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Started by Blind, March 15, 2014, 09:16:47 PM

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Blind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss

I am ashamed that I am a citizen of Russia.
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Quote from: mr_Facke on March 15, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss

I am ashamed that I am a citizen of Russia.
Yet i dont understand why USA has to involve in every shit which isnt related to them. Im not taking either side, but what really pisses me off is bad propaganda against russia that will be incoming in following days...
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Blind

I see u`re talking about Kosovo. But the unusual combination of factors found in the Kosovo situation â€" including the context of Yugoslavia’s breakup, the history of ethnic cleansing and bloody crimes against civilians in Kosovo from Serbians, and the extended period of U.N. administration â€" are not found elsewhere and therefore make Kosovo a special case.
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silent_death

Quote from: mr_Facke on March 15, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss

I am ashamed that I am a citizen of Russia.

If a similar situation arose on the US boarders (e.g. Mexico decided to go socialist or join up in any sort of union with anti-american countries), the US would just go about their behind the scenes 'pull-the strings' and well known assassination tactics to keep their public face of a "fortress of democracy and free speech".

The Russians don't freak around with that stuff, they just send the army in.
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Blind

Quote from: silent_death on March 16, 2014, 02:20:51 AM
If a similar situation arose on the US boarders (e.g. Mexico decided to go socialist or join up in any sort of union with anti-american countries), the US would just go about their behind the scenes 'pull-the strings' and well known assassination tactics to keep their public face of a "fortress of democracy and free speech".

The Russians don't freak around with that stuff, they just send the army in.

To be honest, Russians, because of their ambitions put the safety of all mankind before the threat of global nuclear war. This is unacceptable.
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Quote from: mr_Facke on March 16, 2014, 09:46:30 AM
To be honest, Russians, because of their ambitions put the safety of all mankind before the threat of global nuclear war. This is unacceptable.
Vuctor, in the end of the day its a thng between russia and ucrain and there whole issue should  end. USA influence is ridicolous and very iritating on the global level. People by default are mediocritetes, they eat what mass media serves them. To support this, ill just give you an example that everyone can see; every country that was attacked in holywood movies happened in reality years after.
That hate propaganda they seed against Russia is unacceptable, in the end if they are so brave why they dont do anything serious vs them? But no they bully all the countries which are 100 years behind them.
Im not proud of what RUS or UA doing, i hate violence, but they should solve it on their own because only them understand the core meaning of the problem.
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LadyZENITH

I think people from Ukraine should comment this the most. I can only give an outsider perspective from living in Czech republic.

The scenario on Ukraine seems way too familiar with the scenarios from other countries last years. Relatively stable country, where conflict erupts, random hired guns and extremists start shooting against police and provoking general unrest, when police fights back US and EU quickly comes to say that the government is the biggest evil, end that they will start to undermine it and support the opposition to overthrow it. The opposition that consist mostly of their mercenaries. And those have been ranging all the way from terrorists to nazies, just different country, different local troublemakers.

They did that to overthrow anyone they disliked. First Quadafi and then others and others cause he for example wanted to stop using dollars and create new central cross-African currency based on gold, etc. That would weaken American influence and economy = bombing or invasion. Directly or not.

It s really hard to pick a side, but people in my country are mostly sided with Russia at this moment. Cause the other side ATM represents much bigger evil. EU is a piece of shit, everyone around feels like that these days. The government and media that are corrupted will say otherwise but in reality everyone hates it, its nasty influence, regulations. Before EU our country produced... lets say 2x more food then it needs. Now it needs to be imported cause EU placed regulations based on the population, etc. And now we eat this shitty quality Polish stuff and pay 2x more for it or buy the higher quality and pay 4x more for it. The prices are on the German level but the salaries are 4x smaller. I had to quit my favourite job cause it was no longer enough to pay for rent and food. People now have to go in debts if they want to move out to make own family, a giant ones not manageable ones like in the past. Some need to take them to even pay for studies. Now we cannot even buy classic light-bulbs cause EU clased them as eco hazard and banned their production.

After a few years of relative freedom we have also quickly shifted back to censored media. Media always take very pro-western points of view and things that do not reflect that are not mentioned at all. The massive issues and demostrations in Spain, how things developed on Iceland, etc. You pretty much never hear about it.

