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Title: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
Damn .. cant wait to see all the posts here... i know no1 from attackers will start this topic so i will start :)

Great siege... many attackers ... one winner :) Gz BenCompany, Gz Temp..

Fight from the first minutes till the last... awesome 8-)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
gz zerg
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 12, 2008, 06:18:02 PM
GZ for all particiapnts! Nice siege.




Quote from: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
gz zerg

Retard as usual.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
gz zerg

...truth hurts the most   ;)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
gz zerg
well when u have 10 men :) and u go for a whole ally with ~60 players... what u expect..
Suicide FTW :P

Temp vs Flawless was same numbers i guess.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: jygh on July 12, 2008, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 06:37:59 PM

Temp vs Flawless was same numbers i guess.
wasnt :) anyway gz
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
well when u have 10 men :) and u go for a whole ally with ~60 players... what u expect..
Suicide FTW :P

Temp vs Flawless was same numbers i guess.
Its not about that, u got numbers, thats all.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 06:41:50 PM
Its not about that, u got numbers, thats all.

by "numbers" u mean like the number of Russians that rushed at Stalingrad's Assault in 1942 ? :P
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jeri on July 12, 2008, 07:09:17 PM
Nice siege, my first as Brunetka, couse Stinger was needed elsewhere.

Best part was when me and some bish/pal hid in a little room close to seccond gate, but we didn't have time to destroy it 'couse some archer found us and he called half of the Temps from main gate  ;D

Anyway, gratz to winners, but you won't have it forever  ;)

Quote from: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
by "numbers" u mean like the number of Russians that rushed at Stalingrad's Assault in 1942 ? :P

One FTR with weapon and one Comic with ammo as meat shield  :P
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
Ye guys, next time i will say to clan/ally m8s: dont login for siege guys cos we r zergs ^^. Btw facts r these: Flowless was almost same number as us i am pretty sure about it and u can add comics with 3 parties i guess also add 1 party of meyham that kind of try to have some fun but now temp were the defenders not Marvels :>, and they got owned at first try. At this siege i can say u were all against us dunno why ^^. Maybe BH wants Aden rly bad to prove smth and they take with them all trashes :). Anyway gz for Ben :).
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 07:56:32 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
also add 1 party of meyham, and they got owned at first try.
3 ppl =/= pt

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4192/shot00115ft9.jpg)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jeri on July 12, 2008, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
Flowless was almost same number as us i am pretty sure about it and u can add comics with 3 parties
I am afraid that it will never happen, two clans will never match one ally + one clan in numbers, that's impossible. I liked that siege 'couse no matter the numbers, there were no stupid comments like "ya zerg" from our side or "ya suck" from your side. As long as people leave those comments for them selves, I don't care that we are outnumbered becouse it's our problem that we are not able to get this many people online.

As for the comics ally, you must admit by your self that they more like mobs, but without experience award for killing them (in my opinion). I considered them a meat shield, nothing more (not to mention that they tried to kill me 2 minutes before we united with them).

Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: Kamillo29 on July 12, 2008, 07:56:32 PM
3 ppl =/= pt

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4192/shot00115ft9.jpg)

Hey it should be 4...I was there as well -> that means almost a half of a party  :D
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 08:08:59 PM
3 ppl ye :>  Oriin that is down there was solo without party :P.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Independent89 on July 12, 2008, 08:14:24 PM
Quote from: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
well when u have 10 men :) and u go for a whole ally with ~60 players... what u expect..
Suicide FTW :P

Temp vs Flawless was same numbers i guess.

Then you guess wrong  :P
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
lol ok dude we were 1002 and u were 10 ppl. lol next time use ally info and make print screens and u will see that we r almost equal. bleah
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Knock on July 12, 2008, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: AbandonAllHope on July 12, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
well when u have 10 men :) and u go for a whole ally with ~60 players... what u expect..
Suicide FTW :P

Temp vs Flawless was same numbers i guess.

