ADMINS I come with proposition to make new official POLL about changing sub system to how it was before:
-Normal DNet subs
-No mutants
Well i think there is enough people which are disappointed of your decision.
i also believe that it isn't too late to do that because most of people didn't even pass 60lvl
Take a look how many people decide not to start playing here.
With all i heard there was suppose to be about 3000 people on start
After new features at the begging there was 500 people and only reason of so low online is that you changed subsystem.
Please think about it.
and x rate much people enter in valkiria because is 20x mid rate and you change it for 9x low rate?
For me
New nobless system - no problem
Rate - its problem
Rate+new nobless system - its horrible
Anyway impossible to make poll because ppl can make so many accounts. If it will be poll it should be only for players who registred after xx date.
And btw. admins will not change system because players want it. Unfortunately..
Yea but they should think for who did they make this server? For 2 or 3 GMs or for PLAYERS?
First of all i want to say a big thx for your hard work.
But as you see, many ppl hate this sub system. I havent problem with this, but with 5-600 online... I think you have to think about change this system to normal dn sub without mutants, cause if we wont have more ppl, server will die in 3-4 weeks for sure, because the ppl who like your system will leave too cuz of low online.
And what is my opinion? There will be more and more players becouse they will understand that playing at old DN servers is nonsens :)
Quote from: TifaPL on May 01, 2010, 10:36:35 PM
And what is my opinion? There will be more and more players becouse they will understand that playing at old DN servers is nonsens :)
if there was a vote i would vote Old sub system for sure with a mix with this new one , what i mean ?
with ur main + stucksub u can get everywhere u want , but No mutants and u can sub retails
if GMs add it , it will rock
Maybe they accept subsystem but i dont think so normal player can accept 9x rate, its nonsens. Personally I decided to not play because of rate.
ye but according to this
Quote from: Descent on May 01, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
After next reboot SP rate changed to x15.
Minor bug fixed for shadow weapons - farm coin weapons.
http://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,217973.0.html
it should be fixed soon dunno
anyways , if they fix sub as i said it will be a pwnzor server , imo 4k players ++
I dont care about anything except rate :D
Quote from: llllllllll on May 01, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
ye but according to thishttp://forum.dragon-community.net/index.php/topic,217973.0.html
it should be fixed soon dunno
anyways , if they fix sub as i said it will be a pwnzor server , imo 4k players ++
//agree GM's think it again pls
Quote from: TifaPL on May 01, 2010, 10:36:35 PM
And what is my opinion? There will be more and more players becouse they will understand that playing at old DN servers is nonsens :)
Yes thats why i left infinity few months ago but nonsens is that people are overpowered there not subsystem.
-main class without sub: no problem, but the need of retail sub quests (baium, toi bosses) should be removed, if we cant get stacksub on main
-retails with stacksubs: good thing, but the lvl 80 cap from retails should be removed
-main class only restriction on oly: good, but on other territories VERY BAD
-rate: should be 20x
there are just minor problems with new sub system, it's basics are good. The major problem is the restrictions outside of olympiad!
Quote from: disc on May 02, 2010, 12:31:09 AM
-main class without sub: no problem, but the need of retail sub quests (baium, toi bosses) should be removed, if we cant get stacksub on main
-retails with stacksubs: good thing, but the lvl 80 cap from retails should be removed
-main class only restriction on oly: good, but on other territories VERY BAD
-rate: should be 20x
so the real freakup is that zone restriction
True after that changes it would be OK
Quote-main class only restriction on oly: good, but on other territories VERY BAD
- this game is not only pvp, its just one part of this game
- on others servers ppl, who got only one support class, amost never may find pt coz too many players use their dual box supports for exp... bd/se+sws/pp+th/wl from one computer and you may make really nice trains on arcane mobs or chimeras... amost the same option in cata. Double dual support and all what we need.
And about epic boss... everyone see what is happen when on all servers got tons of boss jew.
Quote-main class without sub: no problem, but the need of retail sub quests (baium, toi bosses) should be removed, if we cant get stacksub on main
-retails with stacksubs: good thing, but the lvl 80 cap from retails should be removed
for what... ppl shoud learn how to play on one class... if you wanna play in double classes you shoud "pay", with your time, for it
... and max 80 lev is enouch... on this lev you may gain amost everythink, you want Protection Of Alignment or Fighter Will... obtain it on main ;)
Quote from: disc on May 02, 2010, 12:31:09 AM
-main class without sub: no problem, but the need of retail sub quests (baium, toi bosses) should be removed, if we cant get stacksub on main
-retails with stacksubs: good thing, but the lvl 80 cap from retails should be removed
-main class only restriction on oly: good, but on other territories VERY BAD
-rate: should be 20x
there are just minor problems with new sub system, it's basics are good. The major problem is the restrictions outside of olympiad!
+1
Also it would be nice if we would be able to sub retail on 76 no 80 because it take a lot of time to exp to 80 :/
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AM- this game is not only pvp, its just one part of this game
yes the most important part of it...
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AM- on others servers ppl, who got only one support class, amost never may find pt coz too many players use their dual box supports for exp...
you played in wrong clan...
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AMbd/se+sws/pp+th/wl from one computer and you may make really nice trains on arcane mobs or chimeras... amost the same option in cata. Double dual support and all what we need.
