So I can't figure out will there be mutants ?
I could read this :
""Stack-Sub System
*This is unique trademark originally made by Dragon-Network , I don't have to spend words about it. This is what it is, old c4 style. No dwarf mutants allowed , they are nice yes, but horrible
to balance."
Old c4 style means mutants allowed, but still no dwarf mutants means we will be able to make mutants except Dwarf/XX ?
Or by "horrible to balance" means there will be no mutants at all ?
yeah , I'd like to know also how exactly sub system will work.
Quote from: KheopsDZ on December 26, 2013, 03:44:15 PM
So I can't figure out will there be mutants ?
I could read this :
""Stack-Sub System
*This is unique trademark originally made by Dragon-Network , I don't have to spend words about it. This is what it is, old c4 style. No dwarf mutants allowed , they are nice yes, but horrible
to balance."
Old c4 style means mutants allowed, but still no dwarf mutants means we will be able to make mutants except Dwarf/XX ?
Or by "horrible to balance" means there will be no mutants at all ?
Stack-Sub System
*This is unique trademark originally made by Dragon-Network , I don't have to spend words about it. This is what it is, old c4 style.There will be no mutants anymore, you will be able to cross sub only with your own race, because we want to avoid overpowered combos impossible to balance too.
What about retail ? Will u be able to choose DN-sub from same race u toke retail? for example:
If I am HE/Pal , and toke retail PR - will I be able sub it to PR/BD?
Quote from: SmokeJaguar on December 26, 2013, 03:51:02 PM
What about retail ? Will u be able to choose DN-sub from same race u toke retail? for example:
If I am HE/Pal , and toke retail PR - will I be able sub it to PR/BD?
yes
also no mutant's like pp/bd, wc/sws and so on ?
Quote from: HugeTits on December 26, 2013, 04:11:38 PM
also no mutant's like pp/bd, wc/sws and so on ?
of course, no race cross subs at all.
Quote from: ^Artur^ on December 26, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
of course, no race cross subs at all.
Artur, u`ve brave avatar.
Now i got confused....
I'll be able to stack-sub only my main or only one time or main and all retail-classes? (No mutants or cross race.... sure)
example.....
Main -> "He" | Substack -> "PP" (Here the main) (what I expected)
Main -> "He" , Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the retail subclass stack) (What I learned on the replies of this post)
Main -> ""He" | Substack -> "PP", Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the main substack and retail substack, If this is right..... I assume all Retail-Class would get substack too right?) (This what I got confused)
Quote from: Big on December 26, 2013, 04:32:09 PM
Now i got confused....
I'll be able to stack-sub only my main or only one time or main and all retail-classes? (No mutants or cross race.... sure)
example.....
Main -> "He" | Substack -> "PP" (Here the main) (what I expected)
Main -> "He" , Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the retail subclass stack) (What I learned on the replies of this post)
Main -> ""He" | Substack -> "PP", Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the main substack and retail substack, If this is right..... I assume all Retail-Class would get substack too right?) (This what I got confused)
Main can be sub-stacked on main`s race, retail can be sub-stacked on retail`s race.
Quote from: Big on December 26, 2013, 04:32:09 PM
Now i got confused....
I'll be able to stack-sub only my main or only one time or main and all retail-classes? (No mutants or cross race.... sure)
example.....
Main -> "He" | Substack -> "PP" (Here the main) (what I expected)
Main -> "He" , Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the retail subclass stack) (What I learned on the replies of this post)
Main -> ""He" | Substack -> "PP", Retail-Class -> "TY" | Substack -> "WC" (Here the main substack and retail substack, If this is right..... I assume all Retail-Class would get substack too right?) (This what I got confused)
looks right
Quote from: mr_Facke on December 26, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
Artur, u`ve brave avatar.
Thank you :)
Quote from: mr_Facke on December 26, 2013, 04:36:09 PM
Main can be sub-stacked on main`s race, retail can be sub-stacked on retail`s race.
Yeah but all at same character?
I mean....I'll be able to create a character like
He/PP -> Main
Ty/Wc -> First Retail
Pal/Th -> Second Retail
EE/Sps -> Third Retail
Quote from: Big on December 26, 2013, 05:46:07 PM
Yeah but all at same character?
I mean....I'll be able to create a character like
He/PP -> Main
Ty/Wc -> First Retail
Pal/Th -> Second Retail
EE/Sps -> Third Retail
Yup seems legit :D.
Sux ... Better let ppl make all combos etc like that it's boring I would like play again ne/ee Nd do on
Quote from: mrialinda on December 26, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Sux ... Better let ppl make all combos etc like that it's boring I would like play again ne/ee Nd do on
True but its really hard to balance mutants, I'd really like to play them too tbh...
Quote from: mrialinda on December 26, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Sux ... Better let ppl make all combos etc like that it's boring I would like play again ne/ee Nd do on
And after 4 weeks , nerf mania starts because mutants are impossible to balance? Or you prefer some SICK combos with 1 hit army in hands?
