Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf ? they are too overpowered!
kk lets flame Me now :) and q.q!
flame ;P
Anyway archer vs dagger is almost this same. I hit th/pp for 4k on self and only luck of dagger is that bacstab dont take of cp just hp.
But if u wanna nerf daggers i dont be cry :D :D :D
+1 for topic
Quote from: Evolution on July 10, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf ? they are too overpowered!
kk lets flame Me now :) and q.q!
Nah, my dmg is allright. No need to nerf anything.
Quote from: Evolution on July 10, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf ? they are too overpowered!
kk lets flame Me now :) and q.q!
yay! Brand new stolen signature, how delightful. You could've at least write your nick in the same font so it won't be that awfully clear it is actually stolen. But nevermind, nothing less to expect from you. :D :D :D
Quote from: Evolution on July 10, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf ? they are too overpowered!
kk lets flame Me now :) and q.q!
GG i am most op daggerist ingame we pvp 10 min till i could kill u
quit the QQ all is nice atm
better start use some skillz instead of f1 f1 f1 thats wont work any moar
L2Pnap.
fock dagger nerf SH lolz :D
9k dmg normal hit (2k m def + good resist wind)
Quote from: andreww on July 10, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
GG i am most op daggerist ingame we pvp 10 min till i could kill u
quit the QQ all is nice atm
better start use some skillz instead of f1 f1 f1 thats wont work any moar
f1 f1 f1 ? daaamn i have attack + stun + slow in one macro wow ;D :D :D :D ps. i waist for u about 2x 4K mana ::)
ps2. yes And we PvP 10min cuz i run till A goddart ::) for not get backstabs for 5-6k ::) from u especialy maybe for 10k or more don'T test ::) but i mean almost all daggers with simple AS+6 or more can make damage for 6-7k don't tell me is dagger and archer is same now cuz its bullsh1t :P ps. q.q m0ars and flame more. :D
Quote from: Ashlynn on July 10, 2011, 12:54:07 PM
yay! Brand new stolen signature, how delightful. You could've at least write your nick in the same font so it won't be that awfully clear it is actually stolen. But nevermind, nothing less to expect from you. :D :D :D
i rly miss or dumb answers :D
Quote from: FeelmyBow on July 10, 2011, 12:13:09 PM
Nah, my dmg is allright. No need to nerf anything.
ps. y puffa ur dmg is allright No need nerf ;) :)
:D
Damn man, there is such option as edit .. dont post 3 posts in a row..
Quote from: windoo on July 10, 2011, 05:51:54 PM
Damn man, there is such option as edit .. dont post 3 posts in a row..
if ppl don't qq About post cuz they dont have agree. then they post about replay posts ;D funny, more plx...
Quote from: andreww on July 10, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
GG i am most op daggerist ingame we pvp 10 min till i could kill u
quit the QQ all is nice atm
better start use some skillz instead of f1 f1 f1 thats wont work any moar
nothing to add.
The QQers king has spoken!
Oh c'mon, I don't play since...well, I don't even remember, but as far as I know this is 99,9% as in official as everybody wanted (at least skills) so you've gotta adapt and search for a solution instead of start crying like a baby. I hope GMs do nothing about skills if they really are as in offi.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 10, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
The QQers king has spoken!
Oh c'mon, I don't play since...well, I don't even remember, but as far as I know this is 99,9% as in official as everybody wanted (at least skills) so you've gotta adapt and search for a solution instead of start crying like a baby. I hope GMs do nothing about skills if they really are as in offi.
+1
Quote from: andreww on July 10, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
GG i am most op daggerist ingame we pvp 10 min till i could kill u
quit the QQ all is nice atm
better start use some skillz instead of f1 f1 f1 thats wont work any moar
agreed, nerf brokie and leave me alone ;D
it's funny cause in this server it's all about daggers / archers discussions
other classes don't exist "!" or "?" i think "!" & "?"
Dont exist?
What about sps/ee ? xd
Quote from: DKociak on July 10, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
u are pathetic...gm made ur char and equip , and now u are proud how fantastic u are...
Since we are entering the last stage of building Gracia Final update let me hint you with more news before official release
This update will include inside all chronicles fixed so you will get full fixed (Interlude, Hellbound, Gracia pt 1, Gracia pt 2, Gracia final), so all things that didn't work so far or they did work but totally wrong or custom made they will be fully off. working and fixed.
All things that you knew about l2 forget it, and start learning how things will work. If you find things that work differently (correct) from a previous version don't report it instantly as a "bug", make sure you followed all official instructions about it (quests, skills , raid path,etc...)