Since we joined EU everything went to shit. It did not help, it did not provide new job or opportunities heh, the other way. It opened even more doors to the corruption circling around EU donations, etc. Not to mention the EU does not see beyond German border. For example here we have a Gypsy population of degenerate people, and I seriously mean it. That just exploit the social system. PEople that never work, spawen 8-12 kinds with whoever they see (including own family) they receive money for them that is x-times more then my salary of a working person, those kids are not sent to schools, most of those people cannot really even write or articulate any official language. The money they are given all end in drugs or alcohol.

Sometimes they are even given new flats to live in, which they instantly demolish. They tear-out the tubes are sell them for metal-money, so next week they have no running water and shit on the floor or in front of the house. Compare that to ordinary person that need to go to giants debts to obtain such a flat to live in and never receives any help.

Then some of them raped a pair of people, a guy and girl wihch was pregnant assaulted by like 8 of them. And none even gives them any serious jail sentence cause that would be racist. Then people have enough, they go to the streets and masses of police stops them, and EU + media starts calling them racist, own normal citizen, and that we should help the gypsies.

Most of the people are getting so desperate that they would rather revert to communism cause the current life standards always went way beyond. And that I did not even mention the other scum from Ukraine that come here and do illegal jobs for smaller money, thus taking jobs from locals, and they even get financial support for being here. Some even tactically come here to spawn their children and then go back again receiving the support. Then we have the wealthy ones, usually from Russia that buy whole blocks of cities. The historical center... you will pretty much not hear local language there anymore.

Its bleak and people slowly start to have enough of this shit. EU is a piece of shit and Russia is not much better. Since here most of the damage is cause by EU and capitalism, people will go against that. People want democracy and justice. Not economy based on debts and injustice at every corner, and that's what the Western powers brought here, and that's why they are hated.
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Blind

2 Nikola. I may be wrong but it seems to me that you hate US because they interfered in the incident with Kosovo and helped to civilians (rly sry, if i`m wrong). Anyway, in some case i agree with u about fact that the US intervenes in the аffairs of other countries. But u can't deny other fact that the world community needs a guarantor of security. And who is, instead of the USA, best achieved suited for this role?

2 LadyZENITH. I`m sry, d`u rly wana back to communism? Should i remind u Warsaw Pact invasion to Czechoslovakia in 1968 and raped ur freedom? D`u think it`s normal?
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LadyZENITH

No I don't want. Remember I always said "most of the people". Well I'm not most of the people. But I see their point. The invasion in 1968 was a betray. A double one to be exact. Soviet betrayed us cause our communism was different then theirs and they were afraid that we would leave them like Austria did back then. And the same time, West betrayed us as well by not helping us at all. Plain a simple. And in 1938 they betrayed us even more by agreeing that Hitler should take over rather then risking war. Well, we all know how that ended. So really who is the bigger evil and who to hate....

ATM the bigger evil is definitely USA and their asslickers, aka 90% of the "western" world.

As it comes to Ukraine, everyone is a toothless coward. None will go against Russia. What do you expect now? Start fighting when they already let the Russian troops to their territory? You shoot the first hostile soldier crossing the line, not QQ after you let an entire army go in there. USA are only used to attack countries that cannot defend themselves. Here they cannot do a shit and they will not do a shit. This unrest will spread and the entire eastern Ukraine will separate and join with Russia in a few months. It is actually worth it for them, there is zero benefit not doing that. The economy is totally death there, and by separating they get rid of all the debts, while the western part will carry all the debts heh, and with them, they can happily asslick USA and even join EU, it may even fasten the demise of this organization,  cause the more UK in EU, the more UK people coming here, the more anxiety against them and against the EU, serves me right.
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Blind

2 LadyZENITH. The problem is that Russia's actions in the Crimea constituted violations of all canons of international law. Imo in this situation US and EU shouldn`t stand aside.

2 TheBlackPhoenix. Putin had Nobel for Peace? Any proof?
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Quote from: TheBlackPhoenix on March 16, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
Putin = Hitler
Gay = Hebrew / Jews
Said by Italian  who have a history of tyranny and humiliation of humans.
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Hi Mussolini
Hi Silvio

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Blind

Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on March 16, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
Said by Italian  who have a history of tyranny and humiliation of humans.
Hi Roman empire
Hi Mussolini
Hi Silvio

Italians = arrogant assholes with ego lvl 99 R grade

I don`t wana be rude, but the times of italian glory are gone long time ago. Imo atm Italy is mostly a Third World country. No offence to italians like a ppl, i always like`em aka persons.
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