well it goes like this: once i turn it on and get attacked its stage of charge goes directly to stage 2 w/o passing by stage 1(which is the most useful of them 3 ...).i tested it for a while and during the testing i noticed something,one of the times the skill went to the bottom of my buff bar,which could mean that it got activated,but in the same time there wasnt a small "1" in its right-high corner.
and also i didnt notice any difference in dmg once it was at stage 2,which is supposed to add +20 wind atk.
http://dnwiki.dragon-community.net/index.php/Talk:Shillien_Templar#Pain_of_Shillien
Pain of Shillien
Increases Critical Damage, increases Wind-type attack, and bestows Vampiric effect depending on the stage increase.
Stage 1: Critical damage +20%
Stage 2: Wind atk +20
Stage 3: Vampiric Rage effect +8%
ps: at least it does give a vr effect
pss: there's also a chance that it could be just some lame graphic bug or w/e,but its confusing...
Quote from: Endorama on January 05, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
well it goes like this: once i turn it on and get attacked its stage of charge goes directly to stage 2 w/o passing by stage 1(which is the most useful of them 3 ...).i tested it for a while and during the testing i noticed something,one of the times the skill went to the bottom of my buff bar,which could mean that it got activated,but in the same time there wasnt a small "1" in its right-high corner.
and also i didnt notice any difference in dmg once it was at stage 2,which is supposed to add +20 wind atk.
http://dnwiki.dragon-community.net/index.php/Talk:Shillien_Templar#Pain_of_Shillien
Pain of Shillien
Increases Critical Damage, increases Wind-type attack, and bestows Vampiric effect depending on the stage increase.
Stage 1: Critical damage +20%
Stage 2: Wind atk +20
Stage 3: Vampiric Rage effect +8%
ps: at least it does give a vr effect
pss: there's also a chance that it could be just some lame graphic bug or w/e,but its confusing...
i can be wrong, never tested also but there is some pal skill that should have charges, but it dosnt, u need 2 charges to use flame icon, in past u could use it w/o any charge, but now u cant use it at all also ur not geting any charges in time to activate it so... seems all that kind of skills are bugged
Quote from: Endorama on January 05, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
well it goes like this: once i turn it on and get attacked its stage of charge goes directly to stage 2 w/o passing by stage 1(which is the most useful of them 3 ...).i tested it for a while and during the testing i noticed something,one of the times the skill went to the bottom of my buff bar,which could mean that it got activated,but in the same time there wasnt a small "1" in its right-high corner.
and also i didnt notice any difference in dmg once it was at stage 2,which is supposed to add +20 wind atk.
http://dnwiki.dragon-community.net/index.php/Talk:Shillien_Templar#Pain_of_Shillien
Pain of Shillien
Increases Critical Damage, increases Wind-type attack, and bestows Vampiric effect depending on the stage increase.
Stage 1: Critical damage +20%
Stage 2: Wind atk +20
Stage 3: Vampiric Rage effect +8%
ps: at least it does give a vr effect
pss: there's also a chance that it could be just some lame graphic bug or w/e,but its confusing...
+1 i already tested this skill on Animanera's char... BlackHotSoul.. isnt working well...
PS: Track u should rlly take a look on Some fs... Like this!...
So Bump!
Quote from: Sali on January 05, 2010, 01:23:03 AM
i can be wrong, never tested also but there is some pal skill that should have charges, but it dosnt, u need 2 charges to use flame icon, in past u could use it w/o any charge, but now u cant use it at all also ur not geting any charges in time to activate it so... seems all that kind of skills are bugged
Tested this today, It activating properly but the bonuses given are near useless. Infact i'd say that an empty buffslot is more valuable than this skill.
normally .. the stages are .. "stacking". you start at
stage 1: crit dmg 20%
stage 2: crit dmg 20% + 20 to wind attack
stage 3: vr + crit + 20 to wind
i've played a TK on retail on few occasions and it has blessing of eva, when attacked it increases stage
1. +mdef
2. mdef / crit and water attack
3. forgot xD cause i always wait for 3 to do touch of eva (party TOL)
Quote from: tzuc on January 05, 2010, 08:40:05 AM
normally .. the stages are .. "stacking". you start at
stage 1: crit dmg 20%
stage 2: crit dmg 20% + 20 to wind attack
stage 3: vr + crit + 20 to wind
i've played a TK on retail on few occasions and it has blessing of eva, when attacked it increases stage
1. +mdef
2. mdef / crit and water attack
3. forgot xD cause i always wait for 3 to do touch of eva (party TOL)
well basically i would be happy if i can such an effect from stage 3,but every cuntass mage will say its OP...
