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Started by NunoPitbull, October 14, 2016, 04:36:53 PM

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NunoPitbull

We shouldn't be wasting time at the begining of the server with TvTs and such minor stuff. Noone will care enough for the TvTs in the beginning. And TBH thats more of a "high rate lol java" server thingie. Can cause bad impression for real clans moving here aswell. I agree it could be implemented, but later on after you analyse what kind of population you have and if it's even necessary.

Also, I don't really see the delay on the launch. One more week to test stuff would be enough.
Important points:
1) Make party UDs not stack. (30sec in between)
2) Fix Toggle shield fortress for at least 50% reduction on its total effect in Robes/25% reduction in light) - Clonage tested this, and seriously should be nerfed a bit :)
3) Small overall inside tests like adena/spoil rates/quest rewards etc. To check everything is fine and ready.
4) Discuss and present ALL the changes made.
5) Make sure you have someone 100% of the time, looking at the server if it goes down BY ANY REASON to be able to launch a scipt to put it back up and check if all NPC's and servers were loaded correctly and server is backup and 100% functional.

Worried about advertising? One week is more then enough. Don't expect to bring alot of people who are gonna stay loyal for the long term playing here. 2 major big servers retail like are beeing opened. Retail-players won't come here. Sad but true. But the old substack players will for sure. And for that it isn't necessary a big scale advertising. Simply a mail to the old player database/facebook advertising is necessary.
If you want more advertising you can keep doing it after you open the server in the following weeks. (After you also confirm you can maintain the sserver up for at least 24h+ with constant DDoS attacks - cause there will be for sure, since it happens always xD)

Also a good point by "SoniQ88" - we have Twitch streams. The sooner you open it with stable environment (AKA those 4 point above at least functional) and people start streaming, the more propaganda you will have. And the faster people will join.

Thats only my opinion. I wrote this on another topic, but I wanted to make this one so maybe I could get an answer on why is it delayed. Cause if really its about taking care of advertising, it won't help doing large scale one with the servers we know that are opening soon. Substack people will know DN is opening they will come. Retail players that like retail servers won't come here with well-knowed retail servers opening.

I'm jsut worried cause it's been 2 weeks since no changes were made (at least info given to us)

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I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.

And btw, if we start to throw numbers how many players will join or not and spam with numbers then im affraid we are at the end on its start. Players should join because they like the features and chronicle, not because we have 1 or 1000000 players. Once server starts and if your 1st question is "HOW MANY ONLINE" , you should log off and quit instantly.
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Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.

I understand, the thing is the longer it goes by, people will start thinking wether to stay here or not. I just think October was your perfect month to open the server and net out as many players as you can, with Twitch streams aswell. Since in less then a month L2 streams will be populated with famous L2Streamers and DN won't make the top viewed :)

I'm not trying to rush, I just don't get why the long waiting (Over a month now or more?). What is not working/what still needs to be done. Since i'm in the dark like the rest of the community. If the posts made about teh changes are working and those 5 points i included above are ready to go, Whats the hold up?:P

Anyways, I'm jsut worried, don't get me wrong :)


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Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it blabla
that's the point - you still don't get it why you have to make BIG opening 3rd time in 3 years. Let me give you a hint - people want to play with other people, not with mobs. And if you have less than 100 players it's hard to have some fun, even on high rate servers.
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Quote from: Blizzer on October 14, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
that's the point - you still don't get it why you have to make BIG opening 3rd time in 3 years. Let me give you a hint - people want to play with other people, not with mobs. And if you have less than 100 players it's hard to have some fun, even on high rate servers.
And now you can delete my post as always in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..

I don't get your reply. This is not a flame or "bring-back-past-feelings" kind of post.

I just can agree that the only way this server is gonna bring any more people that is gonna already have(hopefully around 1k) is with advertising AFTER server is launched and stable. people will see new and improved HR and taht is actually stable and beeing streamed by people. This sense of security will bring old people who were deciding to join or not :) the quality of the server will make its own advertising. And I trully beleive after 1-2 weeks of server beeing stable and with some streams it will reahc the 2k+ mark. But it all will go accordingly with the time its gonna open :P

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Quote from: =^TrackZero^= on October 14, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
I still dont get it whats up with such big rush all of a sudden? Between 30th oct and 10th Nov aint much time, yet we want all things to work properly. Last update we did, finally fixed crashbug but still missing 2 more features which will be resolved hopefully by the end of this week.
Rushing really doesnt help, nor additinal pressure as well.

And btw, if we start to throw numbers how many players will join or not and spam with numbers then im affraid we are at the end on its start. Players should join because they like the features and chronicle, not because we have 1 or 1000000 players. Once server starts and if your 1st question is "HOW MANY ONLINE" , you should log off and quit instantly.

With all respect Track, but I think that you miss the point. The reason why people rush for server is just because you told that opening will be October like. The another fact is that you and your crew many times "freaked" up things on this gaming platform, and thats the real fact, I think many ppl will agree with this, like 90% of them. This is not something which you should get as something offensive, No, this should be just a hint for further improvements and a small hint to get the trust from a players again. Players loose the faith in Dragon Network, and thats another fact which you should think of really serious. The players who actually plays here love to on this or another way on this community and thats why we are here always when you open the server, and you should really respect that as a human since this is nothing else then  just a game and fun.