LOLLL :))) great sieges u got here xD 60 +10 = 70 ppl on siege
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Knock on July 12, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
lol ok dude we were 1002 and u were 10 ppl. lol next time use ally info and make print screens and u will see that we r almost equal. bleah

Oh u had even less then 60 xD kk
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: Knock on July 12, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
Oh u had even less then 60 xD kk


your point ?
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Wake on July 12, 2008, 09:16:23 PM
Nice siege, I had fun. Gz to defenders.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jambas on July 12, 2008, 09:24:57 PM
Gratz to defenders...

unfortunatelyI didn't have fun i spent all day with huges lags  :-\

Any  one else or is just me needing a new pc? or a format in my actual pc ?
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: kingofchaos on July 12, 2008, 10:13:06 PM
Grtz to Temp... I log just in last 30 min and we had just 6 ppl in siege (many guys need work),
who was attcking? BH+FTR was?






Bad english rox
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Diver on July 12, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2194/shot00004vv1.th.jpg) (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot00004vv1.jpg) 49 ppl in first minute of siege.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Wake on July 12, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: Jambas on July 12, 2008, 09:24:57 PM
unfortunatelyI didn't have fun i spent all day with huges lags  :-\

Any  one else or is just me needing a new pc? or a format in my actual pc ?

Yeah I had huge lags too... And i know more ppl who did too.


@Diver did u count EB too?
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: jygh on July 12, 2008, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: Diver on July 12, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2194/shot00004vv1.th.jpg) (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot00004vv1.jpg) 49 ppl in first minute of siege.
buahahahahah retard count EB cuz they r the most active clan from your side
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
by "numbers" u mean like the number of Russians that rushed at Stalingrad's Assault in 1942 ? :P
Btw u rememmber second world war ? All simple as at l2 , Germans was more skilled , more quiped(really forget that word) , but russian zerg pwned them at Stalingrad :D
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
lol ok dude we were 1002 and u were 10 ppl. lol next time use ally info and make print screens and u will see that we r almost equal. bleah
ok ok all got u'r  point as you also have same number at baium .....Cmon May1a don't try to be r-tard bu stupid flames :D That sux really....
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 10:40:51 PM
Btw u rememmber second world war ? All simple as at l2 , Germans was more skilled , more quiped(really forget that word) , but russian zerg pwned them at Stalingrad :D

You are right, but then again - Do u know why CCCP could stand till these days ?  ;) 
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 11:16:17 PM
Quote from: Ondall on July 12, 2008, 10:57:56 PM
You are right, but then again - Do u know why CCCP could stand till these days ?  ;) 
Yeah i know coz i'm one of ex-CCCP :D
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: macris-0007 on July 12, 2008, 11:27:03 PM
70ppl at sieg oooo thats cute  ::) ....
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 10:46:45 PM
ok ok all got u'r  point as you also have same number at baium .....Cmon May1a don't try to be r-tard bu stupid flames :D That sux really....


ok dear,thnx for advice,the thing is that even if i try to be retard i cant be ,u dont even try and u are ^^

Peace !
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 11:31:16 PM

ok dear,thnx for advice,the thing is that even if i try to be retard i cant be ,u dont even try and u are ^^

Peace !
Such simple flame ? Really i thought that you older , my fault...
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 11:34:36 PM
Such simple flame ? Really i thought that you older , my fault...


Look at your post first then talk about flame.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 12, 2008, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 11:38:19 PM

Look at your post first then talk about flame.

to creat mine post  , first i look at your ...
Anyway i don' wonna to make flame topic so bb...
Falme me more i don't care .i.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 13, 2008, 01:10:11 AM
EB where 23 online at siege so we where about 70, now show us how many u where.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Knock on July 13, 2008, 03:16:31 AM
Quote from: macris-0007 on July 12, 2008, 11:27:03 PM
70ppl at sieg oooo thats cute  ::) ....

zerg powa :)))))
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: PainMaster on July 13, 2008, 11:04:07 AM
gf gz to defenders, cya next 2 weeks ;)

btw i love play on laptop  ;) <5 years old>
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jeri on July 13, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 13, 2008, 01:10:11 AM
EB where 23 online at siege so we where about 70, now show us how many u where.

Don't remember for sure, but ~25-30 from FTR and 3 from frostbite (getting up at 6 am is not possible ^^ ). Dont know about BH.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 13, 2008, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: Jeri on July 13, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Don't remember for sure, but ~25-30 from FTR and 3 from frostbite (getting up at 6 am is not possible ^^ ). Dont know about BH.

