Drake said :
there is no 8hour limiter or anything like that.
when is written 1 hour is 1 hour, when is written 1 minute is 1 minute and when is written 3000 hours is 3000 hours.
There is a mob located in 180000 90000 on the map that have RESPAWN=1min (1min = 60sec) RESPAWN_RAND=50sec
You can kill it for the whole day and chronometer the respawn time, guess what? it respawns exactly in 60sec+/-50sec (that is from 10seconds to 110seconds)
I drop also the post as makes no sense and is beyond logic.
If you like fast raidbosses i welcome you to join Dragon where bosses spawns twice a day (10hour+/-30min respawn)
so i guess you admit you have no idea how the coding exactly works. In previous post i've shown you statistics. It is statisticly impossible for all AQ's to spawn only in first 8 hours of your 17 hour random window..... so there must be a explination for why all bosses on the server so far have been spawning correctly..... ? !
that being said : your logic for the amount of bosses spawned in a year is incorrect since they are based on your spawn time, but the spawn time actually is your Spawn time - Rand time = MIN SPAWN + 4 hours ( random spawn for 8 has mean at 4) !!!!
therefor shortening your windows should be :
normal bosses :
fixed spawn 16, rand 30 min
AQ 20 rand 1
Baium 124 rand 1
antharas 196 rand 1
you not only minimize the random spawn but deliberiatly extend the spawn time , basing it on a yearly calculation which is wrong !!
I cant argue that MIN SPAWN is: RESPAWN - RESPAWN_RAND
but YOU cant argue that MAX SPAWN is RESPAWN + RESPAWN_RAND
And the average spawn is simple: RESPAWN, because the RESPAWN_RAND on long terms tends toward 0 (as i proved you in the spreadsheet below) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDU2N3laTU53MzdMUnUtRExwSzEwZWc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
so your MIN SPAWN means nothing because is again calculated toward a value that on long term (and long terms is even 1 month in this case) goes toward 0 so MIN AVERAGE RESPAWN is RESPAWN - 0 = RESPAWN (and we are here again)
if boss had RESPAWN=X and RAND=Y
their average would still be X
bosses right now still spawns same quantity every month.
True, the MIN respawn time is higher, but is ALSO true that the MAX respawn is lower by the same quantity!
In the end we will have same amount of AQ rings as before.
Now is simply no more easy for who plays using "char cameras" to farm them in face of all other legit players.
Thats all.
and why in your world having cameras and camping bosses is not legit???ban us then...
Quote from: Maneuver on February 18, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
and why in your world having cameras and camping bosses is not legit???ban us then...
lol this is unbelievable.. They put live feed about status of bosses (which refreshes every 10min) with time of death and eta on respawn time and they r mad about ppl putting cameras saying its not fair or what ever....
its just a lame excuse on their side!
Quote from: Maneuver on February 18, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
and why in your world having cameras and camping bosses is not legit???ban us then...
Is a clear advantage toward people that dont like such techniques and play fair and square without it.
We did not put in rules "cameraman style gameplay" to be bannable. But that doesnt mean I personally like it.
If you want a self ban you can ask for it at any GM, is your free will on that. Just PM a GM and write "please jail me for X days, thanks."Quote
lol this is unbelievable.. They put live feed about status of bosses (which refreshes every 10min) with time of death and eta on respawn time and they r mad about ppl putting cameras saying its not fair or what ever....
Guess what?
We did it exactly to counter the players that puts camera, not else.
If we didnt have the cameraman, we wouldnt have to put the live feed.
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its just a lame excuse on their side!
www.google.it <- you are welcome to choose another server.
Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
I cant argue that MIN SPAWN is: RESPAWN - RESPAWN_RAND
but YOU cant argue that MAX SPAWN is RESPAWN + RESPAWN_RAND
i can cause i statisticly prove to you earlier that this is not a valid statement since no boss has spawned outside the MIN + 8. This means the average won't tend towards Your MEAN = RESPAWN Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
And the average spawn is simple: RESPAWN, because the RESPAWN_RAND on long terms tends toward 0 (as i proved you in the spreadsheet below) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al15aDmbKPTTdDU2N3laTU53MzdMUnUtRExwSzEwZWc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
yes your document proves that after sufficient amount of numbers between two limits the average will be in the middle of your limits. As said above, your middle doesn't exsist since your maximum value is not +48 but your middles lies in -48 and -40 = -44 Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
bosses right now still spawns same quantity every month.
True, the MIN respawn time is higher, but is ALSO true that the MAX respawn is lower by the same quantity!
point i tried to make before is that your mean is not the mean you think you have so your calculation for the amount of bosses every month isn't correct Thats all.