Quote from: Endorama on January 05, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
well it goes like this: once i turn it on and get attacked its stage of charge goes directly to stage 2 w/o passing by stage 1(which is the most useful of them 3 ...).i tested it for a while and during the testing i noticed something,one of the times the skill went to the bottom of my buff bar,which could mean that it got activated,but in the same time there wasnt a small "1" in its right-high corner.
and also i didnt notice any difference in dmg once it was at stage 2,which is supposed to add +20 wind atk.
http://dnwiki.dragon-community.net/index.php/Talk:Shillien_Templar#Pain_of_Shillien
Pain of Shillien
Increases Critical Damage, increases Wind-type attack, and bestows Vampiric effect depending on the stage increase.
Stage 1: Critical damage +20%
Stage 2: Wind atk +20
Stage 3: Vampiric Rage effect +8%
ps: at least it does give a vr effect
pss: there's also a chance that it could be just some lame graphic bug or w/e,but its confusing...
Actually it does stage to lvl 1, just there is no "1" on buff icon. Test it when you're staging POS. After first time skill description changes to "crit dmg increases". Anyway it DOES NOT increase crit dmg or wind attribute (tested already on my char), also very important SK skill Touch of Shilien does not work correctly - It doesn't cancel buffs at all (it supposed to be mass cancel).
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 05, 2010, 10:13:47 AM
Actually it does stage to lvl 1, just there is no "1" on buff icon. Test it when you're staging POS. After first time skill description changes to "crit dmg increases". Anyway it DOES NOT increase crit dmg or wind attribute (tested already on my char), also very important SK skill Touch of Shilien does not work correctly - It doesn't cancel buffs at all (it supposed to be mass cancel).
well as i mentioned above,i kinda noticed that it must activate or something,since it went as last buff on my buff bar (was like the 2nd before moving down).but 1 thing is sure,it doesnt add crit dmg and wind dmg.
about TOS.i also noticed there's something wrong,but havent tested it yet.
+1 for the add
well as for as i know how it works (how it does on the server i'm playin now)
U activate the skill, u got xxx ammount of secs for it to load to stage 2 (1st stage u don't see a '1' in the buff ;p) and at 3rd stage u can use spirit of shillen. It aint possible there to use SoS on any other stage's (could be wrong there but well it's gracia final...).
And i thought effects of SoS were better then what ya guys said ;o.
Quote from: FadeAway on January 06, 2010, 09:30:57 AM
well as for as i know how it works (how it does on the server i'm playin now)
U activate the skill, u got xxx ammount of secs for it to load to stage 2 (1st stage u don't see a '1' in the buff ;p) and at 3rd stage u can use spirit of shillen. It aint possible there to use SoS on any other stage's (could be wrong there but well it's gracia final...).
And i thought effects of SoS were better then what ya guys said ;o.
SoS?there's touch of shillien but i havent heard of spirit of shillien :s
Quote from: Endorama on January 06, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
SoS?there's touch of shillien but i havent heard of spirit of shillien :s
weird it's called touch of shillen here... could be a HB thingy (my bad if it's a HB feature since im used to gracia final).
What i ment: http://lineage2.rochand.com/Knowledge/race_darkelf.php?my_class=dark_elf_shillien_templar
at lvl 83. Aint that what ur meaning?
Quote from: FadeAway on January 06, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
weird it's called touch of shillen here... could be a HB thingy (my bad if it's a HB feature since im used to gracia final).
What i ment: http://lineage2.rochand.com/Knowledge/race_darkelf.php?my_class=dark_elf_shillien_templar
at lvl 83. Aint that what ur meaning?
nope.TOS is a mass cancel skill.and about the link paladins have that shit and its called flame icon. :S
i guess that site is a quite weird source
ps: the icon of the skill is the same,but its far different than the stuff we r talkin about.
