There's nothing to do about it.
I'm from FC and i'm just sad this happened, but a GM can't do anything agaisnt them.
If it was a hidden enemy grabing it, was a scam too?
GM's can't do nothing, this is Clans/Ally responsability and any interference from a GM would be consedered corruption on my eyes, and on rules eyes too?
They are kids with no patient, let them be and reflect on their stupid actions.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on March 02, 2014, 10:43:49 PM
They are kids with no patient, let them be and reflect on their stupid actions.
kids? not at all if i good remember u were playing with CI also on some sv , mb im wrong , that one u can call a decent clan not this sh1t where CL party does what they want and get everything.
Quote from: N3bz on March 02, 2014, 10:48:45 PM
kids? not at all if i good remember u were playing with CI also on some sv , mb im wrong , that one u can call a decent clan not this sh1t where CL party does what they want and get everything.
Yes and If i remember correctly the REAL neb wouldn't ever do this sh1t. Im disapointed with you m8. Really disapointed. Just because they didnt give u this or that. Next Baium was goijg 100% to ur party u just had to wait a bit longer. Im just sad really :)
any TLDR version? I just came to forum and i see 8 pages of Valakas topic...
Did you kill it and someone picked up and left clan?
Quote from: NunoPitbull on March 02, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
Yes and If i remember correctly the REAL neb wouldn't ever do this sh1t. Im disapointed with you m8. Really disapointed. Just because they didnt give u this or that. Next Baium was goijg 100% to ur party u just had to wait a bit longer. Im just sad really :)
hah ofc, u didnt want give us Draco shafts to craft DB so please...silence layer.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on March 02, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
Yes and If i remember correctly the REAL neb wouldn't ever do this sh1t. Im disapointed with you m8. Really disapointed. Just because they didnt give u this or that. Next Baium was goijg 100% to ur party u just had to wait a bit longer. Im just sad really :)
srsly if u would see what answers and lies they said me u would be 100% agree with me, if i rly needed so much that baiums or queen ants i could stay since we got 1 and then scam or smth , but no i just couldn't wait with such behaviour , maybe u dont know some things about them but u will find out soon , anyway some ppl from FC still agree with me and said we did the right thing.
I wanted to post this to TrackZero topic, but he closed it before i could post it.
ADMINS DO NOT DO ANYTHING. This is Lineage 2. It is CLAN LEADER RESPONSIBILITY who to invite to clan.
This shit happend on so many servers already XY times and i have never heard about Admins even CONSIDER to think about returning drops. That is just unthinkable.
This is clan problem. If you invite randoms, liers, it is your problem.
Everytime we were about to finish Epic we clearly shouted what party will pick up and who will come closer will be PKed. From what i recall, in my L2 career, we lost Valakas and Frintezza like that. We did never cry to Admins to return items back. But knew to who we cannt trust anymore.
When dorf make higher price - jail, when thief dont even hide - do nothing. FCUK LOGIC.
They deserve ban. And I wont even comment those ppl from previous topic, you behave like pathetic, mad kids.
yeah banning shop scam when u can see the price and its all obvious but most epic drop in game scam - nah admins wont intefere
Quote from: Zeelgadees on March 02, 2014, 11:29:05 PM
When dorf make higher price - jail, when thief dont even hide - do nothing. FCUK LOGIC.
They deserve ban. And I wont even comment those ppl from previous topic, you behave like pathetic, mad kids.
I think that also dwarf "rules" is so fkcing stupid. If people dont have EYES, they can't simply play L2. Right?
Not sure if retard or troll.
Did you invite him to your clan?
Did you bring him to kill epic?
You failed at clan invite policy. Now you pay. People who did it are untrusty, and they will have hard time to find clan who will invite them, because no one can garantee they will do it again.
Quote from: naTiexu on March 02, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
yeah banning shop scam when u can see the price and its all obvious but most epic drop in game scam - nah admins wont intefere
For your information if you write thay you sell for 15k but in fact you do it for 15kk it is scam, imagine you go to a shop and milk price tag says 10 but in fact they charge you 100
Drop didnt belong to your clan, your clan memebers picked it up (the same members who YOU invited by your own hand) and they left clan, which was their legit right too.
Not any server in the world punish for this, it is lame indeed but not punishable else server becomes corrupted which i believe no1 wants.
like u have any idea of other l2 servers. u have no idea even about retail servers pls dont talk abut lineage history or all l2 servers because U CANT KNOW
Quote from: naTiexu on March 02, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
like u have any idea of other l2 servers. u have no idea even about retail servers pls dont talk abut lineage history or all l2 servers because U CANT KNOW
I do, thays why i dare to speak.
i will stop visit forums, Raid call etc, and i will stop contributing to this server ( voting etc.). U just lost my respect. and btw remove my fraps from ur offical FB page because of CreativeCommons license.
Quote from: naTiexu on March 02, 2014, 11:47:49 PM
i will stop visit forums, Raid call etc, and i will stop contributing to this server ( voting etc.). U just lost my respect. and btw remove my fraps from ur offical FB page because of CreativeCommons license.