I hope server will be live at October and not until 10 of November.

Thanks, and dont get me wrong.

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Clonage

#6
My 2 cents.

Why are we prioritizing TvT over balancing?
With all due respect Maxcheaters post is a fvcking joke and is misleading. http://www.maxcheaters.com/topic/208536-l2off-hellraiser-dragon-network/
Advertisement that has been done is actually good but is premature. For those that have been arround it feels like you're just giving us info that we already know. And for those who are new the info is not enough. This applies to all advertisement done.
Change log is a mess. We need a list of changed skills. If you need help i can actually do it myself. I know almost everything that has been changed from retail to substack. And i'm pretty sure the community can help if something is listed wrong or not listed at all. Believe it or not there's actually people that want to see HR as decent long term server.
People involved in this project is actually low. 4, 5?  E.G.: Server "goes down", we have to wait for Allanah to get back from work to get a simple restart/boot up.

Now regarding what Nuno said and actual game play.

I've found some neat stuff during the beta, and also some suggestion but i haven't posted/discussed them because there has been little or no changes for the past 3~4 weeks. I know there was some important IRL stuff going on with HR staff. But srsly?

Quote from: NunoPitbull on October 14, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
1) Make party UDs not stack. (30sec in between)
- They Overlap. Which means you can cast another shield of faith when there's 1~2 second left and reset the timer.

Quote from: NunoPitbull on October 14, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
2) Fix Passive shield fortress for at least 50% reduction on its total effect in Robes/25% reduction in light) - Clonage tested this, and seriously should be nerfed a bit

- It's not passive, it's a toggle. I hate when ppl quote me from discussions, it feels like you're PRing me D: And scaling for light is not needed, Anyone that uses light set wont use shield and will go for an evasion build. Which i doubt anyone will tbh.
- Since Majesty (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=82) is scaling with armor type why isn't Guard stance (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=288) also? Actually P def given by Guard Stance is static, which means even on a naked character you get same pdef. This also applies to Shield Fortress (http://l2j.ru/index.php?p=19&skid=322). Let's imagine there was actually a shield with 0 or 1 p def, if you equip this imaginary shield and turn on both toggles you will effectively gain 810 p def because most of the time the shield will block. P def from both toggles is not debuffable by any p def reducer like Hex or Violent temper. Do whatever you want with this info.

-SLH can abuse Antibuff shield. Basicly it's always a win/win situation for SLH when he "steals" buffs. When Steal Divinity is used, stolen buffs are not applied to the SLH when Antibuff shield is ON. Either change Antibuff shield to make it possible to receive stolen buffs and friendly buffs or remove it. Another reason to allow friendly buffs with Antibuff shield is Prophecy overbuffing. PvPs will become Overbuffing sh1t fiesta and fighters wont like it for sure.

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soz fixed, dunno why I always say its the passive xD Its the toggle one xD

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Quote from: Clonage on October 14, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
-SLH can abuse Antibuff shield. Basicly it's always a win/win situation for SLH when he "steals" buffs. When Steal Divinity is used, stolen buffs are not applied to the SLH when Antibuff shield is ON.

Que? I can not understand why do you think it is abuse to not recive stolen buffs?

Quote from: Clonage on October 14, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
Another reason to allow friendly buffs with Antibuff shield is Prophecy overbuffing.
PvPs will become Overbuffing sh1t fiesta and fighters wont like it for sure.

https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s  (https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s)
I would say : Part of the game
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Quote from: Morel on October 14, 2016, 08:56:01 PM
Que? I can not understand why do you think it is abuse to not recive stolen buffs?

Let's say you're playing SLH/Trick in fighter party. You're vs mages and you're full buffed. Press your steal divinity macro and you wont be overbuffed which turns antibuff shield on - Casts Steal divinity - and turns anti buff shield back off. As i said it's always a win/win situation.
Same thing if you're playing SLH/trick in mage party vs fighter pt.

In theory it's a better cancel when u dont want to get overbuffed. And a tool to get you buffs when you want.

Quote from: Morel on October 14, 2016, 08:56:01 PM
https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s  (https://youtu.be/fA4VT8t85yU?t=5m38s)
I would say : Part of the game

*sigh*
Just because we did it doesnt mean it's OK.

By that logic we shouldn't have substack because it's not part of the game.

It becomes part of the game if the mechanics allow it...

Guess why they removed prophecy buffing outside of party...

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Yes, you exactly described how to play SLH. You use steal divinity as cancel with 20sec reuse, or you play buff stealing lottery.
@protip
as mage SLH you can steal from mages, as fighter SLH from figters :*

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Clonage

Thx for the tip bro!

You know, i've been watching some streams lately from some GF servers and i dont get why SLHs arent using antibuff shield vs partys that dont use the same buffs as their party :s I should tell them they are playing SLH the wrong way! I really dont get why they aren't choosing when to activate Antibuff shield...
Well, i guess ill be a good guy and tell them to activate antibuff shield when they dont want to get overbuffed!



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