Hey there, as in subject - what is the strongest archer combination ? been thinking about he/pp, he/wl or pr/wl, pr/bd, which one of these is simply the most powerful ? or maybe there is an even more awesome combination ? let me hear about it :D
Quote from: Eqalibur on November 17, 2015, 12:50:06 PM
Hey there, as in subject - what is the strongest archer combination ? been thinking about he/pp, he/wl or pr/wl, pr/bd, which one of these is simply the most powerful ? or maybe there is an even more awesome combination ? let me hear about it :D
PR/WL is a mutant. Therefor you won't reach lvl 81, meaning u won't have fighters will forgotten scroll or lvl 85...I would rule that one out...
About the rest I have no freaking idea :>
Okay, so throwing out pr/wl. Which one of these three woulda been the best pr/bd, he/pp or he/wl ? And im not sure why people are so obsessed with the archer/wl combo, why is it so awesome ?
Well its not awesome but since focuss atk work with bow u got extra crit dmg 2x heal battle roar and revival and cp restore from bravehart + patk from war cry and also if i good know u can enchant thrill fight for decreas penality so u have extra atk speed with low speed decreas so if u enchant IT u can use it eaven if u kiting, if u have slot ofc. But also think about he\wk or pr\aw good combos
strongest archer? renevan ofc 8)
Quote from: LancelotPL on November 17, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
Well its not awesome but since focuss atk work with bow u got extra crit dmg 2x heal battle roar and revival and cp restore from bravehart + patk from war cry and also if i good know u can enchant thrill fight for decreas penality so u have extra atk speed with low speed decreas so if u enchant IT u can use it eaven if u kiting, if u have slot ofc. But also think about he\wk or pr\aw good combos
Wow, so you got 100% crit dmg from focus atk ? that is huge isnt it ? let's say he crits for 3k, then he/wl woulda crit for more than 6k?
Or i did read it wrong and you're refering to 2x heal not a x2 crit dmg :D
Quote from: Blizzer on November 17, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
strongest archer? renevan ofc 8)
what about the most he/wk ?
Strong I would say PR/WL, but is useless if you have a full party with just PR/WL don't you think?
He / Pal is the strongest archer. That's it. You are one of those players which look for extra OP combo huh? Nice. Very basic questions for an F1 champ. What can He/Warlord do ? Yeah, revive, heal, bla bla bla, but will receive tons of damage from mages and especially other archers. You won't stand long in battle. Bye
No1 pointed the 2 top pvp dmg dealing classes yet, keep going guys.
Equalibur its 2x heal focus attk gives 15% not 30 :D. well if duelist spiryt enchanted to pvp gives more glad.he will make more dmg but its easier to kill w/o celestial :D
Quote from: Peorexo on November 17, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
No1 pointed the 2 top pvp dmg dealing classes yet, keep going guys.
Hehehe shh! ;D
Quote from: Peorexo on November 17, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
No1 pointed the 2 top pvp dmg dealing classes yet, keep going guys.
glad/pr, pr/aw ??:D
He asked for STRONG, not the best balanced or the best defense one.
If he think he will not receive any hit, or he will just go against mobs, then I would say PR/WL xD
Archers suck here 8(
Quote from: Naiz on November 18, 2015, 06:55:41 PM
Archers suck here 8(
^^
I dont want even imagine dmg vs dynasty armors...
Quote from: qash on November 18, 2015, 07:14:57 PM
^^
I dont want even imagine dmg vs dynasty armors...
on beta againts dyna+6 our little archer pt was making 2k crits on NOT NERFED mage/tanks and 5k on others.
Really you still think archers are weak and you play your little f1,2 hero debuffs game.
Dont take it as flaming but your setup is just weak
Quote from: Peorexo on November 18, 2015, 07:20:05 PM
on beta againts dyna+6 our little archer pt was making 2k crits on NOT NERFED mage/tanks and 5k on others.
Really you still think archers are weak and you play your little f1,2 hero debuffs game.
Dont take it as flaming but your setup is just weak
Take some pills, srsly.
Quote from: Peorexo on November 17, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
No1 pointed the 2 top pvp dmg dealing classes yet, keep going guys.
He/Glad
TR/DB
Quote from: Peorexo on November 18, 2015, 07:20:05 PM
on beta againts dyna+6 our little archer pt was making 2k crits on NOT NERFED mage/tanks and 5k on others.
Really you still think archers are weak and you play your little f1,2 hero debuffs game.
Dont take it as flaming but your setup is just weak
Ur sh/sk with dc robe against dB+10 +4lvl at qa and baium +Real target should be on Max 1,5 crit. I did test many archers combos with +16 bow and u managed to heal it up with cp pots :) I was tryharding i died milion times and i confirm that there is no point to play archers here. we both know that mages rocks hellbound chronicle thats all.
