Please keep this constructive:
Due to getting lots of PM's and seeing lots of forum posts about this we'll be addressing SPOIL ( as much as we can of it ). First thing and a easier thing is s-grade armor recipies spoil, lot of people report: some recipies spoil easy in large quantities, some spoil "normal" and some don't spoil at all. I don't do much spoiling of myself and I don't know what,where,who. People who do though .. please report MOB, spoil item and how the spoil rate is. Not just for recipies that are hard to spoil but also for recipies that spoil easy. It's because we wanna see what's the difference in drop list / drop rate. Please be real about it ...
eg: 5 hours spoil - ic boots - elpy - 12 recipies ( it's just an example .... )
3 hours spoil - ic helm - kasha wolf - 0 recipies
and so on
p.s. this won't mean we'll be making spoil that the market to be invaded with s-grade items but ideally (in my opinion) would be that 2 hours of spoil to yield 1 recipe of what you need.
Quote from: Drakina on August 25, 2010, 03:50:19 AM
Shining Bow shafts...
the monster on FOG (Scarlet Stakato Walker is now Scarlet Stakato Worker) all his drops are the same, but the shining shafts are no longer droped by this monster, and the drop calculator of dragon are not updated.
didn't checked by myself but it's a start (ok....not spoil but simple drop.... could be idea to put same mob of draco bow)
if it drop draco bow shaft & sining bow shaft...where is the problem?
crafting is a part of game
in valkiria there is already dynasty set around and for sure draconic bow etc.
shining bow is = draco...just different texture (better :D)
Quote from: Piccy on August 25, 2010, 02:47:15 PM
if it drop draco bow shaft & sining bow shaft...where is the problem?
crafting is a part of game
in valkiria there is already dynasty set around and for sure draconic bow etc.
shining bow is = draco...just different texture (better :D)
Take two e.g. HawkEyes shoulder to shoulder, the same lvl, the same equipment, the same buff, and you will se the difference ;) rotfl2000, so many noobs thinking that draco rulez, it sux permanently
Greets
Sory for spamming but couldnt resist, btw keep posting relpies about spoil ! I havent gone to FOG yet, but I can tell that dc robe, tallum gloves, dc/tal helmet spoil is way too low, two days of playing(app. 14h overally) and just 3 recipes of dc robe ? :F mobs were dying fast.. i spent there a lot of time from 61 - 67 and just 3 recipes.. madness...
I would like to start then:
5 hours spoil - maja helmet - alpen cougar (2x) - 0 recipies (it have 1/37 chance on 1x (pmfun), and we kill more then 300+ mob)
9 hour spoil - Ic gaiters - lavastone golem - 0 recipes (it have unbeliveble small chance to get)
10 hour spoil - draconic bow - blazing ifrit - 0 recipes
3 hour spoil - demon splitter - ibilis of destruction - 0 recipes
11 hour spoil - dc robe - alliance of splendor - only 2 recipes (its freaking hard to get)
PS.: And I'm happy to hear that you wanna make something with spoil.
Didnt go for S grade rec for now...But when I wanted DC robe pattern's I went stakato nest spoil 1/17 in 3H spoiled like 4 part's....
Another one:
4 hour spoil - staff of evil spirit - Gamlin - 0 recipes (4 hour spoil for a B grade weapon reci... Joke!)
I cant say how long i was spoiling exactly but anyways, here is just some result i had
From magma drake
I try spoil IC BP receipe wich has a 0.285% chance, you will get tons of Imperial staff receipe wich drop on a lower rate of 0.225%
From blazing ifrit
I try spoil DB rec wich has 0.427% chance, you will get tons of IC helmet receipe with a lower rate of 0.280%
and so on with the whole Fog
spoil is just luck
1 day was spoiling gamlins several hours: 0 SOES rec
next day got rec in 10 min
stop cry on forum, better log IG and try your luck
Please don't flame , spam in this topic. Also, please post some good spoiling so we check the difference between a good spoil and bad spoil.
