Hi all , i play in all Dn servers and its my few suggestion :
1.Bison only with fists (i know ppl who farmed Rb will be angry about that but in that way no1 will kill Rb in seconds)
2. All epicks 85 lvl (or 80+)
3. Nerf Deflect arrow on subs with nukers (all subs Mage/tank are benefit with 3 Ud's ++nice passive stats
no sense make them more OP like on HR)
4.It will be rly nice if u cant stack sub on main class (i think that was on Valkyria?! and imo was perfect) if u want be Hero u play on 1 class w/o stack sub
5.If Gm will not agree on point 4 , it will be rly nice if u can stack sub at begining (i mean u start game with 2 classes u chose and later farm sp /exp to unlock all skills )
6.no need to do 40 points on oly to exchange them for tokens (its stack sub , no all classes can win few matches for make 40 points. Gm already add Gracia features for buy Oly jewels , so it will be nice when almost all ppl can buy them not only oly farmers)
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 24, 2017, 05:48:23 PM
Hi all , i play in all Dn servers and its my few suggestion :
1.Bison only with fists (i know ppl who farmed Rb will be angry about that but in that way no1 will kill Rb in seconds)
2. All epicks 85 lvl (or 80+)
3. Nerf Deflect arrow on subs with nukers (all subs Mage/tank are benefit with 3 Ud's ++nice passive stats
no sense make them more OP like on HR)
4.It will be rly nice if u cant stack sub on main class (i think that was on Valkyria?! and imo was perfect) if u want be Hero u play on 1 class w/o stack sub
5.If Gm will not agree on point 4 , it will be rly nice if u can stack sub at begining (i mean u start game with 2 classes u chose and later farm sp /exp to unlock all skills )
6.no need to do 40 points on oly to exchange them for tokens (its stack sub , no all classes can win few matches for make 40 points. Gm already add Gracia features for buy Oly jewels , so it will be nice when almost all ppl can buy them not only oly farmers)
Did you play last hellraiser?
1- Byson only worked with fists and raids still die in seconds with frenzy and fists :D
2- Arent all epics 80+?
3- Problem isnt deflect arrow. Shield defense rate is almost 100% with buffs vs arrows. Now add up all tanks passives and toggles = no dmg from traditional archers.
yes i played on Hr , and when i did bison works with Blunts also ...mby after i left it was changed. Btw Frenzy works with fists?
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 24, 2017, 10:39:39 PM
yes i played on Hr , and when i did bison works with Blunts also ...mby after i left it was changed. Btw Frenzy works with fists?
You played on the first HR only then. There were two HR's bro and the 2nd one started with the bison change since start.
Frenzy works with every weapon giving 10% p.tk. Then if you use sword or blunt weapon you get addicional 20% or something, not sure about the numbers but yes, frenzy works with other weapons, it is just way less powerful (WRONG NUMBERS, SEE EDIT)
EDIT : Actual numbers -
Increases user's P. Atk. by 30% for every weapon.
+When using 1hand sword or 1hand blunt or spear additionally increases P. Atk. by 54%. (30%+54%)
+When using 2hand sword or 2hand blunt, increases accuracy by 2 and P. Atk. by 25%. (30%+25%)
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG PLEASE
OK so problem with tyr/des is solved:) if still RB die in few seconds with fists its ok for me , but its better then 13k+ p attack +1k Attack speed+500 crit with 2 h blunt :)
and what about other sugestion? not better make stack sub only on retails? and have on oly only main classes with certs? or....why we cannot be able chose stack sub since lvl 1 and later farm skills , i think it will solve problem with to many duals.
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 25, 2017, 11:08:24 AM
or....why we cannot be able chose stack sub since lvl 1 and later farm skills , i think it will solve problem with to many duals.
I agree you should start with stacksub already since its the feature of the server and everyone should have acess to it since start. It would also be fun to pvp low lvl with stucksub :D
Thing is , golkonda horn is also a staple for DN so I don't really mind the fact you have to farm it ( specially cause it makes people gather at BS to farm 1.2k MSS :D
Quote from: Picksy on May 25, 2017, 01:03:08 PM
I agree you should start with stacksub already since its the feature of the server and everyone should have acess to it since start. It would also be fun to pvp low lvl with stucksub :D
Thing is , golkonda horn is also a staple for DN so I don't really mind the fact you have to farm it ( specially cause it makes people gather at BS to farm 1.2k MSS :D
I'd like if horn was more exclusive, only available from golky or donations.. Imagine the pvps at golky! I remember it took me months to get a sub on nightmare before, still had fun at every golky though! Just make it easier to access with gk imo
Quote from: Easley on May 25, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
I'd like if horn was more exclusive, only available from golky or donations.. Imagine the pvps at golky! I remember it took me months to get a sub on nightmare before, still had fun at every golky though! Just make it easier to access with gk imo
best option and nothing more should be added
Quote from: Clonage on May 24, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
Did you play last hellraiser?
1- Byson only worked with fists and raids still die in seconds with frenzy and fists :D
2- Arent all epics 80+?
3- Problem isnt deflect arrow. Shield defense rate is almost 100% with buffs vs arrows. Now add up all tanks passives and toggles = no dmg from traditional archers.
