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Let me know who tired first u delete or i post it
did gm just delete all topics about vipe ? If Yes ...dude go to russia there in kgb or somthing like this is your place.
gms nabs.. make change and dont find posibles problems that can the server fell whit it.
This is the picture that is already showed in 6 new topics, and shows what? How do you know that adena isnt legit? That clan flooded giran with spam-wipte-gm idiots-retards-and so on.... So i really dont have anything more to add, we banned/banning and will ban all who did exploit as well as wiping (wiped already most of them) everything that is exploited.
However since you are all angels asking for wipe/rollback and so on, can i ask you a question why did you exploit in 1st place if you want wipe now??
Quote from: darkcore on May 08, 2010, 10:30:09 PM
This photo says ban me pls
oh come on 400~ kk isn't so much, that lvl 65 pp is selling buff for 100kk :D
Well a rollback should have been done already to the point before ur restart that caused this problem Torn.. There are no guarantees for players that all adena exploited was wiped and all items bought with that adena were deleted.. A rollback shouldnt be problem for gm's specially when u start a new server thats usually something that happens when a exploit is done!
Why wipe ? becouse:
-broken balance on server,
-to many money= to high prices
-now is no way to make fast big money (mybe manor/craft but it still nothing against that adena which they have)
-people play on server without donation for same chances, somebady tho use bug destroy that chances
-players who make mone - some of them are making troublem do difretn players (buying all ch)
-now willby no way to buy b grade or beter staff becouse somebadyt can give double price( if he have 2kkk is no problem for him)
-need few weeks/mouths to balance that adena, that is enought time to become hero, block rest from best exp places/rb
I didn't exploit but i still want a wipe.
Damage made by coin system and the last bug aren't something you can fix, you can't know for sure if the adenas made are legit or not.
And if for a GM, having 400kk on a 9x server after only one week seem normal... what can i say ?
We're not supposed to be on a 200x, we are supposed to farm to get that much adenas and not only for few days.
I can't believe you can find that normal... have you ever played on a server with such a rate ? or is it just too hard to admit that the coin system and bug fix were failures ?
Cause we don't care if you made mistake, everybody does anyway but you've got to do something about it otherwise your server will just die if you keep your actual opinion and think it's normal to have so much adenas so fast.
Torn, I appreciate the work you have done to this server. But you must understand one thing. Why are honest players have to suffer because some people used a bug, which shook the market in the game? We also want the best for the server so in this case, wipe or rollback is the best thing you can do. Now is hard to buy anything, do anything. People are moving away from the server. You have to understand us, why we want to wipe the server.I Do not want to play on the server where I am now doomed to failure.
I hope you understand this and finally rollback or wipe server. GL
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
This is the picture that is already showed in 6 new topics, and shows what? How do you know that adena isnt legit? That clan flooded giran with spam-wipte-gm idiots-retards-and so on.... So i really dont have anything more to add, we banned/banning and will ban all who did exploit as well as wiping (wiped already most of them) everything that is exploited.
However since you are all angels asking for wipe/rollback and so on, can i ask you a question why did you exploit in 1st place if you want wipe now??
So sad man Why xploiit was ur mistake put weapons on 0 adena on shop That is no a bug
i s a newbie thing of gm (noob 1)
How u can say bug if u put weapons to 0 adena is that a bug, Was ur error but u are so child for accept
Wanna see a warehouse whit 100 weapons c grade ?? if u fix it that cant exist right ?
U dont fix anithing so dont freak whit us lier
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 10:53:35 PM
I didn't exploit but i still want a wipe.
Damage made by coin system and the last bug aren't something you can fix, you can't know for sure if the adenas made are legit or not.
And if for a GM, having 400kk on a 9x server after only one week seem normal... what can i say ?
We're not supposed to be on a 200x, we are supposed to farm to get that much adenas and not only for few days.
I can't believe you can find that normal... have you ever played on a server with such a rate ? or is it just too hard to admit that the coin system and bug fix were failures ?
Cause we don't care if you made mistake, everybody does anyway but you've got to do something about it otherwise your server will just die if you keep your actual opinion and think it's normal to have so much adenas so fast.
