I know that this subject has been brought in but nevertheless, Im mentioning it again. Well then, having done my support, my spoiler, and some items I have decided to make my beloved character, the HawkEye. Moving on, I got mj light SET, bop +qr, +4str -con, 2x monk tatoo, intaken potion for power atk, blue talisman - atk power, buffed by my prophet 75 and with all the dances. I got 69lvl and pvped with an Sps who is around my lvl ( I talked with him 2 days earlier and he was 66) in DC + sov only buffed by his SE and the thing that even not made me angry but made my day (I laughed heavily believe me:D) I hit him critically for 345 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So, there goes my question, when there have been similar topics before, and having in mind that archer is one of the most frequently played characters, why the fooook havent you fixed archer's damage? Are you intending to have archersless server ? you are on the best way to have it ;F
I'd like to have an answer from Gms not retarded kiddo, plz do not flame and write any sh1t here, regards for all
sps/sws or /tk mby ;D
Quote from: Neozinhu on June 24, 2010, 05:46:35 AM
sps/sws or /tk mby ;D
Only If he is delevel his char :P
When sub you keep your hight level and btw you atack him with B-grade weapon on his A-grade set. Just keep raising till you hit with S-grade bow on that DC-Robe set :P
I met him as bishop on ancient battleground 1 week ago so it is definitely not sps/tk or anything like that. Furthermore, you suggest that its B weap on A grade armor, yeah right, if it had been 600 dmg I would have understood, but 345 is just hilarious and I strongly believe that archer is fooked up. How can I win a nooker if he/she has better def than I have ? :D ahahaha it still makes my day I cant stop laughing guyz :D it is rly fooked up !!!
WAITING FOR GM's ANSWER
When u get elemental protection and water resist he will hit u like 150-200
mby u use dance for mages ;)...
now seriusly learn how to pvp vs mage and all will be fine
Quote from: Protector on June 24, 2010, 09:01:36 AM
mby u use dance for mages ;)...
now seriusly learn how to pvp vs mage and all will be fine
I mentioned above, no kiddo replies and retarted answers
STILL WAITING FOR GM's ANSWER
in lineage pvp doesn't evolve arround ~70 and BOP anymore .
yesterday i had pvp with probably he/pal and sorc/?? . he was hitting me for 150 (i had dc set and shield buff, im 69 lv), and i was hitting him for 350. ofc sorc killed me in 3 hits (1,8k 2,5k hits). well, mages rules that server, u cant do anything.
Quote from: jailaa on June 24, 2010, 09:19:53 AM
in lineage pvp doesn't evolve arround ~70 and BOP anymore .
I have always considered you to be the smart one but your answer is retarded also LOL, have you ever played l2 whatsoever ? have you had pvp ? lol of lols, its not the first topic bringing in this subject.. not only me complained about the dmg of archers, anyhow i can see that nothing can be done, disappointing....
buff up properly, and see the difference.
last mass pvp with excidium, fullbuffed pt mages vs fulbuffed pt archers. voretx hits = 24 (!) -100 max. funny thing goes on when both parties use UD ;D loldmg rulz ;)
anyway, archer pvp dmg is very nerfed here. draco focu, aq, might, zerk, gm3, patk pots, 2 x empowered ogre tatos and i hit karmian boy (without sub) for 900, just lol ;) edit: fogrot death weishper 3 ofc ;)
We didn't want anyone to know this until we have the correct numbers in terms of damage, but Torn did consider a redo of pvp damage. However this requires a LOT of testing as we don't want to just set random % of + or - damage.
I am a little busy IRL for the next week so I doubt it will be done sooner than in 2 weeks but we are considering a full redo of the +, - in % of physical skills, physical attack, magical skills. We'll try to match it as much as possible to official numbers.
Yes Nietrezezwy it's true, I have not pvp'ed at low lvl for a LOOOOOONG time, it's been probably 3-4 years so I can't say if the damage is correct or not.
From personal experience:
HE lvl 80 full s-grade + aq/baium should be hitting ~1.5 - 2k damage crits on full s-grade mage ( all considering full buffs ofc). And a nuker should be doing 700-1k normal damage to 2.5-3k crits at 20% m crit rate on full buffs. Of course these numbers are not accurate, it's just an estimate. Getting all the damage correct is not something easy, considering we have DN subs where you have nukers with deflect arrow and archers with passive mdef, it's not something easy to do and someone will always think they're not doing enough damage or someone is doing too much damage to them.
To an already bad pvp system element stones were added who made things even MORE complicated. Yes, it's work in progress, with little time from the GM's to do this.
http://www.l2calc.co.nr/ here it is ... setup a HE lvl 80 DB+f, Drac Light, full buffs ... combat calculations vs clone, without boss jwlry
Damage dealt in 1379 pdef from a HE with 3333 patk ( full buffs) no boss jewelry
337-372 normal hit and 1847-2041 critical ( this is without chant of protection, nukers with deflect arrow etc) ... add AQ + Baium = 2441-2699
Ok this damage is a little too much and it's before the "fix" to dw,chant of fire and other crit power buffs who had a small nerf
first try yourself and then come with wannabe smart replies, guys.