"traditional archers", :< on HR1 i made 12-15k crits on full buffed (proper) dyna+6 set full atr light users (non-tanks) with human char, consider that on HR2 would skyrocket by atleast 30% from just real target. While yeah it was with end-game gear aka dyna+6 set vs +10 ic bow, transition that to +6/7db and dc robe and you got similar effect :P. Shield was nerfed as well and considerably high amount, while rate was still high there is nothing wrong with that as non-tank char gets almost 100% front shield rate. Traditional archers are NON-TANKS stompers (like really pubstompers) while kamaels are to deal with mages and with tanks (hek instawin againts this so called mage server). Archers/daggers both like one-shot kamaels also so fair deal :P
Quote from: Easley on May 25, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
I'd like if horn was more exclusive, only available from golky or donations.. Imagine the pvps at golky! I remember it took me months to get a sub on nightmare before, still had fun at every golky though! Just make it easier to access with gk imo
Horn can stay, it can be option for make stack sub on retails. But still i think that be able make stack sub since begining will be much better then make xxx dualbox only for buffs
Quote from: Easley on May 25, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
I'd like if horn was more exclusive, only available from golky or donations.. Imagine the pvps at golky! I remember it took me months to get a sub on nightmare before, still had fun at every golky though! Just make it easier to access with gk imo
imo there is nothing to change expect people mentality :) inb4 fear mag/tank/burn pt farm up 2month to reroll on fighters instead of have fun on fighters for once :)
you really still need to win game instead of have some fun with fun combos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl9Gbjg5L_k
Quote from: mruwqa on May 25, 2017, 07:33:25 PM
imo there is nothing to change expect people mentality :) inb4 fear mag/tank/burn pt farm up 2month to reroll on fighters instead of have fun on fighters for once :)
you really still need to win game instead of have some fun with fun combos?
Why you think we didnt have fun?
Well maybe u right we didnt, nobody opposed us...
Why do you even take this post as a flame opportunity ? Come on.. we are just discussing things. We're all fine with how things are, we're just discussing things that might or might not make it better or more sense.
Btw scary, I was necro/da because the character is super fun to play on pvp XD
Not only necro is sub-optimal to say the least, but also instead of pala or pp (which would be the two best options), I did DA literally for the dark panther SWAG XD If thats not playing to have fun I don't know what is.
Quote from: Picksy on May 25, 2017, 08:18:34 PM
Why do you even take this post as a flame opportunity ? Come on.. we are just discussing things. We're all fine with how things are, we're just discussing things that might or might not make it better or more sense.
Btw scary, I was necro/da because the character is super fun to play on pvp XD
Not only necro is sub-optimal to say the least, but also instead of pala or pp (which would be the two best options), I did DA literally for the dark panther SWAG XD If thats not playing to have fun I don't know what is.
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Quote from: Peorexo on May 25, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
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Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 25, 2017, 11:08:24 AM
OK so problem with tyr/des is solved:) if still RB die in few seconds with fists its ok for me , but its better then 13k+ p attack +1k Attack speed+500 crit with 2 h blunt :)
nope, if things are going to be the same as on last HR, tyr/de is complete shit. ive believed these guys when they were saying its still fine, and rolled a tyr/de, it couldnt kill shit, besides that, ive played on the last two servers, on the first one, where bison worked with two hands, everytime i went to some raid boss there was a bunch of orcs there, on the last server, where bison didnt work, there were no orcs, except one time on cabrio, where they were killing it for half an hour. unless there is some way to quadruple your damage that i dont know about, tyr/de is garbage against raid bosses.
here (http://imgur.com/a/47TxT) is the stat sheet for a fully buffed tyr/de with demon splinters, other picture has berserker blade equipped (top c grade), for comparison.
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
nope, if things are going to be the same as on last HR, tyr/de is complete shit. ive believed these guys when they were saying its still fine, and rolled a tyr/de, it couldnt kill shit, besides that, ive played on the last two servers, on the first one, where bison worked with two hands, everytime i went to some raid boss there was a bunch of orcs there, on the last server, where bison didnt work, there were no orcs, except one time on cabrio, where they were killing it for half an hour. unless there is some way to quadruple your damage that i dont know about, tyr/de is garbage against raid bosses.
Thats why most of the players will never achieve anything if they have mentality like yours. First baium was killed by one ty/de solo with a-grades. All non-dragon epics were killed by orcs in like an instant, I guess most of you "ty/de pve mains" dont even know how ur class works. And if epics got rekt so freaking easily orcs i dont even want to mention normal bosses
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
nope, if things are going to be the same as on last HR, tyr/de is complete shit. ive believed these guys when they were saying its still fine, and rolled a tyr/de, it couldnt kill shit, besides that, ive played on the last two servers, on the first one, where bison worked with two hands, everytime i went to some raid boss there was a bunch of orcs there, on the last server, where bison didnt work, there were no orcs, except one time on cabrio, where they were killing it for half an hour. unless there is some way to quadruple your damage that i dont know about, tyr/de is garbage against raid bosses.
Lel, its good, but with fists... We could kill every epic (excluding vala and anth) with 1 destro/ty giving dmg, and wouldn't take that long. U have alot of debuffs who fk up their def like hex, block shield, DoD..... idk, orcs were pretty ok bro, you were def doing something wrong we just don't know what. If you would like to make a farm retail, make ty/wl which is also pretty good for Fortress farm.
