Any change? Daggers don't kill with dmg but with full lethals all the time. (yes it's a QQ post)
You can give them as much dmg boost as you want but this sh1t is not fun for anyone (and if it's fun for those daggers they aren't even true dagger players)
It's not even that I get lethal 1 in 50 blows, it's getting 2 FULL lethals in matter of 3 blows ???
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Quote from: mruwqa on December 28, 2016, 09:08:06 PM
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Thats reason enough to delete full lethals from the game
Quote from: mruwqa on December 28, 2016, 09:08:06 PM
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Actually, Eon got right mate. Yes, you gave him lot of dmg. But lethals happen really often
Quote from: mruwqa on December 28, 2016, 09:08:06 PM
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If person executes backstab for this dmg I'm fine with it, but when face stab with excellent shield defense gives full lethal then people get triggered
Quote from: XerXis on December 28, 2016, 09:21:29 PM
Actually, Eon got right mate. Yes, you gave him lot of dmg. But lethals happen really often
wtb interlude lethal chances :D
We are aware what nerf brings, even if it is kiss of eva.
Quote from: stanko on December 28, 2016, 08:28:32 PM
Any change? Daggers don't kill with dmg but with full lethals all the time. (yes it's a QQ post)
You can give them as much dmg boost as you want but this sh1t is not fun for anyone (and if it's fun for those daggers they aren't even true dagger players)
It's not even that I get lethal 1 in 50 blows, it's getting 2 FULL lethals in matter of 3 blows ???
No
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 28, 2016, 10:20:55 PM
We are aware what nerf brings, even if it is kiss of eva.
I believe that lethal was nerfed in other forms: banish seraph / turn undead (Reason: probably was op to kill everything with no effort)
This situation is even more critical, since it's killing other people, and those people cannot even make ANY reaction/counter play to this, and it is happening too
frequently!
Quote from: stanko on December 28, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
I believe that lethal was nerfed in other forms: banish seraph / turn undead (Reason: probably was op to kill everything with no effort)
This situation is even more critical, since it's killing other people, and those people cannot even make ANY reaction/counter play to this, and it is happening too frequently!
As far as i know lethals were untouched, ill speak with Alannah. Anyhow, my point is still the same, nerfing at this point brings nightmares.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 28, 2016, 10:51:00 PM
As far as i know lethals were untouched, ill speak with Alannah. Anyhow, my point is still the same, nerfing at this point brings nightmares.
while that is true, daggers dont even need this full lethals anymore, they have very high base damage output, lethals should be just very rare bonus, and from what we can spectate they are as frequent as 1:10 blows
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 28, 2016, 10:51:00 PM
As far as i know lethals were untouched, ill speak with Alannah. Anyhow, my point is still the same, nerfing at this point brings nightmares.
full lethal 5%, half lethal 15% -> full lethal 1%, half lethal 8%
Backstab full/half lethal (3%/10%) ->full/half lethal (1%/8%) nerfed lethal rates
???
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oOjSXNVihnOj72sQKKMIyTBwtYesvjkHHwV9B_Q8QXQ/edit#gid=0
You need thescary to be banned so finally you can do something on oly? Its also interesting how gms found this moscowfish bug? Are you sure he was the only one with this bug? And how you decide to remove his oly pts? Since he took part in sieges and in trades you have to recover adena from all of his trades and give back Aden to npcs? Yes fears wins on pvps and epics but they were loosing on oly so how much they qq to ban him?
Quote from: Streeter on December 29, 2016, 12:17:42 AM
full lethal 5%, half lethal 15% -> full lethal 1%, half lethal 8%
Backstab full/half lethal (3%/10%) ->full/half lethal (1%/8%) nerfed lethal rates
???
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oOjSXNVihnOj72sQKKMIyTBwtYesvjkHHwV9B_Q8QXQ/edit#gid=0
:)
Scary too stronk :<
Quote from: Abruzzi on December 29, 2016, 12:28:40 AM
You need thescary to be banned so finally you can do something on oly? Its also interesting how gms found this moscowfish bug? Are you sure he was the only one with this bug? And how you decide to remove his oly pts? Since he took part in sieges and in trades you have to recover adena from all of his trades and give back Aden to npcs? Yes fears wins on pvps and epics but they were loosing on oly so how much they qq to ban him?