Then here ppl gonna use not trialbox, but 5box. And they solo xp just as on other servers... BTW 1 dualbox is allowed so bullshit.
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AMAnd about epic boss... everyone see what is happen when on all servers got tons of boss jew.
LOL where the ppl get this bullshit? noone played on other dn servers? There are a lot of boss jewels because until interlude update, the epics had 1 DAY respawn(baium, and qa still have 1,5 day respawn time), and not because of stacksub.
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AMppl shoud learn how to play on one class... if you wanna play in double classes you shoud "pay", with your time, for it
pff don't tell ppl what they should do... this is a game, not a work. BTW why do you think it's so hard to learn to play a char? It takes 1 hour to learn one... l2 isn't a complicated game... and i don't want to pay, i want to PLAY. To lvl up 2 chars is just enough "pay" to get stacksub.
Quote from: Theo on May 02, 2010, 01:05:22 AM... and max 80 lev is enouch... on this lev you may gain amost everythink, you want Protection Of Alignment or Fighter Will... obtain it on main ;)
for what? dn contains stacksub servers, ppl want to play with stacksubs, and they want to use all skills on it!
If you don't, plz leave dn, and go to l2.ru, or official, or abyss, or frintezza nonsub servers, or something... there you can use your main class only...
Quote from: disc on May 02, 2010, 01:48:49 AM
yes the most important part of it...
you played in wrong clan...
Then here ppl gonna use not trialbox, but 5box. And they solo xp just as on other servers... BTW 1 dualbox is allowed so bullshit.
LOL where the ppl get this bullshit? noone played on other dn servers? There are a lot of boss jewels because until interlude update, the epics had 1 DAY respawn(baium, and qa still have 1,5 day respawn time), and not because of stacksub.
pff don't tell ppl what they should do... this is a game, not a work. BTW why do you think it's so hard to learn to play a char? It takes 1 hour to learn one... l2 isn't a complicated game... and i don't want to pay, i want to PLAY. To lvl up 2 chars is just enough "pay" to get stacksub.
for what? dn contains stacksub servers, ppl want to play with stacksubs, and they want to use all skills on it!
If you don't, plz leave dn, and go to l2.ru, or official, or abyss, or frintezza nonsub servers, or something... there you can use your main class only...
everything what u said is correct , i can only agree with you
ppl stop sayin bullshits and just addmit that this sub system is a fail
ps : w/e now , GMs wont change it , gl with this serv guys am back to nm
Well GM said clearly that they won't change this system.
Good luck
Quote from: Vessar on May 01, 2010, 08:08:32 PM
ADMINS I come with proposition to make new official POLL about changing sub system to how it was before:
-Normal DNet subs
-No mutants
Well i think there is enough people which are disappointed of your decision.
i also believe that it isn't too late to do that because most of people didn't even pass 60lvl
Take a look how many people decide not to start playing here.
With all i heard there was suppose to be about 3000 people on start
After new features at the begging there was 500 people and only reason of so low online is that you changed subsystem.
Please think about it.
So how they can know if system is good or bad ?
You can say like "this girl is ugly" if you haven't seen her yet?
I don't love this system, but IMO it's anyway way better than previous one.
Quote from: llllllllll on May 01, 2010, 10:41:49 PM
if there was a vote i would vote Old sub system for sure with a mix with this new one , what i mean ?
with ur main + stucksub u can get everywhere u want , but No mutants and u can sub retails
if GMs add it , it will rock
Your avatar is more annoying than mine.
Why?
Quote from: Kerth on May 02, 2010, 10:27:39 PM
Your avatar is more annoying than mine.
Why?
its to balance the thing , u are more annoying then me , so i try to balance it by avatars
btw posting dable posts like this is so retard...u can't get posts ? so u spam ? in some forums u could get banned for this but in dn they will close their eyes
Rate is OK, for 3 days of normal playing (2-3 hours/day) im already lvl 50, so in 1-2 months there will be alot 74+ lvls. But the amount of people in few months that want nobless will be HUGE - it will be alot hard to get it. And i dont understand why ithere is GOLD and PLATINUM coins, pls gm answer ---- there should be only BRONZE and SILVER. B grade equip should be max with coins system, and mobs 42+ that drop silver c.
Quote from: llllllllll on May 03, 2010, 07:50:38 AM
its to balance the thing , u are more annoying then me , so i try to balance it by avatars
btw posting dable posts like this is so retard...u can't get posts ? so u spam ? in some forums u could get banned for this but in dn they will close their eyes
Don't kill me with fire ! :-\
Quote from: Kerth on May 02, 2010, 08:25:01 PM
So how they can know if system is good or bad ?
You can say like "this girl is ugly" if you haven't seen her yet?
I don't love this system, but IMO it's anyway way better than previous one.
by a picture of the girl :)
on this server the "picture" stands as the description. So we've seen the "picture" of this "girl"... if you read the description, you see that you won't able to play with stacksub, or it's just pointless.
for me rate is perfect,but this new sub system SUX alot!!! i want OLD SYSTEM
I WANNA RAPE GOLKY for my MAIN!!!
Quote from: bl3ax on May 04, 2010, 01:25:26 PM
for me rate is perfect,but this new sub system SUX alot!!! i want OLD SYSTEM
I WANNA RAPE GOLKY for my MAIN!!!
like 80% of ppl here :D