+10...
this server was fvcked from the start whit the items QQ.. why u dont make untradeable this items? like shadows.. all server need a restart, becoz tnz to this crap the ppl dont make 2class quest.. just farm coins, change for 1 weapons, and sell it for pay the quest items.. the poins is now, that the ppl who start now, dont have the same chance that the guys who use/abuse of this problem. Now the ppl need make quest.. play w/o SSs be coz the adena that u farm lvluping.. can pay the SS that u use to do it.
The coins for S grade and A are a bullshit.. the server need a restart becoz the future of this server go to be very unbalance..
True cause i'm pretty sure you don't want to wipe because you think some people will leave the server, and sure some might.
But on the other hand, if you don't do anything, many people will leave too because they don't want to waste their time on a server which is likely to die soon or later because of the damage inflicted by coin system/bug.
In which case, wouldn't it be better to start from scratch with a server corrected from the mistakes did this week ?
Which mean, if you want to keep your coin system, to make it so weapon/armor can't be sold or crystallized, then obviously up a little adena rate cause x3 is too low for a 9x server.
And i would advice to remove A/S from coin system, as i said in another post, those should only be get through farming and craft.
After keep an eye on l2w like you already do and everything should be fine.
One week isn't much to loose to have a great server afterward. Because your server looked promising but if you keep it like that, it isn't anymore.
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
True cause i'm pretty sure you don't want to wipe because you think some people will leave the server, and sure some might.
But on the other hand, if you don't do anything, many people will leave too because they don't want to waste their time on a server which is likely to die soon or later because of the damage inflicted by coin system/bug.
In which case, wouldn't it be better to start from scratch with a server corrected from the mistakes did this week ?
Which mean, if you want to keep your coin system, to make it so weapon/armor can't be sold or crystallized, then obviously up a little adena rate cause x3 is too low for a 9x server.
And i would advice to remove A/S from coin system, as i said in another post, those should only be get through farming and craft.
After keep an eye on l2w like you already do and everything should be fine.
One week isn't much to loose to have a great server afterward. Because your server looked promising but if you keep it like that, it isn't anymore.
I agree with u. Wipe is good as soon as possible. 1 week isnt to much to lose, but in 2 weeks time server will be crushed. And then will be to late for wipe...
Quote from: Kazuki on May 08, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
True cause i'm pretty sure you don't want to wipe because you think some people will leave the server, and sure some might.
But on the other hand, if you don't do anything, many people will leave too because they don't want to waste their time on a server which is likely to die soon or later because of the damage inflicted by coin system/bug.
In which case, wouldn't it be better to start from scratch with a server corrected from the mistakes did this week ?
Which mean, if you want to keep your coin system, to make it so weapon/armor can't be sold or crystallized, then obviously up a little adena rate cause x3 is too low for a 9x server.
And i would advice to remove A/S from coin system, as i said in another post, those should only be get through farming and craft.
After keep an eye on l2w like you already do and everything should be fine.
One week isn't much to loose to have a great server afterward. Because your server looked promising but if you keep it like that, it isn't anymore.
+1 but GMs just dont care. It was ONLY a week its not big deal to make wipe now
Its waste time try to talk whit torn cauze he dont enough mature for understand and accep his fatal error whit price of weapons on aden shop on 0 aden and armors too
Many ppl make posts about wipe but our dear gm torn whit his hittler style think is better delete it and no make a real fix.
The only salvation for this server is a WIPE and fresh restart whit no couins sistem.
Quote from: vecktor on May 08, 2010, 11:09:57 PM
So sad man Why xploiit was ur mistake put weapons on 0 adena on shop That is no a bug
i s a newbie thing of gm (noob 1)
How u can say bug if u put weapons to 0 adena is that a bug, Was ur error but u are so child for accept
Wanna see a warehouse whit 100 weapons c grade ?? if u fix it that cant exist right ?
U dont fix anithing so dont freak whit us lier
+1 we dont use a bug... bug is a error of the game.. and weapond 0 adena is a change that u make. We dont use a "bug" to dont pay this weapons... now u are trying to find all adena/items that ppla make/buy whit a error that u maka.. is not ur foul, its urs..