Quote from: Peorexo on May 25, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Thats why most of the players will never achieve anything if they have mentality like yours. First baium was killed by one ty/de solo with a-grades. All non-dragon epics were killed by orcs in like an instant, I guess most of you "ty/de pve mains" dont even know how ur class works. And if epics got rekt so freaking easily orcs i dont even want to mention normal bosses
+1, everyone was still making ty/de to farm bosses and chimeras.. Could even solo aq with ty/de with endgame items lol :)
Quote from: Peorexo on May 25, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Thats why most of the players will never achieve anything if they have mentality like yours. First baium was killed by one ty/de solo with a-grades. All non-dragon epics were killed by orcs in like an instant, I guess most of you "ty/de pve mains" dont even know how ur class works. And if epics got rekt so freaking easily orcs i dont even want to mention normal bosses
yeah im sure youre right, got any proof of any of this?
Quote from: Picksy on May 25, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
Lel, its good, but with fists... We could kill every epic (excluding vala and anth) with 1 destro/ty giving dmg, and wouldn't take that long. U have alot of debuffs who fk up their def like hex, block shield, DoD..... idk, orcs were pretty ok bro, you were def doing something wrong we just don't know what. If you would like to make a farm retail, make ty/wl which is also pretty good for Fortress farm.
i just gave you a screen with my equip and all buffs and chars i was using while trying to take down rbs, please go ahead and point out my errs.
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
yeah im sure youre right, got any proof of any of this?
i just gave you a screen with my equip and all buffs and chars i was using while trying to take down rbs, please go ahead and point out my errs.
One thing you should do for example is give yourself vamp buff AND seal of limit which limits your hp to 30% hp or something so u're always low and ur never gonna die cause you have vamp. If you use your fists, with this buffs, debuff the boss, use ur skills and start hitting it, most will die in 20 secs max. I don't have proof other than experience with them. We are not bulshitting you, you can take this however you want but its the truth ...
ps:150 fire on wep would help :D
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
yeah im sure youre right, got any proof of any of this?
i just gave you a screen with my equip and all buffs and chars i was using while trying to take down rbs, please go ahead and point out my errs.
I solo dd killed core in 1 zealot with 80lv char using fists, QA tooks like 2 zeals ?
Quote from: Peorexo on May 25, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
I solo dd killed core in 1 zealot with 80lv char using fists, QA tooks like 2 zeals ?
Ye but u had QA at that point so its not the same, without any epic u should still be able to kill any of those lower epics with 1 orc with like 2-4 skills
Quote from: Picksy on May 25, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
One thing you should do for example is give yourself vamp buff AND seal of limit which limits your hp to 30% hp or something so u're always low and ur never gonna die cause you have vamp. If you use your fists, with this buffs, debuff the boss, use ur skills and start hitting it, most will die in 20 secs max. I don't have proof other than experience with them. We are not bulshitting you, you can take this however you want but its the truth ...
ps:150 fire on wep would help :D
alright, seal of limit might be the thing i didnt know about, will report back after open beta starts. thanks.
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
alright, seal of limit might be the thing i didnt know about, will report back after open beta starts. thanks.
Highly recommend you to do Necro for DoD (Day of Doom), would help alot
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
nope, if things are going to be the same as on last HR, tyr/de is complete shit. ive believed these guys when they were saying its still fine, and rolled a tyr/de, it couldnt kill shit, besides that, ive played on the last two servers, on the first one, where bison worked with two hands, everytime i went to some raid boss there was a bunch of orcs there, on the last server, where bison didnt work, there were no orcs, except one time on cabrio, where they were killing it for half an hour. unless there is some way to quadruple your damage that i dont know about, tyr/de is garbage against raid bosses.
here (http://imgur.com/a/47TxT) is the stat sheet for a fully buffed tyr/de with demon splinters, other picture has berserker blade equipped (top c grade), for comparison.
Kurwa i got cancer xd
Quote from: pmkaboo on May 25, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
nope, if things are going to be the same as on last HR, tyr/de is complete shit. ive believed these guys when they were saying its still fine, and rolled a tyr/de, it couldnt kill shit, besides that, ive played on the last two servers, on the first one, where bison worked with two hands, everytime i went to some raid boss there was a bunch of orcs there, on the last server, where bison didnt work, there were no orcs, except one time on cabrio, where they were killing it for half an hour. unless there is some way to quadruple your damage that i dont know about, tyr/de is garbage against raid bosses.
here (http://imgur.com/a/47TxT) is the stat sheet for a fully buffed tyr/de with demon splinters, other picture has berserker blade equipped (top c grade), for comparison.
You could profit just by watching what some of people who knew this class were doing or no ???
And also without this worthless ty/de I don't want to imagine how beleth would go xd
guys remember that l2 is not only about farming Rb , i never was a fan make tyr/des so Op that 1 person on full buff can solo all Rb in game. i still think that bison shouldnt worked with 2handed weapons , same as Fr with Fist (should increase something like 30/50% p atack) .
