u know that its x1 w/o sub and u will have to pay money...
Why i Should waste my time lvling a char in a x9 Server , lvl up it to 80 , make retail sub quest (And we will have to wait for ppl gear's up so they will be able to kill RBs)
then when i finish that quest , i will have to lvl again to 80 and sub... This can be done in like 4 weeks while to sub a char on NM takes 1 day...
plus , i wont even be able to pvp in HB and the other areas , whats the point of doing Substack then ?
Quote from: JeEbok on May 01, 2010, 06:09:26 PM
take set for sps.
I'm not agreeing with everything, I'd prefer old subs system but why don't try this too?; about wasting time -> it's my time.
That's my opinion
Where I am blaming some1 or some1's opinion? show me that
and how can u guys say that system sux if u haven't subs ??? u 're precitioners?
That system for sure isn't the best, but don't say it totally sux after 1 day...
That was to Kerth.
Quote from: Question on May 01, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
If you agree of everything on server why you dont play and just waste time to talk on forum? You cannot accept the majority view? Everyone can have their own opinions. Stop blame them. Its like "You cant like red color, red suck. You dont know anything about colors". But most people likes red, and in the end it is important.
I don't agree about everythink, just i think this system fix most of horrible stack problems (while I don't love it, cuz I always have liked to play mutants).
You are right, but that was not the point - in your example - how can you say I like / dislike red color, if you have never seen this color?
Saying that something MUST and WILL sux, because it MUST be so, because I think so, is not good way :)
Try, taste, judge.
well before i tried it , i already judged it :)
just think a sec , if u aren't able to PVP on hellbound with ur sub , so whats the point of this stucksub ? we will miss great pvps.... and l2 is made for pvp not like wow for RBs
I like new system a lot, the restrictions are good too but maybe the hellbound zone one should be removed. Everything else is perfect (if it's exactly like they said)
-so you want stack subs on hb bot pt spoiling ews like 100 a day plus s grade wepon from coinz it will be star wars in 1 month
-dino stack sub pvp rest not subed pvp
-and its obvius to have main same class as retail sub cus of changing so he -- he/pp to avoid gear porblems
Quote from: gosu2kl on May 01, 2010, 07:29:44 PM
-so you want stack subs on hb bot pt spoiling ews like 100 a day plus s grade wepon from coinz it will be star wars in 1 month
-dino stack sub pvp rest not subed pvp
-and its obvius to have main same class as retail sub cus of changing so he -- he/pp to avoid gear porblems
loled at "Bot pt hb"
Didnt u read a shit on what i said ? Every pvp zone is now forbidden for Subbed class , and how u can "bot" spoiler and get 100 ews/day since there's no mutant and only Dual box allowed ? at least read privious post before sayin bullshits like this
Can some1 tell me how the new system work? How can i sub? thanks
Quote from: llllllllll on May 01, 2010, 07:43:10 PM
loled at "Bot pt hb"
Didnt u read a shit on what i said ? Every pvp zone is now forbidden for Subbed class , and how u can "bot" spoiler and get 100 ews/day since there's no mutant and only Dual box allowed ? at least read privious post before sayin bullshits like this
and now you know why hb is not allowed for sub chars glad you got it :)
Quote from: Damiyos on May 01, 2010, 08:24:37 PM
Can some1 tell me how the new system work? How can i sub? thanks
Yes sir official topic can tall you
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,217818.0.html (http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,217818.0.html)
Quote from: gosu2kl on May 01, 2010, 09:14:23 PM
and now you know why hb is not allowed for sub chars glad you got it :)
how can a BH/WS kill a mob alone with a PP as support u crazy ??
Quote from: gosu2kl on May 01, 2010, 07:29:44 PM
-so you want stack subs on hb bot pt spoiling ews like 100 a day plus s grade wepon from coinz it will be star wars in 1 month
-dino stack sub pvp rest not subed pvp
-and its obvius to have main same class as retail sub cus of changing so he -- he/pp to avoid gear porblems
-Its easy to bot with main class only with 2 boxes / if u dont want SW server decrease spoil rate of EWS and remove donations
-Dino is the worst place in whole l2 world for pvp (by my opinion).
-Not everyone is gonna make that kind of choice.
1 main and 1 dual box is alloved on server
dino is challenging for pvp cus many mobs that can help enemy ;p
atm we have somthing new who need 5 same server
you have ocasion to play retail like and sub like in one server but at least thay colud rise rates cus there is lots of exp to do ;o
Dragon-Network is a stuck sub community ... wtf this server must have this lol'd sub system? <.< bha....
I didn't like it at all!!
zone restriction sux!
when they remove restrictions and then I come..
stop whining