Hi there, am i the only one who thinks the enchant system rate is just retarded as hell??? I mean come on, no one like starwars and less if it's even at the very beginning of the server...
The rates should be like this:
Chance to fail depending on lvl (Normal Scrolls)
Weapons: from +4 to +6 (45%) | +7 to +9 (60%) | +10 to +13 (65%) | +14 to +15 (70%) | +16 (75%) | +17 (80%) | +18 (85%) | +19 (90%) | +20 (95%). +20 should be the max enchant allowed i think..
Armors/Jewells: from +4 to +6 (55%) | +7 to +9 (70%) | +10 (75%). For it i think +10 should be the max enchanting allowed.
About Blessed scrolls, just reduce the chance to fail 10% on each lvl, maybe 15%, that's all.
I also would like to ask something about the "Deflect Arrow", when u said all those debuffs by using it, it's just work for Deflect Arrow lvl 4? or also lvl 2 aswell?, i think Archers might be a bit OP with that change...
Enchant failure are cumulative.
Is not that you make +0 to +15 with 1 single enchant attempt. and you get "70%" chances.
To propertly calculate it you have to sum all the chances and then divide it by the amount of attemps.
You will see is easy to reach +6/7 with this system but not so easy to reach the "dark side" of +16
About DeflectArrow:
Higher the level of deflect arrow, higher the drawbacks when used in a NOT tank stance.
The only drawback that is static from lv1 to lv4 is the bow range.
Quote from: =drake= on January 21, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
Enchant failure are cumulative.
Is not that you make +0 to +15 with 1 single enchant attempt. and you get "70%" chances.
To propertly calculate it you have to sum all the chances and then divide it by the amount of attemps.
You will see is easy to reach +6/7 with this system but not so easy to reach the "dark side" of +16
About DeflectArrow:
Higher the level of deflect arrow, higher the drawbacks when used in a NOT tank stance.
The only drawback that is static from lv1 to lv4 is the bow range.
Can u explain this part pls.
What would be considered tank stance? and what not?
My logic is: tank stats + sword in hand = tank stance, and every other weapon in hand or other stats is considered not tank stance and u get the 'nerf'?
Quote from: igi on January 21, 2014, 06:39:54 PM
Can u explain this part pls.
What would be considered tank stance? and what not?
My logic is: tank stats + sword in hand = tank stance, and every other weapon in hand or other stats is considered not tank stance and u get the 'nerf'?
yes pretty much, if u play ur tank with a bow u'll get the nerf from deflect arrow.
If you dont want nerfs, the only way is to use a sword.
Make a da/wk, its very cool ::) ::)
Quote from: =drake= on January 21, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
Enchant failure are cumulative.
Is not that you make +0 to +15 with 1 single enchant attempt. and you get "70%" chances.
To propertly calculate it you have to sum all the chances and then divide it by the amount of attemps.
You will see is easy to reach +6/7 with this system but not so easy to reach the "dark side" of +16
About DeflectArrow:
Higher the level of deflect arrow, higher the drawbacks when used in a NOT tank stance.
The only drawback that is static from lv1 to lv4 is the bow range.
I'm still thinking that "Enchanting" is a delicate thing to think about in this game, most of the ppl as i said won't like to see another guys with +7/+8 weapons that soon and that easy, you should probably increase the failure rate a bit...
About Deflect Arrow part, what is exactly "Tank Stance"? it means being playing as a tank? or?
i think a ench reduction will be needed else all will be glowing
Too many C weapons+9 ???
Enchant is fine as it is.Ind the end it's all about luck...Try enchant ppl or to many fails already?And ppl start qq about other's luck?
P.S. Tried to ench d grades and was fail festival.So enchant system is ok Drake.
Quote from: reddragonjr on January 21, 2014, 11:22:14 PM
Enchant is fine as it is.Ind the end it's all about luck...Try enchant ppl or to many fails already?And ppl start qq about other's luck?
P.S. Tried to ench d grades and was fail festival.So enchant system is ok Drake.
I've never seen so many +9++ weapons right off the bat, ofc its fine for you since you are planning to enchant.
