I know there are some topic with the same name, but its still a problem. And its not about I have to learn buff myself its disturbing that I'm losing important buff all the times. I'm a bishop/paladin and I'm healing a fighter pt, and now I write a buff line which I use against archers. So I put NOTHING against mages. Let see.
1. Wind Walk
2. Icombat
3. Icondition
4. GreaterShield
5. Acumen
6. Clarity
7. IShieldDef
8. Fire dance )
9. Fury dance ) Cause of fighters
10. Warrior dance )
11. Conc dance - Cause of me :D
12. Hunter song
13. Earth song
14. Windstrom song
15. Chant of Victory
16. Chant of prot
17. Blessing of Queen (aka Cat buff)
18. Nobless Blessing
Here goes my self buffs.
19. Majesty
20. Deflect arrow
21. Pdef pots
So its "only" 21 the pvp starts:
22. counter dash ) They turn in always somehow...
23. counter rapid shot )
24. I echanted a skill to Endurance that turns in also.
25. Party UD, or self UD
26. E.Mana
And i lost 2 buffs.
And as U see no mdef, no elemental prot, no elemental song on. Ofc i can miss some buffs, but why do i have to? Why do I need to decide? Its not like i want to put on every buff on the world, i only like to put on useful buffs. And an archer have the same problems. I know mages need less buff slot, but please consider the idea of making a 3rd buffline for dances/songs. And i also like to see a reply of a GM (if it possible). Are they working on it? Or thinking of making? Or not even noticed that problem?. Please answer me.
Learn to you buffshield.
buy 4th buff slot book, so you'll have 28 slots and start crying again xD
Quote from: flamingAwe on July 14, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
buy 4th buff slot book, so you'll have 28 slots and start crying again xD
1 slot/book, its not infy, awe ;)
Quote from: mlhungary8 on July 14, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
Learn to you buffshield.
yeah sure, use buffshield between 2 dances in pvp :D
learn how to take buff's, first selfbuffs then other for dance/song use buff shild
Quote from: 6bIK on July 14, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
learn how to take buff's, first selfbuffs then other for dance/song use buff shild
Omg plz dont do that with me. I can write a buff line for archers who also dont have enough slot. Understand plox its not a solution....
Quote from: 6bIK on July 14, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
learn how to take buff's, first selfbuffs then other for dance/song use buff shild
is there any topic where nobody wrote this sentence? ::)
in every topic: "learn how to buff" its boring now :D
Quote from: Shilen on July 14, 2010, 08:38:29 PM
1 slot/book, its not infy, awe ;)
heh, shows that i'm total nub on this server xD
but bites me, why did they have to change something that works good on other servers xD
Quote from: flamingAwe on July 14, 2010, 10:01:43 PM
heh, shows that i'm total nub on this server xD
but bites me, why did they have to change something that works good on other servers xD
where? ;]
well just for lamers which have only childish arguments like "use how to learn buffshields" :
EVEN NCSOFT REALIZED THAT 3RD BUFF LINE IS NECESSARY so they implemented it in higher chronicles even there are almost no new buffs. (and at official arent stacksubs so its even easier cos you dont have selfbuffs from 2 classes at once)
so stfu and learn something about game evolution kids and stop trying to be smarter than NCsoft
+1 for topic creator but anyway noone from STAFF is reading forum so you are wasting your time.
Trp
WTF is wrong with you guys "learn buff yourself"? Do you guys really think your oldest and best L2 player in the world and we are all just stupid? This is true, there arent enough slots, im mage, with clan+se+bd buffs i can have only 1 more rezist.What about an archer? Some got 4-5 selfbuffs.
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
They implemented it mostly bcoz of highly amount of new self buffs , and certificates , not bcoz ppl hadnt buff themselfs properly . So plz stop talking bullshits about learning of game evolution , if you know about it a big zero .