What the fck are you talking about? I was winning this guy, didn't even think for a second he is edited since he was easy frag, same as most of the people, there is no char on oly I can't win, but it's not even point of topic.
Point is that there are certain situations in game which are not pleasant for any objective person around here, there's this lethal to 1 hp which is totally impossible to outplay, and it would be totally fine IF it was rare, but right now it's everything but rare occasion.
And don't start this story about GM friend clan, organize your clan/ally better, we are not receiving any help in terms of epics/oly/bans/coins/adena/exp, everything is transparent, we are always inviting people for pvps on epics, we are also streaming so you can clearly see what we do/talk, take some notes, ask for advice if you need but don't come up with bullsh1ts just because you're to lazy to do something yourself and then blame it on people who actually can organize.
So Stanko gets owned and he made a QQ post about it, typical fear member.
let me use the perfect answer you all use:
you had months to test this feature on beta and you didn't , and now you QQ about it, get over it.
This QQ post should be deleted, like the other QQ posts people made before about mages and archers, nothing was done than why now its different?
Fear gets different treatment?
Quote from: Alexander on December 29, 2016, 01:41:10 AM
So Stanko gets owned and he made a QQ post about it, typical fear member.
let me use the perfect answer you all use:
you had months to test this feature on beta and you didn't , and now you QQ about it, get over it.
This QQ post should be deleted, like the other QQ posts people made before about mages and archers, nothing was done than why now its different?
Fear gets different treatment?
whats wrong with archers and mages again ?
Quote from: Alexander on December 29, 2016, 01:41:10 AM
So Stanko gets owned and he made a QQ post about it, typical fear member.
let me use the perfect answer you all use:
you had months to test this feature on beta and you didn't , and now you QQ about it, get over it.
This QQ post should be deleted, like the other QQ posts people made before about mages and archers, nothing was done than why now its different?
Fear gets different treatment?
Great answer, you so got me man!
Thought we could all be objective here and realize flaws in game which make everyone suffer, but np, seems you enjoy getting free stuff, let me guess, want us to give you free epics as well, drama makers policy style?
And if you think there are some flaws in archers/mages then I have nothing else to say to you, already showed you on both how it should be done.
Quote from: stanko on December 29, 2016, 01:51:59 AM
Great answer, you so got me man!
Thought we could all be objective here and realize flaws in game which make everyone suffer, but np, seems you enjoy getting free stuff, let me guess, want us to give you free epics as well, drama makers policy style?
And if you think there are some flaws in archers/mages then I have nothing else to say to you, already showed you on both how it should be done.
The only thing you showed me is a river of tears.
I've played dagger for over a year on a server that had "official" files aswell, Hellbound. The daggers were pretty "op" like you would expect. Lethals were fine. It full lethaled alot fo times, like ITS EXPECTED ON HB! But in DN I just think the rates go beyond the normal. I really dont care tbh, but eery single dagger who is on oly AT THE MOMENT don't do nothing else then wait for the lethal. And I ephasis this: NO DAGGER AT THE MOMENT is even close to be skilled at the class by any means. No real dagger mechanics, just critical wound, bluff and spam backstab. I don't see switching the trick or even tricking the bluff. They only wait for the lethal. But oh well. I guess they need that broken lethal land rate to actually get points, since they lack on the skill departement.
P.S: Also, by no means i'm pro at the class I play! But I'm a good observer on what goes down to daggers. And it's sad, but if the daggers that actually are playing the daggers are better then this, they ain't showing it because they are already relying on the lethals.
tbh I agree daggers are kinda hard to play against right now but I personally know that I fail in alot of what I do and that makes it harder, but indeed that even when we play well against them, the rate of the lethals seems quite big, now, as far as I know, daggers have always been hard to deal with in oly if well prepared for oly, not much skill needed so it is to be expected... even when playing well, there is no outplay on lethals
Quote from: Alexander on December 29, 2016, 01:41:10 AM
So Stanko gets owned and he made a QQ post about it, typical fear member.
let me use the perfect answer you all use:
you had months to test this feature on beta and you didn't , and now you QQ about it, get over it.
