I was thinking, maybe we can incrase max lvl on subclasses, so we can lvlup more, enchant skills with better chance and buy forgotten scrolls?
since restricted areas dont work... for main class only.. ppl are only using subs so it's normal why ppl are asking for fs... rarely anybody is playing on main..
Quote from: k0dex on July 16, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
I was thinking, maybe we can incrase max lvl on subclasses, so we can lvlup more, enchant skills with better chance and buy forgotten scrolls?
not possible dkhead since subs are on retails.
get it atleast till lvl 81, so we get skills but not teh uber pwnz0r 82 rezists.
I want to buy but forgoten As much as lvl 81, do 85
kodex +1
Quote from: ChujoZord on July 16, 2010, 08:47:31 PM
not possible dkhead since subs are on retails.
its possible since GMs can set it ::)
anyway, im on NO
Quote from: 6bIK on July 16, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
why no?
because this way makes you think more.
"is he on his sub, which has more attacks, but is stuck at lvl 80, or on his main, limited to one skill set, but at lvl 85, with more strength and possibly better enchants?"
I should think all you pvp'rs would like it better this way, it makes things more complex, therefore more interesting.
Quote from: ChillyWilly on July 17, 2010, 02:03:33 PM
because this way makes you think more.
"is he on his sub, which has more attacks, but is stuck at lvl 80, or on his main, limited to one skill set, but at lvl 85, with more strength and possibly better enchants?"
I should think all you pvp'rs would like it better this way, it makes things more complex, therefore more interesting.
+1
but they didn't make that subclass restrict areas so it kinda ruined much things.. :/
Quote from: k0dex on July 16, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
I was thinking, maybe we can incrase max lvl on subclasses, so we can lvlup more, enchant skills with better chance and buy forgotten scrolls?
As i see u/ur clan are still complaing about everything here. First u cried about baium , now about lvl on subs ;) What next will u want? Free vesper sets? :P
maybe naked woman ? xD
Give 85 grrr, I like a lot expic
Quote from: MrYoOcker on July 17, 2010, 04:27:28 PM
maybe naked woman ? xD
Give 85 grrr, I like a lot expic
It's not possible since this game it's L2 yet. You can't change game core. Have you ever saw on any server that on retail people made 81-85 lvl? Because I didn't.
Topic to close.
QuoteIt's not possible since this game it's L2 yet.
Good joke. :D
Quote from: 2nFear on July 17, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
As i see u/ur clan are still complaing about everything here. First u cried about baium , now about lvl on subs ;) What next will u want? Free vesper sets? :P
look you fukin retard, I dont QQ on anything, I dont need this lvl 85 so much , it was suggestion. And who the hell are you to talk about my clan? you failed and your newbie clan and now you sit only on forum, so plz leave this game to pros, and stop shit-talk.
Quote from: ChujoZord on July 17, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
It's not possible since this game it's L2 yet. You can't change game core. Have you ever saw on any server that on retail people made 81-85 lvl? Because I didn't.
Topic to close.
belive me, i was on server where u could have lvl 85 retail :)
its not impossible, depends on settings
but still NO :P
Quote from: ChujoZord on July 17, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
It's not possible since this game it's L2 yet. You can't change game core. Have you ever saw on any server that on retail people made 81-85 lvl? Because I didn't.
Topic to close.
1. its DN , here all is possible...
2. it's possible re-code core...
Quote from: ChujoZord on July 17, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
It's not possible since this game it's L2 yet. You can't change game core. Have you ever saw on any server that on retail people made 81-85 lvl? Because I didn't.
Topic to close.
Of course it IS possible, lol :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on July 18, 2010, 01:48:58 AM
Of course it IS possible, lol :D
just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD
jesusfackingchrist what an emo rage..
guy created thread with interesting topic, and if you want to be smartass write something more than 'NO RETARD". ofcourse is it possible to make 85 at retail. perosnaly I dont care if we have 80 or 85 lvl here.
