does anyone else agree here that this attribute system is 1 bullshit, suddenly all dmg is somewhere x2 if not more and there's no way to defend against it
also i got no idea why f.e. A grades even exist now, changing from A grade to S grade +150 attribute enchantment (which is rather almost free to make) is something like changing from gun to rocket launcher... (who don't get, on A grade and lower you can't put attributes)
not to mention hero weapons r useless since f.e. an AS+3+attr150 deals WAY more damage than infinity stinger
and this is only 150 attribute attack, 450 is the max one, but it's no longer *free* (it's still not THAT hard to make)
i wouldn't say delete the attribute system but come on, the damage differances are just HUGE, i mean why people would complain about starwars, it's like everyone has weapons +50 now, only you don't see it
so imo modify the system to give reasonable smaller amount of bonuses or something ...
and ohhh whoever wanna tell me now put attributes in armor, pls stop bullshit, couse what you gain on armor is simply too small from what you get ++ on weapon
i can attribute whole armor set to to have 450 defense attribute on ONE type element
and what, opponent can just make 5 weapons, each with different attribute and double damage here we go... for oly should i make 6 armor sets and switch depending on opponent or wtf ?
10% boost on max lvl is more then enouugh mybe 20 ;
Quote from: RaV3NCLaW on January 03, 2010, 01:19:29 PM
10% boost on max lvl is more then enouugh mybe 20 ;
In officila on Gracia Final max attribute 300(was 150 max in HB what we have now) and when u not have defense against attribute 60% more dmg u get. But never exists 450 or more attribute, never exists jewels, energy stones. So what we have now this is bullshit. We cant make defence against mages cuz attribute on armors not workin. And who have max attribute now on weapon hit insane, this ruin all fun, better disable attribute on weapons now till whole not work well. No need to delete attributes just disable.
can anyone tell me why only infinity criers (every time same guys) come to complain about daggers? xD
yea this topic isnt about attributes its just a background for your new cry about daggers lol
Quote from: Torek [IF] on January 03, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
Cuz an avarage infinity player would be a legend in your server.
yea we got a whole bunch of such legends ehehe xD
It wouldn't suck if attribute p.def would work 100%. At the moment one armor with level 9 attribute gives 4% defence vs the corresponding element (and only works vs nukes, not melee hits). In my opinion 15% less damage per armor piece would be more appropiate.
Quote from: Torek [IF] on January 03, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
Cuz an avarage infinity player would be a legend in your server.
We play low rate server therefore we are hardcore pvpers!!!!111 lol
gtfo
all dn system sucks
-donate only "balanced (LOL)" equip
-40 restart/day
-bot parties farming chimeras 24/7 on hb without ban
-no gm
-bugs
-exploits
-50 chars playing from one pc
- "fixes" by drake
^^ that's dn :)
Quote from: Alex on January 03, 2010, 02:14:26 PM
can anyone tell me why only infinity criers (every time same guys) come to complain about daggers? xD
yea this topic isnt about attributes its just a background for your new cry about daggers lol
actualy wer all dagger players ourselfs xD if your a noob dagger its your problem not ours
Quote from: disc on January 03, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
all dn system sucks
-donate only "balanced (LOL)" equip
-40 restart/day
-bot parties farming chimeras 24/7 on hb without ban
-no gm
-bugs
-exploits
-50 chars playing from one pc
- "fixes" by drake
^^ that's dn :)
Nobody keeps u here... :-*
Quote from: SyD on January 03, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
In officila on Gracia Final max attribute 300(was 150 max in HB what we have now) and when u not have defense against attribute 60% more dmg u get. But never exists 450 or more attribute, never exists jewels, energy stones. So what we have now this is bullshit. We cant make defence against mages cuz attribute on armors not workin. And who have max attribute now on weapon hit insane, this ruin all fun, better disable attribute on weapons now till whole not work well. No need to delete attributes just disable.
true about max attributes values, but i didnt really noticed a difference between 150 and 450 :P. Anyway they should work a little bit more on that...