From a 50% success enchant rate to 80% and you really think this is fine? get real.
drop the chances 66 for fighter
55 or 50 for mage -.- cmon dont make it starwars network
Quote from: 69 on January 21, 2014, 11:51:59 PM
drop the chances 66 for fighter
55 or 50 for mage -.- cmon dont make it starwars network
A mage CP had 4 HOM+9 on the nukers, i think thats too much
if its so easy why u dont make your weapon +++ ?
i failed yesterday my ds on+4 :|
Quote from: nith on January 21, 2014, 11:55:08 PM
if its so easy why u dont make your weapon +++ ?
Because I stopped playing.
My friend's karmian was +7 though, about weapons we didn't enchant them since we used shadow weapons.
Also if you are saying 80% success rate is as hard as 50% than I see no further reason to keep talking with you.
u will see when server gets abit older ( talking not old at all xD after 1 month ) and ppl have more ench srolls what will happen ;/
Quote from: llllllllll on January 21, 2014, 11:50:42 PM
I've never seen so many +9++ weapons right off the bat, ofc its fine for you since you are planning to enchant.
From a 50% success enchant rate to 80% and you really think this is fine? get real.
Did you read my fking post?Failed all on +4+5 that's why I said it's fail festival enchant.
I play in this network since begin aka 10 years so I know what I'm talking about understand?
Like nith said if it's so easy why you don't you go make many +16?
+9+++ is op?Lmfao.When you will see ppl many runing with +15+16 than you can say it's op.But that will never happen.
Even on dnx15 where I always played where max 10 ppl with top red during the years self enchanted and hard donated and you can't compare dnx15 enchant and econony with this server.
Kk10xbb.
Quote from: reddragonjr on January 22, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
Did you read my fking post?Failed all on +4+5 that's why I said it's fail festival enchant.
I play in this network since begin aka 10 years so I know what I'm talking about understand?
Like nith said if it's so easy why you don't you go make many +16?
+9+++ is op?Lmfao.When you will see ppl many runing with +15+16 than you can say it's op.But that will never happen.
Kk10xbb.
I'm playing here since 10 years aswell ;) and the way you talk with your smartass attitude and your grammar OPness makes me think you are a 10 years old kid.
As I said, the idea of comparing 80% success rate to 50% and saying its as hard as it was in the old servers is ridiculous, and I didn't enchant my weapon read what I wrote above because I hate repeating myself :).
Also, even if you played for 100 years here, this is a completely different server with A NEW ENCHANT SYSTEM, so your "experience" won't do shit and won't prove shit here :).
Quote from: llllllllll on January 22, 2014, 12:08:18 AM
I'm playing here since 10 years aswell ;) and the way you talk with your smartass attitude and your grammar OPness makes me think you are a 10 years old kid.
As I said, the idea of comparing 80% success rate to 50% and saying its as hard as it was in the old servers is ridiculous, and I didn't enchant my weapon read what I wrote above because I hate repeating myself :).
Also, even if you played for 100 years here, this is a completely different server with A NEW ENCHANT SYSTEM, so your "experience" won't do shit and won't prove shit here :).
Dude dunno wtf is your problem and dunno what grammar mistakes you see.You got cataract... and btw your attitude makes me think your the kiddo here... I don't hide my age you can see my profile smart ass.
For your reference, officially it WAS (chance of FAIL, no scrolls difference):
Fighter Weapon: 40% up to lv14, then 75%
Mage Weapon: 50% up to lv14, then 80%
Armors/Jewels: 33%,50%,66%,70%,80% (respectively at +3,+4,+5,+6,+7)
It's 40% fail for weapons not 20% so success is 60% not 80% open your eyes and read that change log 1000 times maybe you will understand at some point.
Quote from: reddragonjr on January 22, 2014, 12:12:05 AM
Dude dunno wtf is your problem and dunno what grammar mistakes you see.You got cataract... and btw your attitude makes me think your the kiddo here... I don't hide my age you can see my profile smart ass.
By age I do not mean when you were born or physical age or call it however you want, but I'm talking about a brain's size, yours is still developping and instead of arguing with proofs and facts, you do insult people, that's what 10 years old kids do :).
Unlike you I don't have to read 1000 times (one more proof that your brain is small and not fully developped) and for 80% I was reffering to +4 :).
after reading what you wrote, seems like you are a blindo so I will correct it for you :
For your reference, officially it WAS (chance of FAIL, no scrolls difference):Fighter Weapon: 40% up to lv14, then 75%
Mage Weapon: 50% up to lv14, then 80%
Armors/Jewels: 33%,50%,66%,70%,80% (respectively at +3,+4,+5,+6,+7).