It is possible to write here on forum if you chage the spoil rate of some recipe? Because I would like to try again if the you increase the spoil rate.
good spoil rate: 1/2 hour spoil - Ic helmet - Blasing ifrit - 1 recpie
Dark Omans - Nephilim royal guad - 3hours of spoiling - 1 EWA , 0 metallic fiber :D hahahahahaahaha....
FOG - Knight of destruction - 3h of spoiling and he shone blue ( being susceptible to sweeper skill ) just two maybe three times ! LOL what is wrong with that mob ?
arround 3h spoiling in fog
7 or 8 imperial staff rec, no IC bp receipe
arround 20 ic helmet receipe, no draco boots/bow receipe
well i spent realy lot of time at fog so here are my notices:
FOG
Necromancers spot, time spent there ~100Hours:
Mecenary of destruction: MA Boots recipe: 1
Knight of destruction: Arcana Mace recipe: 1
Necromancer of destruction(type A): BBH recipe: 15, Draco gloves recipe: 2
Necromancer of destruction(type B): Forgotten Blade recipe: 15, Draco helmet recipes: 3
Lavasaurus: DHA recipe: 4
Golem spot, time spent there ~40Hours:
Lavastone Golem: IC Gaiters rec: 1, Shining Bow rec: 1
Magma Golem: AM recipe: 0, MA gloves rec: 0
Forge Top Level, time spent there ~20 hours:
Ibilis of Destruction: Draconic Leather Armor rec: 2, Demon Splinter rec: 2
Ashuras of Destruction(type A): IC boots recipe: 30, AS recipe: 0
Ashuras of Destruction(type B): IC gloves recipe: 0, Saints Spear recipe: 1
Forge Lower Level, time spent there: ~40Hours>
Blazing Ifrit: IC helm rec: 25, Draconic bow rec: 0, MA robe reci: 1, EWS: 0
Elder Lavasaurus: IC shield reci: 4
Magma Drake (type A): Draco boots rec: 1, Heavens divider rec: 1, MA helmet rec: 0
Magma Drake (type B): Imperial staff rec: 15, IC Breastplate recipe: 1
I hope it will help you with debuging.
Trp
Blazing Ifrit -- spoil for 12 hours and i got :
Recipe: Sealed Imperial Crusader Helmet (60%) rate: 0.056 - 24 of this
Recipe: Sealed Major Arcana Robe (60%) rate 0.090 - 3 of this
Recipe: Draconic Bow (60%) rate 0.085 - 0 of this STRANGE HUH?
Magma Drake :
Recipe: Sealed Imperial Crusader Breastplate (60%) rate 0.057 - 0 of this
Recipe: Imperial Staff (60%) rate 0.045 - 12 ++ of this
If this helps in any way i can continue posting this "spoil problems"
The real problem is that the files we use un valkiria is identic to 15x , and there spoil was incomparable easyer , and gm`s there to stop the market from gowin` down (dont say market was crappy there , market becomed crappy after YEARS , and it was gm fault cos they did not make smth to destroy the excess of items , they tryed with the blessed event but they do whorse)
So i was sayn that some spoil rates was modified there , and the files here are modified. So , imagine how hard it is to get a good recipe , its much harder than official , i`ve played there spoiler .
I know gm`s will now say that the draco bow spoil rate is normal and the ic helm is faulty ... but we al know the truth.
I will axpect an answer to this.
I dont see the point of showing so many rates,hours spent there, bla bla bla. Its simple: increase the rate on all the very expensive recipes like Tallum Gloves,wich are 1/2 of set;dc robe where its 1/2 of set; MAJOR ARCANA BOOTS!!(im looking for recipe for 3 weeks now) because it represents 80% of the set price;ic bp and gaiters, where it represents 95% of set price...and so on.You dont need exact numbers. Go in the market and see what recipes are problematic in a set and fix it. If the MA boots spoil were fixed, the price will drop automatic, cuz now there isnt only one guy selling recipe every week, but 5 or 10. I hope u fix this.
