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Title: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Rudi on February 02, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
Does any1 here own a SSD drive? Because i really wanna know if there is such a big different between SSD and HDD?

here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBSqQEPNoD8


I read that problem with MMO games is that textures are loading from hard drive and not from memory drive, thats why MMO`s are getting lagged on massive population. Im not sure if that is true, im just saying what i read.  ;D
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: TomekAlmighty on February 02, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
bump
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: QuadCore on February 02, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
ram drive > all
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/47896/1136300739.jpg)


http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-ram-v-flash.html
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Deathsoul on February 02, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
SSD are much better then HDD, but the prices and capacitity of the current SSD's are ridicilous.... Better buy 1TB harddrive then 60GB solid state drive


infact, buy 2 same 1TB harddrives, and put them in RAID0
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on February 02, 2011, 06:03:51 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 02, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
Does any1 here own a SSD drive? Because i really wanna know if there is such a big different between SSD and HDD?

here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBSqQEPNoD8


I read that problem with MMO games is that textures are loading from hard drive and not from memory drive, thats why MMO`s are getting lagged on massive population. Im not sure if that is true, im just saying what i read.  ;D
SSD is the best what you can get on the market for the moment, but my advise is to wait like 4months more +/- price drop will be huge for the moment you pay basically 1,5e-1gb which is insane ! So my advise is wait with SSD drive for now.

Meanwhile check out Seagate Momentus XT  , its something like BEST BUY for the moment price/specs vise. If you wanna check some review start from here etc... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss98VdhSj0
Small hint, Momentus XT (32mb cache ofc) have a memory sectors on its surface so more often you actually use some sectors of HDD (example l2) it will work faster and faster.
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: TomekAlmighty on February 02, 2011, 06:52:34 PM
Also the Crucial C400 should be coming out soon!(February) 415mb/s read, 95-260mb/s write

So the price should drop (i hope xD)... Anyways i was just thinking about getting a 64GB SSD and just use it for installing windows, some programs and some games on it. Everything else can still be on the HDD.

The Momentus XT that Track suggested looks pretty interesting too  :)
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Rudi on February 02, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
Everything is cool, but what i want to know is if this is true what is showing a video or is fake? :D
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Deathsoul on February 02, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
Dont know if its true, but i dont say its not possible becasue it is :P
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on February 03, 2011, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: Rudi on February 02, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
Everything is cool, but what i want to know is if this is true what is showing a video or is fake? :D
Why would be a video like that be fake? --.--
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Rudi on February 03, 2011, 12:22:57 PM
Its a single video of L2 :D
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: weapon_zero on February 03, 2011, 12:43:20 PM
you will notice a huge benefit from playing lineage off an ssd drive.
<2 secs loading times in between towns, no more "micro lags" as content gets loaded while you walk around. you will not want to go without one once you ve experienced it. sandforce chipset powered drives are definitely a good buy for gamers.
however ssds tend to degenerate as time goes by, means loose performance the more you move and delete files around. new drives support the trim feature to overcome this issue. this however does not work with drives which use an internal raid-0 to additionally boost throughput. so make sure to check about your desired drive´s specifications.
if an ssd seems to expensive for you or you wish a steady, fast drive which remains at top performance while you swap around lots of data everyday, a wd (veloci)raptor is a good alternative. raptors do the trick as well for lineage. :)

btw you can also increase l2s internal cache (means less reloading given you have enough ram) through editiing l2.ini (experienced users only).
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on February 03, 2011, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: weapon_zero on February 03, 2011, 12:43:20 PM
you will notice a huge benefit from playing lineage off an ssd drive.
<2 secs loading times in between towns, no more "micro lags" as content gets loaded while you walk around. you will not want to go without one once you ve experienced it. sandforce chipset powered drives are definitely a good buy for gamers.
however ssds tend to degenerate as time goes by, means loose performance the more you move and delete files around. new drives support the trim feature to overcome this issue. this however does not work with drives which use an internal raid-0 to additionally boost throughput. so make sure to check about your desired drive´s specifications.
if an ssd seems to expensive for you or you wish a steady, fast drive which remains at top performance while you swap around lots of data everyday, a wd (veloci)raptor is a good alternative. raptors do the trick as well for lineage. :)