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Quote from: igi on February 18, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
lol this is unbelievable.. They put live feed about status of bosses (which refreshes every 10min) with time of death and eta on respawn time and they r mad about ppl putting cameras saying its not fair or what ever....
+1
But make it simple. When an rb spawned just automatically teleport to town the death or too low lvl chars around rb.
And yes I can easily camping rbs without any
dbox or camera just refreshing the world bosses list on homepage.
Or make a realtime world bosses list instead of 10 min refresh.
Quote from: igi on February 18, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
lol this is unbelievable.. They put live feed about status of bosses (which refreshes every 10min) with time of death and eta on respawn time and they r mad about ppl putting cameras saying its not fair or what ever....
- shortening random respawn is a good thing , it became unreasonable flame subject for no reason
- not everyone can afford pc with dual boxing
- since camera chars means char out of town, means you cant log any other char for support , lets see what hwid and ip checking says then?
Should we give more chance to players who are more rich to have several ips and several pcs?
- shorter random respawn and public data will give more chances to all players
This subject became flame for no particular reason, just change the farming pattern and thats all.
problem is not with the shorter random spawn. if you want to take away the camera advantage ( JUST LOL i'll come back to this) thats fine, make it more exciting. The problem from the start has been the RESPAWN TIME !!!!!!!!!!!! its 38+- 30 min now iso 16+- 30 min.
but w/e apperently you still can't figure this out.
p.s. seeing logging a camera as a bigger advantage as a site that gives the info is already lol but thinking that its not part of the game just says to me you don't have any idea about this game at all...
the way you fixed peeps you actually gave the people already noble/subbed/substacked/with epics a huge advantage since the people who have to catch up will have a harder time getting those. simple as that.
GL for the clans without nobles on the pvp's
no point in replying anymore. since you both are completely ignorant
peace, love and pogo sticks
Quote from: igi on February 18, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
lol this is unbelievable.. They put live feed about status of bosses (which refreshes every 10min) with time of death and eta on respawn time and they r mad about ppl putting cameras saying its not fair or what ever....
who really wants an epic jewel, makes sure everything is prepared .. simple as that :)
there is no such a thing "its not fair", we want those jewels we will camp it by our own will and free time. I'd ask what would be fair?! When aq spawns we should pm all the clan leaders that it is UP come and let's have a fight for it? lmao
who wants anything work for it else soe "ringless" and sad. I guess this is not only my opinion.
LE: yday's aq were "epic" fight. this change brought awesome fun and fights, pvpve everywhere with this fully working custom pvp counter, where you pk a whole destro pt with another similar lvl destro and you get 2pk point instead of 7-8. (not like I'm not happy about this, but I have different opinion about pvp points in the stats ALT+T, cause it's the same way bugged, it does not counting many times.)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 18, 2014, 03:24:04 PM
- shorter random respawn and public data will give more chances to all players
That's one of the best thing you've done here so far, I felt like crying when I checked the previous random spawn on baium. xD
Igonre all the Rtards above.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 18, 2014, 03:24:04 PM
- shortening random respawn is a good thing , it became unreasonable flame subject for no reason
- not everyone can afford pc with dual boxing
- since camera chars means char out of town, means you cant log any other char for support , lets see what hwid and ip checking says then?
Should we give more chance to players who are more rich to have several ips and several pcs?
- shorter random respawn and public data will give more chances to all players
This subject became flame for no particular reason, just change the farming pattern and thats all.
so if you dont want to give rich ppl an advantage,which is the most retarted thing i ever heard in l2 history since most players use 2 clients,i guess you will not put up donations right??
Dualboxing affect players in every aspect not only bosses,if this is your reasoning on this then make it 1 box in every part of the game..its rediculus to condemn ppl for being able to dualbox!!and when i box a camera for a raid i sacrifice my 2nd box,which gives me a disadvantage towards a player that uses the site to check them and still has 2 boxes for his exp or w/e!!!
you can't seem to understand that up to now bosses never spawned after +8 hours so the only thing you "fixed" is the minimum spawn which now is rediculous and results in players having LESS oportunities of have sub raids or baium etc!!!!
There is a point when every human being have its own limit, without becoming extremely pissed off.
This is mine.
Quote from: Maneuver on February 18, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
so if you dont want to give rich ppl an advantage,which is the most retarted thing i ever heard in l2 history since most players use 2 clients,i guess you will not put up donations right??