Quote from: RaV3NCLaW on January 03, 2010, 06:44:53 PM
actualy wer all dagger players ourselfs xD if your a noob dagger its your problem not ours
fo sho mate! "nerf im too strong!" xD
Quote from: wildpussy on January 03, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
does anyone else agree here that this attribute system is 1 bullshit, suddenly all dmg is somewhere x2 if not more and there's no way to defend against it
also i got no idea why f.e. A grades even exist now, changing from A grade to S grade +150 attribute enchantment (which is rather almost free to make) is something like changing from gun to rocket launcher... (who don't get, on A grade and lower you can't put attributes)
not to mention hero weapons r useless since f.e. an AS+3+attr150 deals WAY more damage than infinity stinger
and this is only 150 attribute attack, 450 is the max one, but it's no longer *free* (it's still not THAT hard to make)
i wouldn't say delete the attribute system but come on, the damage differances are just HUGE, i mean why people would complain about starwars, it's like everyone has weapons +50 now, only you don't see it
so imo modify the system to give reasonable smaller amount of bonuses or something ...
and ohhh whoever wanna tell me now put attributes in armor, pls stop bullshit, couse what you gain on armor is simply too small from what you get ++ on weapon
i can attribute whole armor set to to have 450 defense attribute on ONE type element
and what, opponent can just make 5 weapons, each with different attribute and double damage here we go... for oly should i make 6 armor sets and switch depending on opponent or wtf ?
And thats why.. my friend... i dont like chronicles after Interlude... and thats why.. I dont have any solid server to play atm anymore. Cause if you dont have 83 lvl S80+ set S80+ weapon with maxed out attrib, you are pure looser.
So that's why i've been getting hit so much lately.... Reckon i gotta get me some of them stones
Quote from: LadyZENITH on January 03, 2010, 08:17:53 PMCause if you dont have 83 lvl S80+ set S80+ weapon with maxed out attrib, you are pure looser.
On dn it's much more true with "balanced" Dnet sets, and icarus weapons.
I still say, the best was the c4 (some ppl say c3 but i didn't played that times :( ), no attribute shits, no invulnerable skills, no more ch bosses to camp, no more farming after s grade... now every chronicle is a big farm event (il go to dino farm life stones, hb go to hb farm attribute stones xp for lvl 6564554 skills, farm dynasty, just endless farming).
Quote from: disc on January 04, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
On dn it's much more true with "balanced" Dnet sets, and icarus weapons.
I still say, the best was the c4 (some ppl say c3 but i didn't played that times :( ), no attribute shits, no invulnerable skills, no more ch bosses to camp, no more farming after s grade... now every chronicle is a big farm event (il go to dino farm life stones, hb go to hb farm attribute stones xp for lvl 6564554 skills, farm dynasty, just endless farming).
Soon u will be legendary cryer. Things change, world too... If u not like better go.
He is not the cryer ihm C4 was the best. Im only surprised that this thread is new, aka here on DN attribs were not working till now?
And before making complains, all should have readed what it means before shouting We want hellbound, we want hellbound!
I do bloody tell you, best was C4, and interlude was ok also. But everything since kamael only make the game a shit. I don't say there is not anything good, but they always add like 2 good things and 8 another things that ruin the game.
In hellbound difference between S weapon and S weapon with proper attrib corresponding with skill, is 70% in damage. That is only 150 atrib, on Gracia and such the cap is nowdays.... 450? If Im not wrong?.... really nice.
Quote from: LadyZENITH on January 05, 2010, 01:59:13 AM
He is not the cryer ihm C4 was the best. Im only surprised that this thread is new, aka here on DN attribs were not working till now?
And before making complains, all should have readed what it means before shouting We want hellbound, we want hellbound!
I do bloody tell you, best was C4, and interlude was ok also. But everything since kamael only make the game a shit. I don't say there is not anything good, but they always add like 2 good things and 8 another things that ruin the game.
In hellbound difference between S weapon and S weapon with proper attrib corresponding with skill, is 70% in damage. That is only 150 atrib, on Gracia and such the cap is nowdays.... 450? If Im not wrong?.... really nice.