Most of us are in GMT+2 time zone, so for us is 16:00 not 6:00.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: darkling on July 13, 2008, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 12, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
Ye guys, next time i will say to clan/ally m8s: dont login for siege guys cos we r zergs ^^. Btw facts r these: Flowless was almost same number as us i am pretty sure about it and u can add comics with 3 parties i guess also add 1 party of meyham that kind of try to have some fun but now temp were the defenders not Marvels :>, and they got owned at first try. At this siege i can say u were all against us dunno why ^^. Maybe BH wants Aden rly bad to prove smth and they take with them all trashes :).


Noone blames you for high online, just the fact that you are so proud of yourselves, while in fact your "power" comes mostly from your pure numbers. And no, Flawless is not the same numbers as you are, you are usually way more than us (like last baium).

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5206/nowyobrazmapabitowa2mo9.jpg)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Mayia on July 13, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Us proud lol. Dude i only replay to your cries about us zerging u, where u see temp start saying we r pro, we pown, we r the best ? Only u crying like: we were better but u zerged as usualy, bleah waste of time with u.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 13, 2008, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: darkling on July 13, 2008, 01:27:14 PM

Noone blames you for high online, just the fact that you are so proud of yourselves, while in fact your "power" comes mostly from your pure numbers. And no, Flawless is not the same numbers as you are, you are usually way more than us (like last baium).

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5206/nowyobrazmapabitowa2mo9.jpg)

Well i don't like temp as well, but...look who's talking  :)  I admit that you (as an ally) are far more better enemies than temp is, but shame that you are starting to behave like this group...then again - seems like there isn't any other solution since they are such active "pr0's"
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: PvtStuka on July 13, 2008, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: Jeri on July 13, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Don't remember for sure, but ~25-30 from FTR and 3 from frostbite (getting up at 6 am is not possible ^^ ). Dont know about BH.

Let me help you with that.

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6858/shot00303am6.jpg)

This was our attacking army, everyone is on visual. Comics ally on one group at the right, FTR+scattered BH party on the left.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Sethpwnz on July 13, 2008, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Mayia on July 13, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Us proud lol. Dude i only replay to your cries about us zerging u, where u see temp start saying we r pro, we pown, we r the best ? Only u crying like: we were better but u zerged as usualy, bleah waste of time with u.
ROFL why in every post you say about crying ? only coz you have more ppl ? I thought thst you are more respecteble player...But i see that u are another one pathetic emo kid that talk only about cry ....STFU plz retard !
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: BlondySK on July 13, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ondall on July 13, 2008, 05:43:14 PM
Well i don't like temp as well, but...look who's talking  :)  I admit that you (as an ally) are far more better enemies than temp is, but shame that you are starting to behave like this group...then again - seems like there isn't any other solution since they are such active "pr0's"

you are not better then they
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Pawciu on July 14, 2008, 08:58:19 AM
gz gz gz Ben powa  ;D
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Ondall on July 14, 2008, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: BlondySK on July 13, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
you are not better then they

sure....if u say so  :)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: darkling on July 14, 2008, 10:39:29 AM
Quote from: Ondall on July 13, 2008, 05:43:14 PM
but shame that you are starting to behave like this group..

What you mean by that because I dont quite get it.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: scary on July 14, 2008, 11:40:39 AM
Well gz  for Temp...  in  every aden siege .. FB cant log cuz of their time ... and about Baium we keep toi 1h with 3 pt vs 7-8 pt.... see ya in next siege xd
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: scary on July 14, 2008, 11:40:39 AM
Well gz  for Temp...  in  every aden siege .. FB cant log cuz of their time ... and about Baium we keep toi 1h with 3 pt vs 7-8 pt.... see ya in next siege xd

U keep Baium for 1 hour cos we where in clan hall siege, when we where back u just kissed the grounds.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jeri on July 14, 2008, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: BlondySK on July 13, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
you are not better then they

Blondy :D how are you? What about Egypt?
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: scary on July 14, 2008, 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
U keep Baium for 1 hour cos we where in clan hall siege, when we where back u gust kissed the grounds.

we keep toi 14 1h when u trying to rush us but always failed ....
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: scary on July 14, 2008, 12:32:20 PM
we keep toi 14 1h when u trying to rush us but always failed ....