Just now tested:
char:
HE 78lvl with Draconic Bow + DC light - PP buffs(no POF) about 3,5k ptk
test target: PP 77 in devotion set - 330 PDEF !!!! - buff set: acumen,ww,zerk,shield, gr.shield
normal hits 200-250dmg
critical hits 500-600dmg
problem is, EVERY single hit had shield success ..even from BACK :) ..PP had no shield buffs btw
shield off:
normal hits: 400-500
critical hits: 1000+
well still not so much into devotion :p
Quote from: Phate on June 24, 2010, 09:55:42 AM
first try yourself and then come with wannabe smart replies, guys.
Just now tested:
char:
HE 78lvl with Draconic Bow + DC light - PP buffs(no POF) about 3,5k ptk
test target: PP 77 in devotion set - 330 PDEF !!!! - buff set: acumen,ww,zerk,shield, gr.shield
normal hits 200-250dmg
critical hits 500-600dmg
problem is, EVERY single hit had shield success ..even from BACK :) ..PP had no shield buffs btw
shield off:
normal hits: 400-500
critical hits: 1000+
well still not so much into devotion :p
WTB Devotion set +6, pm mi plix :D
Quote from: jailaa on June 24, 2010, 09:47:59 AM
We didn't want anyone to know this until we have the correct numbers in terms of damage, but Torn did consider a redo of pvp damage. However this requires a LOT of testing as we don't want to just set random % of + or - damage.
I am a little busy IRL for the next week so I doubt it will be done sooner than in 2 weeks but we are considering a full redo of the +, - in % of physical skills, physical attack, magical skills. We'll try to match it as much as possible to official numbers.
Yes Nietrezezwy it's true, I have not pvp'ed at low lvl for a LOOOOOONG time, it's been probably 3-4 years so I can't say if the damage is correct or not.
From personal experience:
HE lvl 80 full s-grade + aq/baium should be hitting ~1.5 - 2k damage crits on full s-grade mage ( all considering full buffs ofc). And a nuker should be doing 700-1k normal damage to 2.5-3k crits at 20% m crit rate on full buffs. Of course these numbers are not accurate, it's just an estimate. Getting all the damage correct is not something easy, considering we have DN subs where you have nukers with deflect arrow and archers with passive mdef, it's not something easy to do and someone will always think they're not doing enough damage or someone is doing too much damage to them.
To an already bad pvp system element stones were added who made things even MORE complicated. Yes, it's work in progress, with little time from the GM's to do this.
http://www.l2calc.co.nr/ here it is ... setup a HE lvl 80 DB+f, Drac Light, full buffs ... combat calculations vs clone, without boss jwlry
Damage dealt in 1379 pdef from a HE with 3333 patk ( full buffs) no boss jewelry
337-372 normal hit and 1847-2041 critical ( this is without chant of protection, nukers with deflect arrow etc) ... add AQ + Baium = 2441-2699
Ok this damage is a little too much and it's before the "fix" to dw,chant of fire and other crit power buffs who had a small nerf
Maybe u could consider also adding 3rd buff line for dances/songs. When ppl will get attributes, dmg will become much bigger and they wont have space for songs/dances against attr. I know how to buff myself with only 2 buff lines but dont forget that here u have substack system so u have twice more selffbuffs, toggles and ofc DN potions. I can easily overbuff myself with 3 buff lines (only with usefull stuff) so why I need to pick up only few ?
Why it cant be like on normal server ?
to jailla -
well everyone who played on other servers knew u made here some custom dmg reduction in pvp. It was pretty obvious.
As it seems for me this dmg reduction affects only normal hits, NOT skills. That why mages hit so hard and for bow user its almost impossible to winn vs mage on equal buffs, lvl and gear. Here comes my question to admins - is it true or no?
Just look how almost all here play mages, exept de/ty. To be true, this server has some true problems, but i like it anyway. Mostly bc of ppl like Phatee, etc...
What i wanted to say, pls consider your dmg reduction in pvp and try to balance it. Would be great if we will have some fighter playing and sometimes even winning pvp.
And last this is not cry post, its just my point of view and after all those years of playing and many experience from others Hellbound servers i see the diference.
Anyway its on you guys admins, owners if u want have better server or u think its ok as it is.
ps : Pls ppl who want make smart answer like, learn to buff, buy better gear, use protections, .... spare your time. All those things Phatee knows and to be honest much better then wannabe smart mages in this topic ever will know.
mage damage is weird too, i have a mage ingame with a som+a, i was buffed with empower / dances + propechy of water, fighting vs another mage with prophet buffs i was doing 150 damage on hurricane. dunno what resists he had or w/e but that's not normal .. 143 damage is NOT normal, you heal 150+ with battle heal :)
Quote from: jailaa on June 24, 2010, 11:42:37 AM
mage damage is weird too, i have a mage ingame with a som+a, i was buffed with empower / dances + propechy of water, fighting vs another mage with prophet buffs i was doing 150 damage on hurricane. dunno what resists he had or w/e but that's not normal .. 143 damage is NOT normal, you heal 150+ with battle heal :)
weird things here -
1 sps tanking golkonda (even if he is mage/tank, he is in robe )
2 archer hitting Golkonda for same dmg as when he hitted mage (do mages have pdef like Golkonda or wtf)
3 when i subbed to sps for funn i went to cata 40 lvl and had whole room on me. Survived easily and killed whole room at once faster then destro on same lvl.