Hb isnt so bad man, many new things added, changing gameplay a bit. Ofc if its without bugs and all working. So give it a chance maybe;p
Quote from: WscieklyWaz on January 05, 2010, 02:18:04 AM
Hb isnt so bad man, many new things added, changing gameplay a bit. Ofc if its without bugs and all working. So give it a chance maybe;p
I would have give it a chance if all people were not looking like clones (you know there is only one S80 armor and as a bonus all heavy, light and robe looking very similar) to each other and everyone without S80 armor and maxed out attrib was a poor loser. Its pathetic cause S weapon with 150 attrib without SA is better then A weapon +16 with SA. Like somebody told already. C = pistol. B = bigger pistol, A = riffle S = sniper riffle, S+ attribs = freaking tactic nuclear weapon.
in fact c4+ chronicles aint so bad at all since u have to focus on one char in order to be effective. augments, lvl 85, enchanting made it quite hard to have several chars (farm, pvp, oly..) boosted to the top and roll in every single category (opposite of c4) :)
if everything would be implented with some thoughs before, it would be just fine :)
Quote from: SyD on January 04, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
Soon u will be legendary cryer. Things change, world too... If u not like better go.
Yes things should change in better way... but here this isn't happening. And you should play wow, there you can farm for ages ;) cuz as i see you like it. But l2 WAS a pvp based game (until hb and maybe il).
Ofc some ppl like the donator shits (what came with il and hb), cuz with those they can feel they are pros against the ppl without these (so they compensate their lack of skills with those "balanced (lol)" equipment, it's like wh-ing in fps multiplayers).
BTW more and more new servers start with C4! Guess why? Cuz it was maybe the best?
Quote from: Kikolina on January 05, 2010, 01:50:22 PM
in fact c4+ chronicles aint so bad at all since u have to focus on one char in order to be effective.
focus? maybe farm...
Where are the bs pvps, where are the varka pvps? Now there are no pvp spots like this. The only pvp's happening on bosses (farm), and on farmzones like hb(farm again).
Quote from: disc on January 05, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
focus? maybe farm...
Where are the bs pvps, where are the varka pvps? Now there are no pvp spots like this. The only pvp's happening on bosses (farm), and on farmzones like hb(farm again).
lol
and what were BS, varka/ketra in c4?
those were FARM zones (now they are, but most old players making new chars pass these zones now)
since IL we got more zones, high lvl players moved to them, this is why pvp moves to those zones
About current Attr system: it sux cause class based (skill based) atribut system part is not active. Dagger blowes, ty/glad skills, elemental defence buffs don't work in the system. 450+ attribute values came from nowhere (gracia?)
Quote from: disc on January 05, 2010, 03:28:58 PM
Yes things should change in better way... but here this isn't happening. And you should play wow, there you can farm for ages ;) cuz as i see you like it. But l2 WAS a pvp based game (until hb and maybe il).
Ofc some ppl like the donator shits (what came with il and hb), cuz with those they can feel they are pros against the ppl without these (so they compensate their lack of skills with those "balanced (lol)" equipment, it's like wh-ing in fps multiplayers).
BTW more and more new servers start with C4! Guess why? Cuz it was maybe the best?
I farm only when necessary other time pvp, clan things etc. so ur wrong. I made my equips from farm ofc, im not that rich in RL. Just look our pvps and u will see this DN set and Icarus weapons no kill fun on high lvl.
Quote from: Torek [IF] on January 05, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
u play in a high rate server for this reason u don't farm at all
Still, even you are already old on a server, all here are. But have you guys tried to start somewhere aka 0 adena no equip lvl 1 char? I did on frintezza server a while ago, rates 10.. i was asking, hmm istnt that too high for me? And after 4 months of non stop grinding an exping I was so pissed off that i better left it. Cause it was only a one big agrind. Considering that from lvl 78 to 79, you need the same number of exp like from whole game 1-78. To lvl 80 the same exp as 1-79, etc, etc. It made me totally sick. Hearing heroes that play 12 hours a had shout 81 finally. While I never met them cause they were only farming HB isle for those attrib stones and nothing more. They only came for baium Antharas valakas, most of the times they did not care even about sieges aka for me the best thing in L2, cause sieges did not gave them more overechannts, more stones, more eqip. Oly was unplayable. All heroes were from feeding. You see somebody who can lose to you, just a slight chance? He disconnects. Fights only when its certain victory, maybe even then not, cause when they go to feed they are not fight-ready.