Yea keep dreming with that hour dude, friday 22:00 GMT+2 we had clan hall siege, at 21:30 is true u kicked our asses and we went directly to clan hall. when we came back at 22:30 u where the ones who go to village not us. So u had an great hour of victory staying alone and defending the vortex, big gz for that.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: BlondySK on July 14, 2008, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: Jeri on July 14, 2008, 11:59:29 AM
Blondy :D how are you? What about Egypt?

lool, egypt sux, im in italy, pm me with adress from drake :P
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Jeri on July 14, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: BlondySK on July 14, 2008, 01:21:09 PM
lool, egypt sux, im in italy, pm me with adress from drake :P

Iwill said you are in Egypt :o

Drake left Italy couse he found out that you are there  ;)
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: scary on July 14, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 12:35:21 PM
Yea keep dreming with that hour dude, friday 22:00 GMT+2 we had clan hall siege, at 21:30 is true u kicked our asses and we went directly to clan hall. when we came back at 22:30 u where the ones who go to village not us. So u had an great hour of victory staying alone and defending the vortex, big gz for that.

staying alone ? +100 frags from ur ally  lmao  for 1:30h specialy from EB fags suck like hell..
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
Quote from: scary on July 14, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
staying alone ? +100 frags from ur ally  lmao  for 1:30h specialy from EB fags suck like hell..

I will repeat myself, take some pils for brain dmg dude, or stop doping cos it aint good for yo.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: darkling on July 14, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
U keep Baium for 1 hour cos we where in clan hall siege, when we where back u just kissed the grounds.


You bet us after you came back, but anyways it took you quite some time when you compare the huge zerg you brought with yourself :Z 
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: darkling on July 14, 2008, 05:11:21 PM

You bet us after you came back, but anyways it took you quite some time when you compare the huge zerg you brought with yourself :Z 

Well i never sad u fight bad, in fact i am glad we have such good oponents to fight for baium, i just sad in that hour u wher near vortex we didnt camed at all cos we where in clan hall siege.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: darkling on July 14, 2008, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 05:55:35 PM
Well i never sad u fight bad, in fact i am glad we have such good oponents to fight for baium, i just sad in that hour u wher near vortex we didnt camed at all cos we where in clan hall siege.

Ok I got the point, lets drop this topic : P
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: jygh on July 14, 2008, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 05:55:35 PM
Well i never sad u fight bad, in fact i am glad we have such good oponents to fight for baium, i just sad in that hour u wher near vortex we didnt camed at all cos we where in clan hall siege.
you dont had more ppl to come so you was w8ing for more

bla bla bla you suck
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: jygh on July 14, 2008, 08:49:56 PM
you dont had more ppl to come so you was w8ing for more

bla bla bla you suck

Retard go check when is the siege for Fortress of the dead Clan Hall.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: scary on July 15, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 14, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
I will repeat myself, take some pils for brain dmg dude, or stop doping cos it aint good for yo.

translate plix ???
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 15, 2008, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: scary on July 15, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
translate plix ???

I could translate it in any langauage u want but i am preaty sure your monkey brain wouldent understand it.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: tzuc on July 15, 2008, 12:27:03 PM
weren't you like "best friends" a while ago ?  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 15, 2008, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: tzuc on July 15, 2008, 12:27:03 PM
weren't you like "best friends" a while ago ?  ;D  ;D  ;D

If u are refering to me and the brain damaged guy u are absolutly wrong, i know him only from his signiture but i dont think i ever sow him ingame.
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: scary on July 15, 2008, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 15, 2008, 11:30:53 AM
I could translate it in any langauage u

firts fix ur English then try to translate hoe ...  dont want  waste my time with kids ... go and cry
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: SirAlex on July 15, 2008, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: scary on July 15, 2008, 01:08:06 PM
firts fix ur English then try to translate hoe ...  dont want  waste my time with kids ... go and cry

Ufff i'm in tears, damn i fell terible, sorry i took the Baium, what am i goeing to do now???

Lol again u forgot your pils today?
Title: Re: Aden Siege 12.07.08
Post by: Wake on July 15, 2008, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: SirAlex on July 15, 2008, 01:17:18 PM
Ufff i'm in tears, damn i fell terible, sorry i took the Baium, what am i goeing to do now???

Lol again u forgot your pils today?


This siege is getting old, yet you're still barking about it?