Btw what u think about stack sub on lvl 1? imo it will be best solution for avoiding multiple boxes
stuck sub from lvl 1 wont change anything except ppl will make their buffers from start - remember you wont get resists / 3rd class dances songs from npc.
Maybe change golem armor transformation reuse time? (on last server it was 4 hours i think) :) i really would like to see dwarf cp with golem armors fighting in mass pvp :D also it would be very funny :D
Quote from: Khazir on May 26, 2017, 06:29:10 PM
stuck sub from lvl 1 wont change anything except ppl will make their buffers from start - remember you wont get resists / 3rd class dances songs from npc.
Maybe change golem armor transformation reuse time? (on last server it was 4 hours i think) :) i really would like to see dwarf cp with golem armors fighting in mass pvp :D also it would be very funny :D
it will change less multibox,becouse u will start already with buffers like bd/se or ee/sws ,ol/wc , theres will be no sense make box pt only for make buffs. And still u will need farm Sp to buy all skills
And mby its a time to do in game reward for voting? if any1 plays on any top lineage 2 server from topzone/hopzone know that they all have vote reward,it cannot be to much but mby 1-2 stones from vote? it will help a lot for community
guys you realize either clean destro or clean tyrant (no subs) can kill any rb under 1min w/o stacksub with just S grades and proper buff/debuff?? this game is designed for nonstacksubs and those are farm machines?? also I solokilled Core with th/wl on one hellraiser it took like 10min max totaly solo as 1dagger -str dyes
mages are ones to nerf since people here are too bad to know how to kill them, deletle mag/tanks! :D give archers 5k pattack free so people can enjoy F1ing and we are fine all summer xDDD
Quote from: mruwqa on May 27, 2017, 11:16:35 AM
guys you realize either clean destro or clean tyrant (no subs) can kill any rb under 1min w/o stacksub with just S grades and proper buff/debuff?? this game is designed for nonstacksubs and those are farm machines?? also I solokilled Core with th/wl on one hellraiser it took like 10min max totaly solo as 1dagger -str dyes
mages are ones to nerf since people here are too bad to know how to kill them, deletle mag/tanks! :D give archers 5k pattack free so people can enjoy F1ing and we are fine all summer xDDD
Its kind of repeating the same story every server, every year, trash players will always cry about unbalance but the experienced-ones will just stomp with whatever they feel like...
Quote from: Peorexo on May 27, 2017, 11:19:18 AM
Its kind of repeating the same story every server, every year, trash players will always cry about unbalance but the experienced-ones will just stomp with whatever they feel like...
yet u chose 2magtanks + rechargers are u are surprised u dont have wars back :)))
Quote from: mruwqa on May 27, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
yet u chose 2magtanks + rechargers are u are surprised u dont have wars back :)))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFjfWNrEA48
was posted few days ago
furious soul 404 for like half a clip
and others shouldn't be flamed for picking classes they want to pick, 2magtanks + rechargers were available to everyone
Quote from: mruwqa on May 27, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
yet u chose 2magtanks + rechargers are u are surprised u dont have wars back :)))
DAMN this mages dmg
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^- this is taken from videos when im still in DC robe, I WONDER what would happen if i wouldnt be playing -9 men SH (lowest men) and have elemental resist in set, damn. :D
PS: on HR2 on my 2 sieges videos enemies are OUTNUMBERING us hard with all kind of setups/classes + anakim etc, so yeah i guess mage/tanks op, sadly there were only 2 mage tanks and only 3 recharges on the whole server and they happened to be in one party.
Damn this class restrictions, only the 5 ppl were choosen ones to play this chars kappa.
Quote from: Peorexo on May 27, 2017, 12:49:57 PM
DAMN this mages dmg
^- this is taken from videos when im still in DC robe, I WONDER what would happen if i wouldnt be playing -9 men SH (lowest men) and have elemental resist in set, damn. :D
PS: on HR2 on my 2 sieges videos enemies are OUTNUMBERING us hard with all kind of setups/classes + anakim etc, so yeah i guess mage/tanks op, sadly there were only 2 mage tanks and only 3 recharges on the whole server and they happened to be in one party.
Damn this class restrictions, only the 5 ppl were choosen ones to play this chars kappa.
;D ;D ;D
lol archers sux nurf mages hitting for 4k :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Quote from: Naiz on May 27, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
lol archers sux nurf mages hitting for 4k :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
you are the one who rerolled from archers to mages as first because u got raped by fear every step u take and it was too hard to play archers for u (exi main pt) why do u talk :)
Quote from: mruwqa on May 27, 2017, 01:27:58 PM
you are the one who rerolled from archers to mages as first because u got raped by fear every step u take and it was too hard to play archers for u (exi main pt) why do u talk :)
LOL that's a new one :D Older and older, still delusional :D Oj, Darek :D
I'm just here to say...... i hated your party the whole time Naiz, IN MY HEART YOU WERE STILL MY ENEMY
Quote from: Picksy on May 27, 2017, 03:52:35 PM
I'm just here to say...... i hated your party the whole time Naiz, IN MY HEART YOU WERE STILL MY ENEMY
Uhm I was pretty sure u had hard time on HR2 and even ur own party not to mention clan was ur enemy as well X NECRO D
Quote from: Peorexo on May 27, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
Uhm I was pretty sure u had hard time on HR2 and even ur own party not to mention clan was ur enemy as well X NECRO D
My pt was completly handicapped since we were only 8 and 50% of time we were like 4 or 5 still rekting noobs. Considering I was necro - which according to you sucks - I'd say we did pretty well XD Since there were no enemies we had to find enemies inside the clan ;D ;D
Not to mention Picky's demons inside his head :p his brain is his biggest enemy
Quote from: Lamb on May 28, 2017, 01:22:33 PM
Not to mention Picky's demons inside his head :p his brain is his biggest enemy
blyat you're suposed to have my back :( Next time even if ur chicken again, no epics for you
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well i dunno if ill play here tbh. Im on my Lineage 2 abstinency for over 2 months allready! well played here and there for few days and on eglobal with you mengz, but thats cus few serbidore started :P Anyway if we go as AbyssCP again im in obviously.
