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Title: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: djvancho on July 03, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
PLS FIX MANA BURN  ON OLY SKILL DONT WORK PP CANT KILL NOBODY WHEN HE USE SKILL ON ME SKIL DONT WORK OR TAKE ONLY 50 MANA
 

PLS SEE WHAT YOU CAN DOO
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: CTEBAH on July 03, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: djvancho on July 03, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
PLS FIX MANA BURN  ON OLY SKILL DONT WORK PP CANT KILL NOBODY WHEN HE USE SKILL ON ME SKIL DONT WORK OR TAKE ONLY 50 MANA
 

PLS SEE WHAT YOU CAN DOO


QQ
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: zippobg on July 03, 2010, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: CTEBAH on July 03, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
QQ
QQ ?
Poor kids when something don't work correctly and we want FIX you write we cry?
Seems your inteligence only able to write such a things.
It's really funny that BP vs PP both use mana burn and both chars are on full mana :)
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: k0dex on July 04, 2010, 09:52:48 AM
CTEBAH 3k posts "QQ" ?
+1 for mana burn issue
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: MrYoOcker on July 07, 2010, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: zippobg on July 03, 2010, 11:42:17 PM
QQ ?
Poor kids when something don't work correctly and we want FIX you write we cry?
Seems your inteligence only able to write such a things.
It's really funny that BP vs PP both use mana burn and both chars are on full mana :)
true
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: zippobg on July 20, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
B u M p
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: k0dex on July 20, 2010, 12:16:23 PM
bump also strat to fix something!!!!
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: ChujoZord on July 20, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
blah blah blah
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: Gumis on July 20, 2010, 01:56:42 PM
Bump coz mana burn is a joke atm ;/
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: k0dex on July 20, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
It was fixed bcos on oly stacksubbed chars was undefeated bcos of mana burn. on valky we have retail oly so I dont see any other way to win fight then burn oponent...
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: zippobg on July 21, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 20, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
it was enrfed because after 3-4 mana burn opponent didnt had any mp

find other ways to win
Bp/PP/Se are not nukers or fighters you can't understand that?
If your another way is to use feed by other players than just can only write same like Stefan "QQ"
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: Galandril on July 22, 2010, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 20, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
it was enrfed because after 3-4 mana burn opponent didnt had any mp

find other ways to win

And now u can't even burn 1/4 mp...
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: zippobg on July 23, 2010, 07:44:32 AM
Quote from: Galandril on July 22, 2010, 01:45:02 PM
And now u can't even burn 1/4 mp...
B u M p.
Make oly more balanced ...
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: k0dex on July 25, 2010, 02:38:22 AM
bump.
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: DarkVengeance on July 25, 2010, 02:43:30 AM
Quote from: zippobg on July 03, 2010, 11:42:17 PM
QQ ?
Poor kids when something don't work correctly and we want FIX you write we cry?
Seems your inteligence only able to write such a things.
It's really funny that BP vs PP both use mana burn and both chars are on full mana :)

Our "beloved" topic writer, wrote it with caps lock and really looks like he's crying ... yeah it's not working as it should, cooldown is huge and the amount of mp it sucks down is really low.
And it's Stevan ... not Stefan.
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: Finisterre on July 25, 2010, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: jaroPC_x15 on July 20, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
it was enrfed because after 3-4 mana burn opponent didnt had any mp

find other ways to win
Before that fix, mana burn in DN was stronger than official (coz of wrong modifier in formula for mana damage). And also that ain't a good reason to make a skill useless.