All im saying is that in 5 parts set, each part should have price as any other. In a 4 parts set, middle 2x price of gloves,or boots, or w/e. I dont see the point of wasting time on calculations and stuff like that.Fix the spoil, or if u wanna fix it faster, put the recipes of the problematic S parts at 10k platinum, or 20k platinum, make it soulbound or smting, i really dont care. But there are so many ppl that wait for just one recipe for weeks.
is there anyway we can talk to server manager to increase drop rate?
Quote from: Nabz0r on September 01, 2010, 11:08:20 AM
I dont see the point of showing so many rates,hours spent there, bla bla bla. Its simple: increase the rate on all the very expensive recipes like Tallum Gloves,wich are 1/2 of set;dc robe where its 1/2 of set; MAJOR ARCANA BOOTS!!(im looking for recipe for 3 weeks now) because it represents 80% of the set price;ic bp and gaiters, where it represents 95% of set price...and so on.You dont need exact numbers. Go in the market and see what recipes are problematic in a set and fix it. If the MA boots spoil were fixed, the price will drop automatic, cuz now there isnt only one guy selling recipe every week, but 5 or 10. I hope u fix this.
All im saying is that in 5 parts set, each part should have price as any other. In a 4 parts set, middle 2x price of gloves,or boots, or w/e. I dont see the point of wasting time on calculations and stuff like that.Fix the spoil, or if u wanna fix it faster, put the recipes of the problematic S parts at 10k platinum, or 20k platinum, make it soulbound or smting, i really dont care. But there are so many ppl that wait for just one recipe for weeks.
Yeah dude
Jaila you are over thinking it ;D Just increase draco boots, ma boots and ic gaitters recepie spoil rate. Clan mates are trying to buy S sets, they have money, coins, everything, stones/crystals/jewels ready, and guess what, they cant find items or recepies for 3-4 weeks now ;D
IT'S NOT NORMAL, people should start selling dinasty parts and recepies already, not trying to make a low S set lol for 1 month.
It's 2010 people, the speed century, MOOOOOOOOVE FASTEEEEEEEEER
Quote from: Nabz0r on September 01, 2010, 11:08:20 AM
I dont see the point of showing so many rates,hours spent there, bla bla bla. Its simple: increase the rate on all the very expensive recipes like Tallum Gloves,wich are 1/2 of set;dc robe where its 1/2 of set; MAJOR ARCANA BOOTS!!(im looking for recipe for 3 weeks now) because it represents 80% of the set price;ic bp and gaiters, where it represents 95% of set price...and so on.You dont need exact numbers. Go in the market and see what recipes are problematic in a set and fix it. If the MA boots spoil were fixed, the price will drop automatic, cuz now there isnt only one guy selling recipe every week, but 5 or 10. I hope u fix this.
All im saying is that in 5 parts set, each part should have price as any other. In a 4 parts set, middle 2x price of gloves,or boots, or w/e. I dont see the point of wasting time on calculations and stuff like that.Fix the spoil, or if u wanna fix it faster, put the recipes of the problematic S parts at 10k platinum, or 20k platinum, make it soulbound or smting, i really dont care. But there are so many ppl that wait for just one recipe for weeks.
No, it is not that simple. on the drop lists most of these items have same % , we need the info to see why some drop and some don't.
P.S. when there's a cry forum about spoiling 300 people join and make 20 pages in 2 day, now when it's something constructive it's 2 pages in 1 week.
Quote from: jailaa on September 07, 2010, 02:38:47 PM
No, it is not that simple. on the drop lists most of these items have same % , we need the info to see why some drop and some don't.
P.S. when there's a cry forum about spoiling 300 people join and make 20 pages in 2 day, now when it's something constructive it's 2 pages in 1 week.
2 pages with most important things : ] do you think, everyone will go on their dworfs now and check out every mob spoil rate?
seriously, wtf.
Ppl complained about bad spoil, and there was all about what has been written here, and if you want more, fix what should be fixed on those 2 pages, then you will see ppl gladly checking out more mobs.
Oh Oh, and one more thing, you're waiting only for one week to get answers you wanted, and we've waited months to get some attention to this problem! So spare us lecture, and please give us some facts : ) cheers.
Quote from: jailaa on September 07, 2010, 02:38:47 PM
No, it is not that simple. on the drop lists most of these items have same % , we need the info to see why some drop and some don't.
