why were the Spoil rates changed?

[Oo]

To summarize:

The Beginning:
Initially we had "just" dynamic rate curve and generic craft mats had 3x max quantity

The Complain:
Some people complained that, by unluck, item had a bad feeling of spoiling because ok you was getting 1-3 quantity (instead of 1) but chances was 3% so over 100 mobs usually 97 was empty. Bad Feeling and ragequit.

The First Solution:
Change the boost from quantity to a boost to chances (using correct math approach so the conversion rate remains same (1% rate = 2% max quantity))
This way, over 100 mobs, instead of have 3 lucky mobs that can give you 1-3, you have 6-7 mobs that each of them gives 1.
Is a bit better feeling as you feel more rewarded (less empty mobs).

The Problem (second complain):
The spoil is caplimited to 99% chances, so items that was already at 99% (or near that value) had NO benefits from the change of "quantity-to-chances".
The First Solution was basically giving more reward toward mid-low level monsters and basically zero boost rewards to high level monsters.

The Second and Final Solution (right now):
When adding the extra chance, the value that goes over 99% is considered Overflow.
The Overflow is then recalculated and feeded back the the max quantity (same ratio 1% chance = 2% max quantity)
The system, this way, seems pretty solid and fair for all levels and i dont see further development required over it (finally i can focus on other stuffs)


examples spoil of Crafted Leather:
here it overflows (with the boost it was going over 99%) so the chances are caplimited to 99% and quantity is raised accordly:
http://www.dragon-network.net/drop/npcinfo.php?from_level=0&id=21395&server_id=1

here it does not overflows (under 99%) so the chances is raised but not the quantity:
http://www.dragon-network.net/drop/npcinfo.php?id=22051&server_id=1&from_level=0

The values you see on Monster Finder are already final and fully calculated.
(Spoil skill level may reduce the % of spoiling from the enlisted values)

For example , you need only:

• 234 Stone of Purity
  2242 Varnish
  7790 Animal Bone
  80 Mold Lubricant
  80 Mold Hardener
  40 Mold Glue
  15480 Thread
  77 Enria
  231 Suede
  1694 Mithril Ore
  9240 Iron Ore
  154 Oriharukon Ore
  1386 Coal
  1386 Charcoal

to craft Arcana Mace (60%).

It's just PvE server? With that spoil system everyone should spoil 3-6 months (?) before start PvP?

[vaiper]

For example , you need only:

• 234 Stone of Purity
  2242 Varnish
  7790 Animal Bone
  80 Mold Lubricant
  80 Mold Hardener
  40 Mold Glue
  15480 Thread
  77 Enria
  231 Suede
  1694 Mithril Ore
  9240 Iron Ore
  154 Oriharukon Ore
  1386 Coal
  1386 Charcoal

to craft Arcana Mace (60%).

It's just PvE server? With that spoil system everyone should spoil 3-6 months (?) before start PvP?

I already have 90% of those items, remember that u can spoil the better grade materias instead of spoiling all the basic stuff

[Oo]

I already have 90% of those items, remember that u can spoil the better grade materias instead of spoiling all the basic stuff

Are you solo player?

[lasombra]

For example , you need only:

• 234 Stone of Purity
  2242 Varnish
  7790 Animal Bone
  80 Mold Lubricant
  80 Mold Hardener
  40 Mold Glue
  15480 Thread
  77 Enria
  231 Suede
  1694 Mithril Ore
  9240 Iron Ore
  154 Oriharukon Ore
  1386 Coal
  1386 Charcoal

to craft Arcana Mace (60%).

It's just PvE server? With that spoil system everyone should spoil 3-6 months (?) before start PvP?

Why You wanna w8 with pvp to S grade ? In old times we pvp-ed in d/c/b and was fuking great.
Now ppl need full S and boss jevelery to even start flag, wtf is going on ?

[lNecropsy]

people will never be happy.

Dont want to spoil mats? Buy it !

I lvled from 58 to 70  killing fking Pilgrim of Splendor, etc, and I got ZERO DC gloves rcp.
So, I can cry at forum. But it wont solve anything. So i'll just buy it

[=drake=]

For example , you need only:

• 234 Stone of Purity
  2242 Varnish
  7790 Animal Bone
  80 Mold Lubricant
  80 Mold Hardener
  40 Mold Glue
  15480 Thread
  77 Enria
  231 Suede
  1694 Mithril Ore
  9240 Iron Ore
  154 Oriharukon Ore
  1386 Coal
  1386 Charcoal

to craft Arcana Mace (60%).

It's just PvE server? With that spoil system everyone should spoil 3-6 months (?) before start PvP?

I think you missed a big point, please re-read it.
Now over same time you get more constant mats at low-mid levels even if you are unlucky but on high levels (where chances are already high) you get more quantity correctly translated.

So the current system is rewarding at all levels. Hard to complain about it (except if you want a 5000x server, but even then... it would fail because 5000x on spoil means nothing without this new overflow system. You would have 5000% chances to drop ONE )

[=drake=]

I lvled from 58 to 70  killing fking Pilgrim of Splendor, etc, and I got ZERO DC gloves rcp.
So, I can cry at forum. But it wont solve anything. So i'll just buy it

There is a big reason why recipes dont get additional boosts (beside the normal dynamic spoil rate): CRAFTING SHOPS

If recipes was appearing everywhere there would be no reason for craft shops.

[lNecropsy]

There is a big reason why recipes dont get additional boosts (beside the normal dynamic spoil rate): CRAFTING SHOPS

If recipes was appearing everywhere there would be no reason for craft shops.

yes, for sure i prefer using craft shops then get twice the same recipe.
But DC gloves rcp is not spoilable. Its only by normal drop, and you need 1 recipe to use it.

Btw, lineage is very crazy. If you get a recipe of cake IRL, and you make a Cake, you wont put your recipe inside the cake to 'craft' it      hahaha

[vaiper]

Btw, lineage is very crazy. If you get a recipe of cake IRL, and you make a Cake, you wont put your recipe inside the cake to 'craft' it      hahaha

Thats why they dont eat many cakes in korea

[Kaafrea]

tell me real % for this recipe? (dc boots) 2h spoil, spoiler lvl 67 like mob. % 13% ? no way

[vaiper]

tell me real % for this recipe? (dc boots) 2h spoil, spoiler lvl 67 like mob. % 13% ? no way

I got 2 in 25 min.

U must be using wrong food or its the wrong type of mob

[Vendettacz]

http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/quest-more/beast-farm-spoil enjoy.