Thats sad to hear, however the decission we made is correct and fair, and you know it...
Quote from: naTiexu on March 02, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
like u have any idea of other l2 servers. u have no idea even about retail servers pls dont talk abut lineage history or all l2 servers because U CANT KNOW
LOL. If you know about retail servers, then tell me who ever returned drops to "clan" after "clan" member picked up it?
You call retail here, retail there but you have no clue how retail worked/works.
You seems to be very delusional. There WAS* no rule about scam on retail (selling D gems for SOP). It is not moral, but it is legit. You see what you buy, so it is YOUR stupidity to accapt trade.
*now it is not posible, becouse of different icons of items.
So if i understand good, you want to ban nebunus cp? cuz they picked valky drops and left the clan?? hahahahaha, it's your fault, but nebu cp made a huge mistake now, nobody want those kind of players in clan, and looks like some people doesn't know how clan with CPs works
lol it was nebunu's cp?
Maybe it was a good move if they have a set plan where to go, who to join, and for who they did this move.
I know myself several players from old infinity that have absolutely zero respect to those nolifer kiddo clans, yet they chose not to go the "keep my honor" way like me and they decided to join with single purpose, pretend to be friendly, exploit whatever they can, steal (or get) horn, make noble, and then when there is nothing to gain, desert, join back with their oldschool friends they actually trust and like to play with, and and attack their previous host.
It is very normal and simple. This is why in L2 you take great care who you invite, what is their history, why they left the previous clan, who they played with and what their ex leader think about them, etc.
But no no, "we need moar nolifers" so recruit based in lvl and activity, preferably even whole CP's caring not who comes with them. This is really funny how stupid the clans got these days. Maybe things like that will teach them a lesson and L2 starts to be fun again, aka full of superstition, politics, and people trusting only the guys that has proved themselves over years of friendship. We will again form 2 huge sides almost unchangeable, cause the stuff people did to the other side is pretty much unforgivable so mixing cannot happen. And when someone manages to inflintrate and steal something like valakas, especially this early on. He will become a worst traitor to one side, but a hero to the other. Hence... we are already digging the trenches and dividing the server.
Hush, I like it, I was almost afraid its not gonna happen. I mean even few people from our group got open invites to FC... lol... do you even know who you are inviting? To who the person is actually loyal? Who are his real friends and what he will be working towards? Hint: Its not a victory or prosperity of your clan, no no. Geez... so stupid.
This is L2 at its finest, if u want a carebear game go somewhere else.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on March 03, 2014, 12:35:40 AM
Maybe it was a good move if they have a set plan where to go, who to join, and for who they did this move.
I know myself several players from old infinity that have absolutely zero respect to those nolifer kiddo clans, yet they chose not to go the "keep my honor" way like me and they decided to join with single purpose, pretend to be friendly, exploit whatever they can, steal (or get) horn, make noble, and then when there is nothing to gain, desert, join back with their oldschool friends they actually trust and like to play with, and and attack their previous host.
It is very normal and simple. This is why in L2 you take great care who you invite, what is their history, why they left the previous clan, who they played with and what their ex leader think about them, etc.
But no no, "we need moar nolifers" so recruit based in lvl and activity, preferably even whole CP's caring not who comes with them. This is really funny how stupid the clans got these days. Maybe things like that will teach them a lesson and L2 starts to be fun again, aka full of superstition, politics, and people trusting only the guys that has proved themselves over years of friendship. We will again form 2 huge sides almost unchangeable, cause the stuff people did to the other side is pretty much unforgivable so mixing cannot happen. And when someone manages to inflintrate and steal something like valakas, especially this early on. He will become a worst traitor to one side, but a hero to the other. Hence... we are already digging the trenches and dividing the server.
Hush, I like it, I was almost afraid its not gonna happen. I mean even few people from our group got open invites to FC... lol... do you even know who you are inviting? To who the person is actually loyal? Who are his real friends and what he will be working towards? Hint: Its not a victory or prosperity of your clan, no no. Geez... so stupid.
Again turning video game into philosophy, im rly sorry for you. Btw Track you started this shitstorm with your pointless topic. Telling us about dorfs comparing it to real life situation, dafuq man wake up. Or compare everything like thief reported to autorithies will get some kind of punishment (but you wont be autorithy for players for a long as we see you didnt give a single fcuk about so many important things, votes etc.). You let this pathetic blackphoenix to flame us in every topic while its obvious he is l2tower user, you let zranger users to steal items and when someone got his items gone becuase he is dumb and gave pass you ban scammer and give items back to owner. Rly man i dont understand your logic. And you say you are impartial - seems legit man.
He is legit, and my philosophy worked, and all I can tell now, in Tarantula, it is working once again.
Are you recruiting more CP's and high level EE's? I may have few interested in your.... generous offer. :P I may even give a visit mysel. Namechange 4DC that is 40KK, hairstyle change, different weapon... and who knows who stands near you on next boss... heh. Yes. I like it. But I guess you will QQ and fall apart before that becomes necessary.