Quote from: pigozord on July 18, 2010, 09:27:20 AM
jesusfackingchrist what an emo rage..
guy created thread with interesting topic, and if you want to be smartass write something more than 'NO RETARD". ofcourse is it possible to make 85 at retail. perosnaly I dont care if we have 80 or 85 lvl here.
if u dontmotherfockingcare then plz stfu with it "jesusfackingchrist"
Quote from: ChillyWilly on July 18, 2010, 05:41:44 AM
just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD
of course, I am all for keeping lvl 80 cap for subclasses, since that's how it was intended by NC Soft. :P But well, another way to look at it is, that NC Soft also never intended to have a stacking subclasses :)
Quote from: Ashlynn on July 18, 2010, 01:48:58 AM
Of course it IS possible, lol :D
Quote from: 6bIK on July 18, 2010, 01:17:05 AM
1. its DN , here all is possible...
2. it's possible re-code core...
+1
good idea, 80+ skills pwnz
And need make stucksub oly becouse its substack server
i think that: ppls should choose x/y class to oly at evry month start, and can play oly with only 1 class with stucked skills.
ex: im lvl80 ty/de and lvl80 sps/ee
go to manager reg to oly as ty/de, and in this month i can play on OLy only like ty/de, and i can be Tyrant hero
its simple....
sorry for my shity english
you want too much dude
Quote from: 6bIK on July 18, 2010, 01:17:05 AM
1. its DN , here all is possible...
2. it's possible re-code core...
1. Not everything.
2. Ye It's possible on Java servers.
3. Good Luck with recoding off files. You must be so freaking good with programming in Assembler x64 and have perfect knowladge about it.
k0dex, awesome sig.
I was, unfortunatly, eating supper when I saw it....
(but that's ok, I was starving after work, and it hardly slowed me down)
Quote from: amadeus on July 18, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
good idea, 80+ skills pwnz
And need make stucksub oly becouse its substack server
i think that: ppls should choose x/y class to oly at evry month start, and can play oly with only 1 class with stucked skills.
ex: im lvl80 ty/de and lvl80 sps/ee
go to manager reg to oly as ty/de, and in this month i can play on OLy only like ty/de, and i can be Tyrant hero
its simple....
sorry for my shity english
Not a good idea to have subs go past 80.
Ofc 80+ passvies ownz, but then the game will change again, I planned for 80 subs pvp not 82+.
Increasing the sub level would result in your main char becoming a useless unplayed char.
Rescript epic raid areas to main only.
Quote from: ChillyWilly on July 19, 2010, 02:32:14 AM
k0dex, awesome sig.
I was, unfortunatly, eating supper when I saw it....
(but that's ok, I was starving after work, and it hardly slowed me down)
Isnt turtles awesome:D
Quote from: k0dex on July 19, 2010, 02:00:48 PM
Isnt turtles awesome:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CL2hetqpfg
centipedes are better :D
Quote from: k0dex on July 17, 2010, 11:47:24 PM
look you fukin retard, I dont QQ on anything, I dont need this lvl 85 so much , it was suggestion. And who the hell are you to talk about my clan? you failed and your newbie clan and now you sit only on forum, so plz leave this game to pros, and stop shit-talk.
Yeah u're still crying ;) I failed with my newbie clan? U can say like that, but i made more money on Dragon in that clan that u will ever be able to make by urself. Yeah i sit only on forum because instead of you i'm having great time on my vacations :P see u soon 'retard' ;)
well wts 20 qa, 8 baiums ;] think how much money we can make, but we wont bcos we dont need them, and btw it is not usefull argument for anything. cu soon in TheHero failors, you will enjoy the ground with them :*
Quote from: k0dex on July 20, 2010, 09:41:34 PM
cu soon in TheHero failors, you will enjoy the ground with them :*
"let the bodies hit the floor! let the bodies hit the floor!" ;D
Quote from: ChujoZord on July 17, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
It's not possible since this game it's L2 yet. You can't change game core. Have you ever saw on any server that on retail people made 81-85 lvl? Because I didn't.