As some of you already heard , i will confirm it now, we will start this mega update 1st on Valkyria x9 server they will get 1st the update itself, after tests , error reports etc... we are planing to update whole network (don't ask ETA on this cause it all depends of the Valkyria so it can be short if stability is on required level) but more about it when we actually up it.
So since we are near download the required client (its in loader) and prepare yourself for upcoming update, and once again my ADVISE to all DN players to start reading official site how things works , else you will be quite lost, in the end you have to read past 4 years of updates. I will try help you with 1 link that i found useful , so make sure you get informed on time:
Quote from: cerebelo on July 11, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
it's funny cause in this server it's all about daggers / archers discussions
other classes don't exist "!" or "?" i think "!" & "?"
Bigger +1 then anyone else disserves in this topic.
Imo the only solution is on cut down all dmgs in pvp from every char, it would be much more funny.
Is sad to see he hit for 12k perma and daggers oneshot whit one BS whit 9k...
Quote from: Fui on July 11, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Imo the only solution is on cut down all dmgs in pvp from every char, it would be much more funny.
Is sad to see he hit for 12k perma and daggers oneshot whit one BS whit 9k...
OFC said by someone that don't have any of these character...
big lol at this topic.
Daggers on Gracia Final r rly good to play, some will say they OP but the main point is how to play against then.
If u wanna let dagger hit on ur back, fell free to QQ here, but the problem isnt the dagger it's just ur lack of knowledge about how daggers play. On pvp's they can be strong, some will say HIDE is OP cause when it appears 1 player will die, but ofc none remembers to use Detect Hide skill. Also mages can use cancel, skills to decrease speed and run from dagger.
On oly ofc they will be rly powerfull, in some pvp's they r good (on places like TOI or FOG where u cant kite properly) but on sieges they r not big deals, it's easy to handle then.
Also people QQ abour daggers but forget that Brokie and Puff have rly good daggers with full att and a lot of people dont even have lvl 6 on their armors and atm att makes a lot diff on pvp.
Quote from: Fui on July 11, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Imo the only solution is on cut down all dmgs in pvp from every char, it would be much more funny.
Is sad to see he hit for 12k perma and daggers oneshot whit one BS whit 9k...
but why all chars ?
Some classes will be ussles.
Quote from: Fui on July 11, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Imo the only solution is on cut down all dmgs in pvp from every char, it would be much more funny.
Is sad to see he hit for 12k perma and daggers oneshot whit one BS whit 9k...
The damage is fine imo i play on HE/WK in last siege weekends and i made rly big hits in some classes, but most of then i'm sure they wasnt buffed properly to play against archer with full att on weapon, some classes r supossed to make high damage on others, that's how NCSoft made this game.
Most of people still have low att on their sets and a lot of people have full att on their weapons, so it's normal that some classes r making huge damage on pvp and others r not.
Take for example people using old icarus bow, all of then r with full att and when they hit people on new DNET Vespers they will make huge damage, even if the person is a tank class (f.e i made hits for 1.5k on sieges in some PA/HE using DNET Vesper and made hits for 800 in some others that were using DNET Dynasty)
Quote from: Weezer on July 11, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
The damage is fine imo i play on HE/WK in last siege weekends and i made rly big hits in some classes, but most of then i'm sure they wasnt buffed properly to play against archer with full att on weapon, some classes r supossed to make high damage on others, that's how NCSoft made this game.
Most of people still have low att on their sets and a lot of people have full att on their weapons, so it's normal that some classes r making huge damage on pvp and others r not.
Take for example people using old icarus bow, all of then r with full att and when they hit people on new DNET Vespers they will make huge damage, even if the person is a tank class (f.e i made hits for 1.5k on sieges in some PA/HE using DNET Vesper and made hits for 800 in some others that were using DNET Dynasty)
y for sure u make ur "huge dmg" with ic+16 ::) btw w/e..
Quote from: Evolution on July 11, 2011, 08:26:42 PM
y for sure u make ur "huge dmg" with ic+16 ::) btw w/e..
Ofc i make huge damage with IC+F+16, now if some nerf happens dont think about my bow or Tyia's, think about shit damage people with IC+10 gonna make.
All people complain about OP chars or OP weapons, but forgot that only have few on server, about IC+F+16 just 2 and about OP chars isnt the char but all included on package (set + char skills + weapon + player skills), isnt possible to nerf 1 char only, but a whole class, that will make a lot of chars useless to play.