P.S. when there's a cry forum about spoiling 300 people join and make 20 pages in 2 day, now when it's something constructive it's 2 pages in 1 week.
what more you expect ? everything important is at forge, so you got forge spoil problems at this thread.
btw if you want be constructive than Add mobs from Pagan/MoS/Primeval/HB/IOP to DN Drop Calculator. because how you can expect we will report BAD WORKING spoils when we have no idea how it should work CORRECTLY.
yea , it will be a great ideea to update the drop calculator.
i know its alot of work but that will prove that you care , otherwise how the sh1t can we know the correct drop/spoi rate here?
Quote from: ionutza on September 14, 2010, 08:11:41 AM
yea , it will be a great ideea to update the drop calculator.
i know its alot of work but that will prove that you care , otherwise how the sh1t can we know the correct drop/spoi rate here?
Update?!? There is no drop calculator for Valkyria in first place! There is for some serv that dont even exist though - Raven (10x), Judgement (50x), Luna (1x)
Quote from: tomogara on September 14, 2010, 10:08:10 PM
Update?!? There is no drop calculator for Valkyria in first place! There is for some serv that dont even exist though - Raven (10x), Judgement (50x), Luna (1x)
drop calculator is there, i was checking many spoils which are there and i can say its okey except this:
1.Custom Agrade recipes spoils arent working @ valky (i think its same at other servers)
2.Custom Sgrade recipes spoils arent working correctly
3.Mobs newer than C4 are not implemented at calculator. (HB, IOP, PI, Pagan, MOS)
Btw 95% of DN drop/spoil list is offilike with minor changes at rates, exceptions are only Sgrade recpies, S80 mats, S80 parts. (im not counting crap like Recipe: Maestro mold)
I know it would be extra work but i think its possible to upgrade old calc or make new one only for custom stuff. and it would be rewarded by big gratitude(donations mby^^) from community.
Drop calculator is outdated. Drops there do not fully apply to valkyrie.
Quote from: jailaa on September 15, 2010, 09:19:25 AM
Drop calculator is outdated. Drops there do not fully apply to valkyrie.
really ? ^^ and what are we talking about ? :D
so let me clear this, you are complaining that when there is constructive thread about spoils that people doesnt report what is not working but you are not able to give us some droplist or something we can use to compare if spoils are working or not, right ?
PS: i really would like to help you with this but you are not giving me opportunity to do that... :/
All was asked was average spoils of some items, the gm's will compare the droplists in the database and see where the fault is.
I'm not doing this for myself, I'm doing it for YOU, the players. If you don't care about this than I couldn't give a damn.
Quote from: jailaa on September 15, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
All was asked was average spoils of some items, the gm's will compare the droplists in the database and see where the fault is.
I'm not doing this for myself, I'm doing it for YOU, the players. If you don't care about this than I couldn't give a damn.
your job is to provide best service, help ppl in need, advertise server to gain more ppl, and actually care what works or not.
For some time I thought you're kinda good guy who wants to help, but lately you proved me wrong. Nice way of showing newcomers how GM's work here.
Quote from: Akira on September 15, 2010, 03:15:25 PM
your job is to provide best service, help ppl in need, advertise server to gain more ppl, and actually care what works or not.
For some time I thought you're kinda good guy who wants to help, but lately you proved me wrong. Nice way of showing newcomers how GM's work here.
1. Definitely not a "job"
2. If players don't care than I don't care
3. Oh I'm so hurt by what you think of me ...
Quote from: jailaa on September 15, 2010, 03:42:08 PM
1. Definitely not a "job"
2. If players don't care than I don't care
3. Oh I'm so hurt by what you think of me ...
+1 to all...Dunno why you still on this server tho :D
Quote from: 2Dark4You on September 15, 2010, 04:07:22 PM
+1 to all...Dunno why you still on this server tho :D
Yea yea when i said epic replies from him were "Cut an Onion QQ more "everybody flamed me......time shows everything.And btw regarding to previos post,why are you still here if you don`t care?