Dualboxing affect players in every aspect not only bosses,if this is your reasoning on this then make it 1 box in every part of the game..its rediculus to condemn ppl for being able to dualbox!!and when i box a camera for a raid i sacrifice my 2nd box,which gives me a disadvantage towards a player that uses the site to check them and still has 2 boxes for his exp or w/e!!!
you can't seem to understand that up to now bosses never spawned after +8 hours so the only thing you "fixed" is the minimum spawn which now is rediculous and results in players having LESS oportunities of have sub raids or baium etc!!!!
they believe in other theoires, 2 values that's all, and now generating a new conspiracy theory to believe in
1st time players, I would so place a bet to test for example a baium or antharas or even any single raid boss on a test server or smth like that to let them see there is no more window after 8h (ofc default settings)
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 18, 2014, 03:40:21 PM
There is a point when every human being have its own limit, without becoming extremely pissed off.
This is mine.
every human has* ,its not plura or questionl!!
i guess when we reach your limit you will close this thread also??feel free to do that,it does not prove us wrong..neither are your arguments proving anything!!we tell you there is no more random than 8 hours, and you answer 1minute works fine!!!yeah i guess 1 minute cannot pass 8hour mark...
f@ck logic!
Right now the main theories are:
a) you are a troll and you are enjoying to drag this crap with those absurd fake theories
b) you are doing this on purpose to bash the server (and advertise another one)
In both cases, you guys are welcome to leave the server if you dont like it.
with this change we are not the only one freaked up, but the rest of (how to say it diplomatic) randoms!? .. lets say clanless ppl or who are in smaller clans, how will they ever get subs (not to mention nobl and raid), I believe they didn't even realise this change caused extended spawns. But the good part they know almost a "FIXED" time spawn, good. Now what?
What I say, an organised cp, cause nowdays l2 about constant parties and about their organisation, so an organised pt will go their with a doomcry and the boss is dead about 5min, gl any random getting in touch with a normal raid boss or sub rbs. For sure, some will get, for sure many won't.
Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 03:55:18 PM
Right now the main theories are:
a) you are a troll and you are enjoying to drag this crap with those absurd fake theories
b) you are doing this on purpose to bash the server (and advertise another one)
In both cases, you guys are welcome to leave the server if you dont like it.
I like the server I don't want to change, I don't like how things change here, this new customizations. I know it's not retail setting server, but some changes are really bad and you wonder why many ppl qq here. You got some protectors who believe in u like a messiah but you have a community with not only few protectors, but many other players.
Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 03:55:18 PM
Right now the main theories are:
a) you are a troll and you are enjoying to drag this crap with those absurd fake theories
b) you are doing this on purpose to bash the server (and advertise another one)
In both cases, you guys are welcome to leave the server if you dont like it.
are you for real??the theory that we kinda liked the server and we want to keep up our good experience on it is out of the question for you??
maybe you are doing it on purpose to strengthen a side of the server??is that a theory also??
ps. none of us stated that ppl should leave server or advertised any other one!on the contrary you encouraged your community to google other servers if they don't suck it up with your clueless fixes!!
ps2. i want to see if in next baium ppl get pked,what will your fix be for that to help custom players!!
Quote from: Maneuver on February 18, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
every human has* ,its not plura or questionl!!
i guess when we reach your limit you will close this thread also??feel free to do that,it does not prove us wrong..neither are your arguments proving anything!!we tell you there is no more random than 8 hours, and you answer 1minute works fine!!!yeah i guess 1 minute cannot pass 8hour mark...
f@ck logic!
Yep, u are f@@king logic mate, not GMs.
Noone say 1 min work fine, they just try to tell u they know what they are doing coding. You should underatand that if works with 1min mob works with 8h raid too as the script is the same with just different values, then u should understand that speaking about statistic on a mob which spawned maybe 5 times from servers opening it's a little bit ridiculous . Amen
Quote from: borde on February 18, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Yep, u are f@@king logic mate, not GMs.
Noone say 1 min work fine, they just try to tell u they know what they are doing coding. You should underatand that if works with 1min mob works with 8h raid too as the script is the same with just different values, then u should understand that speaking about statistic on a mob which spawned maybe 5 times from servers opening it's a little bit ridiculous . Amen
ok,what about when we talk about aq which spawned for like 30 times since server open and no1 answers that!!we don't have the whole coding to see what is what,and we say that TESTED AQ never spawned after 7 hours,nowhere near the 18 hours in the code!!! AMEN
Quote from: borde on February 18, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
Yep, u are f@@king logic mate, not GMs.