Thats how I like the game, what I like in the game, the drama, the politics, the stuff. To me PVP is not that better then grind. It is the juicy stuff I'M after, where the poor innocent souls of the tarded players bleed, not chars.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 02, 2014, 11:49:04 PM
After reconsidering every argument, facts and history of l2 and after consult with other Tara staff we came to the result that this is no scam and no mesures will be taken.
- watchout who you recruit
- watchout how to threat all the member equally
- none of them logged and took items that belong to someone else
- in history of l2 we (nor other servers including official) there wasnt such punishment for it
These are just major facts.
I woll lock the thread to avoid spam.
Thank you
There was. If i remember well, Esteban got 1200h ban for take Valakas (or it was Antharas) and leave Syndicate clan in DNx15 :)
Anyway, i still think that was wrong to ban him or now these guys who left FC.
With love :)
Quote from: blblblblblbl on March 03, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
So if i understand good, you want to ban nebunus cp? cuz they picked valky drops and left the clan?? hahahahaha, it's your fault, but nebu cp made a huge mistake now, nobody want those kind of players in clan, and looks like some people doesn't know how clan with CPs works
we didn't do any mistake , it was their mistake cuz they threated us withought respect at all , and ppl who played with me knows what kind of player i am so im not woried at finding other clan. We joined FC just cuz some friends ask me to join them, we thought they are fine till we saw they need to outnumber every1 else in order to win something.
And for those guys who still make drama about the drops we took ,chill out cuz we took only draco boots , saint spear , angel slayer and some A grade jewels, and i said all that was payback for ignorance that clan showed to us from first day we joined them.
Quote from: Abruzzi on March 03, 2014, 01:59:16 AM
What clan you can find? Who will invite you since 4 ppl log 9 chars and play on bot or Zranger all the time? What you deserve? Done is done but next time when you are on bot you will got ban.
they can check my party 24/7 and see if we are using any kind of programs so np.
we'll see soon fella :)
Quote from: naTiexu on March 02, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
like u have any idea of other l2 servers. u have no idea even about retail servers pls dont talk abut lineage history or all l2 servers because U CANT KNOW
bsoe club dont stop entertaining. Looks like it's you who has no clue about retail servers if ure saying that picking up a drop on epic boss and stealing it is punishable, what an idiot
Everyone brags about zranger. Is that shit working here?
Still cannot understrand one thing
simple question, general not related ONLY to this case
CLAN has rules
CLAN MEMBER goes against rules intentionally, DAMAGING clan (so damaging other ppl)
Who has power to punish such ppl?
Couse such ppl MUST be punished.
and don't say me it's a part of the game.
also in real life it's a part of life to have thief & even worst.
what u say?
it's a part of life??
yes.
u accept it?
really??
gimme your address... i need a new pc, new tv and maybe i give a bang to your sister too.
hey it's a part of life.
well, I dont rly know, and dont even care what happened, just read some sh1t bcz the forum is full with this valakas story.
That's that clanleaders responsibility to chose who can join and who cant join to the clan.
after that its the clanleader's responsibility if he invites a thief.
otherwise everybody would be able to join to a clan without invite... to avoid such situations, a player must be invited to the clan and not just joining and stealing one...
if a clanleader takes everybody, without checking him, then pay...
There is no punishment for picking up Items lol and what world do we live?!
Its the CL fault for picking lame ppl to clan. IMO CL should be banned.
Quote from: VOoDOoT on March 03, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
There is no punishment for picking up Items lol and what world do we live?!
Its the CL fault for picking lame ppl to clan. IMO CL should be banned.
Wow you can make a sentence without flame, clap clap clap, bravo!
who are u my friend?
Dunno why u guys like this question so much. Can you be nice guy only for those who you know? O.o
n3bz your logic and your numbers are just freaked up dude...
firstly you cant possibly have been on 4 baiums since 4 died since server start...
8 AQ which are shared between 2 clans and where i doubt you were there on all cause i was there on every1 and i dont remember your party!!!and i don't even comment on the antharas..
fact number 1, this is a scam and completely proves your character and mindset!!
fact number 2, gms can't do sh1t and shouldn't do anything anyway!!its just pathetic that whole drama in forum was started by a gm (track)
fact number 3, i feel sorry for the next clan that will invite you guys!!
Quote from: Zeelgadees on March 03, 2014, 09:40:04 AM
Dunno why u guys like this question so much. Can you be nice guy only for those who you know? O.o
Did u report me today yet?
Some clans dont recruit and strugle vs huge allies. If u risk inviting ppl u don't trust sure u will have more chances for epics, BUT this can happen and u can't cry to GM.
U couldn't have killed it without them.
There should be no direct punishment by GM.
This should be only disrespect from all server to N3bz or who did this.
Happend to us on other server and couldn't do nothing but hate the guy >:(
next step will be banning ppl for stealing mobs?
Locked.
Case closed