Daggers Weapons

[Karma]

Nice damage you did on a C5/IL L2j server.   

Btw sonic blaster with blunt + full charge + Zealot is not doing x4 damage at skill crit on DN. It's exactly x2.

Edit:
@Karma
I meant, you hit "400 - 700" or "1.2k - 2k" on "mage or archer" by "SS or DD" with "PoWind or CoV". We can understand that the damages were different in different settings and nothing more.

You better test on exactly same setting AND just change only 1 factor then we can compare the influence of the factor. In your case, set 1 target, check damage changing only dagger, always with same buff on both an attacker and a target.

If you are carefull enough to see the difference from the type of class/equipments, just do the same on different targets and do not mix up the results. or we cannot even understand that a damage was dealt on which target, by which weapon.

Btw as long as I know, PoWind increases the blow damage by about 20% as well as critical by normal attack only when hitting from behind.

I tested dagger today with


Full buff + COV and like i said

DD+MS+6 hit from 400-700 and from SS+CD+8 was 1,2 - 2k.

Testers :

HE/WK 80 lvl with dynasty light set +3 without boss jewel set.
PR/WL 80 lvl with dynasty light set +3 with boss jewel set
HE/PP 80 lvl with dynasty heavy set +3 with AQ only.

dmg at this 3 character was the same.

From DD 400-700 from SS was 1,2-2k - and dont talk this is normal lol.

[Finisterre]

I don't have time to play guessing "who is attacker/target and what's his p.atk/p.def" game with you.

I've done some testing. I think I found the formula for skill damage excluding blows and charge skills. 

[Karma]

I don't have time to play guessing "who is attacker/target and what's his p.atk/p.def" game with you.

I've done some testing. I think I found the formula for skill damage excluding blows and charge skills. 

For first what i know dagger dont care about his P.atk.  And also they have def beetween (with greater shield) 1200 to 1500

[XForCE]

Nice damage you did on a C5/IL L2j server.   

Btw sonic blaster with blunt + full charge + Zealot is not doing x4 damage at skill crit on DN. It's exactly x2.

imagine a DHA+health with rage + frenzy + zeolet + AI + GL skills for about 4x amp and affected by AI & zeolet .
sonic storm u = kill like 6 ppl near each other

[Finisterre]

Sample attacker
Human STR 37 (-4 STR from Symbol, +1 from Draco armor set)
Buff : Might, DW, DoFire, CoV, BoQueen
Skill Power : 5479 (BackStab +0)
Soul Separator+CD : Power 200
Visious Stance : Power 610
Passive Crt Power : Power 385

Sample defender
P.def : 1200 or 1500


Soul Separator+CD+8
P.atk : 851

DMG on calc (Min - Max / Min - Max with Visious Stance)
P.def : 1200
1060 - 2307 / 1235 - 2657

P.def : 1500
848 - 1846 / 988 - 2126

{ (851 x 2 + 5479) x 1.35 x 1.35 x 1.2 x 1.25 ± 5% + 585(1195 with Visious Stance) x 6 } x 70 / 1500 x 0.82


Demon Dagger+MM+6
P.atk : 700

P.def : 1200
965 - 2110 / 1140 - 2460

P.def : 1500
772 - 1688 / 912 - 1968


Darkelven Dagger+MM+6
P.atk : 502

P.def : 1200
915 - 2001 / 1090 - 2351

P.def : 1500
732 - 1601 / 872 - 1881


I didn't consider any factor you didn't mention. (Focus skills Augments Transfer Pain Clan skills etc)  Used formula I confirmed on Arena by hundreds of blow. No boss jewels and always with Soul Shot on calculation.

According to your result, only I can say atm is maybe you don't have enough samples to know your Min-Max damage exactly (skill crit rate of blow is not enoguh high to see the damage range by, even 50 BackStabs) tho the damages with DD is too low.

Don't misunderstand that I'm calling you "noob dagger". "Pro dagger" means, not the color/grade/SA of gears nor freakin knowledge about blow damage calculation but play style. I only pointed out the facts from that I could know.

[Karma]

Sample attacker
Human STR 37 (-4 STR from Symbol, +1 from Draco armor set)
Buff : Might, DW, DoFire, CoV, BoQueen
Skill Power : 5479 (BackStab +0)
Soul Separator+CD : Power 200
Visious Stance : Power 610
Passive Crt Power : Power 385

Sample defender
P.def : 1200 or 1500


Soul Separator+CD+8
P.atk : 851

DMG on calc (Min - Max / Min - Max with Visious Stance)
P.def : 1200
1060 - 2307 / 1235 - 2657

P.def : 1500
848 - 1846 / 988 - 2126

{ (851 x 2 + 5479) x 1.35 x 1.35 x 1.2 x 1.25 ± 5% + 585(1195 with Visious Stance) x 6 } x 70 / 1500 x 0.82


Demon Dagger+MM+6
P.atk : 700

P.def : 1200
965 - 2110 / 1140 - 2460

P.def : 1500
772 - 1688 / 912 - 1968


Darkelven Dagger+MM+6
P.atk : 502

P.def : 1200
915 - 2001 / 1090 - 2351

P.def : 1500
732 - 1601 / 872 - 1881


I didn't consider any factor you didn't mention. (Focus skills Augments Transfer Pain Clan skills etc)  Used formula I confirmed on Arena by hundreds of blow. No boss jewels and always with Soul Shot on calculation.

According to your result, only I can say atm is maybe you don't have enough samples to know your Min-Max damage exactly (skill crit rate of blow is not enoguh high to see the damage range by, even 50 BackStabs) tho the damages with DD is too low.

Don't misunderstand that I'm calling you "noob dagger". "Pro dagger" means, not the color/grade/SA of gears nor freakin knowledge about blow damage calculation but play style. I only pointed out the facts from that I could know.

Nice DMG Fin, but on dragon i dont have it from DD. Also i talk with my friend what DMG he do with his DD and almost same like me. I dont know wtf is on ARENA but, HEY! Its not dragon

I play dagger from C3, so i know little about it.

[Finisterre]

Who didn't mention about serevr is YOU. Not me. And those calculation are done for you. I've checked accuracy of the formula even more carefully to write those reply.

This is my attitude. And I don't like yours.

P.S
This formula is confirmed on dragon too (with Demon Dagger+Mortal Strike+5. Don't have Soul Separator+CD+8 on dragon).

If you want to find the reason of "funny" blow damage, just tell me the actual damages and

1. P.atk
2. all crit damage relating buffs you got on tests. If you don't write all crit damage buffs, just don't use crit buffs at all on tests.
Do not use Focus Power or Focus Death. If you use em, you need to make sure the direction of launching skills.
3. level of the passive: Crit Power. level of Visious Stance and name of weapon/SA if you use Visious Stance or SA crt damage on the test
4. P.def of the target. I don't need the list of equipments on targets. Only P.def is neccessary to check the damages.

If you don't like to consider the influences of attribute, do not use any attribute buffs like holy weapon, holy blade, infernal form on attacker. (holy attacks are resisted by resist holy/DP/dynasty set, fire attacks by EP/resist fire/SoFlameguard/infernal form/valakas necklace)