This QQ post should be deleted, like the other QQ posts people made before about mages and archers, nothing was done than why now its different?
Fear gets different treatment?
I REPEAT once again, there is nothing wrong with archers and mages.
Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on December 29, 2016, 07:24:30 AM
I REPEAT once again, there is nothing wrong with archers and mages.
Also there is nothing wrong with daggers.
Quote from: Chaplin on December 29, 2016, 08:25:13 AM
Also there is nothing wrong with daggers.
I haven't said that there is anything wrong with them either.
Quote from: NunoPitbull on December 29, 2016, 03:39:56 AM
I've played dagger for over a year on a server that had "official" files aswell, Hellbound. The daggers were pretty "op" like you would expect. Lethals were fine. It full lethaled alot fo times, like ITS EXPECTED ON HB! But in DN I just think the rates go beyond the normal. I really dont care tbh, but eery single dagger who is on oly AT THE MOMENT don't do nothing else then wait for the lethal. And I ephasis this: NO DAGGER AT THE MOMENT is even close to be skilled at the class by any means. No real dagger mechanics, just critical wound, bluff and spam backstab. I don't see switching the trick or even tricking the bluff. They only wait for the lethal. But oh well. I guess they need that broken lethal land rate to actually get points, since they lack on the skill departement.
P.S: Also, by no means i'm pro at the class I play! But I'm a good observer on what goes down to daggers. And it's sad, but if the daggers that actually are playing the daggers are better then this, they ain't showing it because they are already relying on the lethals.
its not like u can trick 85lvl :) 85lvl trick seem a bit bullsht im deleting it from bar its just mindfk for yourself, since u use skill that should be close to 100% dtarget and its just waste of time/mana :) ALSO what combos are u expecting on 300 atk speed dagger vs ee/es? :D either u got one back X2 on full debuff or u lose MOST of the time, I did lethal maybe twice in 100fights ive done, Ive got +1 skills tho, this Slyvanas or SWSsup got ++++++ skillz so I guess its WAY easier to lethal then :) :) as im always dagger I can say that pve lethals from blows are DECRASED for sure as in changelog, pvp im not sure since 76lvl stabs vs 85target aint valid testing
BTW Kamaels on this serv are the best HAHAHA totaly as I expected, I will make this char I think its op!! oh wait, what does my skills do :((( (c) L4mb Zerk with antharas and 5oly pts xd
This topic definitely miss clonage guide how to play daggers.
Leave them as they are. Its only place they can shine. 8)
Quote from: mruwqa on December 29, 2016, 11:39:00 AM
its not like u can trick 85lvl :) 85lvl trick seem a bit bullsht im deleting it from bar its just mindfk for yourself, since u use skill that should be close to 100% dtarget and its just waste of time/mana :) ALSO what combos are u expecting on 300 atk speed dagger vs ee/es? :D either u got one back X2 on full debuff or u lose MOST of the time, I did lethal maybe twice in 100fights ive done, Ive got +1 skills tho, this Slyvanas or SWSsup got ++++++ skillz so I guess its WAY easier to lethal then :) :) as im always dagger I can say that pve lethals from blows are DECRASED for sure as in changelog, pvp im not sure since 76lvl stabs vs 85target aint valid testing
BTW Kamaels on this serv are the best HAHAHA totaly as I expected, I will make this char I think its op!! oh wait, what does my skills do :((( (c) L4mb Zerk with antharas and 5oly pts xd
+1
Quote from: Blizzer on December 29, 2016, 11:44:02 AM
This topic definitely miss clonage guide how to play daggers.
Hi?