Quote from: Endorama on January 06, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
nope.TOS is a mass cancel skill.and about the link paladins have that shit and its called flame icon. :S
i guess that site is a quite weird source
ps: the icon of the skill is the same,but its far different than the stuff we r talkin about.
well the link is Gracia final wich could be the difference. But the site is 100% right for sure.
Bit unclear for me now.
Quote from: FadeAway on January 06, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
well the link is Gracia final wich could be the difference. But the site is 100% right for sure.
Bit unclear for me now.
Quote from: www.lineage2.com
Touch of Shilen has been changed to Spirit of Shilen, and the skill's effect has been changed from a debuff type to a buff type.
The Touch of Death skill has been changed. A player's HP no longer has to be at 75% or lower to cast. In addition, the HP cost has been lowered while the success rate has been increased.
http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_05.html
Waiting for Track answer
BTW : WE WANT MASS CANCEL!! :D
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 06, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: FadeAway on January 06, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
well the link is Gracia final wich could be the difference. But the site is 100% right for sure.
Bit unclear for me now.
Quote from: www.lineage2.com
Touch of Shilen has been changed to Spirit of Shilen, and the skill's effect has been changed from a debuff type to a buff type.
The Touch of Death skill has been changed. A player's HP no longer has to be at 75% or lower to cast. In addition, the HP cost has been lowered while the success rate has been increased.
http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_05.html
Waiting for Track answer
BTW : WE WANT MASS CANCEL!! :D
BUMP! :D
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 07, 2010, 10:22:47 PM
http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_05.html
Waiting for Track answer
BTW : WE WANT MASS CANCEL!! :D
BUMP! :D
Still waiting for answer ;P
wtf is wrong with that skill now?! its 1min duration,none staging no nothing.LOL
ps : LOL for freak sake tos appears on buffs?!WTF?!
Track an answer would be freakin appreciated!
Quote from: Endorama on January 13, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
wtf is wrong with that skill now?! its 1min duration,none staging no nothing.LOL
ps : LOL for freak sake tos appears on buffs?!WTF?!
Track an answer would be freakin appreciated!
its staging, but staging activates by mage dmg - it was like 1 hour ago
Quote from: Marinella on January 13, 2010, 11:38:08 PM
its staging, but staging activates by mage dmg - it was like 1 hour ago
i dunno about what activates it,but w/e it is,there's no point since it lasts for 1 min ....
Quote from: Endorama on January 13, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
wtf is wrong with that skill now?! its 1min duration,none staging no nothing.LOL
ps : LOL for freak sake tos appears on buffs?!WTF?!
Track an answer would be freakin appreciated!
POS tested <by me>, and it seems to;
Stage with about 10% chance per each hit (chance might be lower but not higher for sure)
buff last 1 min, while it last you have to stage it to 1st stage:
1st stage last 20 sec, it gives crit dmg now!! During this 20 sec you have to stage it to lvl2:
stage 2 last 40 sec, it gives wind attribute + crit dmg, while it you have to stage it to stage 3:
stage 3 is like stage 2 + 8% vr effect, last 1 min, you can use Touch of shilien while effect last:
Touch of shilien is mass cancel now, but it is cancelling caster buffs too, also TOS debuff land on caster (i'm not sure about caster's alliance players), it is cancelling pretty well... but fock, who wanna cancel himself? Fix it please, it seems to be bugged.
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 14, 2010, 12:38:22 AM
POS tested <by me>, and it seems to;
Stage with about 10% chance per each hit (chance might be lower but not higher for sure)
buff last 1 min, while it last you have to stage it to 1st stage:
1st stage last 20 sec, it gives crit dmg now!! During this 20 sec you have to stage it to lvl2:
stage 2 last 40 sec, it gives wind attribute + crit dmg, while it you have to stage it to stage 3:
stage 3 is like stage 2 + 8% vr effect, last 1 min, you can use Touch of shilien while effect last:
Touch of shilien is mass cancel now, but it is cancelling caster buffs too, also TOS debuff land on caster (i'm not sure about caster's alliance players), it is cancelling pretty well... but fock, who wanna cancel himself? Fix it please, it seems to be bugged.
i am concerned about the duration,every hb/gracia server that i've played had this thing for at least 5mins.1 min seems kinda not right to me,also that self canceling is ftl!