With Manuscript learned , you can really enjoy the game with any kind of buffs , its just depends of the situation and pvp against what classes you are doing . If gm gonna put next buffbar , mages will fall down drasticly coz of max amount of resists , so let me guess , you are dying so fast from mages thats why you want to implement it ? So yea its again QQ topic .
Yes i think that you are noob without any kind of experience in buffing and making pvp .
bullshit.
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
They implemented it mostly bcoz of highly amount of new self buffs , and certificates , not bcoz ppl hadnt buff themselfs properly . So plz stop talking bullshits about learning of game evolution , if you know about it a big zero .
With Manuscript learned , you can really enjoy the game with any kind of buffs , its just depends of the situation and pvp against what classes you are doing . If gm gonna put next buffbar , mages will fall down drasticly coz of max amount of resists , so let me guess , you are dying so fast from mages thats why you want to implement it ? So yea its again QQ topic .
Yes i think that you are noob without any kind of experience in buffing and making pvp .
1. If mages are so cool now, why your clan crying about "mage dmg is low" and "nerf op resists"?
2. Fight vs your clan is fkin easy, cause enemy dont need any p def/protection vs fighters buff, so they can play with full resists, but you know, there are better clans on earth, whichs have fighters and mages too, so you cant fight vs them as easily vs excidium...
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 11:38:53 AM
Dude , you just proove that you dont know how to play with char , and buffurself properly , let me show you how a BP/PAL have to buff himself , im playing on it since 1 year , and i never had any kind of problems with it , in fighters/mage pt :
You wanted buffbar in Archers pt :
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7882/buffv.th.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/buffv.jpg/)
While wc is buffing Chant of critial atack you are using buffshield . And you have 2 free slots for active skills from Archers and 1 for mana pots .
as i can see u didnt understand that part "1 slot/book"
and just to know: +2 skills from SR (counters), +1 ud/party UD etc, +some from enchanted skills, and u dont even have windstorm/bladstorm, fist of paagrio etc
i know they are not neccessary but its good i u can have them
ppl u should learn its
NOT NM SERVER its valkyria
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 12:23:52 PM
who the freak is using paagrio FIST ROFL 1k cp is a big bullshit not buff , and no1 is enchanting skills for some shity 250 p def , but for power in shield defense and shield defense rate . You cant finish a pvp with completly full buff bar as you started , or you are fighting with noobs without debuffs and cancels . Thats why m def and p def buffs are first cuz even if you use UD / Vegence / PT UD / or UD from Divine , you will not feel that loosing so much . Learn how to play in pvp , not how to buff for get max STATS OMFG
bump
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
They implemented it mostly bcoz of highly amount of new self buffs , and certificates , not bcoz ppl hadnt buff themselfs properly . So plz stop talking bullshits about learning of game evolution , if you know about it a big zero .
With Manuscript learned , you can really enjoy the game with any kind of buffs , its just depends of the situation and pvp against what classes you are doing . If gm gonna put next buffbar , mages will fall down drasticly coz of max amount of resists , so let me guess , you are dying so fast from mages thats why you want to implement it ? So yea its again QQ topic .
Yes i think that you are noob without any kind of experience in buffing and making pvp .
Oh cmon, when I still played on NM your entire clan was one of the most noobs in PvP when it came to buffing themselves, even with nerfed PR/WL 90% of your clan remained 1 shot xD
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 12:23:52 PM
who the freak is using paagrio FIST ROFL 1k cp is a big bullshit not buff , and no1 is enchanting skills for some shity 250 p def , but for power in shield defense and shield defense rate . You cant finish a pvp with completly full buff bar as you started , or you are fighting with noobs without debuffs and cancels . Thats why m def and p def buffs are first cuz even if you use UD / Vegence / PT UD / or UD from Divine , you will not feel that loosing so much . Learn how to play in pvp , not how to buff for get max STATS OMFG
Quote from: Shilen on July 15, 2010, 12:18:18 PM
i know they are not neccessary but its good i u can have them
::)
and btw, tell me, why its bad for u if u will have song/dance in 3rd line?