Quote from: magnetix on May 08, 2010, 11:06:49 PM
Torn, I appreciate the work you have done to this server. But you must understand one thing. Why are honest players have to suffer because some people used a bug, which shook the market in the game? We also want the best for the server so in this case, wipe or rollback is the best thing you can do. Now is hard to buy anything, do anything. People are moving away from the server. You have to understand us, why we want to wipe the server.I Do not want to play on the server where I am now doomed to failure.
I hope you understand this and finally rollback or wipe server. GL
like him say.. and others show in photos.. honestly ppl show this error to try to show u UR error... some guys pm u and we tell u.. "man look this error" and u dont do anythink. and now u call us bad users? bad uses are the guy who have alot of weapons/crys/money in urs chars, or WH tnx to this exploit.. and dont report it!
U cant say that we have the faul of all of this.. be coz we report this bug, and we take photos, and show u evidence of this.
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
This is the picture that is already showed in 6 new topics, and shows what? How do you know that adena isnt legit? That clan flooded giran with spam-wipte-gm idiots-retards-and so on.... So i really dont have anything more to add, we banned/banning and will ban all who did exploit as well as wiping (wiped already most of them) everything that is exploited.
However since you are all angels asking for wipe/rollback and so on, can i ask you a question why did you exploit in 1st place if you want wipe now??
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How u can call this a bug if u put that price OMG i want to hear u say was my fu cken error so i need to give wipe
If you wipe u kill the server, players will never trust that gm won't wipe again and waste our time! Rollback to yesterday b4 the exploit so we can start playing again!
You dumb or some sh1t p1ng? Exploit was just "given" to public yesterday but it was used even before clan hall bids. So stop QQing about 1 week of playing and let them WIPE in peace.
Quote from: p1nG on May 08, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
If you wipe u kill the server, players will never trust that gm won't wipe again and waste our time! Rollback to yesterday b4 the exploit so we can start playing again!
+1 this is the right way +1
Quote from: p1nG on May 08, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
If you wipe u kill the server, players will never trust that gm won't wipe again and waste our time! Rollback to yesterday b4 the exploit so we can start playing again!
but what about the money, quest items of class chaged buyed whit this money, and other shits that ppl make whit farmed coins? nothing? the ppl who start now, dont have weapons to sell and buy the quest items for second chass change.. and clanhalss buyed whit this same money what? 1 clan have 3 clanhalls... nd 1 clan ofert 150kk and lost!! omg... 150kk and lost?? u know in a server 3x of adena drop what is 150kk? a fvking exploit/bug!! but not here... here gms call it "comon sense"
Quote from: SplichO on May 08, 2010, 11:36:14 PM
You dumb or some sh1t p1ng? Exploit was just "given" to public yesterday but it was used even before clan hall bids. So stop QQing about 1 week of playing and let them WIPE in peace.
CH was binding whit money of weaposn questcoin.. not whit farmed money or money that come from items selled.. same like 2nd class change. this server need a roll back to 0, if u want the server that GMs think have for a lot time.. is just 3 weeks, and we go to start whit the same opportunity.
Quote from: p1nG on May 08, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
If you wipe u kill the server, players will never trust that gm won't wipe again and waste our time! Rollback to yesterday b4 the exploit so we can start playing again!
Well if he wants to be trusted, he should first show more consideration into players, it's not just one or two whom complaining it's a whole bunch and many certainly agree but don't bother coming on the forum.
And a wipe after one week isn't such a big deal and would really fix the server cause the last "bug" isn't the only thing that messed up the server, coin system too allowed some player to make a lot of adenas that GM seems to find legit and normal.
How can it be normal to have 400kk or more in such a short time ? some player even have more than 1kkk only with coin system exploit.
I would trust more a GMs whom admit his mistakes and correct them than one that just ignore what players say.
The server would be just so great with just a wipe and few correction to coin system and adenas rate... would really be bad if it stay like this.
+1 fresh start or AT LEAST rollback.. i rly cant believe this situation U fuked server GMs now assume the responsability insted of banning ppl that buyed weapons for 0 adena that you put in shops or picked up items.. ofc lots of ppl will buy them and sever will go out of control.. In my case i picked up adena from a Dwarve that was shouting free adena at giran.. then he explained me the bug.. i tested it.. and never doubt about a roll back so i just have some fun.. but when i saw you didnt rollback i was the 1st to show i had all this gold and items.. and you didnt do anything about it..
