Poll
Question:
Do you want raidboss status on webpage?
Option 1: Yes (as we have for dragon x15)
votes: 96
Option 2: No
votes: 192
As in topic.
I consider raidboss timers as part of the meta-game, and a "pvp" element. Having them out in the open is a bad idea.
It's rly bad idea to put RaidBoss Status, you have to play to know spawn. Nothing comes easy.
Quote from: ChujoZord on January 09, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
It's rly bad idea to put RaidBoss Status, you have to play to know spawn. Nothing comes easy.
33 votes in cca 5 minutes ? Gosh ... DN United!
Just give us the respawn times and random windows of the raids at the beginning, but we don't need any more info than that, like live status updates etc...
Quote from: ChujoZord on January 09, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
It's rly bad idea to put RaidBoss Status, you have to play to know spawn. Nothing comes easy.
+1
Quote from: nbx on January 09, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
Just give us the respawn times and random windows of the raids at the beginning, but we don't need any more info than that, like live status updates etc...
+10
Quote from: nbx on January 09, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
Just give us the respawn times and random windows of the raids at the beginning, but we don't need any more info than that, like live status updates etc...
+1 no raid status at all, just respawn time+random is enough. I/we dont want everything served on a silver plate
Quote from: nbx on January 09, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
Just give us the respawn times and random windows of the raids at the beginning, but we don't need any more info than that, like live status updates etc...
This
Quote from: ChujoZord on January 09, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
It's rly bad idea to put RaidBoss Status, you have to play to know spawn. Nothing comes easy.
agree
i voted no, but please dont make huge random respawn, most of the ppl now work (as far as i can see most of the ppl that will join are old DN players,so not kids anymore)
just put like +-1 for normal bosses and a bit more for epics (i'd say barakiel 12hrs +-1)
Quote from: ChujoZord on January 09, 2014, 10:21:42 PM
It's rly bad idea to put RaidBoss Status, you have to play to know spawn. Nothing comes easy.
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vote No btw a shorter respawn time could be sweet
Quote from: nbx on January 09, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
Just give us the respawn times and random windows of the raids at the beginning, but we don't need any more info than that, like live status updates etc...
+ 16
shorter respawn dont change anything, just ppl will get items faster.
Quote from: PanMarcin on January 09, 2014, 11:30:43 PM
shorter respawn dont change anything, just ppl will get items faster.
not shorter respawn, only the random would be shorter (so you wont have to camp hours and hours, and that means also more pvp later on)
I say NO.
Because back in our days ( LOL ), we managed to climb up cause we invested the effort. Having spychars on every raid, not just the biggest ones, a guy that keeps checking them day/night to alarm others so we can get them before an enemy can even notice the spawn, etc.
And you want what, some webpage where I can click and see all raid status? I mean I cannot replicate what we did back then, but the same time I want people that do show this kind of effort and dedication to reap benefits and own. I do not want to sabotage that and force them to H24 farmers to keep any advantage.
Also NO to any faster spawning or decreasing random spawn and such, no, just not. Anything that would allow people to get to top gear easier is NO.
This is again, not an inconvenience (like stacking stuff in inventory or 2KKK adena limit), but a thing that would make the game easier. NO to anything that makes the game easier. Thats why I don't play modern MMO's or newer L2, it is too much "suck and still win" centric.
make respawn time 1 hour + 24 hours random
give small aggro range to all bosses
make all bosses invisible until they aggro on someone
so that RB farmers can finally have some fun
Quote from: Alex on January 10, 2014, 12:18:04 AM
make all bosses invisible until they aggro on someone
so that RB farmers can finally have some fun
Ahahaha PLEASE DO THAT!
Quote from: Garn. on January 09, 2014, 11:04:12 PM
(i'd say barakiel 12hrs +-1)
oh pls dont make it 12+1 there will be no fun at all
dont make it 24+12 as well ppl have rl life
i vote for the same respan like on dragon http://www.dragon-network.net/?panel=panel_playersdata
I vote for YES and the reasons are pretty important and imho wins over the "let's not have it because is nostalgia!"
advantages WITHOUT it:
a) nostalgia? and lack of sleep for fair players.
disadvantages WITHOUT it:
a) afk camping with screen analyzer software for pixels and a stone over F1 macro with /target nameboss
b) exclusive control by a single party because they know when it died so they can calculate easily the respawn time (well known) and anticipate it (go there 1min before the minimum respawn and wait knowing it will respawn while no other player knows)
advantages WITH it:
a) no chance by a single party to control the boss by knowing only themselves the last death time
b) more PVP in that area as everyone knows when the boss died so they all can gather there at the "minimum respawn time" and start fight meanwhile the boss spawns.