Max mp affects to mana damage (more max mp, more damage. lesser max mp, lesser mana damage.) so it's not that hard to find a balance.
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: HouseIND on July 26, 2010, 02:52:55 AM
Well I think the problem is , if we fix mana burn for healers ...oly is going to be good for them .Issue starts when we come to stack sub , when a healer can max out and have only 1.5k matk or so , a Mage like screamer is gonna have 6-7k matk easily , if it's gonna be the same amount of drain like a healer does , SH/se will drain full mana in 1-2 burns .solution maybe block the skill for healers/buffers who go /Mage. I don't know any other solution   ;D , so if anyone thinks of something good please post it .
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: HouseIND on July 26, 2010, 07:34:15 AM
Hmm just thought of another solution , maybe we can cap the maximum amount mana burned ?  I don't know if all this is possible , just giving out logistics .
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: Finisterre on July 26, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
When a storm screamer can have 7k m.atk, even a non-subbed eva's saint can have 3k m.atk with same equip/buffs.

And calculation of magic damage is a bit different from physical. To deal x2 damage, you need x4 m.atk (if you have x2 m.atk, you make approx x1.4 damage). So a storm screamer/ss with 7k m.atk hits around x1.5 harder than a simple eva's saint with 3k m.atk BUT with approx x0.8 casting speed. (20% higher DPS but with +35% mp consumption)

After all, if a class would be doing proper magic damage, everything should be ok with other classes as well.

Quote from: HouseIND on July 26, 2010, 07:34:15 AM
Hmm just thought of another solution , maybe we can cap the maximum amount mana burned ?  I don't know if all this is possible , just giving out logistics .
Not a good solution. D.elves have higher m.atk but slower casting. Elves have lower m.atk but faster casting. Human have normal status. If you limit max damage, you must adjust re-casting delay or casting speed.
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: TheLox on July 26, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
NEXT TIME WHEN YOU WRITE WITH CAPITALS ON TITLE, I'LL SIMPLY DELETE THREAD.
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: trooperXkoki on July 26, 2010, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: TheLox on July 26, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
NEXT TIME WHEN YOU WRITE WITH CAPITALS ON TITLE, I'LL SIMPLY DELETE THREAD.
TOOOOOOO LOXXXX xaxaxaxa, kick those kids  ;)
Title: Re: GMS PL'S FIX MANA BURN SKILL I THINK MANA BURN DONT WORK
Post by: HouseIND on July 27, 2010, 02:49:13 AM
Quote from: Finisterre on July 26, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
When a storm screamer can have 7k m.atk, even a non-subbed eva's saint can have 3k m.atk with same equip/buffs.

And calculation of magic damage is a bit different from physical. To deal x2 damage, you need x4 m.atk (if you have x2 m.atk, you make approx x1.4 damage). So a storm screamer/ss with 7k m.atk hits around x1.5 harder than a simple eva's saint with 3k m.atk BUT with approx x0.8 casting speed. (20% higher DPS but with +35% mp consumption)

After all, if a class would be doing proper magic damage, everything should be ok with other classes as well.
Not a good solution. D.elves have higher m.atk but slower casting. Elves have lower m.atk but faster casting. Human have normal status. If you limit max damage, you must adjust re-casting delay or casting speed.
Thanks for the technical info , if this how it works in DN also , then I think it should be fixed asap ;) . Nobody knows DN formulas :p
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on July 27, 2010, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: TheLox on July 26, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
NEXT TIME WHEN YOU WRITE WITH CAPITALS ON TITLE, I'LL SIMPLY DELETE THREAD.
XaXaXa. After 3 months you saw this treat Good JOB!!!

Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: HouseIND on July 28, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
bump.No GM response for past few posts , really bad
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on July 29, 2010, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: HouseIND on July 28, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
bump.No GM response for past few posts , really bad
They didn't respond in this topic.
Date of create of that topic is «  on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm ».

B u M p
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: HouseIND on August 02, 2010, 11:11:48 PM
bumo , need a reply
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: k0dex on August 03, 2010, 12:35:45 AM
bump
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: Finisterre on August 03, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
This formula is approximate for mana damage to player character.

