What is better? ;D ;D
pr/pal will win at 1vs1 but anyways its ur choice ;)
IMO PR/PAL > HE/PAL, but HE/PAL is always good, if you don't have time to make retail and later mutant make HE :)
HE/PAL is better.
Quote from: IdarkI on July 19, 2009, 11:43:39 AM
pr/pal will win at 1vs1 but anyways its ur choice ;)
not, u never saw pvp like that so dont be so sure. I remember some time ago i have pvp with rebel at his pr/pal and i was he/pal. and I won all fights :P
HE/PAL, coz you can't get 85lvl on mutant :P
Quote from: Vegas on July 19, 2009, 02:45:36 PM
HE/PAL, coz you can't get 85lvl on mutant :P
Which skills PAL get at lvl 81+?
he/pal ;) ;)
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 19, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
Which skills PAL get at lvl 81+?
its about enchanting other skill + some of that forggoten scrols can bel learned at 81+ if im not wrong
Getting 80+ level helps, but it's not why HE/PAL is better than PR/PAL lol
It's a skill which HE has that PR does not.
Quote from: Furesy on July 19, 2009, 02:52:25 PM
Getting 80+ level helps, but it's not why HE/PAL is better than PR/PAL lol
It's a skill which HE has that PR does not.
Let me think,if it's not'bout new 80+ skills,the only skill from HE I'd like to have is Dash.
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 19, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
Let me think,if it's not'bout new 80+ skills,the only skill from HE I'd like to have is Dash.
It's a skill that like nobody uses from HE because they are to dumb and only know how press F1 and die.
I bet half the people that play a HE don't even know they have that skill.
Quote from: Furesy on July 19, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
It's a skill that like nobody uses from HE because they are to dumb and only know how press F1 and die.
I bet half the people that play a HE don't even know they have that skill.
let me gues, that shit for reuse? ha! :p
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 19, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
Let me think,if it's not'bout new 80+ skills,the only skill from HE I'd like to have is Dash.
dash
blessing of saggitarius (used to work great in IL, now dunno)
hawkeye
snipe
quiver of holding
no-mutant, for you high rate server this means alot
vs
deadeye
come on.......
Quote from: Furesy on July 19, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
It's a skill that like nobody uses from HE because they are to dumb and only know how press F1 and die.
I bet half the people that play a HE don't even know they have that skill.
Quote from: Sali on July 19, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
let me gues, that shit for reuse? ha! :p
Indeed,it's a nice skill,useful while using AI/UD/Vengeance/SoF
But,when I used to play HE/WK and later BD/PR I didn't miss any skill,apart from Dash,and that one to increases Accuracy (useful vs daggers).
Quote from: wildpussy on July 19, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
dash
blessing of saggitarius (used to work great in IL, now dunno)
hawkeye
snipe
quiver of holding
no-mutant, for you high rate server this means alot
vs
deadeye
come on.......
DeadEye used to rox,dunno nowadays with COP/WindStorm.
Quote from: wildpussy on July 19, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
dash
blessing of saggitarius (used to work great in IL, now dunno)
hawkeye
snipe
quiver of holding
no-mutant, for you high rate server this means alot
vs
deadeye
come on.......
who da fak is using that skill and what for? against mages pointes, against wariors decres ur p def givving some shity amount of acuracy, i prefer to put tatoos than use that skill
and its hard to make use of snipe when u pvp in terain, espiecialy when ur alone against many enemy bcos only kite can save uf ass
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 19, 2009, 03:12:06 PM
Indeed,it's a nice skill,useful while using AI/UD/Vengeance/SoF
ye now its good when we have improved buffs so its posible to find place for it, in il it was more like imposible to use it and dont get overbuff especialy at char like he/pal
Quote from: Sephiroth on July 19, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
Which skills PAL get at lvl 81+?
i'm talking not about skills, cause it's not so easy to get that scrools, i'm about bigger CP/HP/p.atk......all stats.
maybe i'm wrong, but with each lvl you get +stats ;D
Quote from: Sali on July 19, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
who da fak is using that skill and what for? against mages pointes, against wariors decres ur p def givving some shity amount of acuracy, i prefer to put tatoos than use that skill
and its hard to make use of snipe when u pvp in terain, espiecialy when ur alone against many enemy bcos only kite can save uf ass
hawkeye dont give shit accuracy, it gives a huge boost (+10 - the difference between wearing light or heavy), it's used to hit running daggers, lowers your pdef by 10%, which aint alot, also it's maybe enchantable
snipe have some uses, rare but still
and why dead eye is so important ? for bigger dmg and +3 accuracy you shoot slower and takes a buff slot, for a he/pal you'll need all the buff slots you can get, and pls dont tell me attack spd is useless, it's the biggest bull-shit of all :) yea, specialy low atk spd on paladin is great! who care of skill reuses
btw how are mutant archers shooting lvl 85 daggers with iMove? :)
Atk speed for archers wasn't needed in Interlude, now with the lol-icarus bows and all those lol-resists for archers and crit dmg, P atk and Crit dmg isn't the biggest deal for archers anymore.