Noone say 1 min work fine, they just try to tell u they know what they are doing coding. You should underatand that if works with 1min mob works with 8h raid too as the script is the same with just different values, then u should understand that speaking about statistic on a mob which spawned maybe 5 times from servers opening it's a little bit ridiculous . Amen
Raid boss respawns were fine before, just some1 freaked up and shouted on forum omg baium has omgwtflong spawn time, when it's not true. Everything was fine with raid boss spawns, the normal raid bosses were up daily with their 12+8, baium spawned just right in time 5d +0-8hr; and nooo I wasn't in the clan who killed baium, but I'm upset cause raid bosses get extended by a reason that is never was true.
Quote from: teqi on February 18, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Raid boss respawns were fine before, just some1 freaked up and shouted on forum omg baium has omgwtflong spawn time, when it's not true. Everything was fine with raid boss spawns, the normal raid bosses were up daily with their 12+8, baium spawned just right in time 5d +0-8hr; and nooo I wasn't in the clan who killed baium, but I'm upset cause raid bosses get extended by a reason that is never was true.
Re-read the whole posts, i quite much explained how is the math behind it.
Your assumptions are totally wrong and stay wrong
can you answer the AQ question?if your assumptions are right tell us 1 time that she spawned after 27 hours...statistically there are more chances for her to spawn in the 9 last hours of your 18 hour hypothetical window!!!
I have the solution for you.
We make a goblin whenever you like (location) that announces the elapsed time when is spawned (so everyone see)
We put RESPAWN=1440hour RESPAWN_RAND=480hour
You can then spend the next 2 years killing it and see the respawns that will occur exactly in 1440hour +/- 480hour as written (that is 60 days +/-20 days, and you will see is NOT limited to 8hours)
Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 04:11:05 PM
Re-read the whole posts, i quite much explained how is the math behind it.
Your assumptions are totally wrong and stay wrong
We couldn't have such a luck, IF YES I GO the lottery and win next price. 25-6 aq all spawned in the right time before. What we say 19hr +(0-8hr) with the default settings of resp=36hr rand=17, YES it always spawned before the 8h window passed, you can't proove the opposite. What's the chance killing AQ since the server start before a 8h window end?? 1/4234234234? when some ppl thought baium has few days random respawn, we went there, camped at the night and guess what it spawned 7hr 30min~ and again it was before 8h window end, and we had the chance again with the same settings we could experience all the raids spawn before 8h pass, simply can't pass. You don't know, no1 knows how NC made it's server.exe :)except their devs. You are talking about a script where 2 values are exist.
And for sure aq with the default settings would ever spawn before that 8h get passed. same applies for the rest of bosses
I play since Teon c5, I never ever experience a baium 48hr respawn, cause never ever happened. When the time came and baium spawn, what I heard from folks... oh nooo again a 8h camp, and always was about a max 8h camp, OFF, private servers with default settings.
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You don't know, no1 knows how NC made it's server.exe :)except their devs. You are talking about a script where 2 values are exist.
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Quote from: teqi on February 18, 2014, 04:25:59 PM
I expect from a person who farmed over 23 AQ-s so far to be more reasonable and less greedy.
Thank you
you are still not answering,did any AQ spawn after 27 hours of her TOD??and 27 on leaves 8 hour window from the 34hour one you say it was...do the math!!!statisticaly it cannot happen...anw,make 1 elpy with fix spawn 1 hour and random spawn more than 8 hours...if it ever spawns after the 9th hour i will accept you are right!
anw since none of my favorite awesome bosses spawn soon i kiss my niece and go to the gym!!!cya later
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on February 18, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
I expect from a person who farmed over 23 AQ-s so far to be more reasonable and less greedy.
Thank you
we offer you facts and ask some questions!!!greed is part of the game,it helps you move forward! ;)
Quote from: Maneuver on February 18, 2014, 04:33:45 PM
we offer you facts and ask some questions!!!greed is part of the game,it helps you move forward! ;)
PLENTLY answered with more than 10 pages!
Quote from: =drake= on February 18, 2014, 04:35:52 PM
PLENTLY answered with more than 10 pages!
STILL aq question not answered in the more than 10 pages!!! did ANY aq spawn after 27 hours of tod??
is 27 mark the first 8 hours of your 34 hour window (before changes)???the chances are less than 20% each time and that for 27 consecutive times?
These morons wont stop QQ so either Track or any admin out there. Ban them from forum or close any new QQ Topic they open up again. It will safe u time, nerves and bad mood... or gimme Mod for one day and ill shut them all up.
