I have SPS->retailed to NE and like to make a sub on NE, but dont know which to choose. Any advices? :)
Quote from: omax15 on July 14, 2010, 12:46:30 PM
I have SPS->retailed to NE and like to make a sub on NE, but dont know which to choose. Any advices? :)
sps/ne
tpain
cancel , bane, gloom, surender, vortex, solar = gg
Ne/Es TP,Arcana Agility/Mp recharge from summon
Quote from: alfy on July 14, 2010, 04:13:11 PM
Ne/Es TP,Arcana Agility/Mp recharge from summon
TP sucks,ur summon dies un 1/2 shots.
A.Agility+A.Power? That's a waste of mana.
How can u recharge from summon if it dies in 0,
Make NE/EE...
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
TP sucks,ur summon dies un 1/2 shots.
A.Agility+A.Power? That's a waste of mana.
How can u recharge from summon if it dies in 0,
Make NE/EE...
damn first time i agree u . ::) :D :D
Quote from: Evolution on July 14, 2010, 05:04:38 PM
damn first time i agree u . ::) :D :D
That's a start ;)
ne/tk not so bad pt ud , tough of life 360 degree shield , cubic but not so different as ne/pal
best choose its ne/ee
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
TP sucks,ur summon dies un 1/2 shots.
A.Agility+A.Power? That's a waste of mana.
How can u recharge from summon if it dies in 0,
Make NE/EE...
arcane agility and arcane power dont use mana , they use HP..
Quote from: cthon on July 14, 2010, 07:55:58 PM
arcane agility and arcane power dont use mana , they use HP..
well they are also increasing mana consumption :P
Quote from: Ashlynn on July 14, 2010, 08:25:01 PM
well they are also increasing mana consumption :P
that's like clarity , reduce 3 mp / skill
Ne//SR, if u havent mana to nuke, use one bow :(
Quote from: Neozinhu on July 14, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
Ne//SR, if u havent mana to nuke, use one bow :(
or if you dont have dnet robe, you will use light :D
Quote from: cthon on July 14, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
that's like clarity , reduce 3 mp / skill
Not really,I used to notice how my mana went to 0 way faster use A.Power,so I cannot imagine w/ x2 Arcanes...
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
TP sucks,ur summon dies un 1/2 shots.
A.Agility+A.Power? That's a waste of mana.
How can u recharge from summon if it dies in 0,
Make NE/EE...
Biggest bullshit ever.
You ever played a summoner/nuker? I guess not. Fullbuffed its's possible to have instant servitor barrier, with good enchanted TP u're taking like 1/3 of dmg. About the hp draining with 2 arcanas - u got 2 drains which should help u to regen ur hp quickly, and the high mp usage u say... I suggest you to go watch oly bots movie :D
go ne/es btw :)
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Quote from: spashqq on July 14, 2010, 10:17:57 PM
with good enchanted TP u're taking like 1/3 of dmg.
+16 = 75%
Quote from: spashqq on July 14, 2010, 10:17:57 PM
Biggest bullshit ever.
You ever played a summoner/nuker? I guess not. Fullbuffed its's possible to have instant servitor barrier, with good enchanted TP u're taking like 1/3 of dmg. About the hp draining with 2 arcanas - u got 2 drains which should help u to regen ur hp quickly, and the high mp usage u say... I suggest you to go watch oly bots movie :D
go ne/es btw :)
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Yea but not everyone got pro sws/ee and ee/es with em!
Quote from: spashqq on July 14, 2010, 10:17:57 PM
Biggest bullshit ever.
You ever played a summoner/nuker? I guess not. Fullbuffed its's possible to have instant servitor barrier, with good enchanted TP u're taking like 1/3 of dmg. About the hp draining with 2 arcanas - u got 2 drains which should help u to regen ur hp quickly, and the high mp usage u say... I suggest you to go watch oly bots movie :D
go ne/es btw :)
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U'r just...oh,a noob.
Even with S.Barrier ur pet is shit,so,what for TP+238434?...It's something easy to understand.