Skill power*SQRT(M.atk*SpS bonus)*Max MP/M.Def/310(*PvP damage bonus?) = Mana damage


70% less damage than official ;D
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: HouseIND on August 08, 2010, 08:01:51 AM
bump
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on August 18, 2010, 08:34:11 AM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: k0dex on August 18, 2010, 02:45:26 PM
dude this server is dead bcos of admins...
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on August 18, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: k0dex on August 18, 2010, 02:45:26 PM
dude this server is dead bcos of admins...
Sad, but true ...
I don't play now because of summer, but I still try do up this dead topic :P
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: k0dex on August 19, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
well I didnt play on shadow but what I heard +16 donated items server can be good, its pathetic, sorry ;)
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on August 26, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: niD on August 28, 2010, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: djvancho on July 03, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
PLS FIX MANA BURN  ON OLY SKILL DONT WORK PP CANT KILL NOBODY WHEN HE USE SKILL ON ME SKIL DONT WORK OR TAKE ONLY 50 MANA
 

PLS SEE WHAT YOU CAN DOO

torn this retard gm cant fix nothing? xD
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: GlasyTheTard on August 28, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: niD on August 28, 2010, 05:05:52 PM
torn this retard gm cant fix nothing? xD
Ah maybe we should call Glasy to help us fix things?
Seriously man ROTFLMAO!!!!
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: niD on August 30, 2010, 05:21:24 AM
Quote from: GlasyTheTard on August 28, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Ah maybe we should call Glasy to help us fix things?
Seriously man ROTFLMAO!!!!
nice name glasy fan xDDDDDD

P.D: yeah call to glasy =DDDDDDD
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on September 02, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: zippobg on August 26, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p

Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on September 07, 2010, 07:19:17 AM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: 123SELLER on September 07, 2010, 07:47:18 AM

Quote from: djvancho on July 03, 2010, 06:44:54 PM

 
Yes, fix mana burn skill.
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on September 10, 2010, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: zippobg on August 26, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p

Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: zippobg on September 23, 2010, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: zippobg on August 26, 2010, 03:17:52 PM
From  « on: July 03, 2010, 05:44:54 pm »  till now ... nothing ...

B u M p

Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: Descent on September 25, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Mana Burn works slightly different from now on, land rate had increased but the value of mana burnt has changed from a set value to a percentage value based on your remaining MP.
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: Finisterre on September 26, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Descent on September 25, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Mana Burn works slightly different from now on, land rate had increased but the value of mana burnt has changed from a set value to a percentage value based on your remaining MP.
Just checked mana damage now (17:20 gmt+1) and it's working exactly same like before but
it sounds interesting. :D
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: nolimits on September 26, 2010, 06:30:54 PM
actualy its is nonsence... it shouldnt be % from remaining mana but from max mana. because this way you cant burn someone "dry" which is main oly strategy for all mana burners.

just example:
if you set 5% burn from remaining mana and at begining opponent have 2k, what will happen?
you will burn for: 100 - 95 - 90,5 - 85,725 - lower - lower - lower - so at end when opponent will have about 200 mana you will burn for 10mp.
so again. manaburn sux...

chars with lower mana cost for skill will live easy only on mana regen. (at least at oly)
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: ChillyWilly on September 26, 2010, 06:49:05 PM
hmmm... actually, it says it's based on YOUR remaining mana, not your TARGET's remaining mana.

of course, these guys don't have the greatest command of English, so who knows WHAT they were TRYING to say...
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: Finisterre on September 26, 2010, 07:51:20 PM
I thought damage reduction rate(atm, it's approx -70% from official) was reduced and a percentage value of the target's remaining mp applied to the damage. (f.e. at full mp, full damage. at half mp, half damage)

I checked both case changing remaining MP on caster and target but it had nothing with the mana damage.

P.S.
sorry about lost tickets :(
Title: Re: Fix mana burn skill, please
Post by: nolimits on September 27, 2010, 07:51:09 AM
Quote from: Finisterre on September 26, 2010, 07:51:20 PM
P.S.
sorry about lost tickets :(

thank you for your condolences  :P
anyway i dont regret them too much, but im really pissed of that someone who is responsible for this is claiming that everything is OK even when its obvious it is not...