are u fakin mazhoist? :D or its damn shit if u can have some +resist? :D
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 11:38:53 AM
Dude , you just proove that you dont know how to play with char , and buffurself properly , let me show you how a BP/PAL have to buff himself , im playing on it since 1 year , and i never had any kind of problems with it , in fighters/mage pt :
You wanted buffbar in Archers pt :
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7882/buffv.th.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/buffv.jpg/)
While wc is buffing Chant of critial atack you are using buffshield . And you have 2 free slots for active skills from Archers and 1 for mana pots .
Hm hm I see I see. So Let me tell you something about this buff bar. If Im correct you have 23 buffs on. Which is the maximum amount of buffs on this server. (Ofc with divine inspiration 4 [whic only for heroes if Im correct] you can have 24) So while you're standing in CH (I guess you're doing that all the time) it looks perfect. Btw you dont even have Majesty on. Dont even used any pots. So The pvp starts.
You have that skill Iron shield which "turns in" so u lost pdef. Maybe use a party UD? you lost mdef. Maybe a mana potion too? You lost chant of protection. If you had majesty on. (Which i guess a useful skill) You lost i condi.
And i dont continue it with counters, and if you like to use some pots. For example tell me why pdef pots in game if I cant use it because i dont have enough space for it.
I dont think having a new line for dances/songs or add some extra buff slot will unbalance the game. Or i dont know.
Quote from: Ashee on July 15, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Hm hm I see I see. So Let me tell you something about this buff bar. If Im correct you have 23 buffs on. Which is the maximum amount of buffs on this server. (Ofc with divine inspiration 4 [whic only for heroes if Im correct] you can have 24) So while you're standing in CH (I guess you're doing that all the time) it looks perfect. Btw you dont even have Majesty on. Dont even used any pots. So The pvp starts.
You have that skill Iron shield which "turns in" so u lost pdef. Maybe use a party UD? you lost mdef. Maybe a mana potion too? You lost chant of protection. If you had majesty on. (Which i guess a useful skill) You lost i condi.
And i dont continue it with counters, and if you like to use some pots. For example tell me why pdef pots in game if I cant use it because i dont have enough space for it.
I dont think having a new line for dances/songs or add some extra buff slot will unbalance the game. Or i dont know.
im sure u didnt get point of this guy
it's not always about MAX stats, u gotta choose what's the most important and play with it!
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
im sure u didnt get point of this guy
it's not always about MAX stats, u gotta choose what's the most important and play with it!
i got it
lets pvp with acumen/haste and toggle skillz :D
Quote from: Shilen on July 15, 2010, 02:34:03 PM
i got it
lets pvp with acumen/haste and toggle skillz :D
or keep crying util get enough slots for every resist against mage?
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 02:27:20 PM
Seems you made a bp/pal now , and you know about that char a big zero . Anyway if you are using some funny buffs and lol enchants i cant except a lot from you on pvp , so for you , this lack of perfect stats can be a huge problem . I can say that its long way infront of you.
Gm plz give us 2 more lines of buffbars , we are just starting to play here , and most of us are testing our chars , getting highest stats and starting to have some pvp , but not so much , mostly we are farming and we need them to kill fastly moobs .
So u dont have anything useful against the things I wrote :D. But never mind, I wrote about BP/Pal cause i play one, but I could write about an archer who hame exactly the same problem. So its not one type of char but almost all.
And im not telling I want to have all of the buffs on but with a 3rd buff line I would get around 8 extra buff slot which is just enough.
And if its like this ok. Lets play with 3 buff slot. So u have choose very carefully what u want to use. Is it ok for you?
Quote from: stanko on July 15, 2010, 02:35:11 PM
or keep crying util get enough slots for every resist against mage?
no, until i got for counters, party ud and for some+song and mana pot ::)
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
I think that they can put into every single book 2 slots instead of 1 , like ppl has in other servers . Its seriously enough .