If u nerf dagger cause brokie or puff u wont just affect then, u will affect the whole class of daggers and will make other daggers useless and believe me brokie and puff still be able to pwn on pvp/oly.
first i dont mean brokie and puffA i mean all daggers with even simple AS+5/6/7/8 ... and plz dont tell me bullsh!ts use skills or ur low skilled... cuz before Gracia daggers dont make so huge dmg from blows... Gracia came and now they can kill for 3-4 simple blows/backstabs.
ps. any more qq/flames dont tell me its end... ::) :-[
Quote from: Evolution on July 11, 2011, 11:03:55 PM
first i dont mean brokie and puffA i mean all daggers with even simple AS+5/6/7/8 ... and plz dont tell me bullsh!ts use skills or ur low skilled... cuz before Gracia daggers dont make so huge dmg from blows... Gracia came and now they can kill for 3-4 simple blows/backstabs.
ps. any more qq/flames dont tell me its end... ::) :-[
Before Gracia we had bugged HB chronicle, a lot of things wasnt working or was nerfed like Focus Power, now we have full Gracia Final, with same things like official, and on GF daggers r rly good classes to play on oly or pvp. On sieges forget that if u know who to handle with then u gonna kill then easily.
And i rly doubt that daggers with AS+8 even full att can make huge damage like Brokie and Puff, i must say that on last sieges everytime we faced daggers they was killed and most of time none from my pt died.
As i said before problem isnt dagger class, but how people need to handle with then. Most people thing that his char it's just F1 and forget to use other skills, even mages can handle good daggers, but ofc u need to be full buffed and know how to kill a dagger.
Quote from: Weezer on July 12, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
Before Gracia we had bugged HB chronicle, a lot of things wasnt working or was nerfed like Focus Power, now we have full Gracia Final, with same things like official, and on GF daggers r rly good classes to play on oly or pvp. On sieges forget that if u know who to handle with then u gonna kill then easily.
And i rly doubt that daggers with AS+8 even full att can make huge damage like Brokie and Puff, i must say that on last sieges everytime we faced daggers they was killed and most of time none from my pt died.
As i said before problem isnt dagger class, but how people need to handle with then. Most people thing that his char it's just F1 and forget to use other skills, even mages can handle good daggers, but ofc u need to be full buffed and know how to kill a dagger.
+1.
i have da/th and i have killed some guys with it "just using Clean AS+3", time ago dagger was nerfed, now is working like it should, some times having 2.8k of m def being DA and using defeclt magic, i get hits from mages for 2 or 3 k and i really dont qq, you just need to learn to play ur char, see what buffs u need and to get a good gear and weapond (with that i mean make them full attr) qq is easy, pvp is harder, and will get more harder when u donate for everything and dont learn to play ur char.
Quote from: Weezer on July 12, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
Before Gracia we had bugged HB chronicle
beter say server was NOT BALANCED since merge.
Ppl from x30 (even noobs) make 2x bigger dmg then ppl from x5 (and even thei got lower or this same equptm)
Now all is balenced if u look about servers. Problem now is with atributes power and enchating skils
Quote from: DKociak on July 11, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
make same bow and hit that same
As i understood it was just a reflection for the "damage is fine". I think he wanted to tell "yes, the damage is fine with a bow like yours, but not for average items" :)
Quote from: Enerilla on July 13, 2011, 08:29:07 AM
As i understood it was just a reflection for the "damage is fine". I think he wanted to tell "yes, the damage is fine with a bow like yours, but not for average items" :)
+1
Quote from: VforVanilla on July 11, 2011, 02:52:09 PM
OFC said by someone that don't have any of these character...
I've got pw/tk and now i'm playing aw/pr so trust me that i have both of classes that i nominated...
I know that char what i'm playing atm have low def etcetc in fact i asked if someone other got same damages from that ppl and i was not the only one.. also sws whit Dnet H full attr was hitted 10k for an HE and 7k from a TH and i still think it can't be normal thing...
Ewwwwww so much hate here.
Ewww deadly you and brokie (sry if i've made midstake in nick ;P) are op
anyway i dont really wish to .. nerf anyone.
Quote from: windoo on July 13, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
Ewww deadly you and brokie (sry if i've made midstake in nick ;P) are op
anyway i dont really wish to .. nerf anyone.
Tbh, there is also a reason besides gear wich makes us "OP".
Yes we got great gear (Dagger is enchanted by a loco friend of mine with HUGE cojones) but still.