Edit: Quote is wrong.:P Last question is for jailaa
Quote from: jailaa on September 15, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
All was asked was average spoils of some items, the gm's will compare the droplists in the database and see where the fault is.
I'm not doing this for myself, I'm doing it for YOU, the players. If you don't care about this than I couldn't give a damn.
we did our best to inform you. but if we dont know what we can spoil how we can report?
for example we know that some S recipes are spoilable at MOS but we dont know which.
so you want reports like this? :
Divine advocate: 200 mobs killed:
DS recipe: 0
DB recipe: 0
AM recipe: 0
DHA recipe: 0
SS recipe: 0
AS recipe: 0
IS recipe: 0
HD recipe: 0
IC boots rec: 0
IC helm rec:0
IC bp rec: 0
IC gloves rec: 0
IC gaiters rec: 0
IC shield rec:0
Draco helm rec: 0
Draco boots rec: 0
Draco body rec: 0
Draco gloves rec: 0
MA robe rec: 0
MA boots rec: 0
MA helm rec:0
Ma Gloves rec: 0
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...
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is this what you want ? if yes than please search medical help.....
TRP, be careful, dont make JAILA 'agro'......he/she will start replying with pictures(I miss that) :o
so , leaving the flames at a side for the moment...
i play with spoiler , i wanna know what drop calculator applys here . Is it to much to ask? NO , SPOIL IS NOT RETAIL LIKE !!! SPOIL RATES ARE MODIFIED TO SUIT 15x BUT HERE SPOIL IS 3x
I ask to much if i say i want gm`s to take a look on the rates? its not 1 millon mobs...is 20 mobs max in all fog !
It's FoG like fog... but if u ask me I just stopped this place for spoiling. To many dead mobs, to many NOTHING from it. I am old Raven player, there was no problem like here but as I can see noone gives a piece of SH1T about it. So thanks for NOTHING till this time.
Regards
Quote from: Wintersun on September 16, 2010, 06:46:37 PM
It's FoG like fog... but if u ask me I just stopped this place for spoiling. To many dead mobs, to many NOTHING from it. I am old Raven player, there was no problem like here but as I can see noone gives a piece of SH1T about it. So thanks for NOTHING till this time.
Regards
hope dies last ...
on dragonNOTwork thinks always moved slow...
hopefully it will be fixed!
Hope? There is no hope. Only hate. But let me think, I didn't want to make this topic like spam machine. Spoil is a fakin important thing here (so why in all hell noone can take care about it?).
Quote from: Wintersun on September 16, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Hope? There is no hope. Only hate. But let me think, I didn't want to make this topic like spam machine. Spoil is a fakin important thing here (so why in all hell noone can take care about it?).
Cuz we dont have ppl to do it...Just gm's who ban for l2w or boting....
Quote from: za on September 16, 2010, 01:41:42 PM
TRP, be careful, dont make JAILA 'agro'......he/she will start replying with pictures(I miss that) :o
i dont like using harsh words at him but im starting to be pissed off by this situation. there are ppl which actually WANT HELP GMs with their work without any reward but they dont get simple math formula:
For 2-3 hours of your work on list and we will do 1000 hours of work for you.
(25 active spoilers * 40 hours of spoiling in 2-3 weeks each = 1k but i think it will be even more)
PS: btw, by spoil list i mean ONLY something simple like list only with mobs which have DN-Custom spoils...
Quote from: nolimits on September 16, 2010, 08:45:01 PM
i dont like using harsh words at him but im starting to be pissed off by this situation. there are ppl which actually WANT HELP GMs with their work without any reward but they dont get simple math formula:
For 2-3 hours of your work on list and we will do 1000 hours of work for you.
(25 active spoilers * 40 hours of spoiling in 2-3 weeks each = 1k but i think it will be even more)
PS: btw, by spoil list i mean ONLY something simple like list only with mobs which have DN-Custom spoils...
so true. ppl are willing to help FOR FREE . but there`s no1 there to listen.
I've tried to work on this issue many times, on more than one server....