Deal done. It would be enough for me too.
stop cry go pro
if they give u more buff slots, in 2 days u start cry about other thing, like "it's impossible kill mage/fighter"....
so gl with cry, dont stop it xDD
Quote from: 6bIK on July 15, 2010, 03:37:40 PM
stop cry go pro
if they give u more buff slots, in 2 days u start cry about other thing, like "it's impossible kill mage/fighter"....
so gl with cry, dont stop it xDD
You dont even play here or l2 so you're words worth shit. Anyway thx for reply :O
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
They implemented it mostly bcoz of highly amount of new self buffs , and certificates , not bcoz ppl hadnt buff themselfs properly . So plz stop talking bullshits about learning of game evolution , if you know about it a big zero .
With Manuscript learned , you can really enjoy the game with any kind of buffs , its just depends of the situation and pvp against what classes you are doing . If gm gonna put next buffbar , mages will fall down drasticly coz of max amount of resists , so let me guess , you are dying so fast from mages thats why you want to implement it ? So yea its again QQ topic .
well mr smartass, please check patch notes on lineage2.com and than be smart, except certs there are not many new buff/selfbuff skills from hellbound to GE chronicle. so hush.
anyway i was expecting that someone like you with char which have almost no selfbuffs will try to be smart here. but try for other classes. for example i am wl/pal. try to count my selfbuffs kid. im not sure if you can count so i will do favour for you and count it:
thrill fight, deflect arrow, majesty, tol, ud(veng, party ud), icon, trigger pdef from vicious stance, lion hearth, soul of phoenix, war cry... mby i forgot some but i hope that even you can make a picture.
other way to say: You said that new buffs/certs from higher chronicles are reason why NCsoft put 3rd line for dance/songs. ok, np with that. but dont you think that you have same ammount of buffs on this chronicle on stacksub?
in my opinion selfubuffs from 2 classes on HB > selfs of 1 class on GE.
now got my point G4rro or you need me to draw you a picture ?
Trp
Quote from: nolimits on July 15, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
well mr smartass, please check patch notes on lineage2.com and than be smart, except certs there are not many new buff/selfbuff skills from hellbound to GE chronicle. so hush.
anyway i was expecting that someone like you with char which have almost no selfbuffs will try to be smart here. but try for other classes. for example i am wl/pal. try to count my selfbuffs kid. im not sure if you can count so i will do favour for you and count it:
thrill fight, deflect arrow, majesty, tol, ud(veng, party ud), icon, trigger pdef from vicious stance, lion hearth, soul of phoenix, war cry... mby i forgot some but i hope that even you can make a picture.
other way to say: You said that new buffs/certs from higher chronicles are reason why NCsoft put 3rd line for dance/songs. ok, np with that. but dont you think that you have same ammount of buffs on this chronicle on stacksub?
in my opinion selfubuffs from 2 classes on HB > selfs of 1 class on GE.
now got my point G4rro or you need me to draw you a picture ?
Trp
true, here we have stacksub which means u have 2xclass selfbuffs
a non-support char has more selfbuffs
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 06:35:47 PM
Omg , if WL/PAL has so many selfbuffs to use , and you are using them all , thats mean we have to put more lines for you . You made my day dude . IF you will add next line/ lines of buffs , you gonna see how fastly ppl will rerolling coz of ALL POSIBLE resists used in pvp . Mages will drasticly fall down , and after them archers . So soon you gonna see daggers / tanks Valkyria .
sure, and what do think, on offical do they cry for resist? or on any gracia server
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 06:35:47 PM
Omg , if WL/PAL has so many selfbuffs to use , and you are using them all , thats mean we have to put more lines for you . You made my day dude . IF you will add next line/ lines of buffs , you gonna see how fastly ppl will rerolling coz of ALL POSIBLE resists used in pvp . Mages will drasticly fall down , and after them archers . So soon you gonna see daggers / tanks Valkyria .
okey so translation of your post is: "dont add 3rd line for song/dances or I will sux because ppl will use rezists"
now you made my day too XD
Quote from: Ashee on July 15, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
You dont even play here or l2 so you're words worth shit. Anyway thx for reply :O
who tell u that i dont play?
