Since p atac, atac speed and dmg was not i expected with crossbow (even it was Icarus) in compare to other archers
i decided to make some tests
trickster/doombringer and ghost sentinel/spectral dancer
-chars with same echip
-no certification skils
NO BUFFS:
Ghost Sentinel
p atac:3185
a speed:570
Trikster with crosbow
p atac:2291
a speed:467
with bow
p atac: 2332
a speed:538
Conclusion
difrence in
p atac ~=1000
atac speed~=100
Trikster has less p atac and atac speed with crossbow( class weapon ) then with bow
when in full buffs difrence is even bigger see below
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8848/1darknobuff.th.png) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1darknobuff.png/)
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5313/2kamaelnobuff.th.png) (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/2kamaelnobuff.png/)
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4711/21kamaelnobuffbow.th.png) (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/21kamaelnobuffbow.png/)
with BUFFS:
Ghost Sentinel
p atac:4569
a speed:1180
Trikster
p atac:3179
a speed:967
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4346/3darkbuff.th.png) (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/3darkbuff.png/)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1273/4kamaelbuff.th.png) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/4kamaelbuff.png/)
buffs+self buffs
Ghost Sentinel
p atac:4769
a speed:1057 (lower becose of dead eye skill)
Trikster
p atac:3533
a speed:1170
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2239/5darkbuffself.th.png) (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/5darkbuffself.png/)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3258/6kamaelbuffself.th.png) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/6kamaelbuffself.png/)
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/574/7kamaelbufffinalself.th.png) (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/7kamaelbufffinalself.png/)
difrence between bow and cross bow icarus
bow:normal atac speed
crossbow:slow atac speed
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3061/9spitter.th.png) (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/9spitter.png/)
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6863/8shooter.th.png) (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/8shooter.png/)
In conclusion i think somethink is wrong with Trikster stats mabe crossbow masterries do not aply or atac speed with cross bow should be bigger or bouth
If u could buff Trister a little bit would be great
ps:thx for fixing change weapons skill
GMs have improved IC bows but forget about crossbows
crossbow is weaker than bow (p. attack) and its normal
but the crossbow should be faster than any bow
Icarus Bow r edited on DN, it have normal speed when it should be slow like official.
But Icarus Crossbow is the same like other servers, so when u transform ur Bow into Crossbow u get the real status of that weapon instead of an edited one.
Yea and u played normal wepon vs edited..... no comm :|
fs archers will cannot be learned no matter if i am in trickster stats or doombringer stats
Quote from: Sp3ctre on January 08, 2011, 12:29:18 PM
fs archers will cannot be learned no matter if i am in trickster stats or doombringer stats
Archers will cannot be learned by other classes who are supposed to be able to learn it either.
ok wts archers will :)
trikster is archer and should be able to learn it like the rest of archers
Quote from: Sp3ctre on January 08, 2011, 12:36:08 PM
ok wts archers will :)
trikster is archer and should be able to learn it like the rest of archers
not just archers should be able to, but their the only who can.
Thx God that trickster have debuff Real Target...
Quote from: Diver on January 09, 2011, 08:08:34 AM
Thx God that trickster have debuff Real Target...
is not so great, actually is not worthing to be used
it adds 100-200 dmg per hit even when u crit so better u hit 1 more nortmal time then lose time to use this debuf
is shoudl be 30% more dmg
IC crossbow is totally buged
today tests:
1.
Attack speed should be normal NOT slow (for DN)
2.
P attack is lower with IC crossbow then with DB+7 crossbow witch is not normal
since p attack of IC+3 bow > DB+7
3.
Critical rate with crossbow IC = DB crossbow = 239 witch is not normal
since critical rate of IC+3 bow > DB+7
IC+f+3 crossbow (increases critical attack with 116)
p atac 2347
crit rate 239
DB+f+7 crossbow (increases critical attack with 88)
p atac 2447
crit rate 239
check screens:
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9189/1crossbowic.th.png) (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/1crossbowic.png/)
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/634/2crossbowdb.th.png) (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/2crossbowdb.png/)
4.