Quote from: wildpussy on July 19, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
hawkeye dont give shit accuracy, it gives a huge boost (+10 - the difference between wearing light or heavy), it's used to hit running daggers, lowers your pdef by 10%, which aint alot, also it's maybe enchantable
snipe have some uses, rare but still
and why dead eye is so important ? for bigger dmg and +3 accuracy you shoot slower and takes a buff slot, for a he/pal you'll need all the buff slots you can get, and pls dont tell me attack spd is useless, it's the biggest bull-shit of all :) yea, specialy low atk spd on paladin is great! who care of skill reuses
btw how are mutant archers shooting lvl 85 daggers with iMove? :)
even w/o it daggers buffed for evasion are enought to miss on them a lot, and well thx for info that i can enchant hawkeye :P now ill make some use of it xD
Quote from: rezz on July 19, 2009, 03:31:38 PM
of course HE/PAL, most of reasons were mentioned by Fursey, I would just add that HE/PAL is able to get ai, tol 24/7 + can overrun most of chars while wearing light (267 speed afaik with cov).
not... ai have implemented some reuse time that cannot be faster no matter what buffs u have, i noticed it farming with ty/pal xD (i think its some nerf for ty/pal).
Quote from: Sali on July 19, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
not... ai have implemented some reuse time that cannot be faster no matter what buffs u have, i noticed it farming with ty/pal xD (i think its some nerf for ty/pal).
last time i tried, reuse was based on attack speed and reuse buffs (champ, renewal) for AI, and for frenzy/zealot - tried on glad/pal and ty/de
however there was something weird with zealot, i used fists, made frenzy, zealot, guts and somehow frenzy and guts have same reuse, altho guts was launched on a higher attack speed due zealot
however if you try to launch a skill on 0 atk spd buffs, and then on full atk spd setup, there is a huge differance
edit: on infinity, dont see why should be differant here
thx mates, now i have a pr/wk but ill make a he/pal ;D
Quote from: Cenarius on July 19, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
thx mates, now i have a pr/wk but ill make a he/pal ;D
Depending on ur gear,I'd rather create a dagger or archer.
After reading this thread, I decided to make a Hawk Eye next to my Phantom Ranger at the moment. ;D Goddamnit...
Quote from: wildpussy on July 19, 2009, 03:53:01 PM
last time i tried, reuse was based on attack speed and reuse buffs (champ, renewal) for AI, and for frenzy/zealot - tried on glad/pal and ty/de
however there was something weird with zealot, i used fists, made frenzy, zealot, guts and somehow frenzy and guts have same reuse, altho guts was launched on a higher attack speed due zealot
however if you try to launch a skill on 0 atk spd buffs, and then on full atk spd setup, there is a huge differance
edit: on infinity, dont see why should be differant here
some time ago i was able to run at ai all the time if i had songs, but now i need more 30-40 seconds till i can use it again, gear didnt changed so how to explain that?
Quote from: Sali on July 20, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
some time ago i was able to run at ai all the time if i had songs, but now i need more 30-40 seconds till i can use it again, gear didnt changed so how to explain that?
You're simply getting to old for this shit!
Quote from: Sali on July 20, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
some time ago i was able to run at ai all the time if i had songs, but now i need more 30-40 seconds till i can use it again, gear didnt changed so how to explain that?
becouse reuse is increased and now you need songs to have a decent reuse?
Quote from: wildpussy on July 20, 2009, 11:15:47 PM
becouse reuse is increased and now you need songs to have a decent reuse?
ok let me repeat. At same stuff, at same buffs( full buff) at begining of HB i was able to have ai 1 after 1, now at same buffs as b4 and same stuff i need 40 more seconds to have it rdy.
Quote from: Fure on July 20, 2009, 09:51:34 PM
You're simply getting to old for this shit!
:'(ok so ill make bb topic later
Quote from: Sali on July 19, 2009, 02:16:33 PM
not, u never saw pvp like that so dont be so sure. I remember some time ago i have pvp with rebel at his pr/pal and i was he/pal. and I won all fights :P
u won the fights coz u always got ai before me and i had fb clean not focus :D
Quote from: mark_elesse on July 21, 2009, 10:24:13 AM
wts excuses pm Rebel
"i was afk, riding the camel"? offer me.
Quote from: Diabolical on July 21, 2009, 12:20:05 AM
u won the fights coz u always got ai before me and i had fb clean not focus :D
Quote from: mark_elesse on July 21, 2009, 10:24:13 AM
wts excuses pm Rebel
xD anyway that mean he/pal>pr/pal :)
noobs .. him getting AI first means im stronger than him :D
Quote from: Diabolical on July 21, 2009, 05:11:45 PM
noobs .. him getting AI first means im stronger than him :D
Or means that he's more intelligent than u, cause he active it faster than u... ;)
Quote from: Diabolical on July 21, 2009, 05:11:45 PM
noobs .. him getting AI first means ...Quote from: Weezer on July 21, 2009, 05:38:59 PM
that he's more intelligent than u, cause he active it faster than u... ;)
thats the point
I want to make he/pal but i think ronoazoro is more usefull for my ally members XD is pr/wk no is really bad archer, but with pal im really strongest
eve > l2
prof :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU&hd=1
Archers with low hp sux for heal. Same with orcs...
There is nobetter char in that... things are advantages and disadvantages, but real diference is on the hand :P
dash nice one to make diference. this and much atkspeed make u win.
blessing of saggitarius (used to work great in IL, now dunno)
hawkeye (sux for pvp like this)
snipe (can be used on UD maybe)
quiver of holding ...
no-mutant, for you high rate server this means alot lvl diference seems to affect on HB so maybe this is huge.
vs
deadeye (makes ur atkspeed slow dont always the best)
always he/pa is better than pr/pa.
but need to know how to play... anyone can have some luck, lag, or bad day:P