I didn't mean the HP draining,that's the less I care'bout,I meant the fcking high mana comsumption.And u'r not lucky today,I've watched it,and in mass pvp/siege he would end w/o mana in...5 min max?(And in fullbuffed pvps w/o topgear,and I bet this guy hasn't top gear,he wouldn't do shit b4 his mana would be out)...Who would recharge him? Nobody plays SE or EE as supporter ( Pity 'em,helping ur m8s is a must...).
It's easy to talk using the vid of a topgeared SPS/EE ( Way better than NE/ES btw )...
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 10:33:58 PM
U'r just...oh,a noob.
Even with S.Barrier ur pet is shit,so,what for TP+238434?...It's something easy to understand.
I didn't mean the HP draining,that's the less I care'bout,I meant the fcking high mana comsumption.And u'r not lucky today,I've watched it,and in mass pvp/siege he would end w/o mana in...5 min max?(And in fullbuffed pvps w/o topgear,and I bet this guy hasn't top gear,he wouldn't do shit b4 his mana would be out)...Who would recharge him? Nobody plays SE or EE as supporter ( Pity 'em,helping ur m8s is a must...).
It's easy to talk using the vid of a topgeared SPS/EE ( Way better than NE/ES btw )...
This game is a team game though, recharger is a class that is wanted a lot yet nobody wants to play it, since 99% of players on DN know shit of actual Lineage 2 and simply suck at PvP. That movie clearly stated our team was better than any other team at PvP, and not really by something special, just by following basic L2 gameplay, oh yea, and just 3 pro chars and players!1!11!1
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 10:33:58 PM
U'r just...oh,a noob.
Even with S.Barrier ur pet is shit,so,what for TP+238434?...It's something easy to understand.
I didn't mean the HP draining,that's the less I care'bout,I meant the fcking high mana comsumption.And u'r not lucky today,I've watched it,and in mass pvp/siege he would end w/o mana in...5 min max?(And in fullbuffed pvps w/o topgear,and I bet this guy hasn't top gear,he wouldn't do shit b4 his mana would be out)...Who would recharge him? Nobody plays SE or EE as supporter ( Pity 'em,helping ur m8s is a must...).
It's easy to talk using the vid of a topgeared SPS/EE ( Way better than NE/ES btw )...
u can call anyone noob but not spash seriously XD ne/es is best to choose.... the forgoten scrol for pony 30 second undead with this cast is fast reuse and its kinda wesome plus c.spd on char like this and rest . imo ne/es ( with bug to 85 ) > necro/ee in my opinion
Quote from: Neozinhu on July 14, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
Ne//SR, if u havent mana to nuke, use one bow :(
theres one thing i totaly agree with
Quote from: Furesy on July 14, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
This game is a team game though, recharger is a class that is wanted a lot yet nobody wants to play it, since 99% of players on DN know shit of actual Lineage 2 and simply suck at PvP. That movie clearly stated our team was better than any other team at PvP, and not really by something special, just by following basic L2 gameplay, oh yea, and just 3 pro chars and players!1!11!1
That's why I told him to make NE/EE.
Quote from: jygh on July 14, 2010, 11:02:46 PM
u can call anyone noob but not spash seriously XD ne/es is best to choose.... the forgoten scrol for pony 30 second undead with this cast is fast reuse and its kinda wesome plus c.spd on char like this and rest . imo ne/es ( with bug to 85 ) > necro/ee in my opinion
Mmm I thought Spash had another acc,anyway I don't care,NE/ES isn't good at all,Furesy explained one of the reasons I mentioned.
30s r nothing in mass pvp/siege,not even in low numbers pvp fullbuffed...About C.Speed just look what I said'bout x2 Arcanes,and logged as ES w/o A.Agility he'd have the same cast as EE(Or similar at least).