Quote from: NunoPitbull on December 29, 2016, 03:39:56 AM
I've played dagger for over a year on a server that had "official" files aswell, Hellbound. The daggers were pretty "op" like you would expect. Lethals were fine. It full lethaled alot fo times, like ITS EXPECTED ON HB! But in DN I just think the rates go beyond the normal. I really dont care tbh, but eery single dagger who is on oly AT THE MOMENT don't do nothing else then wait for the lethal. And I ephasis this: NO DAGGER AT THE MOMENT is even close to be skilled at the class by any means. No real dagger mechanics, just critical wound, bluff and spam backstab. I don't see switching the trick or even tricking the bluff. They only wait for the lethal. But oh well. I guess they need that broken lethal land rate to actually get points, since they lack on the skill departement.
And tell me what is doing every single mage/tank on oly ? sof and f1 f1 f1 f1 gf. They seems to be skilled same like daggers.
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
And tell me what is doing every single mage/tank on oly ? sof and f1 f1 f1 f1 gf. They seems to be skilled same like daggers.
And manaburners......
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
And tell me what is doing every single mage/tank on oly ? sof and f1 f1 f1 f1 gf. They seems to be skilled same like daggers.
Go make ~250 points with mage/tank as sylvanas has.
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
Go make ~250 points with mage/tank as sylvanas has.
I will tell you sth with TRACK0 is always repeating, THERE IS NO CHAR FOR EVERYTHING.
MAGE IS GOOD FOR MASS PVP, AND DAGGER IS GOOD FOR OLY.
Quote from: stanko on December 29, 2016, 01:32:50 AM
What the fck are you talking about? I was winning this guy, didn't even think for a second he is edited since he was easy frag, same as most of the people, there is no char on oly I can't win, but it's not even point of topic.
Point is that there are certain situations in game which are not pleasant for any objective person around here, there's this lethal to 1 hp which is totally impossible to outplay, and it would be totally fine IF it was rare, but right now it's everything but rare occasion.
And don't start this story about GM friend clan, organize your clan/ally better, we are not receiving any help in terms of epics/oly/bans/coins/adena/exp, everything is transparent, we are always inviting people for pvps on epics, we are also streaming so you can clearly see what we do/talk, take some notes, ask for advice if you need but don't come up with bullsh1ts just because you're to lazy to do something yourself and then blame it on people who actually can organize.
lethals was made to not be outplayed...u wanna outplay everything...
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 03:00:53 PM
I will tell you sth with TRACK0 is always repeating, THERE IS NO CHAR FOR EVERYTHING.
MAGE IS GOOD FOR MASS PVP, AND DAGGER IS GOOD FOR OLY.
If you think dagger is not good outside of oly, you are braindead.
Quote from: UngO on December 29, 2016, 03:14:18 PM
lethals was made to not be outplayed...u wanna outplay everything...
Yeah and it would be totally fine if it didn't happen this often.
@Scary
I didnt make Kamael cus its op, its pretty balanced on this chronicle at least the one im playing :p lower skill
reuse, soul requirements, lack of few skills like body reconstruction, celestial on slh
etc. few chronicles higher and they become rly op :p i did this char cus my cp needed
prahna and some cc in mass fights, and i like chikins, i would play zerk/slh tbh :p and
yes im not rly a very good oly farmer, need some practice vs daggers, orcs and anything
with lionheart, oh and damn mana burners! but its not like i care alot about olly :p and
ps, from the 2 fights we had in oly i won 2 times so.. :P
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 03:21:48 PM
If you think dagger is not good outside of oly, you are braindead.
If you dont know about what im talking then i think im not the one brainded here mr clever boy.
xD circlejerk
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
If you dont know about what im talking then i think im not the one brainded here mr clever boy.
I'm specifically answering your posts, so it's obvious that i know what are you talking about, mr forum hero in game zero.
Quote from: Abruzzi on December 29, 2016, 12:28:40 AM
You need thescary to be banned so finally you can do something on oly? Its also interesting how gms found this moscowfish bug? Are you sure he was the only one with this bug? And how you decide to remove his oly pts? Since he took part in sieges and in trades you have to recover adena from all of his trades and give back Aden to npcs? Yes fears wins on pvps and epics but they were loosing on oly so how much they qq to ban him?
Tbh we were as suprised as you are about this moscowfish, this guy had legit 0 skill in olympiad.