However you can play in different skin and surprise your opponents!
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 26, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
And after 4 weeks , nerf mania starts because mutants are impossible to balance? Or you prefer some SICK combos with 1 hit army in hands?
However you can play in different skin and surprise your opponents!
well dont nerf anything and all are happy nerfs always freaked this game , but nvm lost alrdy will to try this server since u cant make mutants
Quote from: mrialinda on December 26, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
well dont nerf anything and all are happy nerfs always freaked this game , but nvm lost alrdy will to try this server since u cant make mutants
If you don't nerf some combos (and their skills which affect others) you will have players dying from 1 hit (max 2) , and its not good. Mutants = Pandora box that waits to be opened , nothing else.
Ok.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 26, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
If you don't nerf some combos (and their skills which affect others) you will have players dying from 1 hit (max 2) , and its not good. Mutants = Pandora box that waits to be opened , nothing else.
Ok.
u should remember that the special thing of dn was the mutants
Yes and u should also remember that they were capped at 80th lvl in next chronicles for some reason. Mutants were cool, but they did more harm than good.
Rlly will be better for server if gm's do a bit more work and keep mutants...
Quote from: Nickelback on December 26, 2013, 07:04:54 PM
Yes and u should also remember that they were capped at 80th lvl in next chronicles for some reason. Mutants were cool, but they did more harm than good.
When max level is >80 they are accepted "kinda", but in our scenario they are simply unacceptable.
That's what i meant.
Mutants are evil.
Quote from: mrialinda on December 26, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
well dont nerf anything and all are happy nerfs always freaked this game , but nvm lost alrdy will to try this server since u cant make mutants
Hello,
Is impossible to not "nerf" if we add mutants. If we let it retail you will see people playing only some combos around the server that with 1-2 hits kill all. And of course we will need to balance that (aka nerf), but if we do that people will complain (" my char is not ok anymore, they destroyed xx/yy class because of this nerf ) . That why we decided to remove 'mutants' and let it only retail/retail play.
Thank you!
There will be some des/pal, tyr/pal with totems working on blunts xD
Or some pr/glad or wl combo or he/sws or bd xD
the only thing its not good is for making some support bots like pp/bd and sws/wc...
Quote from: ^Xarion^ on December 27, 2013, 05:07:18 AM
If we let it retail you will see people playing only some combos around the server that with 1-2 hits kill all.
You mean Destro/Pr, to be exact
Quote from: MaraZmo on December 27, 2013, 06:03:40 AM
You mean Destro/Pr, to be exact
Not only, it can be others too. The idea is that we don't want that 1-2 hit killers.
May be, you can allow only certain classes on retail, not main, to be crossed?
Like wc/bd, wc/sws, spoiler/tyr...
Or is impossible to make for only few selected classes? :)
Quote from: Vengeance on December 27, 2013, 06:57:24 AM
May be, you can allow only certain classes on retail, not main, to be crossed?
Like wc/bd, wc/sws, spoiler/tyr...
Or is impossible to make for only few selected classes? :)
its not impossible, but as they said ~> there will be no mutants
i also would like to make one, but its better without em
cant wait :D
Quote from: mrialinda on December 26, 2013, 06:57:34 PM
u should remember that the special thing of dn was the mutants
I wanted to help you dude. It seems that you are not aware or experience this kind of system. Please try to play and study if you're suggestion is suitable. Your perceptions can make the server dead with in 1-3 months, I'm sure. So please, before you suggest read other threads or search on uncle Google. OK?
Quote from: Vengeance on December 27, 2013, 06:57:24 AM
May be, you can allow only certain classes on retail, not main, to be crossed?
Like wc/bd, wc/sws, spoiler/tyr...
Or is impossible to make for only few selected classes? :)
For the moment we want no mutants but I will take in consideration your idea and we will post if something changes.
Quote from: kramligz on December 27, 2013, 07:34:18 AM
I wanted to help you dude. It seems that you are not aware or experience this kind of system. Please try to play and study if you're suggestion is suitable. Your perceptions can make the server dead with in 1-3 months, I'm sure. So please, before you suggest read other threads or search on uncle Google. OK?
and who are u? Funny is that Dragon started to die when mutants was useless if u can use only normal retail is boring will be same like on x15 now almost all play Same classes ob mutants i doubt All will make a 1 Hit Chat , there are many combos... And if I want make a 1 hit combo I can easy make tyr/des
Quote from: mrialinda on December 27, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
and who are u? Funny is that Dragon started to die when mutants was useless if u can use only normal retail is boring will be same like on x15 now almost all play Same classes ob mutants i doubt All will make a 1 Hit Chat , there are many combos... And if I want make a 1 hit combo I can easy make tyr/des
We respect your opinion but we made the decission. There are plenty of reasons not to allow mutsnts.