Forget aboute mutant combo.Sub to ES , swich on holy atribute find a party mage like atheo spash and furesy AND U WILL BE EVEN MORE ADDICTED by l2.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 05:10:45 AM
30s r nothing in mass pvp/siege,not even in low numbers pvp fullbuffed...About C.Speed just look what I said'bout x2 Arcanes,and logged as ES w/o A.Agility he'd have the same cast as EE(Or similar at least).
is not 30 s is almost petrfiied all the time cause of fast reuse of skill plus even iff it die he can remake pony in like 2 second lol and about arcane's mana go down on necro/ee very fast also same as on necro/es . even being es it doesnt mean he ve to use agility one but es is better for sub in my opinion than ee
Quote from: jygh on July 15, 2010, 05:34:44 AM
is not 30 s is almost petrfiied all the time cause of fast reuse of skill plus even iff it die he can remake pony in like 2 second lol and about arcane's mana go down on necro/ee very fast also same as on necro/es . even being es it doesnt mean he ve to use agility one but es is better for sub in my opinion than ee
Ok,so he'd have TP,one pro towards the combo.
So what's the point of playing ES if u don't use A.Agility? And u said it urself,if playing as NE/EE mana goes down fast with A.Power,imagine with another one.
I consider way funnier and less dependent EE/NE than ES/NE.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 05:44:38 AM
So what's the point of playing ES if u don't use A.Agility?
Have someone like Kaven (Guena) in pt, and u'll use Arcane Agility /Power and even with Magical Backfire that u'll have mana all the time ;D
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 05:10:45 AM
That's why I told him to make NE/EE.
Mmm I thought Spash had another acc,anyway I don't care,NE/ES isn't good at all,Furesy explained one of the reasons I mentioned.
30s r nothing in mass pvp/siege,not even in low numbers pvp fullbuffed...About C.Speed just look what I said'bout x2 Arcanes,and logged as ES w/o A.Agility he'd have the same cast as EE(Or similar at least).
I got Necro/EE amd SWS/EE.
Subbing to Necro/EE because you'll be a semi support is bullshit, anyone that subs a nuker to EE isn't going to support, he is going to nuke with the buffs he has and use some skills of the EE side, I did same with Noventa, that char was epic and close to unbeatable, but it's far from a support (and yea, my only weakness was infact mana, but that's also because I played alone all the time)
ES is a much better sub than EE for a nuker, but you're dependent on your party members much more, so sub EE if your a solo player, sub ES if you have great party members and a recharger, since you're much better then.
Quote from: Neozinhu on July 15, 2010, 05:47:17 AM
Have someone like Kaven (Guena) in pt, and u'll use Arcane Agility /Power and even with Magical Backfire that u'll have mana all the time ;D
Copycat tbh! LE > him!
Quote from: Furesy on July 15, 2010, 11:56:40 AM
Copycat tbh! LE > him!
imo guena > u anyway necro/es > necro/ee cause ee is still after all just pow and clarity bot
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 14, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
TP sucks,ur summon dies un 1/2 shots.
A.Agility+A.Power? That's a waste of mana.
How can u recharge from summon if it dies in 0,
Make NE/EE...
bullsh1t
edit:
i've just seen all ur comments in this topic and it's too much crap u've said here, actually have u ever seen summoner/nuker?
peace
Quote from: jygh on July 15, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
imo guena > u anyway necro/es > necro/ee cause ee is still after all just pow and clarity bot
I hardly was in party with you noob
Quote from: jygh on July 15, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
imo guena > u anyway necro/es > necro/ee cause ee is still after all just pow and clarity bot
What'bout self heal?
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 01:40:03 PM
bullsh1t
edit:
i've just seen all ur comments in this topic and it's too much crap u've said here, actually have u ever seen summoner/nuker?
peace
I've played SPS/ES,y,that's why I'm telling him to make a fcking NE/EE unless he got a EE/XX behind his ass recharging him the whole time.(Something hard right?)
EDIT: And also he'd need a healer,damn,is it only me the one who see EE/XX as the best possible choice for a nuker? U just depend of ur buffbots,nothing else.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 03:36:54 PM
What'bout self heal?
I've played SPS/ES,y,that's why I'm telling him to make a fcking NE/EE unless he got a EE/XX behind his ass recharging him the whole time.(Something hard right?)