And i do believe that it is possible to scan logs about datetime of acquired skills (not sure about that never seen it server-side).
And u dare to say we are loosing in oly... KAPPA i have on 2 chars 90% win ratio at this very moment, playing mostly againts this pro oly ru players so pls. Difference is about the number of total players RM has and the amount of daily transfer they are doing, thats all. Winning by going full transfer? Skills :)
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
I'm specifically answering your posts, so it's obvious that i know what are you talking about, mr forum hero in game zero.
So what for you are answering like this if you know its bulshit? Mr attention whore.
Quote from: freefarm on December 29, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
Do you realize that lethal is already fixed and you're still crying cuz wanna be n1 OP EE/ES oly farmer which has no competition at all?
Do you realize how often 1 hp lethal is happening or you are playing here on forum, or on paper and not in game actually?
And thank you very much for worrying about my competition, but once again, only caring for it on forum it seems, since in game you are nowhere to be found.
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
So what for you are answering like this if you know its bulshit? Mr attention whore.
I could ask you the same thing about this topic, since you obviously don't understand the point of it.
Quote from: freefarm on December 29, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
So what is the point of this topic?
At start you can see how fears crying about lethals and now seems like they're winning 90% of oly, what a retards :D
Not everyone can fight daggers without getting a single skill back, not every class can do that. Point of topic stays the same.
Yesterday watching oly it was obvious, Eon getting 3 lethals in one fight. Few other fights dagger making full lethal in the first 10 seconds of fight (all the time close quarter 2x melee chars fighting). This doesnt look like 1%, whats more that pathetic to see chars capable of 5-10k crits, spamming backstabs in front just to get this lethal and brag how lucky they are...
Saying something is annoying to play against and there is no outplay when it happens, is different than saying they lost all matches against it. I still don't know why you guys make comments like this one. If you don't agree with something, say that you don't agree and argue for it. Going full flame/insult is not the right aproach I would say. I know u don't care, and u probably are even doing this on purpose to trigger people, but the question is why ? Can't we all be enemies but friendly at same time ?
This community is getting worse and worse just cause some people just can't see past the clan tags. Get over it and be human, not fking wild animals driven by instict and egos
Quote from: freefarm on December 29, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
So you telling me that he has survived 3x lethals and in the same time he cant outplay lethal?
Arguing about chances is just ridiculous, so i wont touch this theme from the point chance is already fixed.
Making 3 lethals in span of 30 seconds is ridiculous, thats the fact. That he survived just shows how noob daggers in this server are.
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
I could ask you the same thing about this topic, since you obviously don't understand the point of it.
In every other topics when someone told that there is sth op you were saying... Omg stop cry... Learn how to play...
And what is diffrent in this topic? Only that this is nerf wanted by your clan, so its good for serwer... Maybe its time for you to learn sth, instead of every oly fight sof and hydro hydro hydro gf.
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 08:56:51 PM
In every other topics when someone told that there is sth op you were saying... Omg stop cry... Learn how to play...
And what is diffrent in this topic? Only that this is nerf wanted by your clan, so its good for serwer... Maybe its time for you to learn sth, instead of every oly fight sof and hydro hydro hydro gf.
It's amazing how some totally random guy who probably doesn't even have lvl 70 IG talks on forum to other people how they should learn sth :D
Dude you are no1. You do nothing and you accomplished nothing ig. You are ABSOLUTELY in no f*cking position to tell me that i should learn sth. So please, go work on yourself man...
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 09:20:22 PM
It's amazing how some totally random guy who probably doesn't even have lvl 70 IG talks on forum to other people how they should learn sth :D
Dude you are no1. You do nothing and you accomplished nothing ig. You are ABSOLUTELY in no f*cking position to tell me that i should learn sth. So please, go work on yourself man...
:) You should learn respect to other people even if they dont agred with you. PM me when you will learn it, then we can talk. Since then you are...just rude hillarious hypocrite.
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 09:33:12 PM
:) You should learn respect to other people even if they dont agred with you. PM me when you will learn it, then we can talk. Since then you are...just rude hillarious hypocrite.