Quote from: Endorama on January 14, 2010, 09:47:21 AM
i am concerned about the duration,every hb/gracia server that i've played had this thing for at least 5mins.1 min seems kinda not right to me,also that self canceling is ftl!
Well, i hope selfcancel will be fixed and POS duration will be changed. It's not skill like zealot, which give 100% crit dmg and 30% attack speed or frenzy with 450% p attack. it won't make any char OP, and atm (with these staging conditions) it's useless since it's IMPOSSIBLE to stage it on normal pvp (except when you're hitten by 10 other chars but then you die in 5 sec :D). As always waiting for Track answer :P
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 14, 2010, 02:33:03 PM
Well, i hope selfcancel will be fixed and POS duration will be changed. It's not skill like zealot, which give 100% crit dmg and 30% attack speed or frenzy with 450% p attack. it won't make any char OP, and atm (with these staging conditions) it's useless since it's IMPOSSIBLE to stage it on normal pvp (except when you're hitten by 10 other chars but then you die in 5 sec :D). As always waiting for Track answer :P
Same goes for Spirit of Phenix / Evas Will, and most propably Seed of Revenge. For 1 min. max stage in my tests was lvl 1 (3 pps was hitting me with bare fists :P) and any another stage was again 59 sec, for next reuse of skills I need to wait about 10-12 min. Insane and unplayable. If there will be no fix in reuse (from like 10 to 5 min.) or dutarion of effect (5 min. would be fair too) its totally useless skill and huge waste of coins :(
seed of revenge too and when reach lvl 3 i cant use insane crusher skill
Quote from: WujekDobraRada on January 14, 2010, 02:33:03 PM
Well, i hope selfcancel will be fixed and POS duration will be changed. It's not skill like zealot, which give 100% crit dmg and 30% attack speed or frenzy with 450% p attack. it won't make any char OP, and atm (with these staging conditions) it's useless since it's IMPOSSIBLE to stage it on normal pvp (except when you're hitten by 10 other chars but then you die in 5 sec :D). As always waiting for Track answer :P
i hope we'll get any answer from track...i just want to know did i spend my coins for nothing...
what about re-use delay ?
In official, base re-use of PoS (magic skill) is 60 seconds in HB. Set if your casting speed is 333.33, actual re-use is
60(base re-use)*333.33(modifier)/333.33(casting speed) = 60 seconds
Base re-use of ToS (I never seen a SpS charging effect after usage of ToS and also re-use is shorter when with higher a.speed so I believe it's physical skill in official) is 600 seconds (with 1000 a.speed, 200 seconds re-use.)
Btw, SK has 337 c.speed with acumen 3 + wit 3 dye so it's almost "perma" effect.
About skill behavior, it lasts 1 min and when it gets to stage 1, the trigger buff PoS stage 1 is activated and it over-writes PoS. When it gets to stage 2, PoS stage 2 over-writes stage 1 and so on.
Each step has 20 seconds duration and PoS stage 3 remains even when ToS is used (in official ofc.)
All bonuses stacks along with the stage raised (same goes on SoR/SoP/E.Will).
Quote from: fini@wiki on January 14, 2010, 07:28:03 PM
what about re-use delay ?
In official, base re-use of PoS (magic skill) is 60 seconds in HB. Set if your casting speed is 333.33, actual re-use is
60(base re-use)*333.33(modifier)/333.33(casting speed) = 60 seconds
Base re-use of ToS (I never seen a SpS charging effect after usage of ToS and also re-use is shorter when with higher a.speed so I believe it's physical skill in official) is 600 seconds (with 1000 a.speed, 200 seconds re-use.)
Btw, SK has 337 c.speed with acumen 3 + wit 3 dye so it's almost "perma" effect.
About skill behavior, it lasts 1 min and when it gets to stage 1, the trigger buff PoS stage 1 is activated and it over-writes PoS. When it gets to stage 2, PoS stage 2 over-writes stage 1 and so on.
Each step has 20 seconds duration and PoS stage 3 remains even when ToS is used (in official ofc.)
All bonuses stacks along with the stage raised (same goes on SoR/SoP/E.Will).
i aint sure thats a hb feature of the skill
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1486/bumpr.jpg)
Quote from: ataman on January 15, 2010, 07:18:37 PM
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1486/bumpr.jpg)
Any fresh news / answers from GM / skill changes about Seed of Revenge / Eva Will / Pain of Shillen / Spirit of Phenix ?
pain of Shilien /eva will/spirit of phoenix/etc works as they should work.