c) less damaged keyboards from stones glued over (see disadvantage A of first list)
disadvantages WITH it:
a) no idea... no nostalgia (sort of)
Quote from: =drake= on January 10, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
advantages WITH it:
a) no chance by a single party to control the boss by knowing only themselves the last death time
b) more PVP in that area as everyone knows when the boss died so they all can gather there at the "minimum respawn time" and start fight meanwhile the boss spawns.[/b][/color]
/agree
Quote from: =drake= on January 10, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
I vote for YES and the reasons are pretty important and imho wins over the "let's not have it because is nostalgia!"
advantages WITHOUT it:
a) nostalgia? and lack of sleep for fair players.
disadvantages WITHOUT it:
a) afk camping with screen analyzer software for pixels and a stone over F1 macro with /target nameboss
b) exclusive control by a single party because they know when it died so they can calculate easily the respawn time (well known) and anticipate it (go there 1min before the minimum respawn and wait knowing it will respawn while no other player knows)
advantages WITH it:
a) no chance by a single party to control the boss by knowing only themselves the last death time
b) more PVP in that area as everyone knows when the boss died so they all can gather there at the "minimum respawn time" and start fight meanwhile the boss spawns.
c) less damaged keyboards from stones glued over (see disadvantage A of first list)
disadvantages WITH it:
a) no idea... no nostalgia (sort of)
I vote yes as well. I encounter this problem back when I am at phoenix. I want to do my retail sub class quest by killing raid bosses at TOI but I have no idea when it is killed and when it will respawn. Yeah! I know the formula of the respawn time but how did I compute if I have no value for the last respawn. It was very hard for me then since I can only play 4-5 hours a day because of my work.
I really appreciated you guys (GM) by raising this topic. Two thumbs up. Keep it up.
- Just to add that Retail boxes will remain spawned ~10 minutes now, instead of 3 what was default. So everyone can reach in time, or at lest high chance you will catch them.
i think RB panel have refresh on every 1 hour so if rb spowned before this hour who camp it he will catch it
Quote from: igi on January 09, 2014, 10:30:31 PM
+1 no raid status at all, just respawn time+random is enough. I/we dont want everything served on a silver plate
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Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 10, 2014, 02:36:06 AM
- Just to add that Retail boxes will remain spawned ~10 minutes now, instead of 3 what was default. So everyone can reach in time, or at lest high chance you will catch them.
That is, out of all, actually an idea I agree with.
Definitely not. Just don't.
I think that rb status is good idea if it will be like 12h + maxx 6 random, and if there will be info refresh only after RB dying. That will be fair for players who gonna spend their life on farming rb: they can cach it and only after they kill it the status will be changed, and the same for players wich wonna play normaly and cant spend few weeks to cach barkiel or golka or any other rb, hey just can plan their own game time...
Anyway those who gonna farm RB will do it anyway no matter of rb status or etc, but it will be easyer to the rest of players and more pvp fun there (especially if there will be pvp zone). There will be no 1 ty\de with full afk supports and kill rb 1x1, if more ppl will know about +/- spown time there will be more ppl there and those who will be faster/stronger/smarter will get the price...
Wait, what? Are we talking about regular bosses or Epics? Cuz i'd vote yes for normal rb and no for epics.
i vote + for all rb i hate to made 5 acc summoner/spyes
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on January 09, 2014, 10:18:43 PM
As in topic.
dont care about web rb status (prefer w/o it tho), but the only thing i care about RB, start server with all RB/EPICS DEAD. Dont favor players who can nolife together with server start. Let them wait for it.
NO for me . If we gona bring the "old fun" back , then it has to follow the "old rulez" .
Quote from: Garn. on January 09, 2014, 11:04:12 PM
i voted no, but please dont make huge random respawn, most of the ppl now work (as far as i can see most of the ppl that will join are old DN players,so not kids anymore)
just put like +-1 for normal bosses and a bit more for epics (i'd say barakiel 12hrs +-1)
huge +1 on reduce random times. it is not fun to wait 12h -24h waiting for a spawn... when ppl have work times etc.
I also vote YES, if a rb status is up it will be more fun for all, instead of the nolifers that only know the times.
Quote from: stealth on January 10, 2014, 11:14:01 AM
huge +1 on reduce random times. it is not fun to wait 12h -24h waiting for a spawn... when ppl have work times etc.
chose!! game or real life!! xD
Quote from: Peorexo on January 10, 2014, 10:20:15 AM
dont care about web rb status (prefer w/o it tho), but the only thing i care about RB, start server with all RB/EPICS DEAD. Dont favor players who can nolife together with server start. Let them wait for it.
I think epics should remain dead for two weeks from the start. Other servers had the same. RB-s start dead, but respawn then, but epics are closed or dead for some weeks.
For me NO! It's sensless, we want to play on old rules !