I think the real answer to why they don't seem to care is this:
/target mob(GM)
/useskill DONATE
You have aquired item you would have made if you could spoil mats/recipes off ingame mobs
Quote from: nolimits on September 16, 2010, 08:45:01 PM
i dont like using harsh words at him but im starting to be pissed off by this situation. there are ppl which actually WANT HELP GMs with their work without any reward but they dont get simple math formula:
For 2-3 hours of your work on list and we will do 1000 hours of work for you.
(25 active spoilers * 40 hours of spoiling in 2-3 weeks each = 1k but i think it will be even more)
PS: btw, by spoil list i mean ONLY something simple like list only with mobs which have DN-Custom spoils...
I don't have access to the drop list and Torn/Descent will not give access to the drop list. This is the best I can do. You want more ? Take it up with Torn
Quote from: jailaa on September 17, 2010, 08:56:09 AM
I don't have access to the drop list and Torn/Descent will not give access to the drop list. This is the best I can do. You want more ? Take it up with Torn
yes , but maybe you could explain to torn for us , maybe you read the forum more oftten , maybe you realize that this is killing economy , maybe you /care more . this is what you can do.. if torn gived you power to use //ban i am sure that it will listen to you if you tell him that there is a problem with his server.
Quote from: ionutza on September 17, 2010, 10:21:08 AM
yes , but maybe you could explain to torn for us , maybe you read the forum more oftten , maybe you realize that this is killing economy , maybe you /care more . this is what you can do.. if torn gived you power to use //ban i am sure that it will listen to you if you tell him that there is a problem with his server.
+1
you stole me my thoughts ;)
problem in spoil is some recipes are much easier spoilable than others, even tho rate on dn calculator says differant (good example here is imperial staff recipe vs imperial crusader breastplate)
so now your choices are, leave it as it is, increase spoil on ic bp (and other recipes like that) or decrease rate of imperial staff (and other useless things like that)
because like someone said, atm each set needs 1 or 2 parts (ic set = gaiters + bp, draco set = boots and helm, arcana set = boots), the other parts are more or less free and their recipes are near useless
we would like that all parts would have around same value, now if you want to make all spoils as easy as other recs or hard as hell, is another choice, i just wanna say that not everyone wants it really easy to get stuff (because then everyone has it), so please do not make ic bp/gaiter as easy to spoil as imperial staff atm is
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while you are at trying to make a better economy, can you also please check Adena, why is adena becoming so useless, when i started playing here, price of a donator coin was 20-25kk and now it started rising and rising
it's even more than 200kk now and looks like it keeps rising
on infinity, which has a x5 adena drop rate, a coin is 650kk, but the server is way older, it had big adena exploits in past, some big fail at donation manager (you could sell coin for 200kk) and alot of botting
so i don't know how is it possible, that here on not so old server, with x3 drop rate, adena is already becoming worthless to pick up
so please check that, maybe it's from anomic foundry, maybe from chimeras (if so, i would suggest to lower adena drop rate from those mobs), maybe ur bronze coin system, maybe adena exploit, no idea but i don't think it's normal
WP it is normal. i think solution could be rising adena limit to 99,99 kkk like NCSoft did in more recent chronicles so adena would get its price again cos now everything with price 2kkk+ is tradeable only for coins.
Quote from: nolimits on September 18, 2010, 12:06:15 PM
WP it is normal. i think solution could be rising adena limit to 99,99 kkk like NCSoft did in more recent chronicles so adena would get its price again cos now everything with price 2kkk+ is tradeable only for coins.
or add gold like Arena has, that might be less work.
will be done, when? Soon - 2012 is coming fast : P
Quote from: Horknuth on September 18, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
You are nuts ppl! THIS IS x9 LOL ! If u wanna easy server , there is a lot of high rate server's ! I spoil on shaodw x10 IC gloves rec for arroun 2 weeks LOL !
we all glad for you ,now read again topic and get point what ppl wrote
And are u planing to fix this spoil rates ? and if yes tell us some info about that
Quote from: Makedonec on September 24, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
And are u planing to fix this spoil rates ? and if yes tell us some info about that
Quote from: Akira on September 18, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
will be done, when? Soon - 2012 is coming fast : P
;D