Its not just about spamming stabs and pray for a crit. Its about changing tactics versus different classes, making use of the skills you have and learning what skill to use in what time.
This makes the dagger combination FAR more deadly then the stabs itself.
Quote from: FeelmyBow on July 13, 2011, 08:24:49 PM
Tbh, there is also a reason besides gear wich makes us "OP".
Yes we got great gear (Dagger is enchanted by a loco friend of mine with HUGE cojones) but still.
Its not just about spamming stabs and pray for a crit. Its about changing tactics versus different classes, making use of the skills you have and learning what skill to use in what time.
This makes the dagger combination FAR more deadly then the stabs itself.
+1 ,loled at HUGE Cojones.xD
Quote from: Luthor123 on July 13, 2011, 08:35:16 PM
+1 ,loled at HUGE Cojones.xD
lol, its true ;D He said "I will buy Dyn+CD+16 and ill play Dagger class" (He got bored after playing it for ~ 1h and bought EWS).
If that aint balls then i dunno.
Quote from: FeelmyBow on July 13, 2011, 08:47:43 PM
lol, its true ;D He said "I will buy Dyn+CD+16 and ill play Dagger class" (He got bored after playing it for ~ 1h and bought EWS).
If that aint balls then i dunno.
and who made to +16? ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: lUterusl on July 14, 2011, 12:08:36 AM
and who made to +16? ::) ::) ::)
And who helped you with it? ??? ???
Quote from: FeelmyBow on July 14, 2011, 12:17:25 AM
And who helped you with it? ??? ???
u helped? how? :DD
mark gived me that lucky ews and took me to that lucky place after u said * w8 me, i want to see that * :D
btw, Mark <3 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: mark_elesse on July 14, 2011, 12:36:18 AM
:D you're on the pics i'v posted, right beside me :D ballz0r nr2 <3 :D
u r still raping on nm, my lovva? :D
Quote from: FeelmyBow on July 13, 2011, 08:47:43 PM
lol, its true ;D He said "I will buy Dyn+CD+16 and ill play Dagger class" (He got bored after playing it for ~ 1h and bought EWS).
If that aint balls then i dunno.
or meybe "i buy dyna +cd+16 from track" ?:D
Becose if im wrong earlier wasnt any dyna +16 :P
Quote from: mark_elesse on July 14, 2011, 09:12:36 AM
and here's to watch you fail again :) the upper mentioned dagger is 100% clean made from zero to +16 by Utherus :) we made it red together, then i pimped it up to 17. so ye "meybe Becose you r wrong ". tardjinglish rapes imo : <
what a tiny envious hater twat you are :)
@ Utherus: well imo, im playing time to time on sieges and local pvp's if i got in the MSN warning line by some homie. Gave up on the server lately, mostly cause of the Gracia thingies [ which are kinda hatred ((c)Benne<3 ) by me ] and hey, its summer i guess...least its damn hot around here, so im wasting my time @ the beach with tonnes CubaLibre and Caipirinha in my pretty face :D
what's going on with you? daggers raping kinda hard imo, you should come back on that seksiseks pale elf slut ( pw/sws one...) to teach twats like Sethan to show some respect to ppl who achieved 1000% more ingame, then he ever will.
p.s.: Benne, if you read this, show some love !
I'm kinda forget everth on dagger :<< And btw, no more s.ex for ya, i sold my pw/sws :D
I will see mb with time...
Well yeah, same sh1t here :D Summer rox 8)
Screenshots would be nice...
Shouting here without any proof is rather retarted.
Also i would like to remember you guys that some of these stabs are critical skills which do 2x the damage.
It's the same as saying OMG this mage hits me for 3k!! while in fact he does like 1,5k normal dmg!
Quote from: sirSethan on July 14, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
or meybe "i buy dyna +cd+16 from track" ?:D
Becose if im wrong earlier wasnt any dyna +16 :P
No comment.... Dont hate on others cause you cant achieve shit yourself.
Oh wait, you did achieve something. You subbed 1 char after playing 3 years!!!!!!!!
GREAT SUCCESS! (c) to Ensign
Quote from: thehunted on July 14, 2011, 12:08:35 PM
Screenshots would be nice...
Shouting here without any proof is rather retarted.
Also i would like to remember you guys that some of these stabs are critical skills which do 2x the damage.
It's the same as saying OMG this mage hits me for 3k!! while in fact he does like 1,5k normal dmg!
in fact the mage crit multiplier is not 2 :P
Quote from: Enerilla on July 14, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
in fact the mage crit multiplier is not 2 :P
that was example ::)