VOTING YES
+Endless pvp to win important RBs
+Server can attract more players than nolifers, who will finally can catch a raid in their restricted schedule of play
+Gameplay boosts teamwork, planning and tactics
+Overpowered groups will have less chance to win RBs, so the power will be better distributed, which means you have to try harder to maintain the power
-There are players, that all they enjoy in game is farming RBs. They will be discouraged since they are always pointing in monitoring, well preparation and surprize to win the RBs
-Get zerged in most RB spots, no team can try their powers and kill a RB privately
VOTING NO
+24h active teams get more RBs as they deserve, justice in matter of timeplay and not just luck.
+Only the strong will be prepared and will fight each other to win the best RBs, pvp will be more clear, no random hits from everywhere.
+Karma feature in order to catch a RB is maximized
+Provokes better team up, bigger alliances to win over the strongest
-The strong gets stronger
-Wasting time and life in case of big random respawn windows
-Ending up killing RBs secretely with max 4 overequiped chars (assuming some combos get nerfed and cant solo)
offtopic/
The worst above all is finishing rate x1 combined with xp lost by death. Discourage pvp and brutalizes farming. Would be better starting up with low rates and ending up with higher:P so you can actually feel gameplay in lower lvls as well
Quote from: crafter2k on January 10, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
For me NO! It's sensless, we want to play on old rules !
Its not rules, its just for a sake of everyone. Or you want to see few clans exclusively killing raids only? In my opinion its not fair to others who can not camp 24/7.
Quote from: 4gottensoul on January 10, 2014, 12:45:01 PM
offtopic/
The worst above all is finishing rate x1 combined with xp lost by death. Discourage pvp and brutalizes farming. Would be better starting up with low rates and ending up with higher:P so you can actually feel gameplay in lower lvls as well
I do understand you but sadly, only 5% enjoys this game on low levels , and we all know it. EXP loss is something that have always been unique trademark of l2, im quite sure that constant actions and pvp > some exp loss that you can gain later on with your clan at some farm area.
Quote from: 4gottensoul on January 10, 2014, 12:45:01 PM
offtopic/
The worst above all is finishing rate x1 combined with xp lost by death. Discourage pvp and brutalizes farming. Would be better starting up with low rates and ending up with higher:P so you can actually feel gameplay in lower lvls as well
Good joke but even on pvp clan, thats pvp donno 5 / 7 hors day, u will be dlvl so easy and fast so dont need qq for exp on lvl 80
Well i heard that Excidium or whats the focken name of the clan, comes to play with top nolifers from Poland. Like ~60 ppl. Beat that!!!
Drake had a point somehow, keeping spawn hidden is not that bad but not that good also.
Balanced server, in my perspective will become balanced only for those nolifers that camp raids night and day.
Get real get a life, or a job, or other shit that prevents u to play L2 24/7.
Most of the players voting for NO, prolly have 24/7 time to play.
I suggest make raids spawns random, + announce on server that x raid spawned or smth.
Keep raids spawn+random secret.
Who will have ppl online and rdy can get the raid, Just don't make us camp like focken tards, for a raid that prolly gonna drop brez, or some parts, or nice items for those nolifers that would have the time to camp night and day for it.
Suggestions???
Ps: like they do it now also, on this dead server L2pho..x. They camp the raids night and day with excidium checkers or Es (cipka characters)
Quote from: szmucik on January 10, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Well i heard that Excidium or whats the focken name of the clan, comes to play with top nolifers from Poland. Like ~60 ppl. Beat that!!!
Drake had a point somehow, keeping spawn hidden is not that bad but not that good also.
Balanced server, in my perspective will become balanced only for those nolifers that camp raids night and day.
Get real get a life, or a job, or other shit that prevents u to play L2 24/7.
Most of the players voting for NO, prolly have 24/7 time to play.
I suggest make raids spawns random, + announce on server that x raid spawned or smth.
Keep raids spawn+random secret.
Who will have ppl online and rdy can get the raid, Just don't make us camp like focken tards, for a raid that prolly gonna drop brez, or some parts, or nice items for those nolifers that would have the time to camp night and day for it.
Suggestions???
There's literally nothing valuable in your comment. It's just an ignorant rant.
Quote from: nbx on January 10, 2014, 01:36:13 PM
There's literally nothing valuable in your comment. It's just an ignorant rant.
1-st wiseguy from forum
Waiting for more "suggestions", as smart as this
Quote from: szmucik on January 10, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
1-st wiseguy from forum
Waiting for more "suggestions", as smart as this
You literally just told everyone to get a job without knowing anything about anyone around here, and you honestly expect people to be all nice to you and take you seriously? You are not just ignorate, but also delusional. :D
Do u see any statement like "all get a job"? Or u just understand what u want? Delusional? Bro u just described urself in 1 word.(Dot) :)
More "suggetions" ?