Quote from: nitr0gen on November 18, 2015, 11:52:45 PM
Ur sh/sk with dc robe against dB+10 +4lvl at qa and baium +Real target should be on Max 1,5 crit. I did test many archers combos with +16 bow and u managed to heal it up with cp pots :) I was tryharding i died milion times and i confirm that there is no point to play archers here. we both know that mages rocks hellbound chronicle thats all.
With proper archer setup you can break this wall, I was playing a lot of archer and kamalol on beta as well, and there was not a single tank i couldnt shred. Remember than on beta there were no shield/d arrow nerfs.
Its not like i dont know that HB chronicle nerfed archers a lot, it is just with substack you have way more options to play your character remember that
Quote from: Peorexo on November 18, 2015, 11:58:17 PM
With proper archer setup you can break this wall, I was playing a lot of archer and kamalol on beta as well, and there was not a single tank i couldnt shred. Remember than on beta there were no shield/d arrow nerfs.
Its not like i dont know that HB chronicle nerfed archers a lot, it is just with substack you have way more options to play your character remember that
You told me Why u was so powerfull :p
Maybe Its all about we got used to op interlude archers :p
Btw. kite would help but not every1 can do it plus sometimes it isnt possible thanks to closecombat areas.
Quote from: Peorexo on November 18, 2015, 11:58:17 PM
With proper archer setup you can break this wall, I was playing a lot of archer and kamalol on beta as well, and there was not a single tank i couldnt shred. Remember than on beta there were no shield/d arrow nerfs.
Its not like i dont know that HB chronicle nerfed archers a lot, it is just with substack you have way more options to play your character remember that
Stop talking about beta.
Quote from: qash on November 19, 2015, 12:10:50 AM
Stop talking about beta.
Why? It's not so early game on this server already, epics are here, enchanted bows as well... plus on beta nerfs on tank skills weren't yet applied ;)
Quote from: nitr0gen on November 18, 2015, 11:52:45 PM
Ur sh/sk with dc robe against dB+10 +4lvl at qa and baium +Real target should be on Max 1,5 crit. I did test many archers combos with +16 bow and u managed to heal it up with cp pots :) I was tryharding i died milion times and i confirm that there is no point to play archers here. we both know that mages rocks hellbound chronicle thats all.
endgame archers > endgame mages eot. its not interlude, stop looking at damage its hellbound not interlude, debuffs range speed atk speed :) especialy with nerfed cancel/steal
Quote from: mruwqa on November 19, 2015, 04:08:55 PM
endgame archers > endgame mages eot. its not interlude, stop looking at damage its hellbound not interlude, debuffs range speed atk speed :) especialy with nerfed cancel/steal
yhm
sure
And what's the deal with the glad/archer combos isn't that like wl/archer but worse? Or do u switch to duals and face melt when they get close? Simply.. How do you work this character?
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 11:54:12 AM
And what's the deal with the glad/archer combos isn't that like wl/archer but worse? Or do u switch to duals and face melt when they get close? Simply.. How do you work this character?
Yes... when someone comes close, you switch dyes, armor, weapons, tattoos, change certs and your complete pvp style :)
Joke aside, like WL doesn't do a train with enemy clan when they come close, and Mage/Tank doesn't draw a Sword and put on Heavy Armor... those combos are basically about improving your main class, stacking buffs and skills active and passive.
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 11:54:12 AM
And what's the deal with the glad/archer combos isn't that like wl/archer but worse? Or do u switch to duals and face melt when they get close? Simply.. How do you work this character?
Ask around for a player called Zedubosque. Was archer/glad. Unstoppable. you could never catch him, awesome damage, properly geared ofc. Imo best archer I saw play. He was in Carebears, I think most people from Infinite Nightmare could vouch for him
Quote from: Jameson on November 20, 2015, 12:33:13 PM
Yes... when someone comes close, you switch dyes, armor, weapons, tattoos, change certs and your complete pvp style :)
Joke aside, like WL doesn't do a train with enemy clan when they come close, and Mage/Tank doesn't draw a Sword and put on Heavy Armor... those combos are basically about improving your main class, stacking buffs and skills active and passive.
yeah captain obvious but that's why i asked the question in the first place coz glad has only 1 skill that wl doesn't have (expect for the skills for duals) and that is the second lvl of war cry on the other side wl has rev,br,tf + more passive hp + lvl 1 of war cry
Quote from: Worrya on November 20, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Ask around for a player called Zedubosque. Was archer/glad. Unstoppable. you could never catch him, awesome damage, properly geared ofc. Imo best archer I saw play. He was in Carebears, I think most people from Infinite Nightmare could vouch for him
from what i understand the glad/archer is all about maxing the shit out of that p atack while also adding some defensive punch with those heavy passives .... well how about archer/wc then? that should be even more op coz u have the soul cry for patak and heavy/light passives also gives atk speed + cov
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 03:13:04 PM
yeah captain obvious but that's why i asked the question in the first place coz glad has only 1 skill that wl doesn't have (expect for the skills for duals) and that is the second lvl of war cry on the other side wl has rev,br,tf + more passive hp + lvl 1 of war cry
And Duelist Spirit, increases general skill PvP damage. Although I don't play archer and no idea if they use skills in PvP or just auto attack.