He is talking about official stats...(AKA Retail).
I know your brain cannot get all those infos at once yet, but now go sleep and when you wake up tomorrow, read what Drake wrote 1 more time (so it will be 1001 if I'm not mistaken) then and only then come back here again :).
I know you will not post again today here (I hope not because you proved that you were ridiculous and blind in the same time), no need to thank me for teaching you the game works after so many years ;) so I'm going to sleep we'll talk tomorrow about this and don't forget to do what I said.
PS : Deeply sorry track about this I know we are abit offtopic but I can't let fools do as they please ^_^.
Enchant in oly is maxed at +6 and there is -25% pvp damage anyway, so this enchant rate is fine. Yes, you farm faster with enchanted weapons, but when it comes to pvp, a +10 weapon means a lot less damage boost than a +10 weapon meant originally. Sure it will be kind of "star wars", but only visually.
Quote from: llllllllll on January 22, 2014, 12:15:44 AM
By age I do not mean when you were born or physical age or call it however you want, but I'm talking about a brain's size, yours is still developping and instead of arguing with proofs and facts, you do insult people, that's what 10 years old kids do :).
Man I'm done arguing with stubborn people.I posted the facts quoted from Drake change log what more facts do you need...duno who got the smallest iq here...And dunno where you seen insults in my posts?Your posts maybe not mine.I'm not in the mode right now to insult,to tired.And btw better stop insulting people about brain/iq w/e if you don't know them in real.Fact is I got 3k digit salary more you don't need to know.
Quote from: reddragonjr on January 22, 2014, 12:29:27 AM
Man I'm done arguing with stubborn people.I posted the facts quoted from Drake change log what more facts do you need...duno who got the smallest iq here...And dunno where you seen insults in my posts?Your posts maybe not mine.I'm not in the mode right now to insult,to tired.And btw better stop insulting people about brain/iq w/e if you don't know them in real.Fact is I got 3k digit salary more you don't need to know.
Again I will say it, he was reffering to official stats I will not repeat what I said above so read and try to understand his post, I bet you didn't even realise there was a table there right ?
Also...I really have no clue why do you bring your salary up in this conversation..so what if you get a 3k salary does it makes you smarter ? I guess not since its a medium salary...
Go read again Drake's posts for another thousand time, I'm off to sleep cya.
@Crybabies: Stop crying & go play! :D Hf. :D
Quote from: llllllllll on January 22, 2014, 12:34:32 AM
Again I will say it, he was reffering to official stats I will not repeat what I said above so read and try to understand his post, I bet you didn't even realise there was a table there right ?
Also...I really have no clue why do you bring your salary up in this conversation..so what if you get a 3k salary does it makes you smarter ? I guess not since its a medium salary...
Go read again Drake's posts for another thousand time, I'm off to sleep cya.
That table isn't valid since 1st day it was posted.But you to stubborn to understand.
I'm done replying to you Mr. knows it all.
Gl living in your fairy tail world where everything is possible.BB
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Quote from: reddragonjr on January 22, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
That table isn't valid since 1st day it was posted.But you to stubborn to understand.
I'm done replying to you Mr. knows it all.
Gl living in your fairy tail world where everything is possible.BB
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Well I'd like to say show me the post or it didn't happen, its too easy to pull things out of your ass without proofs ;).
Thanks ! I will keep living in my fairy "Tale" not "Tail" where every logic thing is possible ;).
Have fun!
It doesn't matter if there is a 25% pvp damage reduction, that applies to all weapons, enchanted or not, that means there will still be a difference...
Enchant rate should be as low as possible, +5 to +7 "Hard", +8 to +10 "You Have BALLS", +11 and more "Near impossible"...
I don't know how ppl agrees with the current enchant rate, it's just not good.
Quote from: llllllllll on January 22, 2014, 12:48:12 AM
Well I'd like to say show me the post or it didn't happen, its too easy to pull things out of your ass without proofs ;).
Thanks ! I will keep living in my fairy "Tale" not "Tail" where every logic thing is possible ;).
Have fun!