Topic to close.
Ofc u will never see someone lvl 81+ on retail, because retail is made that way... people on retail dont ask for changes, nerf this class, take this skill off... they play the game and shut their mouth.
a gm has control of everything. If you can set the race stats to 99, lvl to 80 when 78 was maximum... and belive me, friend of mine was gm here and he did it to our chars on arena when it was a test server, then its possible to set a retail here 85 from gm, and most likely edit the file too
Quote from: pigozord on July 20, 2010, 09:44:52 PM
"let the bodies hit the floor! let the bodies hit the floor!" ;D
youuuuuuu dude refreshed me great song !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_QntXc-c4
Quote from: k0dex on July 20, 2010, 10:46:45 PM
youuuuuuu dude refreshed me great song !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_QntXc-c4
oh.
glad I broke my "never click on links" rule... that was cool.
Quote from: k0dex on July 16, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
I was thinking, maybe we can incrase max lvl on subclasses, so we can lvlup more, enchant skills with better chance and buy forgotten scrolls?
Yep, I hate to say this, but it would actually be a good ideea
Those so called restricted areas will never be restricted, it would mean the total death and demise of this server, and GM's know it. So yeah, why waste time, play on main, play on retail+sub, switch, switch again, it's freaking useless, it's a substack server ANYWAY.
On the other hand I wont think it will happen just because I think it takes allot of work, as a programmer, to modify the basic L2 game data.
Anywayz, it will be a cool thing though, so yeah, make retail lvl 85.
It's just that these people wanna flame and scream bad things , but no one reasoning out meaningfully why they want or don't want lvl 85 on , basically /tanks will become even more powerful , cuz paladin has flame icon (pt AI ) and SK has pain of shelien (more crit dmge, vr effect , atk speed ) and TK (pt TOL) .
archer -nothing much
Dagger - they made them lol class here , nothing will change them unless you fix daggers .
Mages -frost/flame/hurricane armor (good stuff )
Enchanters - no game changing buffs (infact nothing at all )
Summoners - servitor loyalty or something , nothing interesting
Glad - Weapon blockade. Not too defining .
Warlord -dread pool (mass fear ) cool skill
All classes get protections , which are cool because they help in defense
Basically , the pol who say no , you don't want hellbound skills ? .it creates more variation in pvp .it's just gonna be more FUN cuz of new skills. If you include these at least we will have some use for those scrolls that drop , and perhaps some intrest to still play here , cuz pvp is almost dead here
,http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_04.html -refer here if you have doubts . Kodex came with a very good thing , GMs please look into it .
I agree to everything that HouseIND said.
Some1 said that it will only ruin playing with main class. Let's cut the bulshit, barely anyone is playing their main class, it's only useable while fighting for hero status. We all came here because of stacking subclasses, and it's best for everyone to have a possibility to lvl them to 85 and gain good skills each class posses in this chronicle.
I am hoping that Valkyria Staff will consider giving us more fun by increasing max lvl on subs : )
Remember, after you reach max lvl, you get bored a bit - more lvl = longer fun !
p.s. yeah, fix daggers...
Quote from: HouseIND on July 25, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
It's just that these people wanna flame and scream bad things , but no one reasoning out meaningfully why they want or don't want lvl 85 on , basically /tanks will become even more powerful , cuz paladin has flame icon (pt AI ) and SK has pain of shelien (more crit dmge, vr effect , atk speed ) and TK (pt TOL) .
archer -nothing much
Dagger - they made them lol class here , nothing will change them unless you fix daggers .
Mages -frost/flame/hurricane armor (good stuff )
Enchanters - no game changing buffs (infact nothing at all )
Summoners - servitor loyalty or something , nothing interesting servitor barrier (op skill)
Glad - Weapon blockade. Not too defining .