btw you can also increase l2s internal cache (means less reloading given you have enough ram) through editiing l2.ini (experienced users only).
Thats why i suggested Seagate Momentus XT 32c. at this point too...
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: weapon_zero on February 03, 2011, 01:03:27 PM
yup it s supposed to be comparable to a velociraptor. one thing that bothered me is that i couldnt find information on the normal access time of that drive anywhere (well while using the internal 4gb flash it s close to 0 obviously but while not -i suppose it s higher than a raptors :)). anyways probably a smart choice too for the more budget oriented enthusiast.
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Piccy on February 03, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
still fighting Vs .ini to find cache size :D since ? y year :D

btw, also increase cpu frequency help a damn lot !!!
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Rudi on February 03, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Thats you and track on that photo?
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: JoeDoe on February 03, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 03, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Thats you and track on that photo?

XDD
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: Piccy on February 07, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
if anyone wanna check this.....

some test about "what effect l2 gameplay"

http://translate.google.it/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://forums.goha.ru/showthread.php?t%3D220867

result?
60% fast hdd (maybe a partitioned one dedicated to l2 of if u can ...a SSD)
FAST CPU !!!! ( l2 is old. just matter SPEED and good architecture -------> superpi under 15 sec will help u :D)
rest.... is 0

and is not a matter of connection
from here i can play from a "new" e8400 @3.9ghz, hdd with starting partition of 20gb dedicated to l2 , and simple 4850
i was at siege with 1920x1080 at medium/high setting and in siege i was at 18-25 fps

on the other pc athlonx2 4800 (2.9ghz) and not partitioned disk at 1680x1050 i had freeze and average was 10-15 fps with CLIENTSIDE lag of 2-5 sec

sorry for amd but this time they failed.


Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: weapon_zero on February 08, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
as commonly known l2 is best off with a high cpu frequency rate on a single core, and yeah used to run much better with intel based cpus. although since the phenom 2 this aint true anymore.

overall to cut it short what you want to have when playing l2:
1. overclocked cpu: core2duo, phenom 2, corei5/i7
2. real fast harddrive with low access time(!)
3. 4 gb of ram (i dont see any benefit from more though it never hurts)
4. gfx card: geforce 96xx or radeon 37xx or above
5. programmable input device
6. a clean os install with little to noone trash apps running besides. frankly my 32bits xp sp2 delivers the most with l2. 1-2 secs loading time with sandforce ssd on oc´ed i7. though win7x64 lets me use those 12gigs of ram for l2 it still only comes in second... xD

also the best comprehensive lecture on how to optimize l2 are the threads done by doczenith/ladyzenith on several l2 server boards (googlesearch is your friend).
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: =^TrackZero^= on February 08, 2011, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: weapon_zero on February 08, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
as commonly known l2 is best off with a high cpu frequency rate on a single core, and yeah used to run much better with intel based cpus. although since the phenom 2 this aint true anymore.

overall to cut it short what you want to have when playing l2:
1. overclocked cpu: core2duo, phenom 2, corei5/i7
2. real fast harddrive with low access time(!)
3. 4 gb of ram (i dont see any benefit from more though it never hurts)
4. gfx card: geforce 96xx or radeon 37xx or above
5. programmable input device
6. a clean os install with little to noone trash apps running besides. frankly my 32bits xp sp2 delivers the most with l2. 1-2 secs loading time with sandforce ssd on oc´ed i7. though win7x64 lets me use those 12gigs of ram for l2 it still only comes in second... xD

also the best comprehensive lecture on how to optimize l2 are the threads done by doczenith/ladyzenith on several l2 server boards (googlesearch is your friend).
4. gfx card: geforce 96xx or radeon 37xx or above  (Personally i wold add also if possible gfx cards with 1gb ram of their own)
Title: Re: SSD vs HDD
Post by: TomekAlmighty on February 08, 2011, 09:27:33 PM
And if you have something like me (Dell inspiron 9400 laptop):
-Intel core 2 T5600 @ 1.83GHz     - gay! 
-5400 rpm HDD   -ULTRA GAY!!!
-2 giga ram
-Geforce go 7900gs

Close everything thats running in the background with task manager except L2 (heard it also helps if you close explorer.exe- didnt test it yet xD)

-gonna replace my HDD with a 60giga SSD - ocz vertex 2 extended soon... (not just cuz of L2 xD)

Im wondering how much of a difference would it make to play L2 on win xp or win 7...