i think there is too much love for mages here :P
Quote from: flagur on June 24, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
weird things here -
1 sps tanking golkonda (even if he is mage/tank, he is in robe )
2 archer hitting Golkonda for same dmg as when he hitted mage (do mages have pdef like Golkonda or wtf)
3 when i subbed to sps for funn i went to cata 40 lvl and had whole room on me. Survived easily and killed whole room at once faster then destro on same lvl.
i think there is too much love for mages here :P
there is no "love" for mage. neither torn or descent play here, I am only a jailer and personally i prefer archers / dagger as playstyle too. consider me as just a player. it's just that some of the changes made on DN for a while now have been made regarding to TOP tier pvp ( dynasty / icarus etc).
Unfortunately some of these changes got to valkyrie: changes to archers were made on NM / Dragon where icarus bows + normal attack speed were present. That fix for balance affected lower lvl damage: for archers with DB vs mages with dc set.
nietrzezwy, +1 to your topic.
I am not playing an archer, but I can tell that warrior classes got really nerfed power attack (don't mean stats, but the dmg itself). Jailaa said that Admins will try to re set the dmg to its original numbers, and hopefully we will have it very soon.
For now every damage is strange, and even though we have a substack system I strongly believe that reseting the dmg to original (like on retail servers) would be best for all.
cheers.
p.s. Ive got dagger class on my sub
also we are taking into consideration raid boss fix:
reflect phyisical melee - 90%
return to normal + 10% pdef/mdef/boost --- remember guys you still have dnsubs here so ..
and if that's not enough to stop ty/de to solo farm them we'll add more
don't come crying about other melee classes .. there are 3 more that can attend raids: daggers / ty + glad .. daggers do better damge with physical skills that do not reflect and i think we can go past the ty/glads damage, they don't bring much raid damage with normal skills anyway .. and they can always rely on boosted skills for damage.
wtb more nerf and bigger sh1t ::)
In my eyes the only thing that's miscalculated with mages are the attribute system.
I mean howmany more dmg does surrender do? and howmuch does seed of fire/water/wind increase? and freakin much does vortex do... not to mention that i havent seen vortex sludge/buster yet.
Dont reply with take the right resistance buffs and so on cause i know its a huge difference. But still ask urself why does like 80% of the server plays a mage? because its not OP or something?. Srsly i dislike playing a mage but i'm like 'afraid' making a tank since i got a feeling it'll die just as fast as any other class with m def passives...
Hope they'll figure something out...
I am not in disagreement with you Fade. Most people made nukers because they are so easy to level even with c-grade armor and b-grade weapon compared to an archer / dagger or what else.
Quote from: jailaa on June 24, 2010, 03:35:30 PM
I am not in disagreement with you Fade. Most people made nukers because they are so easy to level even with c-grade armor and b-grade weapon compared to an archer / dagger or what else.
yes and those ppl who made archer they thought they'll be better if they'll have equips...but as u see they r still sh1t with good equips....So u made a rly nice mage server....gg
just for those "smart" guys who made this "nerf":
My friend came to colisseum he take off his armor, i had only haste focus deathwisper buffs(these infos just to understand my damages)
I'm in tallum h. and atm have a carnage bow. Stun shot:3,1k damage, CRITICAL HIT:1,3k(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) damage. This is ur "nerf to balance the server". This is not balance this is killing one part of the game.
About "icarus fighters in other server": I was playing on Infinity for long time. Icarus was uberpwnzor weapon but i COULD kill an archer with icarus bow in APELLA robe set and with an AM+A+4(!). It wasn't so easy but i COULD. In Valkyria i CAN'T kill mages in DC robe set bcuz of UR nerf! so GG
If this nerf was because of the icarus weapons, then it wasn't a smart move to make.
Icarus is the best weapon, so you should be a pwnzor while wielding it. And remember that it isn't so easy to get this weapon : )
Quote from: Protector on June 24, 2010, 09:01:36 AM
mby u use dance for mages ;)...
now seriusly learn how to pvp vs mage and all will be fine
look up man all the topic and plz do apologize for saying those words. Everyone can see that u loled urself heh. Ty all for honest replies, Im looking forvard to seeing changes, the sooner the better, regards for all !
another thing i dont understand. It's obvious that all peepz that are playing mages find it fine as it is now doing many damage and all. But what i dont get it what's the fun in it for them? wont take long before u'll pvpin vs mages mostly?
Will take few weeks/months till everyone has the stronger sub of the mages. Then it almost only depends on equipment who's better then the other mage... wich means donators and no-lifers have the adventage.
Looking foward seeying any slightest changes so i can play the class i want (guessing more people would have the same feelin as me).
+1 som1 open eyes here
Quote from: jailaa on June 24, 2010, 09:47:59 AM
I am a little busy IRL for the next week so
So BOTS ON ;D