Maybe skill reuse is longer here. But skills works as they should.
Quote from: BanThemAll on January 16, 2010, 10:10:36 PM
pain of Shilien /eva will/spirit of phoenix/etc works as they should work.
Maybe skill reuse is longer here. But skills works as they should.
so topic usless?
Quote from: TrackZero on January 17, 2010, 12:19:06 AM
so topic usless?
I think so :D (im talking about skill itself not the bonus it gives)
mby they are angry coz they didnt know how the skill should work and buy it anyway ;D
Quote from: BanThemAll on January 17, 2010, 01:16:49 AM
I think so :D (im talking about skill itself not the bonus it gives)
mby they are angry coz they didnt know how the skill should work and buy it anyway ;D
Ok man, seems yo're not smart enough to read that topic was made before skills was fixed (back then POS last 20 min and gave only vr effect, TOS had only CP debuff effect). Also i'd like to add that Touch of shilien SHOULDN'T cancel caster buffs. Anyway it would be nice if every stage last time would be doubled (as i wrote in other topic it's rllly hard to stage it even with train of mobs on ur ass). Cu and FU for wannabesmartass :)
Well, reuse of SoP seems to be too big. Its even bigger than party AI reuse (quite funny). Basic lvl 0 gives absolute nothing and need to be staged in 59 sec. Sometimes its hard to stage it even for 1 lvl. Then u must wait for about ~14 min. (on self buff) for next one. Come on - my enchanted UD / Venegance has lower reuse time :)
About effects of SoP seems to be working - at 1st +pdef, at second - resists for dark/fire elements (dunno if working, effect is only for 59 sec and gives no info at attributes table) at third, hard to obtain - +30% heal rate (tested with sacrefice on self - takes about 1,500 HP gives about +500 HP more - so, works for me)
Quote from: TrackZero on January 17, 2010, 12:19:06 AM
so topic usless?
ha!?! u freakin want to tell me,my topic was useless after not responding to it for freakin 12 days?!n/c.i guess this kind of attitude keeps many old peeps away from this shit hole.
lol why i even bother wasting my time on this piece of crap.since it still doesnt work as it should,but yea my topic is useless.
ps: a lil hint : the skill's reuse is quite less than the last i've seen.
+1
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BUMP
BUMP + be ready for new reports about POS/TOS bugs (as i've seen there's something wrong with TOS using conditions, i'll give more details soon)
Quote from: Endorama on January 18, 2010, 03:27:49 PM
ha!?! u freakin want to tell me,my topic was useless after not responding to it for freakin 12 days?!n/c.i guess this kind of attitude keeps many old peeps away from this shit hole.
lol why i even bother wasting my time on this piece of crap.since it still doesnt work as it should,but yea my topic is useless.
ps: a lil hint : the skill's reuse is quite less than the last i've seen.
Dont be a total waste please, i dont say is usless but some say is not working and some say is working, so can u stop spamming and just write whats wrong with it and what should be fixed i dont have time to read 10 pages of bumps.
Dear Track: while you are in the rush with skills rework on NM and author of this topic seemed to lost his hope/patience about it, I would like to last recall this goddamn topic...
All stage based skills from 83 lvl tank classes are active magic skills (SoP, PoS, SoD, EW) based at cast rate. W/o buffs we have like ~230 cast, and every this skill has more like 15 min. of reuse. With 59 sec of dutarion and low chance to upstage to another 1-3 lvl each for 59 sec. makes this skill a total waste of time, buff and coins spend on it.
Possible solutions:
1) Resetup skill from active magic to passive magic skill with same low stage of every lvl effect to up (thats makes point when triggers it for 59 sec for every stage).
2) Resetup skill from active magic to normal active skill dependent on a.speed / song of champion with decrased reuse time incrased duration of effect (5 min. of duration / 5 min. of reuse would be quite fair) and a bit incrased chance to upstage lvl of effect.
3) I dont know... maybe some one will figure it out with better ideas :)
For now its main case. Im not talking about bugged effects - beacuse some works, some not as they should, some totally not... but now I cant even test it cause of troubles with reuse / fail stages etc.etc.
Im hopefully waiting for any GM responce.
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