I doubt that battle roar makes any difference in a party PvP with bishops. For revival, you need to be under 10% which is also quite hard considering how hard mages hit, it's not that you lose your HP in 1% pieces in PvP like on mobs.
So it's basically warcry2, duelist spirit vs. warcry1 and focusattack. Plus the possible skill enchants for those.
And maybe sonic barrier and sonic move, with weapon switch to dual and back to bow in macro. And riposte stance. But not sure if those are good additions for archer.
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 03:13:04 PM
from what i understand the glad/archer is all about maxing the shit out of that p atack while also adding some defensive punch with those heavy passives .... well how about archer/wc then? that should be even more op coz u have the soul cry for patak and heavy/light passives also gives atk speed + cov
I had pr/wc on Shadow here on DN. And the first time i took it for a ride I killed a whole enemy party alone. Was awesome character at the time before mega nerfs. Some guy had a pr/destro, 7k arrows before nerf. When mutants arrive the game was mega awesome :D
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 03:13:04 PM
how about archer/wc then?
Also obvious: no certs, level difference penalties, no 81+ spellbooks, MUCH worse skill enchant succes rates
Quote from: Jameson on November 20, 2015, 03:27:07 PM
And Duelist Spirit, increases general skill PvP damage. Although I don't play archer and no idea if they use skills in PvP or just auto attack.
I doubt that battle roar makes any difference in a party PvP with bishops. For revival, you need to be under 10% which is also quite hard considering how hard mages hit, it's not that you lose your HP in 1% pieces in PvP like on mobs.
So it's basically warcry2, duelist spirit vs. warcry1 and focusattack. Plus the possible skill enchants for those.
And maybe sonic barrier and sonic move, with weapon switch to dual and back to bow in macro. And riposte stance. But not sure if those are good additions for archer.
Ye with the revival its kinda true, br is nice to have as a reserve and also thrill fight should be usefull in full on fights. Duelist spirit might be ok but not sure if it works with other weapons than duals. Focus attack is a polearm only skill aswell i think. And the same with the sonic skills i'm not sure how it works when u switch to duals use em and then switch to another weapon but i think you lose them as soon as you unequip duals
Quote from: Worrya on November 20, 2015, 03:28:26 PM
I had pr/wc on Shadow here on DN. And the first time i took it for a ride I killed a whole enemy party alone. Was awesome character at the time before mega nerfs. Some guy had a pr/destro, 7k arrows before nerf. When mutants arrive the game was mega awesome :D
Well a lot of classes were op as freak when mutants came in ... i think ima end up trying this combo
Quote from: nmveteran on November 20, 2015, 03:47:11 PM
Duelist spirit might be ok but not sure if it works with other weapons than duals. Focus attack is a polearm only skill aswell i think. And the same with the sonic skills i'm not sure how it works when u switch to duals use em and then switch to another weapon but i think you lose them as soon as you unequip duals
Duelist spirit has 2 effects: attack speed (only works with duals) and pvp skill damage (should work with others too). Focus damage is custom setting on this server, somewhere is a forum post where you find exact % increase (I think for pole 30% and other weapons 15%, not sure).
Sonic skills work after switching.
Quote from: Jameson on November 20, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
Duelist spirit has 2 effects: attack speed (only works with duals) and pvp skill damage (should work with others too). Focus damage is custom setting on this server, somewhere is a forum post where you find exact % increase (I think for pole 30% and other weapons 15%, not sure).
Sonic skills work after switching.
Okay thanks for the info those sonic skills might be pretty usefull
Quote from: Worrya on November 20, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Ask around for a player called Zedubosque. Was archer/glad. Unstoppable. you could never catch him, awesome damage, properly geared ofc. Imo best archer I saw play. He was in Carebears, I think most people from Infinite Nightmare could vouch for him
Zedobosque was a good player yes, but his champ was edited on MAX, by a carebear lover GM, let's that be our secret. Thank you. But in reality Glad/He is very OP champ, dies quick, but deals good damage. Maybe best damage. But still I would vote for He/Pal.