About those weapon and armor attrib. If you are a lvl 78 mage with A grades, a mage with S80 and attrib defence matching your attack, will outcppout you. And about exping over 79, heh, lets call it funny. I remember when I was playin on . (IL server with HB skills) I made it to 79 and that was end. On 79 i was around 15% and couldnt get higher and that I wasnt any pvp hyperactive I had a freaking prophet. So HB... really... not nice thing to play. Maybe if the made it the way like till 78 5x rates, 79 10x, 80 15x, 91 20x.. etc... at least for exp and SP.
Quote from: SyD on January 05, 2010, 04:03:20 PM
I farm only when necessary other time pvp, clan things etc. so ur wrong. I made my equips from farm ofc, im not that rich in RL. Just look our pvps and u will see this DN set and Icarus weapons no kill fun on high lvl.
:DDDD ofc it don't kill the fun... for ppl who have have all and can own easilly. But for ppl who want challenge without negative handicap, and who don't have those (who don't want to bot, or steal from accs, or farm as a nolifer), it kills all fun.
Or you wanna say, the dnet sets(+656456% bonus for 8 attributes) or icarus spitter(aka ak47) is balanced? Then i don't know why don't have the icarus spitter normal atk speed, and why not have ANY + attributes armor such as dnet on official or on the 99% of other cracked servers? Maybe bcuz they're unbalanced as hell...
And btw dragon is a high rate server, there is much easier to farm everything than infinity, so its not the same.
http://www.lineage2.com/news/hellbound_02.html
Quote
Servitors
An attribute system that allows the summoners to transfer their attribute abilities to the servitor has been added. This only applies to Warlocks, Phantom Summoners, and Elemental Summoners and their associated third class.
When the summoner equips a weapon with an attribute that corresponds with that of the servitor, 80% of the corresponding attribute value automatically applies to the servitor.
The attribute value only applies to the servitor's attacks power, not to its defense power.
When the summoner receives an item grade penalty, the attribute system does not apply on their pets.
When the attribute of the equipped weapon does not correspond with that of the servitor, the attribute system does not apply.
doesn't work, tested on wind pony (mirage the unicorn)
Quote from: disc on January 05, 2010, 03:28:58 PM
Yes things should change in better way... but here this isn't happening. And you should play wow, there you can farm for ages ;) cuz as i see you like it. But l2 WAS a pvp based game (until hb and maybe il).
Ofc some ppl like the donator shits (what came with il and hb), cuz with those they can feel they are pros against the ppl without these (so they compensate their lack of skills with those "balanced (lol)" equipment, it's like wh-ing in fps multiplayers).
BTW more and more new servers start with C4! Guess why? Cuz it was maybe the best?
dude, pure bullshit, l2 was always a farm based game, its one of those mmorpg where u need to farm xxxxxxxxxxxx years to go for pvp, just private server changed face of this game :P
Ofc L2 was always farm based game, if not like go play with FPS or RTS. U need to do a lot things for good equips. In normal server(not exist) u need to go with clan, friends to farm parts etc. I remember old times when a thousand of ppl were in catacombs shouting LFP for farm stones. But everything changed in official servers too cuz L2 will be more pvp oriented when new chronicles comin. Vitality system, Paliaka etc. Here we still have something like modded C4. ;D Tons of bugs not workin things etc. But this is a free private server, cuz need a lot of modify and extra things for make profit. U have an option to play here for free but need money for servers and everything what u see here need money. So really we need donate system. Someone wanna donate others farm u can chose. Or can make trades for money, coins.
Quote from: disc on January 03, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
all dn system sucks
-donate only "balanced (LOL)" equip
-40 restart/day
-bot parties farming chimeras 24/7 on hb without ban
-no gm
-bugs
-exploits
-50 chars playing from one pc
- "fixes" by drake
^^ that's dn :)
I'm so happy I left DN, LOL.
atrib system in dragon servers really sux.wil be better if removed.totaly removed.it makes the already strong shars, stronger and the weak chars, weaker.as a result, 1 pt of those chars in hands of totaly retarded kids, ruin the whole server.remove it asap.within 2 months only a handfull of ubersuperoverenchanted icarus will remain in server.
disable its good idea