Quote from: SplichO on May 08, 2010, 11:36:14 PM
You dumb or some sh1t p1ng? Exploit was just "given" to public yesterday but it was used even before clan hall bids. So stop QQing about 1 week of playing and let them WIPE in peace.
well i am preety supprised some smart asses tell shits if they know totally nothink... rly smartass before u write shits take some info... becouse ur faking posts only makeing confused other ppl...
yday i was in this shop around 20 o clock and weapons were costing normal price... price got shitty after server down at 1 o clock at night.... clan hall were bought before this bug...
Quote from: SplichO on May 08, 2010, 11:36:14 PM
You dumb or some sh1t p1ng? Exploit was just "given" to public yesterday but it was used even before clan hall bids. So stop QQing about 1 week of playing and let them WIPE in peace.
Consider this server is not been annouced to start as Beta.
For that we know that bug its started yday night after server reboot and not before as u saying.
If its true that adena bug was before CH bids then the thing its different,u might have half rights, if it isnt like that, this mean you are just shouting craps for personal business like, you want wipe by all means just to have a chance to get a CH.
About this stuff GMs are pushing the players patience not telling what they are considering to do on any advice wrote on this topic, a quick aswer its required asap, our ppl dont wanna keep playing till we dont know the last GM's choice to solve this issue, or if they will leave the situation like this, keeping weekend shop and stuff as final solution.
If you couldnt get enought adena for Clan Hall in time it's your and yours clan problem. Now you are becoiming next person which want to get adavantage for ur self by "bug" and wipe. Its should be rollbacked to moment when bug existed
Quote from: SplichO on May 08, 2010, 11:36:14 PM
You dumb or some sh1t p1ng? Exploit was just "given" to public yesterday but it was used even before clan hall bids. So stop QQing about 1 week of playing and let them WIPE in peace.
hows on RPG 5x?
Quote from: Torn on May 08, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
This is the picture that is already showed in 6 new topics, and shows what? How do you know that adena isnt legit? That clan flooded giran with spam-wipte-gm idiots-retards-and so on.... So i really dont have anything more to add, we banned/banning and will ban all who did exploit as well as wiping (wiped already most of them) everything that is exploited.
However since you are all angels asking for wipe/rollback and so on, can i ask you a question why did you exploit in 1st place if you want wipe now??
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Hahahaha clown so why u ban our char right now if u dont know that aboput adena
We was honest whi u show u our adena how many ppl don say nothing a lil tip if u put 2000kk on bid of the clan halls u cant detected clown put atention plz, maybe u can learn something from me.
hahaahahahahhahaahhha hahhahah hahahhahah hahahhaha hahahhah ahhahah ROFL LOLD ROFL
AND ALLMIGHTY VALKYRIA HAS FAILED LOLZ
Quote from: TifaPL on May 09, 2010, 12:04:18 AM
If you couldnt get enought adena for Clan Hall in time it's your and yours clan problem. Now you are becoiming next person which want to get adavantage for ur self by "bug" and wipe. Its should be rollbacked to moment when bug existed
this momment is the same day of the server start whit weapons for coins tradeables.. 99% of the server pay ur first and second class whit this wepons.. CH was binding whit this weapons.. the most amount of SSs that ppl sell in town the ppl pay it, whit this weapons..
the server need a fresh start.. and whit coins if u want but not tradeables, and aviables to sell it, in stores, and make crys whit it..
in 1 hours i farm whit a char lvl 16 and in party whit 1 56... 2,5k of bronce coins.. but I alone... imagine 1 full clan doing it.. amazyng amount of adena right?
whit 400 coins u get 1 staf of life.. in store 900k.. but if u get 2 sword of revo.. and make duals whit it, are 1,1k of C crys.. u can sell it to the ppl in 3,3k like cheap.. and hou much u get? arround 4kk... whit the 2,5k of coins i get 6 sword of revo.. so.. 3 duals.. so, 3 duals = arrund 15kk... in 1 hour of "work" in 1 server 3x of adena is normal? wow...