Warlord -dread pool (mass fear ) cool skill
All classes get protections , which are cool because they help in defense
Basically , the pol who say no , you don't want hellbound skills ? .it creates more variation in pvp .it's just gonna be more FUN cuz of new skills. If you include these at least we will have some use for those scrolls that drop , and perhaps some intrest to still play here , cuz pvp is almost dead here
,http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_04.html -refer here if you have doubts . Kodex came with a very good thing , GMs please look into it .
Give me a break ....anyways don't wanna go too offtopic discussing it , waiting for GMs response
It's a good idea, and thats it. Playing with lvl 85 char is a totaly different game then playing with a lvl 80 one.
Quote from: HouseIND on July 25, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
It's just that these people wanna flame and scream bad things , but no one reasoning out meaningfully why they want or don't want lvl 85 on , basically /tanks will become even more powerful , cuz paladin has flame icon (pt AI ) and SK has pain of shelien (more crit dmge, vr effect , atk speed ) and TK (pt TOL) .
archer -nothing much
Dagger - they made them lol class here , nothing will change them unless you fix daggers .
Mages -frost/flame/hurricane armor (good stuff )
Enchanters - no game changing buffs (infact nothing at all )
Summoners - servitor loyalty or something , nothing interesting
Glad - Weapon blockade. Not too defining .
Warlord -dread pool (mass fear ) cool skill
All classes get protections , which are cool because they help in defense
Basically , the pol who say no , you don't want hellbound skills ? .it creates more variation in pvp .it's just gonna be more FUN cuz of new skills. If you include these at least we will have some use for those scrolls that drop , and perhaps some intrest to still play here , cuz pvp is almost dead here
,http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_04.html -refer here if you have doubts . Kodex came with a very good thing , GMs please look into it .
What don't you get? This will not be another regular dn-substack "like the rest". This server was created on this idea,
otherwise it becomes like the rest and main class becomes useless unplayed char (only oly I hear). Now the choices ppl made will also be effected if subs go past 80. Where is the team spirit, nothing wrong imo to restrict it to epic bosses.
Quote from: ChillyWilly on July 17, 2010, 02:03:33 PM
because this way makes you think more.
"is he on his sub, which has more attacks, but is stuck at lvl 80, or on his main, limited to one skill set, but at lvl 85, with more strength and possibly better enchants?"
I should think all you pvp'rs would like it better this way, it makes things more complex, therefore more interesting.
I agree with cillywilly not house... suckers always want the easy "subs" way out.
Quote from: stealth on July 27, 2010, 12:50:36 AM
What don't you get? This will not be another regular dn-substack "like the rest". This server was created on this idea,
otherwise it becomes like the rest and main class becomes useless unplayed char (only oly I hear). Now the choices ppl made will also be effected if subs go past 80. Where is the team spirit, nothing wrong imo to restrict it to epic bosses.
Heh , I just don't get you . First will anyone ever pvp with main class w/o stack sub - no , choices are not gonna be any different , /tank is always extra defense , / buffer is self buffed char . I don't know , I think you are lost about the team spirit statement don't know what it means ...frintezza/valakas still not dead ...btw do you even play here ? I don't think you have an idea of what's going on here , lol main problem being nothing to pvp for .I don't wanna deviate from topic , coming back increasing retail lvl cap to 85 just does good to the game.further more if you guys feel if protections are too imba , just don't give protections , just skills will do too .but I don't feel it will do any imba .and kodex you noob always make a poll when you wanna suggest something moron .
Quote from: HouseIND on July 27, 2010, 02:36:46 AM
Heh , I just don't get you . First will anyone ever pvp with main class w/o stack sub - no , choices are not gonna be any different , /tank is always extra defense , / buffer is self buffed char . I don't know , I think you are lost about the team spirit statement don't know what it means ...frintezza/valakas still not dead ...btw do you even play here ? I don't think you have an idea of what's going on here , lol main problem being nothing to pvp for .I don't wanna deviate from topic , coming back increasing retail lvl cap to 85 just does good to the game.further more if you guys feel if protections are too imba , just don't give protections , just skills will do too .but I don't feel it will do any imba .and kodex you noob always make a poll when you wanna suggest something moron .