Yeah when you run out of flames and bullsh1ts then u swap to "I'm a good guy and you're rude" tactics... Dude please, spare me...
Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 09:37:16 PM
Yeah when you run out of flames and bullsh1ts then u swap to "I'm a good guy and you're rude" tactics... Dude please, spare me...
There is never sth like "run out of flames", i simply realized that you will never agreed with me even if im right, since im random and didnt acomplsehed nothing :D so arguing with you is just waste of time.
Go back to topic, with is crying for nerf. GL in this, i hope track will nerf daggers, and you will easier win everything :)
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
There is never sth like "run out of flames", i simply realized that you will never agreed with me even if im right, since im random and didnt acomplsehed nothing :D so arguing with you is just waste of time.
Go back to topic, with is crying for nerf. GL in this, i hope track will nerf daggers, and you will easier win everything :)
Even disabling lethal is not nerfing daggers, how can class get nerfed when backstab is just bether version of lethal right ?
Quote from: artMaster on December 29, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
There is never sth like "run out of flames", i simply realized that you will never agreed with me even if im right, since im random and didnt acomplsehed nothing :D so arguing with you is just waste of time.
Go back to topic, with is crying for nerf. GL in this, i hope track will nerf daggers, and you will easier win everything :)
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Quote from: GhostSlayer on December 29, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
I could ask you the same thing about this topic, since you obviously don't understand the point of it.
The point of this topic is that Fear losing Olympiad and you decided that its a good time to use the QQ card and hope Trackzero will fack the rest of the server just to please your dreams of making heroes.
Quote from: Alexander on December 30, 2016, 01:20:19 AM
The point of this topic is that Fear losing Olympiad and you decided that its a good time to use the QQ card and hope Trackzero will fack the rest of the server just to please your dreams of making heroes.
Last time I checked I had more points than your whole clan so dunno who is losing :)
Quote from: Alexander on December 30, 2016, 01:20:19 AM
The point of this topic is that Fear losing Olympiad and you decided that its a good time to use the QQ card and hope Trackzero will fack the rest of the server just to please your dreams of making heroes.
Nothing personal, but I think that you've missed the whole point of this topic!
You are all a bunch of sooks, Harden the fuk up!!
Crying about lethal ?? what about pvp vs mage? 9 mages and 1x mcrit dead? dead in seconds
And not to mention the tyrant/dest, in ff/zel/bison. you only have to feel the breeze off of there claws and you're dead. 1 to 2 seconds of normal hitting you and you're on ya back..!
Quote from: BrickShytHouse on December 30, 2016, 04:35:42 PM
And not to mention the tyrant/dest, in ff/zel/bison. you only have to feel the breeze off of there claws and you're dead. 1 to 2 seconds of normal hitting you and you're on ya back..!
you can expect des/tyr damage, as you can expect dagger damage, you can predict their DPS and try to play around it, lethal is always unexpected and pretty much instant-win mechanic where any player skill is not required
tyr-des is nerfed since u cant use fist fury with every weapon apart from fist. and turst me i can hit same dmg all over with destro pala.
pvp against mages? when u guys have no idea how to buff then obv u get that dmg...
watch fears new archer pt. the amount of cry was about archers being weak and mages are op, they made archers now and i can tell u that they make better dmg with them to players/bosses.
Quote from: StonerBashin on December 30, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
Crying about lethal ?? what about pvp vs mage? 9 mages and 1x mcrit dead? dead in seconds
Nice buffs you have :)
Delete / nerfe all skills lets fight with sticks lal.
uuuu pro tarlisa clan and top pt cry ??
uuu uuuu uuuuu uuuu not so pro ;D
Quote from: skarpeta on December 31, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
uuuu pro tarlisa clan and top pt cry ??
uuu uuuu uuuuu uuuu not so pro ;D
Cant believe people take this topic as our personal cry and go full retard on party which is simply unstoppable in pvp.
If there wouldnt be this lethals at all, most of this halfbaked daggers would dissapear from olympiad, thats just the fact.
There are some which plays correctly and rest f1 nad #pray