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on July 15, 2010, 09:04:27 PM
+1 nolimits....
G4rro tell me what is wrong if server become dagger/tank server?
If it is a mage/archer server it is all ok, but if it become dagger/tantk/etc.. Server that is bad,right? Lol are you kidding us? Stfu pls..
that is pure racism against other classes xD...
racism, everywhere racism...
Quote from: 6bIK on July 15, 2010, 09:10:26 PM
racism, everywhere racism...
spam, everywhere spam...
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 12:42:37 PM
maybe bcoz of one important thing, when you plays on NM , my clan was just starting there ? So dont compare IC BOW and dnet set + full rb jew to draco set and db +f , you can join now , and i can tell you that ur dmg on most of us will be around 700 from cryt . Like cthon's dmg ^^
Sold all so no can do :D
Though I doubt it was gear related, most of your clan was already in dynasty and had Icarus bows and such (and I still used DB F +13) in fact, I've always used DB F +13, I only used my IC F +5 for couple of days and then threw it in WH, I liked DB more! With IC was way to easy.
Quote from: Furesy on July 15, 2010, 10:36:04 PM
Sold all so no can do :D
Though I doubt it was gear related, most of your clan was already in dynasty and had Icarus bows and such (and I still used DB F +13) in fact, I've always used DB F +13, I only used my IC F +5 for couple of days and then threw it in WH, I liked DB more! With IC was way to easy.
damn man i love ur style of owning on forum ;D
Quote from: G4rro on July 15, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
nah my translation is " dont add 3 rd line cuz 90% of server population will sux , and poor tank/wl is gonna think that he is worth smth .
its already balanced , there is a lot of daggers . Also tanks but subbed with mages/archers
they should be worth making. But thanks to superior other classes w/o selfbuffs they can't do a thing against mages.
Tanks should be hardest to kill for all classes, that's why they're called tanks (probably you havent played on retail-like-server, and haven's seen such char in action), about daggers, they should be fastest killers in short-range combat, but they are not thanks to skill damage reduce, that's why we hardly see combo of dagger/tank, while we have tons of mages with pdef like tanks, dmg better than archers and so on > shouldn't be like that : )
anyways, +1 to idea of 1buffslot book/2slots, it would make things much better.
I think the 24 slot enough. You need to choose wich buff want, and which is the most important, not just put every shit buff up, like a shitty 3k x pvp server.
Quote from: devilinside on July 20, 2010, 04:58:42 PM
I think the 24 slot enough. You need to choose wich buff want, and which is the most important, not just put every shit buff up, like a shitty 3k x pvp server.
uhm you seems very skilled ppl...
On topic:
+1 we need more slots to better realize some subclassed characters; not to mention the DN pots. If one can add more defensive buffs, the other can add more offensive buffs, so no point QQing from that angle. Giving a biased opinion from a I-don't-have-many-triggers-and-self-buffs-in-my-mage-party point of view is just useless. I have all kinds of chars - lots of self buffs, lots of triggers, in party with lots of triggers, support and I feel comfortable getting this move in. 1 DI = 2 or 3 slots is a good way to start too; if the code for separating songs and dances is harder to implement from a programming standpoint.
Slightly off topic:
Only now have I fully realized how shameless and worthless a clan Excidium is. I am (or was) kinda new to this hate and I always used to give them the benefit of the doubt and think "they cannot be that bad, come on". Now, I know, first hand. Sigh. There are, as always, some exceptions, some good people in bad company.