Guys its a "Sugestion" topic not topic who had bigger di** on last server :)
Please post sugestion, atm i think the best one will be :
1. Add vote reward
2.stack sub from lvl 1 , or no stack sub on main class , only on retails
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 29, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
Guys its a "Sugestion" topic not topic who had bigger di** on last server :)
Please post sugestion, atm i think the best one will be :
1. Add vote reward
2.stack sub from lvl 1 , or no stack sub on main class , only on retails
best suggestion for stucksub server ever
Quote from: GhostSlayer on May 29, 2017, 10:37:29 AM
best suggestion for stucksub server ever
Well I remember dropping to 40after sub at some servers it was so fun to be stacksubed in low lvl place :D:D
Quote from: mruwqa on May 30, 2017, 01:08:22 AM
Well I remember dropping to 40after sub at some servers it was so fun to be stacksubed in low lvl place :D:D
Yeah, PvE is easier and you can have a feeling how your character will be. Instead of griding to 76 with 1 class then choose sub and realise that playstye doesn't fit you. PvP between substacked characters and nonstacked is nonsense... Also dwarfs would be so much happier, crafter/spoiler since lvl 40 :D.
But i dont see that happening on this server. It's an interesting idea for a low/mid rate server. High rate = fast lvl 76 and with this path to 3rd i believe it will be even faster then normal.
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on May 29, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
Guys its a "Sugestion" topic not topic who had bigger di** on last server :)
Please post sugestion, atm i think the best one will be :
1. Add vote reward
2.stack sub from lvl 1 , or no stack sub on main class , only on retails
2- It would be alot easier to make it at 40. What are you going to be at lvl 1? Human Fighter/Fighter? And the second part of your suggestion makes no sense... The server is supposed to be substack so you can play 1+1 classes. What's the point in playing a stackless hero? Retails only go up to level 80 and would make substack characters weaker then they are atm... No Forgotten scrolls, no certifications etc etc. :/ You want to make everything weaker? Weird.
They could change there settings for subclasses and increase there level cap.
Quote from: Zilex on May 30, 2017, 03:55:31 PM
They could change there settings for subclasses and increase there level cap.
But why bother changing something that works ? Making Valkyria here will just delay the fun, and if subs will be maxed to 85 then no mutants rule should be applied to not freak with the balance. But then is it worth ?
ee/es nerfed or dramamakerz still gonna hit me for 20??
Quote from: Jardiro on May 30, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
ee/es nerfed or dramamakerz still gonna hit me for 20??
Im pretty sure thats not class-based thing :D
the only thing that need to be changed is amount of exploits, can't see any op pick from last server
something op ? bard/elder? mage/tank? tricksters ? nah, all good lets roll
Quote from: Picksy on May 30, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
something op ? bard/elder? mage/tank? tricksters ? nah, all good lets roll
honestly hellraiser 1 and 2 and the most balanced stacksub servers that ever been here, everyone could win anyone if all had good game knowledge, sadly it's all about knowlegde chars are perfectly balanced as they are, everything has it's counter, any ANY char can play oly daily and keep points, too bad gap on this server will be even bigger since most randoms wont even think of making support subs, meanwhile fear pt with proper buff will wipe even twice as many people now :D
Quote from: Picksy on May 30, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
something op ? bard/elder? mage/tank? tricksters ? nah, all good lets roll
by elder/bard you mean recharge or mana burn? tank deflect arrow? trick real target or barriers? speak of specific skills or combos because this way it lead us nowhere.
Quote from: Picksy on May 30, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
something op ? bard/elder? mage/tank? tricksters ? nah, all good lets roll
Necro/bishop XD
Sorry, i just had to.
update freaking hopzone and stuff >.> its still about x25 server
I'm kinda joking and kinda serious xd
Bard/elder (sws/ee or bd/se) - their only weakness before was having to play on elder status which means no recharge. This was changed on HR2 which made this class super OP and pretty much the only viable choice to any setup (except for sws/sr on archer pt).
Mage/Tanks are still strong not because of deflect arrow but the shield rate from tanks passive, which makes pretty much every archer suck, except for tricksters who are super strong and pretty much the only archers in an archer pt (u would have sws/sr but literally only for the sr buff).