Quote from: VOoDOoT on February 18, 2014, 04:46:08 PM
These morons wont stop QQ so either Track or any admin out there. Ban them from forum or close any new QQ Topic they open up again. It will safe u time, nerves and bad mood... or gimme Mod for one day and ill shut them all up.
dude u offered 50 euro for AQ some days ago here on forum in pm (i think gms can check it), u should get ban only here
First of all it shows bad attitude from the admins with their responses. They haven't given any clear answers except sticking into their wrongfull way of thinking.
Secondly i want to emphasize that i've given decent answers and calculations from the start comparing the facts of 10 year l2 experience.
Third, i've never promoted any other server or badmouthed this one.
Lastly i'm not speaking against the changes for my own benefit. Actually these adjustments will only make the first 3 weeks more profitable.
Thing is you select a server on a few factors one of which is its features. Changing them during 'the game' isn't fair at all and i think it actually is a decision for the worse.
I'll try this a last time. I'm not against narrowing the respawn windows. I'm against extending the spawntimes, cause i think its not benefitial for anyone.
Quote from: ZeniT on February 18, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
dude u offered 50 euro for AQ some days ago here on forum in pm (i think gms can check it), u should get ban only here
SLASH BOOM PANG KAPOUWWW
Quote from: ZeniT on February 18, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
dude u offered 50 euro for AQ some days ago here on forum in pm (i think gms can check it), u should get ban only here
Just put the printscreen to this thread and lets smile together. ;)
Quote from: VOoDOoT on February 18, 2014, 04:46:08 PM
These morons wont stop QQ so either Track or any admin out there. Ban them from forum or close any new QQ Topic they open up again. It will safe u time, nerves and bad mood... or gimme Mod for one day and ill shut them all up.
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Who should get ban now?
Quote from: ZeniT on February 18, 2014, 06:50:33 PM
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Who should get ban now?
Another question is, even if you got aq for horns, how did u get your horns with your nonfactor clan? I saw you ingame and i dont think so syndicate2 has fullbuffed destroyers ready 0-24 at toi11 waiting for golkonda(the tradable horn one) to kill. And ofc you get it because other clans dont give a fk.
Just wondering who sold you horn for your precious euro? :)
axaxa I got such an offer from him, did u send message to every members from our cp?
You should respect us, we dont step over the server rules and dont sell it for real moneys.
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/me insert good, bad and ugly OST.
This thread feels so empty now :(
Quote from: Falatko on February 18, 2014, 07:51:51 PM
hahah these kids still crying for rb spawn, it is fine as it is now and better for community, wonder from which clan u r that u qq so hard and have to spam about it NON STOP exicidium? stanxx stupid clan? go go go QQ more
plz go back cry in your oly threads ... again you don't have anything decent to share...
Quote from: Falatko on February 18, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
no, i came here to see your RB spawn QQ thread is much more funny :D
Atm its 'Kaballywantedtobuyaqringfor50eurbutinsteadheboughthornsformoney-willhegetban?' thread, but ty for the free bump:)
still no info on this ban???it strikes odd to me!!!we are waiting you know!!
anw it affects us less than you imagine,we just don't want stupid features inserted in a allready good game!!
Quote from: Falatko on February 18, 2014, 08:24:58 PM
kaballywantedtobuyaqringinsteadheboughthorn? :D U made my day! Do not talk since u got no idea who got horn and who want to buy AQ :D :D :D reallly ::D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D: cant stop laughing :D fvck rb spawn fvck Docretadholiday :D this made my day
Using lot of smiley makes you looks distracted.
Quote from: Falatko on February 18, 2014, 08:32:06 PM
i can be retard i can be forum warrior i can be mr smartass but this really made my day dude srsly :D
Peace
If anything ingame related can make your day, then you live a very impulseless life.
VoodooT isnt Kabally..also voodooT isnt even at sindicate,plaste i dont even know why u guys posting such stuff,what does it matter? i guess each one do his own business...serious
Quote from: Kabally on February 18, 2014, 08:40:34 PM
VoodooT isnt Kabally..also voodooT isnt even at sindicate,plaste i dont even know why u guys posting such stuff,what does it matter? i guess each one do his own business...serious
I admit mentioning you was a fault. Sorry for that!
HAHAH WTF
still waiting for GM answer on post #32...trackzero had time to find a link about Twilight sage and close a thread but avoided to answer 1 question that has not been answered by ANYONE of the gms as of yet!
still here and alive
goin to kill Longhorn now, any of u cruel homies wanna join me? Btw im clanless so might as well let me join so we can pew pew together
how to test if random window can go over 8 hours: spawn 100+ mobs with respawn 25h +-24h (1h fixed + 48h random), kill them, wait 9 hours, check if all the mobs respawned or not, conclude this shit already and move on.