EDIT: And also he'd need a healer,damn,is it only me the one who see EE/XX as the best possible choice for a nuker? U just depend of ur buffbots,nothing else.
Quote from: Furesy on July 14, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
This game is a team game though, recharger is a class that is wanted a lot yet nobody wants to play it, since 99% of players on DN know shit of actual Lineage 2 and simply suck at PvP. That movie clearly stated our team was better than any other team at PvP, and not really by something special, just by following basic L2 gameplay, oh yea, and just 3 pro chars and players!1!11!1
man just read Furesy's post again please
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 03:48:37 PM
man just read Furesy's post again please
Then u should read what I said'bout that vid.
This guy doesn't have top pvp gear.
This guy doesn't have x2 supporters with top gear behind.
Nobody plays EE or SE as recharger.
Then,if u have read that,when will u fcking understand that EE/NE is the best choice for him? DAMN!
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 04:41:31 PM
Then u should read what I said'bout that vid.
This guy doesn't have top pvp gear.
This guy doesn't have x2 supporters with top gear behind.
Nobody plays EE or SE as recharger.
Then,if u have read that,when will u fcking understand that EE/NE is the best choice for him? DAMN!
u still dont get the point!
dont u get that is quite time for him, and for everyone to learn to play this way
and skill>gear btw
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
u still dont get the point!
dont u get that is quite time for him, and for everyone to learn to play this way
and skill>gear btw
That's pure bullshit,nobody will play like that,stop talking shits damn!
Skill>gear? Perhaps in IL but not in HB,try a pvp with normal S vs Icarus/DNET...another bullshit.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 04:52:27 PM
That's pure bullshit,nobody will play like that,stop talking shits damn!
Skill>gear? Perhaps in IL but not in HB,try a pvp with normal S vs Icarus/DNET...another bullshit.
if u cant, a lot of ppl do. ;D ;D
Quote from: Teh noob on July 15, 2010, 06:41:39 PM
if u cant, a lot of ppl do. ;D ;D
I'm talking'bout normal S armor/weapon,not just the weapon ;)
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 07:31:29 PM
I'm talking'bout normal S armor/weapon,not just the weapon ;)
<- never had one DNET or boss set, tbh, i have only 1 zaken ;D
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 15, 2010, 04:52:27 PM
That's pure bullshit,nobody will play like that,stop talking shits damn!
Skill>gear? Perhaps in IL but not in HB,try a pvp with normal S vs Icarus/DNET...another bullshit.
i have tateo +3 and am+3 and i've never had any problems, only back in times when i was wearing dc robe set and when we had no resists to archers so hits were painful anyway :D
but at the moment, with normal s weapon+3 mages can kill easily if they are collecting money for full attribute ( much cheaper than s80 weap)
and btw why nobody can play supports? boring? quite opposite i kinda like to play support, and EVEN if i do get bored of it i can swap chars with friends so sometimes they are support sometimes omfgwtfpwnzors, for me doesnt matter really.
and when all ppl find out that supports ARE necessary maybe they wont cry at forums for being wiped by 3 guys
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
i have tateo +3 and am+3 and i've never had any problems, only back in times when i was wearing dc robe set and when we had no resists to archers so hits were painful anyway :D
but at the moment, with normal s weapon+3 mages can kill easily if they are collecting money for full attribute ( much cheaper than s80 weap)
and btw why nobody can play supports? boring? quite opposite i kinda like to play support, and EVEN if i do get bored of it i can swap chars with friends so sometimes they are support sometimes omfgwtfpwnzors, for me doesnt matter really.
and when all ppl find out that supports ARE necessary maybe they wont cry at forums for being wiped by 3 guys
Don't make me laugh,a mage with AM+A+3 cannot do shit vs ppl with Dyna/RB+6/7/8 jewells and fullbuffs.Atribute helps,but it doesn't makes miracles ;)
I didn't say that they cannot play'em,I said that they don't wanna.For supports r funny aswell,but ppl prefer the "omg I pwn" part.