RAPID ATTACK skil from kamael is somethink like RAPID SHOT from other classes archers
the difrence is that rapid attack is replaced by haste buf or chombat haste potion when on other races rapid shot stacks with
haste buff or chombat haste potion
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2818/5rapidattack.th.png) (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/5rapidattack.png/)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7250/6rcombat.th.png) (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/6rcombat.png/)
skill equal to rapid shot = fast shot
crossbows should have faster reuse then bows(dunno if it's possible on DN right now)
dmg w/o real target ~2k with real target 2,6k so i think it works good
IC Shooter p.atk could be incresed to 422 as in Gracia (if i'm not wrong)
also all archers have lvl1 passive boost atk spd (kamaels don't)
have You ever try Final Form buff ?
wanna play archer then take sr/pr/he, trickster is only support for them
Quote from: QuadCore on January 10, 2011, 02:05:23 AM
skill equal to rapid fire = fast shot
crossbows should have faster reuse then bows(dunno if it's possible on DN right now)
dmg w/o real target ~2k with real target 2,6k so i think it works good
IC Shooter p.atk could be incresed to 422 as in Gracia (if i'm not wrong)
also all archers have lvl1 passive boost atk spd (kamaels don't)
have You ever try Final Form buff ?
wanna play archer then take sr/pr/he, trickster is only support for them
rapid fire(sr skill) = fast shot(arbalester skil) u re right and the skill works good
the problem is RAPID ATTACK(arbalester) =RAPID SHOT(sr skill and other archers)
rapid attack is removed with haste buf or combat haste potion
when rapid shot is not and from here arbalester have less attack speed then silver ranger
when he should have more due the less power attack
Quote from: QuadCore on January 10, 2011, 12:28:29 PM
about the rapid attack lvl1 skill, you obtain it at lvl 10 kamael female soldier class, do You rly expect it to work like a rapid fire from SR ?
ofc not check again what i said
fast shot(arbalester skil) = rapid fire(sr skill)
RAPID ATTACK(arbalester) =RAPID SHOT(sr skill and other archers)
rapid attack should stack with haste buff ( or combat haste potion) like rapid shot does
Quote from: QuadCore on January 10, 2011, 03:03:44 PM
ok, then plix also add 108 power to wind strike -.- ... so it will work like hurricane
mabe my comparation was no the best but
check those screens
http://img513.imageshack.us/i/5darkbuffself.png/
http://img408.imageshack.us/i/6kamaelbuffself.png/
Ghost Sentinel
p atac:4769
a speed:1057
Trikster
p atac:3533
a speed:1170
diffrence of more then 1k p attack for 100 attack speed this is a joke
by making Rapid Attack stack with haste buff could make this class playeble
Quote from: Diver on January 09, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
is shoudl be 30% more dmg
i check today is working as it sould be
Things to be fixed:
1)
rapid attack - stack with haste buff(combat haste potion)
2)
boost attack speed lvl 1 passive - like all archers
3)
fs archer's will - possible to be learned by arbalester
4)
warp - fix
5)
icarus shooter crossbow -fix p. attack / a. speed / reuse
Track u did fix lots of things lately can u check kamael too?
Ps:i know fixes take time but a small change like 1) or 2) would rly make a big diffrence to arbalester class that now sux big time
Quote from: QuadCore on January 11, 2011, 06:11:24 PM
gushh ... u rly think it's all about atk.spd ? check SR, does his atk.spd make him uber ? imo not at all
rapid attack = haste buff lvl 1 that's how it and there's nothign wrong with it
i bet GM can't add too much power to kamael coz in Final Form he would be a way too much OP
if u play archer
or even more if u play arbalester
u would know that
there are archers with 9k p atac or with 2k atac speed
witch even in final form u wont get as kamael (check the screens i post already)
final form has been nerfed already and the reuse is too big to be rly usefull
and if u die final form will disapear and u will die becose all are targeting u - u look big and bad :)
the things i sugested to be fixed were not meant to make this class op (is far from beeng op) but make it more normal
ps:about rapid attack = haste buff lvl 1 - take it as u want,i said already that mabe my comparation was no the best
so lets see rapid attack as it is - a self buff that add some atack speed
this class need a boost on p attack or(and) attack speed and by staking rapid attack with haste buff this class can get that boost
Things to be fixed:
1)
rapid attack - stack with haste buff(combat haste potion)
2)
boost attack speed lvl 1 passive - like all archers
3)
fs archer's will - possible to be learned by arbalester
4)
warp - fix
5)
icarus shooter crossbow -fix p. attack / a. speed / reuse
bump
Yep this fixes would be great. Trickster SHOULD be an OP archer but it's bugged to the bone ... a PR can kill it faster than you can think. Not to mention that kama has lower p.atack/atack spd/p.def/m.def than 90% of archers used on NM