I'm not saying this is completly unbalanced. I do agree HR2 might have been onr the most balanced server from DN. The thing i'm talking about is that there are still things to work on imo... Its true any comp could work but thats cause most of the other parties in DN are deorganized or simply don't know the game enough to themselves have proper comps and stucksubs. I still saw some HE/WK..... how is that still a thing ? My point is..Bards shouldn't be able to get recharged, they are already too good for a party to even be able to get infinite mana pool. Mage tanks should not benefit from tanks passives either. The active skills are already too good of a combo for a mage who is meant to do tons of damage but die pretty quick. Right now, mage tanks are almost as tank as a tank itself, which would be fine for the other characters, but not for long range high dpsers...This is the reason why people cry mages are OP. It is too easy to play a mage/tank and roll people with it. U can still win vs them, but it would be because of skill, not because there are ways around mage/tanks. Put 2 equally skilled parties if one of them is mage/tank normal setup, the other party could be anything you want, the mages will always win. This is just my 2 cents, but what do I know, I'm just a noob necro losing vs scary on oly with the "OP MAGE/TANK", or did I win? hmmm
Quote from: Picksy on May 31, 2017, 02:29:34 AM
I'm kinda joking and kinda serious xd
Bard/elder (sws/ee or bd/se) - their only weakness before was having to play on elder status which means no recharge. This was changed on HR2 which made this class super OP and pretty much the only viable choice to any setup (except for sws/sr on archer pt).
Mage/Tanks are still strong not because of deflect arrow but the shield rate from tanks passive, which makes pretty much every archer suck, except for tricksters who are super strong and pretty much the only archers in an archer pt (u would have sws/sr but literally only for the sr buff).
I'm not saying this is completly unbalanced. I do agree HR2 might have been onr the most balanced server from DN. The thing i'm talking about is that there are still things to work on imo... Its true any comp could work but thats cause most of the other parties in DN are deorganized or simply don't know the game enough to themselves have proper comps and stucksubs. I still saw some HE/WK..... how is that still a thing ? My point is..Bards shouldn't be able to get recharged, they are already too good for a party to even be able to get infinite mana pool. Mage tanks should not benefit from tanks passives either. The active skills are already too good of a combo for a mage who is meant to do tons of damage but die pretty quick. Right now, mage tanks are almost as tank as a tank itself, which would be fine for the other characters, but not for long range high dpsers...This is the reason why people cry mages are OP. It is too easy to play a mage/tank and roll people with it. U can still win vs them, but it would be because of skill, not because there are ways around mage/tanks. Put 2 equally skilled parties if one of them is mage/tank normal setup, the other party could be anything you want, the mages will always win. This is just my 2 cents, but what do I know, I'm just a noob necro losing vs scary on oly with the "OP MAGE/TANK", or did I win? hmmm
All valid points imo, the recharge thing is a bit hard to deal with I think but if we combine the stuf from HR1 and HR2 it would be a bit better. Means you can't self recharge and oracles can't recharge eachother. Going with a EE/ES on ES stats would be one way to get the infinite loop going again but atleast it wouldn't be as powerful I think since he'll be solo recharging the other oracles along with burning enemies. This along with lowering power of mana burns would be a fun change imo ::)
Mage/tanks are definietly more user friendly than other combos and can be strong without much effort and even more so in good hands, an overall def rate reduction wouldn't be bad either coz even non-tanks are still getting full def rate with buffs (atleast vs archers). Still, I do think it's not the end of the world if nothing was touched skill wise even. But I feel it'd be more forgiving for those who doesnt run full CP party.
Quote from: Easley on May 31, 2017, 07:37:31 AM
All valid points imo, the recharge thing is a bit hard to deal with I think but if we combine the stuf from HR1 and HR2 it would be a bit better. Means you can't self recharge and oracles can't recharge eachother. Going with a EE/ES on ES stats would be one way to get the infinite loop going again but atleast it wouldn't be as powerful I think since he'll be solo recharging the other oracles along with burning enemies. This along with lowering power of mana burns would be a fun change imo ::)
Mage/tanks are definietly more user friendly than other combos and can be strong without much effort and even more so in good hands, an overall def rate reduction wouldn't be bad either coz even non-tanks are still getting full def rate with buffs (atleast vs archers). Still, I do think it's not the end of the world if nothing was touched skill wise even. But I feel it'd be more forgiving for those who doesnt run full CP party.
Yes, the old system where the EE/ES would play on ES stats and recharge himself is way more balanced. This way you'll have to manage the mana instead of just spamming skills left and right. U shouldn't even be able to recharge the Bards, specially cause u have blessings of eva (at least 2 from ee/es and sws/ee) AND mass recharges. Thats just my opinion... I think the recharge system on HR1 was better than the one on HR2.
Quote from: Picksy on May 31, 2017, 02:29:34 AM
Put 2 equally skilled parties if one of them is mage/tank normal setup, the other party could be anything you want, the mages will always win. This is just my 2 cents, but what do I know, I'm just a noob necro losing vs scary on oly with the "OP MAGE/TANK", or did I win? hmmm
Did u play on HR2 ? This is completely bullshit
About only Trickster viable is another bullshit, but well the same story will repeat. Few guys destroys with "PICK A CLASS" and its the only viable choice apparently.
Tricksters are only good because everyone plays tank, and they are the best tank-shredders in the game, againts any non-tanks they are weaker than other classes.