For your info smart ass "Fairy Tail" is a manga for kids like you.I was making reference at that.I wasn't referring at the common words "fairy tale".Failing hard in every post.
Cya dude!No hard feelings!
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Like Drake and Track said you can't make everyone happy there's always some smart ass qqing and complaining.This community is freaked.They should stop listening to those "smart asses" that complain 24/7 for good.
Quote from: reddragonjr on January 22, 2014, 12:58:32 AM
For your info smart ass "Fairy Tail" is a manga for kids like you.I was making reference at that.I wasn't referring at the common words "fairy tale".Failing hard in every post.
Cya dude!No hard feelings!
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Like Drake and Track said you can't make everyone happy there's always some smart ass qqing and complaining.This community is freaked.They should stop listening to those "smart asses" that complain 24/7 for good.
Ofc you can't make everyone happy that's for sure ;).
The fact that you mentioned it means that you are watching it and thus are one of the kids you stated :) (logic logic hurts).
Also where is the post you talked about ? no proof only insults and shits yet you keep openning that big mouth of yours.
What a disapointment, I was looking forward to see that post you talked about earlier.
Or you saw that you had 0 proof and was totally wrong about shits you stated, so you wanted to turn this into a spam/flame land ? I'm not falling in this :)
I won ! CYA GN for good ^_^. I will not post again until you get that so called proof (since the post itself doesn't exist I guess I'm not talking to you again heh)
Peace.
You all assume that +15 weapon has 50% chance to enchant to +16.
Yeah, it does, but you forget it took LOTS of luck to enchant it that far. For every 50% chance to enchant it, there was 50% chance to burn it.
By simple math, here are the "odds"
CHANCE OF ENCHANTING FIGHTER WEAPON FROM +0 TO:
+4 90%
+5 72%
+6 57%
+7 46%
+8 36%
+9 29%
+10 20%
+11 14%
+12 10%
+13 6%
+14 3%
+15 1%
I can't wait to see the screenshots of failed enchants :)
Quote from: Simsung on January 22, 2014, 01:59:43 AM
You all assume that +15 weapon has 50% chance to enchant to +16.
Yeah, it does, but you forget it took LOTS of luck to enchant it that far. For every 50% chance to enchant it, there was 50% chance to burn it.
By simple math, here are the "odds"
CHANCE OF ENCHANTING FIGHTER WEAPON FROM +0 TO:
+4 90%
+5 72%
+6 57%
+7 46%
+8 36%
+9 29%
+10 20%
+11 14%
+12 10%
+13 6%
+14 3%
+15 1%
I can't wait to see the screenshots of failed enchants :)
That mat is inaccurated, u are based on luck, as for a guy could be the luckiest one and enchant 2 weapons to +15, it's still retarded...
I will not read all the ....
You qq for too many weps on +9, so go an enchant too chances are equal. If you reduce enchant rates now for example it ruin balance beacause some people already made their weps. And of course others will start qq.
Quote from: Ziehen on January 22, 2014, 05:51:28 AM
That mat is inaccurated, u are based on luck, as for a guy could be the luckiest one and enchant 2 weapons to +15, it's still retarded...
So, r u saying they should reduce luck in people? o.O
Quote from: djvancho on January 22, 2014, 03:12:52 PM
I will not read all the ....
You qq for too many weps on +9, so go an enchant too chances are equal. If you reduce enchant rates now for example it ruin balance beacause some people already made their weps. And of course others will start qq.
easy to solve. Lower the enchant above +6 to +4 for example.
Quote from: igi on January 22, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
So, r u saying they should reduce luck in people? o.O
Do you really think i tried to say that? or u're just trolling? i ment that the system is based in pure luck ( i know even if the rate would be the lowest possible, it would be about luck to success or not ) but right now, they are making it to damn easy... You know what? Forget about what i said, i might said the wrong words, but in the end what i wanted to say is no matter if it's equal for everyone, NOBODY likes "STARWARS" that's all...
Jedi server :O
Quote from: lFreak on January 23, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Jedi server :O
lol
Uve seen what? 2-3 c grade weapons +7/8?
I predict low prices on a grade cry in the future
Quote from: lFreak on January 23, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Jedi server :O
Lets disable ability to enchant then?
Once again i do repeat, overenchantd items doesnt make you a good player.