First at all, I would have to thanks the GM Staff for trying to balance the server but I believe a mistake has been done on this particular case and me explain you why.
With the current scenario "p atk reduced", a Prophet+Hawkeye could get killed in a pvp by a NON SUBBED Hawkeye with the same buffs, equipment and certifications, so my question is where is the point on having a prophet+hawkeye since in the DNET rules we are allowed to have 1 bot as a support player? For example pph+dancer?
The advantages of a prophet+warrior is that you should get higher p atk due to weapon mastery, higher defense, higher m def plus some passive skills, but with the current FIX you have downgraded a SUBBED PPH+HE to be as NON SUBBED Hawkeye.
Each subclass combo has different advantages, tanks+something obviously got higher defense, elemental summoner+mage obviously have higher casting speed, but pph/wl+warrior SHOULD have some advantages as well, otherwise what is the point of stacking subclasses?
Please take this in consideration as if you do want a balanced server you should RESPECT each subclass combo advantage, or just delete the unique subclass system and let it be as retail as you have particullary done with Mages+Warriors.
It is just common sence.
Thank you
lol
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
First at all, I would have to thanks the GM Staff for trying to balance the server but I believe a mistake has been done on this particular case and me explain you why.
With the current scenario "p atk reduced", a Prophet+Hawkeye could get killed in a pvp by a NON SUBBED Hawkeye with the same buffs, equipment and certifications, so my question is where is the point on having a prophet+hawkeye since in the DNET rules we are allowed to have 1 bot as a support player? For example pph+dancer?
The advantages of a prophet+warrior is that you should get higher p atk due to weapon mastery, higher defense, higher m def plus some passive skills, but with the current FIX you have downgraded a SUBBED PPH+HE to be as NON SUBBED Hawkeye.
Each subclass combo has different advantages, tanks+something obviously got higher defense, elemental summoner+mage obviously have higher casting speed, but pph/wl+warrior SHOULD have some advantages as well, otherwise what is the point of stacking subclasses?
Please take this in consideration as if you do want a balanced server you should RESPECT each subclass combo advantage, or just delete the unique subclass system and let it be as retail as you have particullary done with Mages+Warriors.
It is just common sence.
Thank you
+1 same glad/pp xD
Quote from: Ivenn0 on June 22, 2011, 10:50:50 PM
+1 same glad/pp xD
my ty/wc had around 8/10k p atak full bufed and still iw as hitting max 2.5 k so what dmg i`ll make now on tanks ?;x but always some noobs must cry and they change smth. When on HB all make sub with tanks u didnt nerf them so why u nerf now chars + support sub ...
Quote from: qwertyzxc on June 22, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
my ty/wc had around 8/10k p atak full bufed and still iw as hitting max 2.5 k so what dmg i`ll make now on tanks ?;x but always some noobs must cry and they change smth. When on HB all make sub with tanks u didnt nerf them so why u nerf now chars + support sub ...
GM staff this is not a fix, this is not a nerf either
What you have done is the mage+warrior subclass completly useless, literally we are closed to an UNSUBBED warrior since there IS NO BENEFIT over the warrior class but buffs (we can get them from our DNET allowed bot)
Think about this, you have destroyed the mage+warrior type subclass but not the tank+warior, not the elemental summoner+mage, not the warlord+warrior, and any other subclass type.
The fact here:
Subclass Combo
Tank+Warrior result: either the warrior class got benefits from tank class or tank class got benefits from warrior class.
Tank+Mage result: the mage class gets benefits from tank buffs and skills
summoner+mage: transfer of pain, casting speed and reuse delay and cubics are given as bonus due to stacking subclasses.
Warrior+Warrior: same thing, stacking skills or passive skills for example th+he boost atk speed and critical dmg and rate are increased as well as evasion and speed.
But what about mage + warrior?
Havent you realized that you have literally desotryed this subclass comobo? the benefits SHOULD be p atk and atk speed as well as m def, thats why many of us picked this particular subclass comobo.
GM Team, I know youre trying to balance the clases but put it this way, each subclass combo has its own benefits and what you have done is literaly destroyed the mage+warrior BENEFITS, so what is the point now of having a pprophet+warropr?
Quote from: R3mm on June 23, 2011, 04:46:40 AM
so what is the point now of having a pprophet+warropr?
for selfbuff and mystic immunity
Quote from: Kotlet on June 23, 2011, 05:46:07 AM
for selfbuff and mystic immunity
And when was a different situation?
Just verrrry long time ago, with that masteries stack.
PS The only mistake is that with this Gracia update the stack was "missed" and some ppl were happy to walk around with some bugged status for a short period. Glad that was fixed.
Quote from: qwertyzxc on June 22, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
my ty/wc had around 8/10k p atak full bufed and still iw as hitting max 2.5 k so what dmg i`ll make now on tanks ?;x but always some noobs must cry and they change smth. When on HB all make sub with tanks u didnt nerf them so why u nerf now chars + support sub ...
it's not fuking nerf, it's fuking fix u crying dumbass
u got like 5k patk from nowhere and u thought it'll stay that way, they removed it in c4 for a reason... or lets give everyone bonus 5k p/m atk and we can play counter strike, who shoots first wins... seriously
Quote from: BRexoo7 on June 23, 2011, 07:48:06 AM
And when was a different situation?