Quote from: nbx on January 10, 2014, 01:36:13 PM
There's literally nothing valuable in your comment. It's just an ignorant rant.
+1 there a bit (no hate at all ,its just not good idea)
Thou u can chose "or play or live" ppl chose live .
Since you will be able get 1+1 char out of city only, then many many many depends on your friends/clan . Make RB spawn max X+3hour for quest bossess and for "farm" dont rly care . There are many ways how to farm, not rly need rb actions at all -> afterall .
So if u "nolife" u can camp whatever u want and u will anyway . But is not fair to NOLIFERS if you announce/make spawn X+1h . Not to mention that "ppl who work can donate to suport server" which mean they dont need to "Get evry boss" and this fun can stay at "Real players" :P aka 24/7-ers .
As well i think u shuld improve drop from PK , cuz this is gona be mess anyway u set it :)
+1 for drop from pk
Btw i said that keep respawn secret, that means only developers of server know the respawn ecuation. The rest of the followers, read it in announcements.
am gona th/pp if there will be list with spawns :)
" wow xXxxx alive . lets move there , wait the 60 ppl deal with eachother and clean all the pk "
on the otherside , works for me :) Mby i erase the "no" vote afterall :)
th/pp? lol. people will just make a big bunch of watcher accounts if there is no raidboss map. it really adds nothing to the gameplay, this will only stress login server.
make RB status like a dragon but without epicks
Giving public RB status is a bad idea.
However it would be good to randomize time frames a little bit, and make that info publicly available.
e.g.
1st kill - 8h +- 1-2h
2nd kill - 6h +- 1-2h
3rd kill - 10h +- 1-2h
and so on
just give spawn times, don't make any status on forums, we wanna make cameras ... its damn part of the game.
*IF* you can guarantee PvPs on normal raids, this is good. But what I see is, the game just changes a little bit. It becomes who can go to the RB fastest and start hitting, versus who can camp.
Because if there is no PvP zone. I am calling it now, I've even seen this on PvP servers. Carebear clans ignore wars, and have a full party ready to just farm.
IF you have a PvP zone around RBs. Well, then. We got something interesting. Because "top" clans can get zerged by rest of the server. Rest of the server will be encouraged to form alliances, and if we reduce exp loss on death also, will be epic.
I suggest preventing Restore life on RBs as well.
Thanks!
Quote from: bsrealm on January 11, 2014, 10:45:37 AM
reduce exp loss on death also.
I suggest preventing Restore life on RBs as well.
Thanks!
Dying should be painful, but if on top levels we would have rates 1x then I think it would be good to reduce exp loss on death.
Also I believe it would be good if augumented weapons on PK could be dropped as well on death.
Even dying from MOB should have a chance of dropping equipment (as in old C3/C4 times)
Quote from: ^Saristian on January 11, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
Dying should be painful, but if on top levels we would have rates 1x then I think it would be good to reduce exp loss on death.
Also I believe it would be good if augumented weapons on PK could be dropped as well on death.
Even dying from MOB should have a chance of dropping equipment (as in old C3/C4 times)
Augmented weapons drop from PK would be abusable, because people would trade their weapons that way. For instance you get WM and you are fighter, so you can drop it that way to your ally. However, if they could make that augment is automatically lost when you drop it, then it could work.
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 11, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
However, if they could make that augment is automatically lost when you drop it, then it could work.
+10
Quote from: GenghisKhan on January 11, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Augmented weapons drop from PK would be abusable, because people would trade their weapons that way. For instance you get WM and you are fighter, so you can drop it that way to your ally. However, if they could make that augment is automatically lost when you drop it, then it could work.
Ughm I had no idea you actually cannot drop them at all now.... off course make them droppable, without the agu as this man suggests.
Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on January 11, 2014, 01:42:30 PM
- dropping AUG items when pk NO (wtf lol)
Why the hell no? If you PK then deal with that there might be a chance for you to drop your precious little 0-1 weapony.
Quote from: ^Saristian on January 11, 2014, 02:00:28 PM
Why the hell no? If you PK then deal with that there might be a chance for you to drop your precious little 0-1 weapony.
I miss c4..when we saw a PK we first looked at his weapon lol...which isn't possible with Augment system in interlude since most of people are using augmentations.
I wish you could drop whenever you are killed by mobs too that would just be epic.
Quote from: KheopsDZ on January 11, 2014, 02:03:30 PM
I miss c4..when we saw a PK we first looked at his weapon lol...which isn't possible with Augment system in interlude since most of people are using augmentations.
I wish you could drop whenever you are killed by mobs too that would just be epic.
Thats my point. We should take as much as possible from C4 - where the most fun was.