Considering our sr/sws was making more frags than trick/slh, that means something :)
Quote from: Picksy on May 31, 2017, 02:29:34 AM
Bards shouldn't be able to get recharged, they are already too good for a party to even be able to get infinite mana pool.
You mean Recharger/Bard on recharger stats, rigth?
Quote from: Peorexo on May 31, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
Did u play on HR2 ? This is completely bullshit
About only Trickster viable is another bullshit, but well the same story will repeat. Few guys destroys with "PICK A CLASS" and its the only viable choice apparently.
Tricksters are only good because everyone plays tank, and they are the best tank-shredders in the game, againts any non-tanks they are weaker than other classes.
Considering our sr/sws was making more frags than trick/slh, that means something :)
Lel you're so egocentric sometimes really. U should know what i'm talking about. Again, some players can make whatever class they want and they will still rekt the other noobs but that is purely skill/knowledge based when the classes themselves are unbalaced and you know it. For some reason you made the setups u made in ur pts. Cause you know what is op and what is not. But most people don't so they just copy what they see (when they do, sometimes they don't even care). What I'm talking about is balance so that I don't feel handicapped when playing any other classes/comps other than the clear OP ones. I
I agree there is always gonna be a "best setup", but the gap between the "best setup" and the "2nd/3rd best setup" shouldn't be this big when there can be made fixes that will shorten this gap. Put the fking ego aside for a bit and write what you actually think, not this zzzzz
Quote from: Clonage on May 31, 2017, 05:27:03 PM
You mean Recharger/Bard on recharger stats, rigth?
of course xdd
Well, my opinion on the bard/oracles subject is that both restrictions of recharge should be added to the skill from HR1 and HR2. Bard/oracle same as hr1, oracle/sum same as hr2. If party wants infinite mana loop they either add another oracle/sum or bard/oracles will have to play on bard stats. Brings back bard/oracles weakness. Doesn't make EE/ES solo infinite mana. Increases diversity.
What will happen to partys:
Fast infinite mana loop(3~4 burners):
2rech/sum this opens new options for Bard subs.
Mana burn oriented party(4~5), no infinite mana loop (bard/oracle playstyle same as Hr1)
1 ee/es + 2 bard/oracles(oracle stats)
"Slow" infinite mana loop(1~2~3 normal burners +1~2 "slow" burners), mana pool oriented party
1 ee/es +2 bard/oracles(bard stats or 1 oracle and 1 bard)
*PS: Counting Bishop(s) as burner(s).
I think mana burn must have fixed reuse like 5 or 7 seconds .
Quote from: djvancho on May 31, 2017, 09:45:25 PM
I think mana burn must have fixed reuse like 5 or 7 seconds .
Cmon man don't make this kind of suggestion, we know you as a guy who spams this 2 weeks into the new server: "We need fresh clean server from 0 with good advertisement"
Quote from: Peorexo on May 30, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
Im pretty sure thats not class-based thing :D
i think it was dramamakerz thing since archers in my clan were doing pretty good job shutting me down at sieges
Quote from: Jardiro on May 31, 2017, 10:33:35 PM
i think it was dramamakerz thing since archers in my clan were doing pretty good job shutting me down at sieges
especialy after giran at hr1 when exi decided to quit because archers are too weak (meanwhile 79trickster on retail in pt ) xddd
game is perfectly balanced, as dramamakers coleader we had arround 100ppl through server, not even 9 would get even invited into fear because they are simply bad/doesnt care/cant communicate/ i dont even know how to call it xD well same goes for Exi or any other clans that existed in stacksub server xD
bard/elder op? what? just add some dot mana pots with 300/15sec or sth no decrasing anything and its fine
Quote from: mruwqa on June 01, 2017, 12:29:38 AM
bard/elder op? what? just add some dot mana pots with 300/15sec or sth no decrasing anything and its fine
When I say op I mean that it is the only viable option. I'll try explaining this way ... If you face a pt that has that setup whilst not having it urself, u pretty much already lost (assuming everyone has same skill). That mana pot thing is actually interesting. I'm personally not a fan of mana pots but it can be the way to balance this out.
No self-recharge + No recharge for elders (while on elder status) + 300/15sec mana pot.
With this, bard/elder is still the best option BUT it allows for other subs while not being at a huge disadvantage like bard/tank or even bard/nuker with 2 ee/es's in the pt
Quote from: Picksy on May 31, 2017, 02:29:34 AM
Put 2 equally skilled parties if one of them is mage/tank normal setup, the other party could be anything you want, the mages will always win.
In late game pvps (with same gear/skill) mage party is not even the strongest, both archers and daggers are better.
The only difference is that mages are way easier to play/more user-friendly/"more straightforward" and they are better at killing "under geared/under skilled" pts aka multikills on c grade jewels/no ressists guys.
If fighters are in good hands they can pwn any mage pt, but you cant explain this to 90% of DN players, knowledge is everything.
Quote from: Vexim on June 01, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
In late game pvps (with same gear/skill) mage party is not even the strongest, both archers and daggers are better.
The only difference is that mages are way easier to play/more user-friendly/"more straightforward" and they are better at killing "under geared/under skilled" pts aka multikills on c grade jewels/no ressists guys.