Ok will anwser your questions...
Yes ppl will pvp with main class, how do you think they do it on the official server ?
Choices will be different, it is always based on the new skills / passives.
The team spirit idea is based on the fact that with main class only you will need more chars/ppl and killing rb is not a solo event, but
even with subs you need a good team, so nvm.
Yes i do play here and if the subs go past 82 the gameplay will change and my good idea about pvp too and it will be another dn-server , only difference, no mutants multiple subs on a useless main char.
House, stealth prolly has a main class level 75 and subclass level 40. So ofc, there is a superb strategic element in playing his main class. Gz, play stealthily and bsoe when you see us.
Only thing is, I might have planned some of my subclasses differently if it went up to level 85. No big deal though, I can always make a new character.
@ stealth - You are either a guy who just started and is saying about pvp's in starting villages or a guy who has not yet created retail subclass+dn sub to it.
Basically, we wouldnt be able to kill any epic with our mains, simply because server is not so much populated! Thanks to stacksubs we have some PvPs, but surely it will be less every day cuz of ppl reaching lvl 80 100% and they will not want to only run and search for pvp.
Inceasing lvl cap to 85 would do only good things to this server. 80-85lvling takes hell of a time so people won't get bored so easily, therefore they will stay and play here. What is more - skills that comes with new lvls would make game a bit more interesting and worth-playing.
I disagree that mains become usless after just increasing lvl cap! They're pretty much useless now (useable only on oly), but it's also good. Once again - this server doesnt have 2k+ ppl online if we had only main classes to play, imo go to rpg-club with much better files and chronicle.
This server's based on substacking and we should be able to take maximum of our combo chars : )
Quote from: Akira on July 27, 2010, 10:27:02 AM
@ stealth - You are either a guy who just started and is saying about pvp's in starting villages or a guy who has not yet created retail subclass+dn sub to it.
Basically, we wouldnt be able to kill any epic with our mains, simply because server is not so much populated! Thanks to stacksubs we have some PvPs, but surely it will be less every day cuz of ppl reaching lvl 80 100% and they will not want to only run and search for pvp.
Inceasing lvl cap to 85 would do only good things to this server. 80-85lvling takes hell of a time so people won't get bored so easily, therefore they will stay and play here. What is more - skills that comes with new lvls would make game a bit more interesting and worth-playing.
I disagree that mains become usless after just increasing lvl cap! They're pretty much useless now (useable only on oly), but it's also good. Once again - this server doesnt have 2k+ ppl online if we had only main classes to play, imo go to rpg-club with much better files and chronicle.
This server's based on substacking and we should be able to take maximum of our combo chars : )
Ok your points about not enough ppl therefore let us kill epic with subs I can understand to a certain degree. 1 pt killing baium ?
My point about increasing the cap is that now ppl will have to change their choices again and level again. Not really fair when you
plan something ahead and in the end it is changed anyway to suite choose who probably were ob ting to have that cap removed.
When i started here I asked what the cap was, I should have made it more clear that I do not want that to be changed before I even
start here, otherwise I would have been more prepared.
wts l2 lessons, on every retail-like server, 1 pt killing baium. about lvl 85 skills, it would be just more interesting to use some HB skills if we play HB.
Quote from: k0dex on July 27, 2010, 12:17:50 PM
wts l2 lessons, on every retail-like server, 1 pt killing baium. about lvl 85 skills, it would be just more interesting to use some HB skills if we play HB.
agree again.
k0dex you failed with not adding a poll in this topic : P
a little /facepalm for ya
no1 cares about it:D
I do : (
And no one cares that you do? :P
Anyway; I'm gonna create a poll now.