Just verrrry long time ago, with that masteries stack.
PS The only mistake is that with this Gracia update the stack was "missed" and some ppl were happy to walk around with some bugged status for a short period. Glad that was fixed.
Exactly , its a FIX not a nerf jesus, did you really tought 25k is normal? Seriously WTF
Quote from: stanko on June 23, 2011, 09:03:54 AM
it's not fuking nerf, it's fuking fix u crying dumbass
u got like 5k patk from nowhere and u thought it'll stay that way, they removed it in c4 for a reason... or lets give everyone bonus 5k p/m atk and we can play counter strike, who shoots first wins... seriously
Again +1
P.S. Stanko stop begging people on maxchit0rz to give you working l2w etc.. is quite lame what are you saying there.
Quote from: TrackZero on June 23, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Exactly , its a FIX not a nerf jesus, did you really tought 25k is normal? Seriously WTFAgain +1
P.S. Stanko stop begging people on maxchit0rz to give you working l2w etc.. is quite lame what are you saying there.
nah they are full of viruses, i have my own now xD
anyway its not fixed becose now HE/PP got lower p atk then in helbound lol (+/- 700 p atk low)
Quote from: sirSethan on June 23, 2011, 12:33:39 PM
anyway its not fixed becose now HE/PP got lower p atk then in helbound lol (+/- 700 p atk low)
Maybe you had higher than normal pattack in HB, you ever thought at that? :D
Quote from: R3mm on June 22, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
First at all, I would have to thanks the GM Staff for trying to balance the server but I believe a mistake has been done on this particular case and me explain you why.
With the current scenario "p atk reduced", a Prophet+Hawkeye could get killed in a pvp by a NON SUBBED Hawkeye with the same buffs, equipment and certifications, so my question is where is the point on having a prophet+hawkeye since in the DNET rules we are allowed to have 1 bot as a support player? For example pph+dancer?
The advantages of a prophet+warrior is that you should get higher p atk due to weapon mastery, higher defense, higher m def plus some passive skills, but with the current FIX you have downgraded a SUBBED PPH+HE to be as NON SUBBED Hawkeye.
Each subclass combo has different advantages, tanks+something obviously got higher defense, elemental summoner+mage obviously have higher casting speed, but pph/wl+warrior SHOULD have some advantages as well, otherwise what is the point of stacking subclasses?
Please take this in consideration as if you do want a balanced server you should RESPECT each subclass combo advantage, or just delete the unique subclass system and let it be as retail as you have particullary done with Mages+Warriors.
It is just common sence.
Thank you
tanks ud are nerfed to dont be overpowered, you see any1 crying? so you shouldnt also cry
im glad that stacking masteries got fixed
your adventage is that you have always prophet buffs (this is why you choose this sub i think), he/wl will have bigger patack cuz of wl skills and so on (i dont have to count)
About the fix I won't comment because this fix was since c4.But why the hell now we got less p.atak ( round 600-800 ) and less a.speed than in hellbound.In hellbound stacking masteries were fixed to so I don't get the point why it's less p.atak and a.speed now.About a.speed I can't remember the exact value maybe someone knows with he/pp.
Quote from: reddragonjr on June 23, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
About the fix I won't comment because this fix was since c4.
its fact. It was needed in C4, or in IL because most of the players had shitty A-grade sets. The archers stacking masteries was really pain in the ass.
But whats now? Ppl have dyna/Dnet sets -> higher pdef, lots of archer resistant/shield buffs, PUD and so on -> drastically lower archer dmg and we have enough slots for this buffs. The icarus attackspeed got lower too. Mages have much higher mattack, pdef, the fighters mdef is the same like ages before. So the difference between fighter and mage classes got lesser. Why do we really need so much archer nerf? I dont talk about this fix, but about skill nerfs.
Quote from: Enerilla on June 23, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
its fact. It was needed in C4, or in IL because most of the players had shitty A-grade sets. The archers stacking masteries was really pain in the ass.
But whats now? Ppl have dyna/Dnet sets -> higher pdef, lots of archer resistant/shield buffs, PUD and so on -> drastically lower archer dmg and we have enough slots for this buffs. The icarus attackspeed got lower too. Mages have much higher mattack, pdef, the fighters mdef is the same like ages before. So the difference between fighter and mage classes got lesser. Why do we really need so much archer nerf? I dont talk about this fix, but about skill nerfs.
I know, but what can we do....he/pp got no advantage from sub it's just a he with pp buffs that's it.
Quote from: reddragonjr on June 24, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
I know, but what can we do....he/pp got no advantage from sub it's just a he with pp buffs that's it.
Thats why the mages have to fight against so much tank instead of fighter/support. Maybe its better for them :)
Just let us rest in piece.