If fighters are in good hands they can pwn any mage pt, but you cant explain this to 90% of DN players, knowledge is everything.
GL going to late game with fighters. When u get there, the mage party is full EPIC JEWLS and your fighters pt might have one or two AQ max XD Whatever, you guys keep speaking as if this is a retail server :D
new meta :
3 zerk/trick
3 zerk/slh
3 ee/es
lets go
Quote from: Picksy on June 01, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
GL going to late game with fighters. When u get there, the mage party is full EPIC JEWLS and your fighters pt might have one or two AQ max XD Whatever, you guys keep speaking as if this is a retail server :D
Please stop posting so much bullshit.
The difference on low rates on archers vs mages is huge as it steadily grows with time, consider the rates of this server and think atleast twice. If you still think mages are CRAZY OP then you are really missing on too much stuff. And Archers with just qa's can do perfectly fine againts full epic mages. Thats the thing, if u consider Full epic mages vs no-epic fighters and no-epic mages vs full epic fighters, epics for mages are mostly irrelevant (only valakas is the real deal but if one party can have 5 + valakases and u have 0 epics then u shouldnt complain). Fighter setups are gaining much more from completing boss sets.
Quote from: Lamb on June 01, 2017, 04:50:00 PM
new meta :
3 zerk/trick
3 zerk/slh
3 ee/es
lets go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2fzJ-KdnA
Quote from: Peorexo on June 01, 2017, 05:02:59 PM
Please stop posting so much bullshit.
The difference on low rates on archers vs mages is huge as it steadily grows with time, consider the rates of this server and think atleast twice. If you still think mages are CRAZY OP then you are really missing on too much stuff. And Archers with just qa's can do perfectly fine againts full epic mages. Thats the thing, if u consider Full epic mages vs no-epic fighters and no-epic mages vs full epic fighters, epics for mages are mostly irrelevant (only valakas is the real deal but if one party can have 5 + valakases and u have 0 epics then u shouldnt complain). Fighter setups are gaining much more from completing boss sets.
lel 99% of my suggestions are for the low rate server like the ones we plyed here so far, on 75x nothing of that matters when u don't even need to have buffers in pt. U rlly think u can balance anything on high rate server like this ? stucksub with this npc buffer ? None of the fixes matter when there is no setup, its just everyone for himself XDn
I rly want to see pts without supports, only with buffs from npc, just pls do it, just do it, so i can have some nice time here on DN once again xD
// none of HB servers were low rates...
Quote from: Picksy on June 01, 2017, 05:41:03 PM
lel 99% of my suggestions are for the low rate server like the ones we plyed here so far, on 75x nothing of that matters when u don't even need to have buffers in pt. U rlly think u can balance anything on high rate server like this ? stucksub with this npc buffer ? None of the fixes matter when there is no setup, its just everyone for himself XDn
Well right now we're gonna have x75, and even though its high rates full 9v9/tournament setups applies to the same ruleset. You will have to get 3rd+class buffers anyway :P
Quote from: Clonage on June 01, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2fzJ-KdnA
lost it at darude boistorm ;d
Quote from: Peorexo on June 01, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
Well right now we're gonna have x75, and even though its high rates full 9v9/tournament setups applies to the same ruleset. You will have to get 3rd+class buffers anyway :P
Ye but this kind of server usually calls and benefits small groups of people if not solo play with just dd's and all that whilst farming etc etc. I still don't know how it will be, if people will play supports as mains or just boxed/outofpt. We'll see tbh have no idea :D
OK , 1 more thing can be done here> it will be nice that SE/EE/PP pof-s add the same mage stats as warior, i mean if some1 make necro/pp it will be nice that he can use his pof , same as sh/se. It works preaty cool on all H5 servers so why not here?
Quote from: Jardiro on May 30, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
ee/es nerfed or dramamakerz still gonna hit me for 20??
I miss you :'( legendary player.
Quote from: Neliel on June 23, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
I miss you :'( legendary player.
wish we could play together again #believe
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on June 23, 2017, 08:17:29 AM
OK , 1 more thing can be done here> it will be nice that SE/EE/PP pof-s add the same mage stats as warior, i mean if some1 make necro/pp it will be nice that he can use his pof , same as sh/se. It works preaty cool on all H5 servers so why not here?
Yea they are cool but with current damage forumlas mages would crit even harder :/
so dont increase magic crit rate , just would be nice if PP-pof or Se-pow increase cast +m atack+ m def. ( it can be the same with EE> increase p attack, attack speed,p def) i think that this way we will open window for some chars like ee/sws , atm its a mage pt supprt , but if pow will increase stats for warior its good char for wariors pt, same as Bp/pp for mages.
Quote from: ThuGLif3 on June 23, 2017, 05:53:58 PM
so dont increase magic crit rate , just would be nice if PP-pof or Se-pow increase cast +m atack+ m def. ( it can be the same with EE> increase p attack, attack speed,p def) i think that this way we will open window for some chars like ee/sws , atm its a mage pt supprt , but if pow will increase stats for warior its good char for wariors pt, same as Bp/pp for mages.
What
Quote from: Jardiro on June 23, 2017, 11:55:00 AM
wish we could play together again #believe
That's what i thought. If you are going to play here, count me in.